@@darrylelam256 I wonder when the illogical assumption that random, unintended, uncontrolled processes lead to thinking, functioning beings like ourselves will be debunked? Oh yeah never, because you've thrown your own logic and absence of empirical evidence of such occurring out the window to justify your blind faith
@@goblinmooth And I wonder when people like you will stop with the strawman arguments against processes that you clearly don't understand. Evolution is in no way random. Please learn what evolution is before making claims that only show your lack of knowledge.
@@darrylelam256 Where and when did I mention evolution is random? Evolution explains survival and not arrival. One would expect someone holding atheistic views to be aware of this. Random processes involving rocks and gas collisions before the existence of living conscious beings don't lead to life. Now before you reject consciousness go read the immense amount of work done on it. There has to be a necessary existent. Answer this: what caused the existence of the universe? It began. There's testable evidence for it. Look it up. Why does everything you see have a cause but yet you deny basic physics and logic to conclude the beginning of uniberse didn't have one? Grasping for straws really. Constants of the universe don't have to be the way they are, it's chance. They could've been different. Look it up. Multiverse? Not only is this theory(no evidence for it) rejected by most scientists but answer this: out of infinite universes, how many have an Earth like us except there are no mosquitoes in it? Answer: infinite. How many of these have mosquitoes in it? Infinite. So all of the universes have mosquitoes and at the same time don't have them? Objectively, try watching this video: czcams.com/video/Ecxc2uU2sBI/video.html . Think about yourself for a second. Drive away from worldly things for a few seconds and consider YOU as an individual, not species. What in the hell are YOU doing here on Earth? Does it not make you wonder? Are you just gonna leave YOUR (individual) existence to chance? If you're objective and unbiased, you'd give the very existence of Islam an honest consideration. 1.5B Muslims from a religion just 1500 yrs ago that started by an illiterate man in an Arabian desert? A religion based on what? Poetry in the form of the "Quran"? There has to be more. You won't stop your research on it based on discovering something you subjectively despise and can't understand. Then, you'll realize the truth. Beginning with:- science in the Quran: mountains having roots, underwater waves, unique fingerprints, darkness at the depths of the ocean, male sperm determines gender, elaborate embryology, iron from meteorites, ancient Egyptian things, life from water, plants having genders, harder to breathe as you go higher in the sky, protective ozone layer and I can go on and on. What is your explanation for these? Muhammad had Greek and Egyptian contacts? Wrong, he didn't. Even if he did, these cultures got many things wrong too. So he had contact AND got everything correct? Come on. Also remember, Quran is the literal word of what the prophet said passed down since one and a half millenia. And guess what, Allah mentions that He'll preserve the Quran in the Quran. Today, you'll find tens of different bibles and versions, but only one Quran ANYWHERE in the world. But this'll just be coincidence to you. So let me go on: It's not just science. There's a lot more to the Quran. It's a linguistic miracle from an illiterate prophet. Look up the historical implications of this, not modern. Arabs used to literally worship their poetry back then. It used to hung on the ka'ba in mecca. Then when the prophet started reciting Quran, what did they do? Make fun of his 'poetry'? No. They called it magic! Because it way surpassed what their best poets could conjure. The linguistic miracle of the Quran still stands today. You need to understand what the challenge entails. So don't go looking for laymen on CZcams refuting the literary challenge of the Quran. If you're interested, I can help you out. Moving on: Look up the mathematical miracles of Quran. Yes, heaven and hell are mentioned the same amount of times and many other things too. But I'm referring to actual Mathematical code. Look up the CZcams channel Binimad ateeqi. Lastly, I also have compelling evidence against materialism in the form of jinns and witchcraft in Islam. If you respond, I'll gladly provide. Just a request, please 'like' this comment so I get a notification. You can unlike it later.
