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Literally this dude: "Yes I support slavery but at least I'm not RUDE!"
The reason they support the slavery in their book is because they view themselves as the masters; never thinking what being the slave is like.
I love the immediate jump to the No True Scotsman.
When you have nothing, you Matrix dodge until you find a possibly useful fallacy
Zachary is apparently the decider of all things truly Christian. News to me 😮
most pretend to get to that, this one was just pushed it dry asap lol
Right, like within a minute.
He went with the "if you are an atheist... you don't have that Holy Spirit decoder ring thingy to make you smart enough to get all this"... premise.
be sure to drink your ovaltine
Christianity has been on the decline since they stopped putting the Holy Spirit decoder rings in Cracker Jacks boxes 😏
@@dragonhealer7588 those rings of the schwartz are better sellers though.
If Christianity is true then Christianity is true. Thanks Zack for educating us.
The same can be said about any religion, but Zack seems to be ignoring that.
Poor guy is unable to follow rational reasoning. Faith has sabotaged his brain.
He sees "nothing inherently wrong with slavery".
He' just a piece of (see YT's "Community Guidelines")
Faith is an opportunistic parasite that prefers the credulous and weak minded....I don't think it's fair to blame faith for people's deficiencies, by default. I think it's more fair to assume that they were deficient to begin with
If you listen at it carefully, this poor guy rational reasoning is good (apart from slavery), and the atheist just but on a show of arrogances
@@AbdellaHabib-pj6yh I didn't "listen at it" carefully but I did listen TO his argument, and his reasoning is weak-sauce & smooth-brained to the extreme. The atheist hosts were not arrogant, they were just trying to get the caller to demonstrate - or even ATTEMPT to demonstrate - that his claims are true.
If planet killing lasers are true, then Star Wars is real.
Star Wars isn’t real, but that’s just me presupposing that planet killing lasers are false, therefore presupposing that Star Wars is false.
No, Star Trek is true, Star Wars is heresy. We have the Kirk to guide us
I think it depends on whether it is a jewish laser...
@@rationalist8805 Don't tell Marj
@@jiubboatman9352 Those are Jewish space lasers. Completely different. Pew pew! 😂
Faith is the art of lying to yourself. And Zach is very skilled at it.
@Thomas-sx6mc Will you stop playing semantics? That's intellectually dishonest.
@AXKfUN9m well, Thomas seems to think that people saying or thinking their beliefs are rationally justified means that they are!
@Thomas-sx6mc "But the word faith means belief." Not true, faith is being 100 % convinced without any doubts no matter about circumstances or evidence. Belief is simply something we consider to be true or real.
@Thomas-sx6mc What dictionary? 😀Where do you think I've got my explanation? Lets try another:
faith
noun
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Belief:
- the feeling of being certain that something exists or is true
- an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
- subjective attitude that a proposition is true or a state of affairs is the case.
@Thomas-sx6mc My point is that my beliefs are not based on blind faith or dogma.
Zachary gets an Olympic Gold medal in mental gymnastics.
His thinking is just so far removed from logic, reasoning, and critical thinking. It's scary. But, it's not hard to see how people who think like him are religious.
I would try to compete, but I keep hitting my head on the bar
It's hard to get a gold medal when you repeatedly fall on your face.
@@peterkotara that's the fun part of the religious event in mental gymnastics. The more you fall in your face, the more likely you are to get a gold medal.
@@Mewse1203 😂You are correct. I believe that event is called "face planting".
Simply owning a person IS mistreating them.
The second that you enslave someone, you have removed their autonomy, their freedom and their free will. Those three characteristics have been transferred to the Master, regardless of how the Master treats his slave.
Exactly. And it’s not like the bible advocates for treating them relatively well anyways.
And this is exactly why the bible is a terrible guide for parents.
The bible treats children as property by default.
Exactly. This is what I have to explain to these dumbass slavery apologists down south when they try to justify it by saying stuff like "well actually the slave were treated very well". I don't care if they were treated like kings and queens, that doesn't excuse the fact that THEY WERE OWNED AS PROPERTY LIKE FARM EQUIPMENT!
Dude definitely got owned
Apologists will try to sneak in arguments as evidence by calling them " evidences ".
I know you may not know, but your pluralization of evidence made me think of this. Do You or anybody no know why theist pluralize proof all the time. As far as I know the plural of proof is proof. It always makes me of rising bread.
