Junior doctors dispute: How will Labour solve it? | LBC debate
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- New Health Secretary Wes Streeting is feeling 'optimistic' as he begins talks with junior doctors to solve pay disputes.
He delivered on his promise to call junior doctors in England on "day one" of a Labour Government.
It comes as health leaders have urged the government to resolve the long-running dispute over pay as a 'priority' after it emerged that tens of thousands of appointments were postponed as a result of the latest strike.
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In regards to the second caller, an ST3 doctor is not on 85-90K. An ST3 doctor is on ~50K.
Locum pay is not the same as employee pay.
And the second caller needs to understand that not all doctors progress to being a consultant.
How about just being fair, recognise that (unlike MPs pay) junior doctors are now being paid 25% less than a decade ago.
They knew the pay terms before they decided to join
I qualified in 2016, i didnt sign up for a real term pay cut of around 20% after 7 years at uni and 8 years of postgraduate training. @BigALBoomer
@@MangoKulfiand neither did anyone else in any other industry
Why should you get your but they shouldn’t get theirs
Facts are you only care about yourself
Yet you’ll cry and stamp your feet when you can’t get to work because the train are on strike
@@BigALBoomerclearly they didn't know the ongoing terms would be, that's insane. That's why there is an annual review..
8:44
Final caller suffered from verbal diarrhoea.. he gave one pathetic example of a job advert where a specialist doctor could earn 80k plus. Locums are often always paid more!
No mention of pay restoration..
Pay them what they are owed, or something close to it.
How are MPs given a payrise for effing up the country?
Unfortunately, we haven't got a magic money tree to fund their BMW repairs etc.
@@TheCheshireCat.
Your mistakenly thinking of nurses.. Do your research 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheCheshireCat. I drive a lexus..
If you don't pay them, guess what? Australia will
Let them move over there.
@eddiecalderone they are and do. I know loads that have. And they love it. Working hours are less, 2 days off. And the lovely sun. Life's bliss.
@@limpethead
It all depends on the individual.
There are pros and cons everywhere.
Although I live in London, I have extended family members who are Medical Practitioners in Australia, both studied in London previously, but maybe the fact that we’re Maltese along of being British, helped them to settle better in Australia.
I would not swap London for all the gold in the
world. Maybe that’s just me, being very lucky here and I love the way I can travel around the continent and the Mediterranean without too much hassle.
@@eddiecalderone they are
@@alexanderstefanov6474
Fine. It’s their choice. Unlike many people I don’t consider the nhs to be some kind of celestial entity that we should treat as a holy cow.
Ian needs to understand, that reducing waitlists means les people are off sick, so the economy is more productive, and thus tax receipts are higher.
If I may paraphrase the stupidity of Brexiteers, and I think I may, "You Lost, Get Over It"🤫🤐
Are you copying and paste again?
There was a Doctor Mike video were doctors said their pay, the NHS doctor as you can imagine earnt about 1/3rd to in one case less than a 20th. You want to keep doctors you need to pay them more.
Doctor Mike is in US where those who can afford or are at least employed can afford to see a doctor BUT
All those without a job or homeless have zero health insurance to pay for medical treatment
Wes Steeting has already said 35% is not available and the junior doctors know this and are willing to meet and negotiate a plan
That second caller is totally wrong. ST3 do not get 85-90k. It's 50-60k max.
Locum doctors might be on 90K whereas the majority of specialty doctors are on 50-60k. Locum doctors are needed due to staff shortages caused by lack of retention (doctors going to australia for better pay). Increasing doctor pay will not increase locum rates (these are set by individual trusts based on the market). Instead increasing doctor pay will reduce total locum pay by reducing staff shortages, thereby reducing the need for locum doctors.
2nd caller is definitely doesn't know about the pay system , st1 starts with 33k, ST3 gets 45k as starting
Hopefully its resolved Tories never talked or met them FFS
Everything labour has said over the past year it doesn't look like they'll be offering much more than the Conservatives..
@@ru76224 What media outlet has been feeding you lies? Labour's done more for the country in 5 days than the Conservatives did in 5 years!