@@goblinmooth "Where and when did I mention evolution is random?" Here when you said (I wonder when the illogical assumption that random, unintended, uncontrolled processes) You fail to understand that its not random. "Random processes involving rocks and gas collisions before the existence of living conscious beings don't lead to life." Now you aren't even talking about evolution anymore, its a completely different set of processes that are *NOT* random. "Answer this: what caused the existence of the universe?" Now you are moving the goal post and trying to shove god into a gap in our knowledge. "Why does everything you see have a cause but yet you deny basic physics and logic to conclude the beginning of uniberse didn't have one?" When did I say the universe didn't have a cause? Ow right never. "Constants of the universe don't have to be the way they are, it's chance." Says who? We have but one universe to look at, so we have no idea if they can be different. Nor can we say is some different set of constants can produce a working universe. "Multiverse? Not only is this theory" Correct, its a hypothesis and its at lest has mathematically possible. Which is more then any god claim. "Drive away from worldly things for a few seconds and consider YOU as an individual, not species." So if you aren't super special than nothing matters? Nice to see you coming right out that you don't care about truth and only want to believe what feels good. "1.5B Muslims from a religion just 1500 yrs ago that started by an illiterate man in an Arabian desert?" An argument from popularity really? Then why aren't you a christian after all there are more christians? The man was blood thirsty warlord, he passed his beliefs onto others. "A religion based on what?" You do realize that Islam is based on christianity which was based on judaism which was greatly influence by Zoroastrianism. Try to research your religion a little. "science in the Quran:" There is no science in the Quran that wasn't already known to the people of that day. "mountains having roots" False, the Quran does not claim that the mountains have roots. It calls them (as pegs) and that they were placed to keep the earth from shaking. This was written by people that did not know mountains are created by the movement of the earth. "elaborate embryology" Yet everything that he wrote was already known for hundreds of year and its still wrong. "iron from meteorites" LOL Which was known since the beginning of the iron age, its where early man first got there iron. "life from water" LMAO it doesn't take much to understand that without water you die, it only takes about 3 days. "harder to breathe as you go higher in the sky" Are you going to claim that mountains didn't exist? Because you just need to climb a mountain to figure this out. "protective ozone layer" Its doesn't talk about an ozone layer, its talking about the non-existence firmament. I solid dome that is like molten glass. "Muhammad had Greek and Egyptian contacts?" Why would he need to? Other people can spread these things and books still existed back then. "Today, you'll find tens of different bibles and versions, but only one Quran ANYWHERE in the world. But this'll just be coincidence to you." LOL not at all, if fact they tried this with the bible after the bible was already written, its nothing more then people learning from past failures and working reasons for people not to change the Quran into the Quran. "Then when the prophet started reciting Quran, what did they do? Make fun of his 'poetry'? No. They called it magic!" They were making fun of it by calling it magic. Like I make fun of it by calling it magic, because that's all you have is magic. What you fail to understand is that every religion makes those claims, yet they can never provide *EVIDENCE!* "The linguistic miracle of the Quran still stands today." LOL its all a matter of opinion and you fools are of the opinion that your shit don't stink. "Lastly, I also have compelling evidence against materialism in the form of jinns and witchcraft in Islam." So you have actual evidence of magic, or is it nothing more than you not understanding even more crap? All you did was rant on about long disproved nonsense. Your pedophile warlord con-man couldn't even get the name of god right. He failed to understand that the jews held their reverence and did not speak it aloud, so when he heard the jews referring to their god he mistakenly thought that was the name of god.
Very solid argument and very well explained. I hope other duaat use this in their dawah discussions, i for one will try and use this on the streets/online! Insha'Allah
@@lewis72 says Lewis who utters the most ridiculous statement in Paul's community post. Go ahead and keep denying and deflect. See how this all ends Lewis Also since you are an atheist and morality is subjective I porpose that we throw you in the ocean where you can fend off yourself?
Brother Hamza please let me know how I can contact you, you are a major inspiration for me and I feel it necessary for you to approach many great thinkers in our time and to converse with them as honestly as you do. People like you, muhammed hijab, suboor ahmed and others have a huge obligation to engage with people like Sam Harris, Dawkins, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro and other critics such as Majid Nawaz. It is the only way we can move forward to propagate the truth of Islam in the world and how we can bring Muslims into the 21st century to compete intellectually and change our image.
Wow who is this guy??? He made lots of rational arguments. I’m definitely looking into Islam. I never thought muslims hard a strong foundation for their beliefs.
Ask them if they believe in a flying giraffe with a beak. They will probably say no, then ask them to find out what a Quetzalcoatlus is. I'm not making a comparison with Buraq by the way.
@@Edward-bm7vw And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace. Quran 25:63 may allah guide you to the right path brother
I would like to quote Professor Richard Swinburne. He is a philosopher and has lectured for a number of years at Oxford University as well as authoring academic books on philosophy. Now Professor Swinburn is a believer in God. This is what he wrote in 2009. I quote "" All explanations consist in trying to find something simple and ultimate on which everything else depends. And I think that by rational inference what we can get to that's simple and ultimate is God. BUT IT'S NOT LOGICALLY NECESSARY THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GOD. THE SUPPOSITION "" THERE IS NO GOD"" CONTAINS NO CONTRADICTION. End of quote. (Highlighting mine) If God is not logically necessary, can we say for certain that a necessary being exists?
Hi Hamza, I enjoy your lecture and debates. You make good points however, I still have big questions in my mind. How do we know that the necessary and independent thing outside of our universe is God and not something else? Isn't God himself an infinite regress by existing for eternity?
And also, we know that the cause is a personal being and not an impersonal being or and abstract object because of the fact that causes are of two natures either natural either personal. All the natural causes began to exist therefore they cannot have caused the Universe when they didn't exist. It therefore must be a personal being who choosed to create the Universe. And also we know that the being is personal because of morality, which can only be prescribe by personal beings.
Its simple, ask yourself this question: who decides what happens in the next minute or second? Must there not be a Controller or Onlooker or Causer who is independent of what happens in that next moment?