@@spookyariel1 " Evidence " is a quality and has no plural.
@alanmacification I'm aware, the OP was quoting callers . which is sort of my question. Why do they pluralize words with an" S" that don't have one.
I really hate the word "evidences" since it slams you in the face with the person's ignorance.
@@alanmacification "" Evidence " is a quality and has no plural." Not true, evidence can have plural:
In general English, evidence is always uncountable. However, in academic English the plural evidences is sometimes used: (specialist) The cave contained evidences of prehistoric settlement.
Source: oxfordlearnersdictionaries
A million folks using logic arrive at 1 conclusion; a million using faith arrive at a million conclusions. A million is greater than 1 so there.
Jeneous!
Typically we’d close with “Checkmate, atheists!”, but “so there” has a nice Lucy-telling-off-Linus feel to it, so I like it.
Lol
Your logic is as useless as your faith.
@@frederickreinking6655
Sometimes logic fails you. You read the OP’s words, logically took them at face value, and failed to realize she was being sarcastic.
The caller didn't notice that everything that he said could apply to his own religion.
That's why religion has work so well to bamboozle and control people for millennia!
aye or any other - in particular those that also claim to be the 'Word of God' that denies the divinity of Jesus.
'If it's true, then it would be true, right?'
it depends on whether it's true
The Holy Circle of Wisdom 😇🙄
@@rationalist8805Mmm, good point. But it it was true, then it'd be true, so there's that.
When they mumble the question back at the hosts, I reach for the popcorn.
But look their question makes no sense.
I bought a Tesla based on faith it was a good car. That backfired spectacularly
Faith allows you to make a decision and take actions without a foundation of evidence. Without a solid foundation of evidence your beliefs, decisions and actions will be built on a foundation of sh!t.
Literally?
Because....
@@WizardImp I am a 1988 Cadillac El Dorado man. Just making jokes on the internet 😁
If your Tesla is backfiring, i have some bad news buddy
@@Gooberchen Yeah, this mistake is becoming worse each and everyday
When they come with the "totally possible" line, I usually respond by asking if it's 'totally possible that Vishnu is the true and supreme god of the universe.'
Christians usually cannot admit that possibility, and it details their follow-up.
I've always thought that if there was one true god and religion, wouldn't every culture in every part of the earth, throughout time, share the same book and same religion? They all can't be right but they certainly can all be wrong.
Right out of the gate with the no true Scotsman fallacy and circular reasoning
When he started talking about leaps of faith he was SO CLOSE to understanding
He knows that, which is why he immediately backs away. Sort of like CC the flerf when his camera focuses on a planet--defocus immediately!
5:30 "It isn't necessarily logic which brings you to God" That's the problem. Logic doesn't seem to matter to most religious people. Faith seems to be enough. My brain doesn't work that way.
Lmao, I always enjoy when a Christian, or any other theist, calls an atheist a presuppositionalist. I’ll repeat what I’ve heard many atheists say: atheism only concerns one thing-not believing or not being convinced that there’s a god or gods. That’s it. It almost seems to be the opposite of pressupositionalism-on one issue.
Yes, you mindlessly repeat the AXP mantra of lies. Congratulations, your AXP indoctrination is complete. You have absolved yourself of any burden to think or justify the insane atheist belief position by defining atheism in terms that make a dead cat an 'atheist' by definition. Weak, but typical.
@@EdithBromfeld Aww, does it hurt your wittle feelings that people don't believe in your magic sky daddy? Poor ickle Jim Castlebury 😭
@@GroundhogRoy I see you melted down fast. You've become another atheist gnat splattered on the grille of my freight train. Never stood a chance.
100% the case that they've heard the word "presuppositionalist" and they want to use it back
@@infinite_arrayIt's particularly funny when they immediately try to use it on you, and just make it obvious that they don't understand it at all, but still it's a new toy they can play with. 🤣
I have faith that christianity is impossible.
The south really has dumbed down too many people and the attempt to educate those lost would take generations.
One could say that it’s a…lost cause!
False religion is not exclusive to the south, so there’s always that.
Caller: Faith and grace are ways of logic that you don't understand.
Host: No. Faith and logic aren't logic.
Caller: I didn't say they were logic.
😂😂 Weasel!!
*faith and grace not faith and logic
Nice try, liar.
Logic isn't logic?