It is not possible to 'back seat drive' negotiations. (as evidenced by Brexit). It will down to Streeting and the Doctors to negotiate, trading competing goals and seeking a workable compromise. Posturing helps neither side.
Or, "Why did the previous Conservative government chose not to solve the outstanding industrial action with junior doctors?" - fixed it for you Ian. Try harder next time.
I'm glad you are now posting videos about "Will politician do well at their job? We debate" as opposed to "Can you believe what that politician just did/said?". The adults are finally in charge again.
Get out of bed earlier each morning so we can all gloat about "Our Overwhelming Labour Victory" for longer every day !😋😋😍
Lol in a year you will be crying to get the red Tories out of power
80% of eligible voters didn't vote for Labour. So when the protests begin, remember Labour has no legitimacy to govern whatsoever. Theyll be gone within 2 years.
If we can't attract or retain enough medics and other jobs or other countries are offering better pay and conditions then surely we need to find the money. In terms of net cost there will be income tax, NI and probably salary spent on things with VAT or other duty so the net cost is low compared with the number or people that can be treated sooner (cheaper to treat early and some will go back to work). When a new MP with little or no relevant experience has better pay and conditions than a medic with years or maybe decades of experience, something is badly wrong.
Iain, you're still there. I thought you left. 😮
Second caller let down by his own union😂
Labour will give in 😅
Step Weeing out of his depth!
I think we should all be paid in “fraction of the cost of a house” per year. We can then match our wages to house prices and everyone is happy.
If the UK is so broken that it can’t afford to pay Doctors as much as they’d get paid overseas, then it needs to get cheaper doctors from somewhere else. Maybe like a doctor pound shop or something. Same place they get their politicians and right wing talk-jocks.
" As Socialists we are opposed to the Jew for in the Hebrew we see the incarnation of capitalism and the misuse of the nations goods."...
Joseph Goebbels
@@zoltan-zq3xe “we really really really wanna zig a zig a”
- The Spice Girls
Wes Streeting is a joke!
I wonder if the new government could tie annual pay rises over the next five years to the NHS meeting increasingly stricter waiting list targets. This would satisfy both the staff and the patients, and as fewer people would be off sick, it would improve the economy to help fund their pay raises, satisfying the treasury.
The waiting lists aren't there because doctors are lazy and not doing anything...they are ALL rushed off their feet because there aren't anywhere near enough of them!
The tories aren't in power anymore, it's time to move out of Lalaland and into the real world!
The London Labour echo chamber at LBC is always a laugh!
It's the uniparty media
They won't. Simple as.
Goed geluk Wes Craven
This is where we find out how important Streeting thinks his American Health insurance backer is...
Same way they always trying to solve things, throw money they don’t have at it then leave it for the tories to sort out in 5 years
Yet all the stats show this to be nonsense. Look at govt borrowing before Covid or Ukraine and the same with NHS waiting lists then contrast with Labour waiting lists (NHS rates best in the world) and look at Labour borrowing after a world financial crisis! Tories highest taxes ever and worst public services but some people did well out of it - yachts and reduced tax on champagne.
Streeting said he was going to deal with it, " by having a nice chat!". 😂 Now you are going see what a bunch of amateurs Labour are.
Can't be worse than the circus we've had for the past 14 years.
@@hammerofolympia3716 oh yes it will be.
@@limpetheadrubbish, they will sought it.
They will settle for exactly the same as the tories offered.
Lefty agitators
yeah that Bastion of MArxism that is the medical profession...Ye Gods, do you people even read the tripe you type?
I would not Trust "Strep Weeing" at all. He is clueless. He is doing the Blairites Bidding.
He should listen to the medical profession 1st before any thing
No, I suk
I suk
No one is forcing them to work, they can find another job if they don’t like it like everyone else.
Grow up
Do you also complain that you can’t see a doctor?
We have a staffing crisis. People can get better pay and conditions elsewhere. We have massive waiting lists because of staff shortages. Which bit are you finding hard to follow?