@@mehlesultan As an agnostic, I am inclined to go along with Albert Einstein. " The idea of a personnel God is an anthropomorphical concept which I am unable to take serioudly".
That's such a ridiculous and common misconception. Saint Thomas Aquinas literally took most of his arguments from the Muslims. He's teaching what Ibn Sina started, and what Muslim scholars then improved.
MashAllah what a great explanation and in detail if we have to argue with an atheist but I'd like to say this - it is impossible for something to be eternal (without beginning and end) and not to be necessary. How can we say necessary must be eternal and something eternal (without beginning and end) doesn't need to be necessary? Isn't it contradiction with common sense and all arguments which are presented here. Why we simply can't reply to those who say that universe is eternal by saying that: only necessary being can be eternal (without beginning and end). We muslims believe that Hell and Paradise are forever but after Allah created them, but only Allah is Eternal - without beginning and end. I understand that you also believe that only Necessary being is Eternal and you don't believe that something from creation can be without beginning and end (eternal) because that is Kufr but agreeing for the sake of argument is absolutely unnecessarily. If someone from the atheist says that universe is eternal than this can be answered by saying that something which is built of parts is dependent and bcs of that can't be Eternal. I hope you understand what I want to say.
Let me answer your confusion. Something neccessary has to be eternal, but something eternal does not have to be neccesary. Something can exist eternally by the support of something else, so being eternal doesn't entail being neccesary. As for eternal life in heaven or hell, that is what we call post eternality, meaning something continues to live forever, or something stretches out to eternity, it does not mean that thing has existed for eternity. Something made of parts can be eternal if those parts have eternally depended on something else, but something made of parts cannot be independent because whatever is made of its parts depends on those parts being arranged in a specific manner to exist in its current form.
you start by establishing what needs to be proven. Why go further than "the universe is independent and eternal"? Why add something infinitely more complex? "the universe needs an explanation" Then so does god, but now youve got an infinitely more complex thing to explain.
And, let's go further. We have examined a great many things. We have asked a great many questions. And the pattern shows that for EVERY investigation we have answered, in the entire course of humanity, absolutely NO answers were supernatural in nature. So if you want to use patterns, history and reason, then you have to dismiss god.
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ Really, god created logic? Firstly, you would have to PROVE that claim. You are entirely unable to even define god. But don't you think that if god CREATED logic, then it would be perfect? Logic isn't perfect. Goedel aptly demonstrated that. Nice set of fails there.
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ I never said that the problems with logic show that god doesn't exist. So you didn't define god at all, you merely described self-refuting properties. You literally disproved god right there. Is god all powerful? Is god all-knowing? If god is all-knowing then god cannot be all-powerful. In fact every person is more capable than god. I can, for instance, HONESTLY say there are things I cannot do and there are things I do not know -- a god cannot honestly say such a thing. I can also stack a bunch of boxes that weigh SO much that I cannot lift it. An all-powerful god could never do that. That's why modern apologists never use the all-power (omnipotence) and all-knowing (omniscience) claims any more. If god knows everything then god knows everything he will ever do in the future. God can NOT do anything that he doesn't know he'd already do. So god "knowing" everything destroys his own free-will and the concept of free-will in general. This was covered about 400 years with divine-foreknowledge precludes free-will.
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ Ah, yeah that 'god can do but chooses not to' was destroyed literally back in the 1700s. It's the apologist 'god can do anything in his nature" argument.. god cannot, for instance, make a pile so big he cannot lift it. It's not that god would never choose to make something so big -- that's not a logical refutation, that's not even a rational challenge to 'can god do it'. Thanks for proving my point.
I am an agnostic. How can you prove a timeless, spaceless, invisible, immaterial non detectable reality called God exists? What is the difference between such a God and a non existent God?
@@charlievaughan1308 I would like the rephrase that from necessary essence to necessary existence. Apologies for that So a necessary existence is independent (self sufficient if you would like) and cannot be conceived in any other way and is eternal by nature I'm sure that is clearly stated in the video above
@@shuush875 I would like to reply. Let me first of all, state I am not an atheist I am an agnostic. I do not see sufficient evidence to believe in the Abrahamic God. I was brought up Catholic. One of the criticism I would make of Hamza's talk is the lack of questions from his audience. He is preaching to the choir and such people are easy to convince. I know this from personal experience as I was brought up Catholic. Another thing, Hamza is basically recycling arguments from medieval philosophy. Listening to Hamza, I feel I am listening medieval Thomastic Catholic philosophy on the contingency argument. I don't think mode rn philosophers with science degrees, I.e. Physics, Astronomy, would agree with the views Hamza has expressed in this video. Being able to define something, doesn't actually mean it exists. This I feel is a common mistake Theists make. The whole idea of a " necessary non contingent existence" is really just a matter of special pleading. Theists claim that the universe can't possibly existed " forever, because their brains can't handle the concept of true infinities and then assert the existence of whatever whatever deity they have been indoctrinated into as children. I would now like to subdivide my reply as my computer is not working properly. I will be back in a mo.