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor "faith and grace aren't logic"
@@oxidize11 To quote op: "Host: No. Faith and logic aren't logic."
His argument is:
It's possible Christianity is true. Therefore is true.
Well done.
It's like trying to reason with a dog
Nah. It's way more productive to reason with your dog. With some patience and treats, you can teach a dog simple things.
@@Beacon80 Theists do follow blindly, bark and bite. Dogs know their owners, theists pretend they know they have one.
More like trying to reason with a cat. :)
@@Mr_Rouge Wait until you try herding displacer beasts.
I can reason w my cats on rare occasions🤣
All you need to hear is ‘Alabama’.
Or any red state
Racist against a state! Statist!
I thought the same thing.
I heard a Tom Lehrer song yesterday about nukes and going down the list of countries developing them, knowing when it was recorded I wondered how he'd depict the rest of the cold war.
Alabama. He finished with "Alabama got the bomb" and it's amazing how he managed to distill horror into one state name.
I live in a red state and I think the Bible is nonsense..You shouldn't stereotype everyone in a particular state. I like living in a red state -- I dislike blue states.
Alfred Wegener, a German meteorologist, geophysicist and polar researcher, is often credited with first developing a theory of plate tectonics, in the form of continental drift, in 1912. He published his theory in his 1915 work The Origin of Continents and Oceans, but fellow scientists ridiculed him, and it took another 50 years for the concept to be accepted.
Scientists *presupposed* he was mistaken, but it didn't stop the ongoing acquisition of knowledge. We can presuppose anything, and still be amenable to facts discovered later.
That’s the beauty of scientific discovery you don’t stop checking and looking, religion says sorry we have all the answers any further inquiry is unnecessary and should not be questioned. Listening to former theists it seems as if the continuing quest for answers to questions they could not ignore play a big part in their deconversion.
The problem is that not enough theists are looking for those answers, they’d rather stay wrapped up in their Bible blanket their entire lives because death is scary.
@@tonyclements1147 So true. But I always wonder if the callers who are on these YT shows hear how dumb they sound when they watch later. If hearing yourself sound so ridiculous in front of thousands of viewers doesn't cause you to reconsider you've got to be wrapped pretty tight in that "Bible blanket".
Unlike christians, they will just damn you to hell, and insult the shit out of you nonstop then say you are the wrong one when they just defended slavery......
@@chikkipop
I reckon a lot of them are SO deep in their god suppositions,
that they simply don't / won't see the missing steps in their logic / reasoning.
😁🌏☮️
my belief in my beliefs are true because i believe.
Tell us more, Grasshopper 🙏
That's faith. Faith should never be admired, encouraged, or rewarded.
That's what I believe, too. At least I believe I believe it so it must be true
Zachary from Alabama is ok with owning people. He is fine with slavery. WTF!
A master class in shutting down those kinds of people. This is one of the best of the recaps.
This guy votes. Make sure you do too. Go to your Democratic party headquarters in your county. Offer your support to help get out the vote to elect Democrats. Local, state, Federal. We don't need to convince anybody, we just need to outvote them. Save our democracy.
You do realize that not believing in a deity doesn’t make you a democrat by default right?
@@stevenvegh7964
I'm not sure I follow how you could be a republican.
All you have to do to be kicked out of your local repubs is mention you are not a Christian.
So no its not a "default" position,
You're forced there by reactionaries that dehumize you when you don't admit to believing in their bronze age magic stories.
If voting mattered, the government wouldn’t let you do it.
@@stevenvegh7964 Sure, but it should make you oppose Republicans. Democrats aren't trying to block abortion, promote ID, and deny gay/trans rights.
@@Lord.1337-7 Abortion is a pretty complicated issue with great points on both sides. I lean towards protecting the rights of the unborn personally without needing to believe in a deity or a spirit within that child.
Its either strong evidence or it isnt. No special exceptions for myths or ancient fairy tales.
Imagine claiming to have "evidence" for god, following it with a "let me ask you a question", then proceed to make the most convoluted, circular reasoning word salad imaginable, aka World Olympics level of mental gymnastics.
People like Zack have kids, and they all vote...
Ugh I know. How does this get remedied? Does it even matter? US politics are all run by the corporate interests regardless of which idiot is elected…
He sounds young and I bet as soon as he opens his mouth around women, they flee in terror.
@@DreamcastLoL the one’s in his church though…they think he’s virtuous and holy, and “a good Christian man.”