I understand the universe and all that we perceive depends on something independent. But what is the explanation that relate that independent thing to God? Why the independent thing is God?
this is why many Islamic scholars disregarded and critiqued Ibn sina (Avicenna's) arguments. Belief in God must be arisen or improved by looking at His signs. Look at yourself. YOU as an individual. Do you really believe an aimless process that started 13.8Billion years ago can lead to YOUR existence. I'm talking about you, not the human species, not life in general. What is your purpose here? And why did the world begin to exist? Asking the 'why' is what separates us from animals. Quran has the answers you're looking for. If one seeks to put the effort objectively and unbiased - he will always arrive to the truth.
this is a common question: the logical answer is that we have to know the attributes of this independent 'thing'. By detention that independent this is eternal, immaterial, and self-sufficient since its independent, then we see the thing that is dependant and we can logically infer that an all-powerful thing must have started this, then we can sense a will since the cosmos is or are contingent thus its a possible existence so it may have not existed so this shows a will to create a possible thing. You can even take a step and say that the qualities of the creation can reflect the qualities of the creator in a limited fashion (ex: a swiss watch reflects from its quilty that the swiss watchmaker is skilled) by that logic if we see mercy in human, for example, this 'can' (not certainly) that this creator is merciful.. etc.. In the end it comes down to revelation to be certain of the attributes of that independent being. Peace!
A common way to bridge the gap between Necessary Being and God is - you need the Necessary Being to be a Volitional Agent, i.e. to have will. See vids 10 and 11 from this playlist. They explain what I said pretty good. czcams.com/play/PL4mTEQpP9b5FBA1EtS22ev2Zm_KWEMfpE.html
It has to be God because whatever has parts depends upon those parts being arranged in a specific way to exist in its current form. So the independent being has to have no parts. That makes it immaterial and spaceless. It needs to have no beginning because whatever begins to exist requires an explanation. So it must exist outside of time, as to have no beginning. So a timeless spaceless immaterial entity on whom all things depend. Sounds to me like God. As surah Ikhlas says, "Say He is Allah, the One. Allah, *The Eternal, besought of All (meaning Independent)*
Why can someone not say that the universe has to necessarily be arranged in the way it is? Taking a deterministic approach and saying due to the internal nature of the universe itself (which is the necessary existence), it has to he arranged in the way it is right now. All of us and everything within the universe are contingent upon the universe itself.
By the definition of dependency universe has specific arrangement hence universe is dependent if it is dependent then universe is not necessary so we will need a independent explaination which cannot be universe it self (bcoz universe is dependent) , have I answered your question ?
Anything with parts cannot be the independent neccesary being because it depends on those parts being arranged in a specific way to exist in its current form. Since all matter and space has parts a neccesary being by definition would have to immaterial and spaceless.
It's really quite simple. Nothing comes by its own self. There is always a creator/causer/originator. Rocks and gas colliding - for billions or trillions of years - don't lead to complex life. Never. Unless, there is a causer that causes them. Even the randomness and aimlessness of the moving rocks and gas has to be accounted for. Think about that for a second. We are so involved in the worldly life - food, money, sex and entertainment that we bypass basic logic and sense. Which is why you see children and really old people (not senile) be firm believers in some form of Creator.czcams.com/video/0mrbJ7Jm9u4/video.html
RMD Online How the universe has begun is the only question that stops your nonsense words, science like a baby now, because that question still ALIVE after thousands of years.
This is more then enough to convince someone with brains.
Alhumdulillah Iam a Muslim but now rationally convinced.
Love from Pakistan ❤️
Such an old debunked argument should be thrown out with last week's trash. You wouldn't convince anyone that has heard this crap.
@@darrylelam256 I wonder when the illogical assumption that random, unintended, uncontrolled processes lead to thinking, functioning beings like ourselves will be debunked? Oh yeah never, because you've thrown your own logic and absence of empirical evidence of such occurring out the window to justify your blind faith
@@goblinmooth And I wonder when people like you will stop with the strawman arguments against processes that you clearly don't understand. Evolution is in no way random. Please learn what evolution is before making claims that only show your lack of knowledge.
@@darrylelam256 Where and when did I mention evolution is random? Evolution explains survival and not arrival. One would expect someone holding atheistic views to be aware of this. Random processes involving rocks and gas collisions before the existence of living conscious beings don't lead to life. Now before you reject consciousness go read the immense amount of work done on it. There has to be a necessary existent. Answer this: what caused the existence of the universe? It began. There's testable evidence for it. Look it up. Why does everything you see have a cause but yet you deny basic physics and logic to conclude the beginning of uniberse didn't have one? Grasping for straws really. Constants of the universe don't have to be the way they are, it's chance. They could've been different. Look it up. Multiverse? Not only is this theory(no evidence for it) rejected by most scientists but answer this: out of infinite universes, how many have an Earth like us except there are no mosquitoes in it? Answer: infinite. How many of these have mosquitoes in it? Infinite. So all of the universes have mosquitoes and at the same time don't have them? Objectively, try watching this video: czcams.com/video/Ecxc2uU2sBI/video.html . Think about yourself for a second. Drive away from worldly things for a few seconds and consider YOU as an individual, not species. What in the hell are YOU doing here on Earth? Does it not make you wonder? Are you just gonna leave YOUR (individual) existence to chance?
If you're objective and unbiased, you'd give the very existence of Islam an honest consideration. 1.5B Muslims from a religion just 1500 yrs ago that started by an illiterate man in an Arabian desert? A religion based on what? Poetry in the form of the "Quran"? There has to be more. You won't stop your research on it based on discovering something you subjectively despise and can't understand. Then, you'll realize the truth. Beginning with:- science in the Quran: mountains having roots, underwater waves, unique fingerprints, darkness at the depths of the ocean, male sperm determines gender, elaborate embryology, iron from meteorites, ancient Egyptian things, life from water, plants having genders, harder to breathe as you go higher in the sky, protective ozone layer and I can go on and on. What is your explanation for these? Muhammad had Greek and Egyptian contacts? Wrong, he didn't. Even if he did, these cultures got many things wrong too. So he had contact AND got everything correct? Come on. Also remember, Quran is the literal word of what the prophet said passed down since one and a half millenia. And guess what, Allah mentions that He'll preserve the Quran in the Quran. Today, you'll find tens of different bibles and versions, but only one Quran ANYWHERE in the world. But this'll just be coincidence to you. So let me go on:
It's not just science. There's a lot more to the Quran. It's a linguistic miracle from an illiterate prophet. Look up the historical implications of this, not modern. Arabs used to literally worship their poetry back then. It used to hung on the ka'ba in mecca. Then when the prophet started reciting Quran, what did they do? Make fun of his 'poetry'? No. They called it magic! Because it way surpassed what their best poets could conjure. The linguistic miracle of the Quran still stands today. You need to understand what the challenge entails. So don't go looking for laymen on CZcams refuting the literary challenge of the Quran. If you're interested, I can help you out. Moving on:
Look up the mathematical miracles of Quran. Yes, heaven and hell are mentioned the same amount of times and many other things too. But I'm referring to actual Mathematical code. Look up the CZcams channel Binimad ateeqi.
Lastly, I also have compelling evidence against materialism in the form of jinns and witchcraft in Islam. If you respond, I'll gladly provide. Just a request, please 'like' this comment so I get a notification. You can unlike it later.
@@goblinmooth "Where and when did I mention evolution is random?" Here when you said (I wonder when the illogical assumption that random, unintended, uncontrolled processes) You fail to understand that its not random.
"Random processes involving rocks and gas collisions before the existence of living conscious beings don't lead to life." Now you aren't even talking about evolution anymore, its a completely different set of processes that are *NOT* random.
"Answer this: what caused the existence of the universe?" Now you are moving the goal post and trying to shove god into a gap in our knowledge.
"Why does everything you see have a cause but yet you deny basic physics and logic to conclude the beginning of uniberse didn't have one?" When did I say the universe didn't have a cause? Ow right never.
"Constants of the universe don't have to be the way they are, it's chance." Says who? We have but one universe to look at, so we have no idea if they can be different. Nor can we say is some different set of constants can produce a working universe.
"Multiverse? Not only is this theory" Correct, its a hypothesis and its at lest has mathematically possible. Which is more then any god claim.
"Drive away from worldly things for a few seconds and consider YOU as an individual, not species." So if you aren't super special than nothing matters? Nice to see you coming right out that you don't care about truth and only want to believe what feels good.
"1.5B Muslims from a religion just 1500 yrs ago that started by an illiterate man in an Arabian desert?" An argument from popularity really? Then why aren't you a christian after all there are more christians? The man was blood thirsty warlord, he passed his beliefs onto others.
"A religion based on what?" You do realize that Islam is based on christianity which was based on judaism which was greatly influence by Zoroastrianism. Try to research your religion a little.
"science in the Quran:" There is no science in the Quran that wasn't already known to the people of that day.
"mountains having roots" False, the Quran does not claim that the mountains have roots. It calls them (as pegs) and that they were placed to keep the earth from shaking. This was written by people that did not know mountains are created by the movement of the earth.
"elaborate embryology" Yet everything that he wrote was already known for hundreds of year and its still wrong.
"iron from meteorites" LOL Which was known since the beginning of the iron age, its where early man first got there iron.
"life from water" LMAO it doesn't take much to understand that without water you die, it only takes about 3 days.
"harder to breathe as you go higher in the sky" Are you going to claim that mountains didn't exist? Because you just need to climb a mountain to figure this out.
"protective ozone layer" Its doesn't talk about an ozone layer, its talking about the non-existence firmament. I solid dome that is like molten glass.
"Muhammad had Greek and Egyptian contacts?" Why would he need to? Other people can spread these things and books still existed back then.