@@DreamcastLoL Zack practices Matthew 5:28.
.. and raise children who are just as bad.
So, what you need to do is just believe something from the start and then accept what a book says about faith being the lone means of justifying that belief. Brilliant.
That is not how faith works. Atheists like to say that Christians have blind faith, but that is a false and disengenious claim. I know of no Christian who believes in God or Christianity blindly. Do you really believe that all of the disciples suffered tortuous deaths for something that they thought was a lie? They died at the hand of cruel tortures because they refused to recant their eye witness accounts of Jesus of Nazareth who died and rose again. A Christian believes what they do, not just because the Word of Truth inspires their faith. There is plenty of evidence outside of the Bible that bolsters the Christian world view. There is nothing to prove that atheism is true. That world view is blind faith.
@@Richard-GaryButler Got any irrefutable evidence that any gods exist?
@@Richard-GaryButler People create a belief and hold a belief, a belief of anything, based on only two methods. Your belief is either built upon a foundation of verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence, or your belief is build on faith, which has no, or an insufficient foundation of evidence. God(s), or any other supernatural deities or phenomenon can only be held to be true in a belief based upon faith, without evidence. No! the disciples did not suffer tortuous deaths for something that they thought was a lie. They were absolutely committed to the prospect that their belief was true and were willing to die for their belief. This in no way provides any proof that their belief was true. This type of sacrifice happens everyday. Soldiers from both sides of a conflict give their lives everyday for what they truly believe to be a just cause. Did the German soldier that sacrificed his life prove that Nazism was truly the superior political ideology? Your reasoning based on the sacrifice of the disciples is not reasoning at all and utter nonsense. Your "Word of Truth" is a simple claim from authority, which you refuse to question. The authority has no verifiable, demonstrable or repeatable evidence to support it. There is no evidence outside of the Bible to bolster the Christian world view. If you believe that based on faith, you do not comprehend what evidence is.
You need to learn what atheism is. An atheist is a person who claims that they do not have adequate evidence to believe in god(s). I do not hold a belief in god(s), or any other supernatural entities or phenomenon, therefore atheism does exist and it is true. Are you an atheist concerning the existence of other gods, unicorns, garden fairies, or mermaids? Ask yourself; "Why do I hold a belief in the claims of a book, of clergy that represent that book, or my community that accepts that book, If I do not have verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence to build a belief upon? It's not a matter of believing in God, or Christianity "blindly", it's about holding a belief without proven evidence.
@@Richard-GaryButler it doesn't require faith to conclude that those making a God claim haven't met their burden of proof. And, given that Christians often describe God as having mutually exclusive attributes, the atheist can be certain that a God with contradictory attributes is not capable of existing.
Also, I'm sure that you're aware that many people throughout history have died for their beliefs and many of those people died for beliefs that are in direct opposition to your beliefs. Do you accept that their beliefs are true simply because they died for them?
@@Richard-GaryButlerI believe that the early Christians died for something that they thought was true, but of which there is no sufficient evidence to support the truthfulness.
I've seen rocks with better understanding of logic and with greater intelligence than the caller
Actual quote from Thomas-sx6mc: "But if you're an atheist, you probably believe another book, a science book, with dogma and lots of supposition, conjecture, and theory. Let's be honest and not play the hypocrite. If you're an atheist, much of your faith is in a book of opinions." 🤦♂
Thomas isn't all there.
Yeah, I can't figure out if he is really that stupid or just trolling... Probably both....
Given the evidence presented, we can conclude that Tommy is a dishonest theist troll cosplaying as a deist to insult atheists, all while knowing sh1t of the positions of both.
What Tommy thinks:
Deist: theists but with a different label (he thinks deists has accountability to god) but has no specific religion.
Atheist: idiots that believe there are no gods because they have faith.
He obviously believes himself to be a mind reader. Which is silly for any adult to pretend to be.
@@wyldink1
"himself to be a mind reader. "
Well, it's like living in a cheap apartment...
If the radio is off in your place, you can hear the neighbours... so that is how he reads minds...
Faith is literally defined as belief or conviction without evidence.
They are different things. Faith comes from word faithful, or covents, trusts, contracts. The limits to hold onto something. Whereas belief is to say something is true with not enough evidence
@@AbdellaHabib-pj6yh Faith is defined literally as belief or conviction without evidence.