"Today, you'll find tens of different bibles and versions, but only one Quran ANYWHERE in the world. But this'll just be coincidence to you." LOL not at all, if fact they tried this with the bible after the bible was already written, its nothing more then people learning from past failures and working reasons for people not to change the Quran into the Quran.
"Then when the prophet started reciting Quran, what did they do? Make fun of his 'poetry'? No. They called it magic!" They were making fun of it by calling it magic. Like I make fun of it by calling it magic, because that's all you have is magic. What you fail to understand is that every religion makes those claims, yet they can never provide *EVIDENCE!*
"The linguistic miracle of the Quran still stands today." LOL its all a matter of opinion and you fools are of the opinion that your shit don't stink.
"Lastly, I also have compelling evidence against materialism in the form of jinns and witchcraft in Islam." So you have actual evidence of magic, or is it nothing more than you not understanding even more crap?
All you did was rant on about long disproved nonsense. Your pedophile warlord con-man couldn't even get the name of god right. He failed to understand that the jews held their reverence and did not speak it aloud, so when he heard the jews referring to their god he mistakenly thought that was the name of god.
You have knowledge, and a great character. Keep up the good work. We will always be behind you!
Very solid argument and very well explained. I hope other duaat use this in their dawah discussions, i for one will try and use this on the streets/online! Insha'Allah
It's really lame if you think about it for a while.
@@lewis72 says Lewis who utters the most ridiculous statement in Paul's community post. Go ahead and keep denying and deflect. See how this all ends Lewis
Also since you are an atheist and morality is subjective I porpose that we throw you in the ocean where you can fend off yourself?
Can you help me. Finding some parts difficult to understand?
Brother Hamza please let me know how I can contact you, you are a major inspiration for me and I feel it necessary for you to approach many great thinkers in our time and to converse with them as honestly as you do. People like you, muhammed hijab, suboor ahmed and others have a huge obligation to engage with people like Sam Harris, Dawkins, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro and other critics such as Majid Nawaz. It is the only way we can move forward to propagate the truth of Islam in the world and how we can bring Muslims into the 21st century to compete intellectually and change our image.
Wow who is this guy??? He made lots of rational arguments. I’m definitely looking into Islam. I never thought muslims hard a strong foundation for their beliefs.
Hamza tzortiz
He's a greek, so he knows well about aristoteles, plato and the gang.
its taken from Ibn Sina or Avecinna, a heavy weight scholar in Islamic Academics.
Amazing that so many people are fooled by this lame argument.
Come to Christ not that weirdo pedo
Athiests be saying this argument is debunked and when asked how:
"So you believe in a flying donkey?"
Ask them if they believe in a flying giraffe with a beak. They will probably say no, then ask them to find out what a Quetzalcoatlus is. I'm not making a comparison with Buraq by the way.
Before talking to them about buraq see if they are intelligent enough to have to accept if a necessary being(god/Allah) exist
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ Indeed bro
Jazak Allah Khair Wa Ahsanal Jaza ... ❤️
Ma Sha Allah brother, you're amazing. Really enlightening and i pray Allah blesses. More videos like this please!
Amazing
Love your work, thank you! :)
dang .. I'd enroll for this type of faculty if there was one ... like science and philosophy through the islamic lenses ...it's soooooo awesome
You'd be learning a lot of pseudoscience via the use of logical fallacies
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And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace. Quran 25:63
may allah guide you to the right path brother
@@PercentPulse What exactly does this prove? Some random verse from a fairy tale shows nothing
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plz make full video f ur book THE DIVINE REALITY
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Is my mind dependent though because it's not made up of limited physical qualities? But it did need something to bring rise to it
I would like to quote Professor Richard Swinburne. He is a philosopher and has lectured for a number of years at Oxford University as well as authoring academic books on philosophy.
Now Professor Swinburn is a believer in God.
This is what he wrote in 2009. I quote "" All explanations consist in trying to find something simple and ultimate on which everything else depends. And I think that by rational inference what we can get to that's simple and ultimate is God. BUT IT'S NOT LOGICALLY NECESSARY THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GOD. THE SUPPOSITION "" THERE IS NO GOD""
CONTAINS NO CONTRADICTION. End of quote. (Highlighting mine)
If God is not logically necessary, can we say for certain that a necessary being exists?
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Where can i find these 4 definition of the word dependency?
In the book The Divine Reality by Hamza
@@faridmuslim7778 May Allah bless you brother. Thank you.
Hi Hamza, I enjoy your lecture and debates. You make good points however, I still have big questions in my mind. How do we know that the necessary and independent thing outside of our universe is God and not something else? Isn't God himself an infinite regress by existing for eternity?
No because God is not a serie of causal events in the past but an uncaused being. I hope i've answered your question brother.
And also, we know that the cause is a personal being and not an impersonal being or and abstract object because of the fact that causes are of two natures either natural either personal. All the natural causes began to exist therefore they cannot have caused the Universe when they didn't exist. It therefore must be a personal being who choosed to create the Universe. And also we know that the being is personal because of morality, which can only be prescribe by personal beings.