He's not just inflexible, he's anti-flexible. Nothing bounces off: whatever gets thrown hits and falls dead to the floor. An impressive fog surrounds this person... And it's truly psychosis adjacent.
You can't win with these folks. If say you were a Christian you weren't really. Or, you say are not a Christian then they'll say you are you're just denying god. It's all merry-go=round double talk
Pre call warning. "Continuing with this call is highly correlated with an existinal identity crisis." I love it. These idiots keep walking into the volcano of reason.
This caller just cannot answer the question on which he called to justify because he cannot establish an agreed premise. Bye.
I will now bring this back into my vocabulary. I will say, "I'm buying this car on faith". Wonderful way to bring this stuff into conversation.
"God laid it on my heart to buy this house" 😂 but it's something they'll tell you lol
@@thomasdjonesn nice. You will enjoy your house if it pleases the lord as well.
@@thomasdjonesn yup literally what my former Christian neighbour said to me before she moved away!
If there is just one thing religious people need to understand about evidence it is this - "Your holy book is no more evidence than the Harry Potter novels"
Even after 100,000 years we will know Harry potter was written by JK rowland
@@AbdellaHabib-pj6yh You make the assumption that current civilization will continue. I would call that optimistic
@@reggiedixon2 civilization has continued from the time of Jesus. So you cannot compare that with a civilization that dies out. In science what we call that is that you don't have the essential "control"
@@AbdellaHabib-pj6yh A character who may well be fictional and is depicted as living 2000 years ago is not good evidence of knowing anything after even that passing of time
@@reggiedixon2 The truth is determined by probability. And probablility is dependent on evidence.
1)The entire Abrahamic lineage is documented
2) and there is a wealth of literature with eye witness accounts of Jesus.
This suggest that probably Jesus is not fictional
This caller is a sad reflection of many Christians who don’t seem to seriously look at their beliefs.
I wonder if anyone has asked Zack if he’s ever tried to disprove his beliefs the way scientists confirm an hypothesis by trying and failing to disprove it. Bet he’d ask why he would do that
Actually atheists don't do boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer, at all 😊
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Classic example of a man taking turns to speak rather than listening and responding. Repeatedly asked to repeat simplest of questions and either misunderstood or misrepresented what was asked.
Faith is an emotions. Prove to me God exists without making an appeal to my emotions.
Prove to me that atheism is true without appealing to emotions!
@@Richard-GaryButler Please provide your irrefutable evidence that any gods exist.
@@Richard-GaryButler Present to me the atheist claim first.
@@Richard-GaryButler What emotions do you think atheism appeals to?
@@Richard-GaryButleryour god doesnt exist. That's all the proof I need and all the proof I'll bother giving you unless you want to ask a real question
I first thought this said "atheists don't do divorce right" lol
I mean we don't do divorce as well as Christians!! Christians, evangelicals especially have an insanely higher divorce rate than non believer's.
An argument can NEVER demonstrate/prove a gods existence.
With proof it can
@@AbdellaHabib-pj6yh Notice you provide none. Because there is none.
Zachery starts with,”If Christianity is true.” Then complains about atheists have presuppositions. He is not surprisingly blind to his own hypocrisy.
The bible says a lot of things, but the bible is only evidence the bible exists.
There has to be a different approach to get them to commit to things before moving to conclusion. Hold them accountable for their answers. Use a natural flow to build on the previous commitment. I noticed he said faith worked for jumping cliffs but then said this time it showed it to be true, yet earlier he said sometimes it does and doesn’t.
"I am not come to break the law, but to fulfill it." A statement that not only justifies the OT's application to their lives, but closes the door in the face of any attempts to weasel out of it by using the NT in some kind of special pleading. "Fulfill it." - justify the rabbinical laws and their purpose. Never says erase them.
Not one jot nor tittle shall pass away from the law. Followed by tap dancing, every time.
"B-but, but...he already fulfilled these old laws so we don't have to follow them anymore!1!!1!1!!1" Then stop clinging to Leviticus to justify your bigotry while you ignore "Love thy neighbour" or the verse that tells you to welcome foreigners.
If faith was a good pathway to the truth then every god ever believed in is true.
I like the North American indigenous peoples' god.
You can lead a Zachary to water…….
You can lead a theist to knowledge, but you can’t make them think
... and he'll say an ancient rabbi walked on it.
I really miss Johnny angel.
he's still around I think isn't he? on some other shows or even TAE, I'm pretty sure?