Its simple, ask yourself this question: who decides what happens in the next minute or second? Must there not be a Controller or Onlooker or Causer who is independent of what happens in that next moment?
@@mehlesultan As an agnostic, I am inclined to go along with Albert Einstein.
" The idea of a personnel God is an anthropomorphical concept which
I am unable to take serioudly".
@@charlievaughan1308 are you related to Michael? you have same surname.
It's kind of wholesome to see Muslims teach Aquinas, a catholic saint.
That's such a ridiculous and common misconception. Saint Thomas Aquinas literally took most of his arguments from the Muslims. He's teaching what Ibn Sina started, and what Muslim scholars then improved.
I need to reference.
oh boy it's awesome but donno how I could explain this to someone
Im v.proud of u ..ur wife must be so lucky
MashAllah what a great explanation and in detail if we have to argue with an atheist but I'd like to say this - it is impossible for something to be eternal (without beginning and end) and not to be necessary. How can we say necessary must be eternal and something eternal (without beginning and end) doesn't need to be necessary? Isn't it contradiction with common sense and all arguments which are presented here. Why we simply can't reply to those who say that universe is eternal by saying that: only necessary being can be eternal (without beginning and end). We muslims believe that Hell and Paradise are forever but after Allah created them, but only Allah is Eternal - without beginning and end. I understand that you also believe that only Necessary being is Eternal and you don't believe that something from creation can be without beginning and end (eternal) because that is Kufr but agreeing for the sake of argument is absolutely unnecessarily. If someone from the atheist says that universe is eternal than this can be answered by saying that something which is built of parts is dependent and bcs of that can't be Eternal. I hope you understand what I want to say.
Let me answer your confusion. Something neccessary has to be eternal, but something eternal does not have to be neccesary. Something can exist eternally by the support of something else, so being eternal doesn't entail being neccesary. As for eternal life in heaven or hell, that is what we call post eternality, meaning something continues to live forever, or something stretches out to eternity, it does not mean that thing has existed for eternity. Something made of parts can be eternal if those parts have eternally depended on something else, but something made of parts cannot be independent because whatever is made of its parts depends on those parts being arranged in a specific manner to exist in its current form.
I wish you translate your videos :(
To arabic
do you have Arabs who debate in Arabic with atheists?
you start by establishing what needs to be proven. Why go further than "the universe is independent and eternal"? Why add something infinitely more complex?
"the universe needs an explanation" Then so does god, but now youve got an infinitely more complex thing to explain.
And, let's go further.
We have examined a great many things. We have asked a great many questions.
And the pattern shows that for EVERY investigation we have answered, in the entire course of humanity, absolutely NO answers were supernatural in nature.
So if you want to use patterns, history and reason, then you have to dismiss god.
Do you want people to dismiss Creator of those observed patterns, history and reason?
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ Really, god created logic? Firstly, you would have to PROVE that claim. You are entirely unable to even define god.
But don't you think that if god CREATED logic, then it would be perfect? Logic isn't perfect. Goedel aptly demonstrated that.
Nice set of fails there.
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ I never said that the problems with logic show that god doesn't exist.
So you didn't define god at all, you merely described self-refuting properties. You literally disproved god right there.
Is god all powerful? Is god all-knowing?
If god is all-knowing then god cannot be all-powerful. In fact every person is more capable than god. I can, for instance, HONESTLY say there are things I cannot do and there are things I do not know -- a god cannot honestly say such a thing. I can also stack a bunch of boxes that weigh SO much that I cannot lift it. An all-powerful god could never do that.
That's why modern apologists never use the all-power (omnipotence) and all-knowing (omniscience) claims any more.
If god knows everything then god knows everything he will ever do in the future. God can NOT do anything that he doesn't know he'd already do. So god "knowing" everything destroys his own free-will and the concept of free-will in general.
This was covered about 400 years with divine-foreknowledge precludes free-will.
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ Ah, yeah that 'god can do but chooses not to' was destroyed literally back in the 1700s.
It's the apologist 'god can do anything in his nature" argument.. god cannot, for instance, make a pile so big he cannot lift it. It's not that god would never choose to make something so big -- that's not a logical refutation, that's not even a rational challenge to 'can god do it'.
Thanks for proving my point.
@@PhrontDoorThe description is in the Qur'an. The exact: Independent and Eternal are of the 99 Names of Allah.
Having faith is good but having a rational way to explain your faith is even better. How are we going to prove to non-Muslims that Islam is the truth
I am an agnostic. How can you prove a timeless, spaceless, invisible, immaterial non detectable reality called God exists? What is the difference between such a God and a non existent God?
@@charlievaughan1308 To start do you agree that the there is a necessary essence
@@shuush875 What is your definition of " necessary essence"?