Not starting with the assumption that Christianity is true is different from assuming that Christianity is false. Those are different and NOT opposites.
What an awesome representative for Alabama!
Lol Johnny's face at 2:30 is priceless!
If you just give up all free thought, throw away logic and reason and accept Christianity to be true without evidence then you too can be exactly like this caller.
Which isn't a good thing, at all.
Johnny's beard just doing all kinds of things to me hehe
JMIKE is number 1 in my heart, but ya know :P
The juxtaposition of "you weren't a real christian if you stopped believing" with the popular argument that athiests actually believe in god but want to sin is hilarious. I wish they'd argue each other rather than clapping each other on the back for nonsense they make up.
No paratrooper has ever done a jump, because he had absolute unquestionable faith in the parachute packer!
You can't proof the bible with the bible!
Hogwarts is real! I read it in Harry Potter
YES YOU CAN!!!!! You just have to believe, BEFORE you believe, and THEN you will BELIEVE!!!!!!!
...... 🤣
@MasterSpade
Yes, that's called blind faith, which makes you fall into the ditch of ignorance.
And by the way, your bible is a flawed document, contains over 30,000 errors and contradictions. Not even written by eye witnesses, so 40 to 85 years after the death of Christ.
If you want to fool yourself, you have the right to do so, but that's called being a fool!
@@JimMaisonneuve-ri9vg -- You have to remember that the god of the bibles loves us so much, that he gave us Zero Real Evidence for his existence!! If that is not Love, then nothing is!! 😉
@@MasterSpade Not to forget the fiery lake of burning sulfur that you'll get thrown in just for not believing. Because this god who created said lake of sulfur loves us.
What exactly is "exactly" true? True "is" or "is not" true! There is no wiggle-room!
Truth, like anything else, is not absolute. Truth is based on the very best determination available, based on the evidence which is verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable. "On Earth gravity makes things fall down", which is considered to be true and the Theory of Gravity provides all the verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence necessary to prove the claim. As an atheist, I should not state that; "God(s) absolutely do not exist". I should only state that; "I have zero evidence to create a belief for the existence of god(s)". If someone claims that God's existence is true, they only have to provide the evidence for their claim. Unfortunately, no human being has ever been able to provide that evidence.
Reminds me of people in high school that said they didn't need to learn science or math, because they won't ever use it after high school. 😂
He’s saying he’s smart enough to know how faith is used as a method to truth. And has the gall to ask “How do I demonstrate it to you?”
Hey Thomas, nice "winning" by running away via deleting your comment thread.
He means that faith is correct when it brings you to Christianity.
Hindus and Islamists would tell you the same, that their believe brings you closer to their religion.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor You didn't read that right homie.
@@swiftly2322 Oh, my mistake. Sorry for misunderstanding.
They're always so inclusive on the way in (just believe in your heart and confess with your tongue blah... blah...) but so EXCLUSIVE on the way out. "You were never REALLY a xtian!" 😂
In light of this call I've come to the conclusion that an IQ score > 80 should be mandatory before taking someone's call
It's baffling that people like this caller can say genuinely evil things, like to be perfectly ok to own slaves and beat them (which makes themselves quite evil) and then claim they have objective morality. Few things are more immoral than owning slaves, and I can't possibly understand how someone can not only not see that, but take it backwards morally-wise.
"Depends if the slave is misbehaving" I mean, it's surreal that someone can answer "is it ok to beat your slave" with anything that isn't "no".
What's worse is that they always see themselves as the slavers and never as the slave in that scenario.
Good evidence is testable, reliable, repeatable and provides a basis for future predictions.
God belief rests on faith in the invisible and unknowable.
That is a blatant FALSE statement! Christians do NOT believe in invisible faith, but see a plethora of evidence based on what they can see with their own eyes, or when they burrow down with electron microscopes and see the awesome machinery in the cell, which cannot be explained outside of an intelligent mind. Even DNA - a code more sophisticated than any known computer language points to an intelligent mind. Secondly, Christianity is NOT based on the unknowable, but the truth of the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth, his life, death and resurrection.
“The historicity of Jesus..”
Pull the other leg. 😂
There is different kinds of evidences. You thinking of one that you have in a lab. A witness account is also consider evidence. Thats why in a court room they say to a witness to give your evidence. And they don't look a testible, repeatable, etc... The bible is mostly witness accounts.