@@charlievaughan1308 I would like the rephrase that from necessary essence to necessary existence. Apologies for that
So a necessary existence is independent (self sufficient if you would like) and cannot be conceived in any other way and is eternal by nature
I'm sure that is clearly stated in the video above
@@shuush875 I would like to reply. Let me first of all, state I am not an atheist I am an agnostic. I do not see sufficient evidence to believe in the Abrahamic God. I was brought up Catholic.
One of the criticism I would make of Hamza's talk is the lack of questions from his audience. He is preaching to the choir and such people are easy to convince. I know this from personal experience as I was brought up Catholic.
Another thing, Hamza is basically recycling arguments from medieval philosophy. Listening to Hamza, I feel I am listening medieval Thomastic Catholic philosophy on the contingency argument. I don't think mode
rn philosophers with science degrees,
I.e. Physics, Astronomy, would agree with the views Hamza has expressed in this video.
Being able to define something, doesn't actually mean it exists. This I feel is a common mistake Theists make.
The whole idea of a " necessary non contingent existence" is really just a matter of special pleading. Theists claim that the universe can't possibly existed " forever, because their brains can't handle the concept of true infinities and then assert the existence of whatever whatever deity they have been indoctrinated into as children.
I would now like to subdivide my reply as my computer is not working properly. I will be back in a mo.
I understand the universe and all that we perceive depends on something independent. But what is the explanation that relate that independent thing to God? Why the independent thing is God?
this is why many Islamic scholars disregarded and critiqued Ibn sina (Avicenna's) arguments. Belief in God must be arisen or improved by looking at His signs. Look at yourself. YOU as an individual. Do you really believe an aimless process that started 13.8Billion years ago can lead to YOUR existence. I'm talking about you, not the human species, not life in general. What is your purpose here? And why did the world begin to exist? Asking the 'why' is what separates us from animals. Quran has the answers you're looking for. If one seeks to put the effort objectively and unbiased - he will always arrive to the truth.
this is a common question: the logical answer is that we have to know the attributes of this independent 'thing'. By detention that independent this is eternal, immaterial, and self-sufficient since its independent, then we see the thing that is dependant and we can logically infer that an all-powerful thing must have started this, then we can sense a will since the cosmos is or are contingent thus its a possible existence so it may have not existed so this shows a will to create a possible thing. You can even take a step and say that the qualities of the creation can reflect the qualities of the creator in a limited fashion (ex: a swiss watch reflects from its quilty that the swiss watchmaker is skilled) by that logic if we see mercy in human, for example, this 'can' (not certainly) that this creator is merciful.. etc.. In the end it comes down to revelation to be certain of the attributes of that independent being.
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A common way to bridge the gap between Necessary Being and God is - you need the Necessary Being to be a Volitional Agent, i.e. to have will.
See vids 10 and 11 from this playlist. They explain what I said pretty good. czcams.com/play/PL4mTEQpP9b5FBA1EtS22ev2Zm_KWEMfpE.html
It has to be God because whatever has parts depends upon those parts being arranged in a specific way to exist in its current form. So the independent being has to have no parts. That makes it immaterial and spaceless. It needs to have no beginning because whatever begins to exist requires an explanation. So it must exist outside of time, as to have no beginning. So a timeless spaceless immaterial entity on whom all things depend. Sounds to me like God.
As surah Ikhlas says, "Say He is Allah, the One. Allah, *The Eternal, besought of All (meaning Independent)*
Why can someone not say that the universe has to necessarily be arranged in the way it is? Taking a deterministic approach and saying due to the internal nature of the universe itself (which is the necessary existence), it has to he arranged in the way it is right now. All of us and everything within the universe are contingent upon the universe itself.
By the definition of dependency universe has specific arrangement hence universe is dependent if it is dependent then universe is not necessary so we will need a independent explaination which cannot be universe it self (bcoz universe is dependent) , have I answered your question ?
And universe can be arranged otherwise which is also a definition of dependent thing
Anything with parts cannot be the independent neccesary being because it depends on those parts being arranged in a specific way to exist in its current form. Since all matter and space has parts a neccesary being by definition would have to immaterial and spaceless.
a set of finitie entities cannot constitue to an infintie whole
It's really quite simple. Nothing comes by its own self. There is always a creator/causer/originator. Rocks and gas colliding - for billions or trillions of years - don't lead to complex life. Never. Unless, there is a causer that causes them. Even the randomness and aimlessness of the moving rocks and gas has to be accounted for. Think about that for a second. We are so involved in the worldly life - food, money, sex and entertainment that we bypass basic logic and sense. Which is why you see children and really old people (not senile) be firm believers in some form of Creator.czcams.com/video/0mrbJ7Jm9u4/video.html
Why spaghetti monster is dependent
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God is Creator, and that SPECIFIC meaning is enough.
Husyn 7-J everyone can claim that their monsters is creator.
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Fine tuning arguments especially from Susskins himself are amazing.
How to you know spaghetti monster is not creator.
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How the universe has begun is the only question that stops your nonsense words, science like a baby now,
because that question still ALIVE after thousands of years.
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brainwashing zombies much?