Eye witness testimony is only as good as the witness. Most people don't hear, see, remember things as well as they think they do. Further, memories change over time as the story is retold.
@@tonyclements1147 That is true that a witness testimony is as good as the witness. That is why when it is my word against your word situation in a court room the person that has a clear criminal record has a weighter word than someone who does not, as the latter is more likely to lie. I think it is an over exaggeration to refuse to accept eye witness accounts because people don't see, remember things as well as they think, this especially is the case for messengers that do great miracles. That is because there is a correlation between how big the event is and its memory retention. Like the people that saw Jesus healing the blind , raising the dead would have remebered that. little details they might have forgotten, like the day it was on or what exactly was said .
Zachary sounds like he's on a headset in his van parked outside.
No true scotsman from the caller right off the bat.
If god was real this show and others like it, would not exist. Where would the denial come from? If god was real we would all know it. Not just the indoctrinated. Not just the gullible. You can't dispute the tree growing in your yard. No one will ever try to tell you that it's not there. Faith is the art of lying to yourself.
2:28 considering that there’s an inverse correlation between believing in god and intelligence, i would say that it’s most likely the opposite than what he says : theists have an inherent disadventage that makes them theist (to take his words)
I rarely despise the callers but Zachary is special.
Love a lot of the old calls, detest a lot of the old callers.
If the NY Giants have taught me anything is that faith is BS.
Someone needs a hug! 🤗
If someone claims they have a reliable pathway to truth but they can't demonstrate it to other people, then they don't have a reliable pathway to truth
Listening to someone read scripture is SOOO persuasive!!
A Muslim or Hindu can do the same thing Zach is trying to do. And they'd be making contradictory claims to Zach's. How would we possibly find out which claims (if anyone's) are correct? Faith just isn't gonna cut it.
All the gods cannot be true, but all the gods can be false.
The bible says Zach has to be my slave.
If anyone argues that slavery can be justified, just declare that person your property. When they say "nooooo, nuh-uh," repeat that the person is now under your ownership.
If it's true, then it's true.... nice logic. I guess it never occurred to him that if it isn't true, it isn't true also.
If Christianity was true, shouldn't it be easier than he said she said to tell who's actually the true Christian?
Special Pleading much?
Zach is as messed up as I was when I was a Xtian. His thoughts are muddled by nebulous ideas of faith, revealed truth, holy spirit, Bible stories. That's why he genuinely couldn't grasp that faith's ability to support both reality and falsehood makes it unreliable. He was truly baffled. Listening to him remind's me of Seth Andrews' book "Christianity Made Me Talk Like an Idiot."
his hold mindset was exposed when he set that believing is not based on logic
Good start, insult the host. 👎🙄 Faith in a religious sense, is the belief in something without evidence. Or apparently, the ability to believe that obviously abhorrent behaviour is acceptable.
Zachary had faith he could make a good argument. We see how that turned out.
Atheism demonstrates nothing, answers nothing, explains nothing, it just says I see no evidence for God
Nobody as of yet has been able to show how 'b' is really true and that 'a' is not really true in this God analysis below:
GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT:
For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following:
a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing.
b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing.
People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur.
'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'.
I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". Instead of what is claimed "God created man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image".
Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe basically anything at all as being really true. It has also been scientifically proven that the brain makes up stuff to 'fill in the blanks' of it's perceived reality. Technology is often needed to perceive items that are outside of the human senses' capabilities. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead. Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) even believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought?
If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where?
If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of.
* Note: Since this is a search for the real absolute truth concerning God, Intelligent Designer, Pre-existent Consciousness, etc, feel free to copy and paste this elsewhere to further the analysis and discussion.
* For those who claim God actually exists besides just as a concept, please prove that 'b' above is really true and that 'a' is not really true.
QUESTIONS:
Okay, it's claimed that a sub-set of humanity, in only a certain time in human history, out of all the other humans in existence on this Earth throughout time, as well as all the other species on this Earth throughout time, as well as any other life that might exist in this galaxy, as well as all the life in other galaxies, is the only chosen people of God. Really? They truly believe this? Ego centric much?
* God did not make man in God's image, man made God in man's image.
Additionally:
a. Modern science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence energy is eternally existent.
b. An absolute somethingness cannot come from an absolute nothingness, so an absolute somethingness always existed, most probably being energy itself.
c. Universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, No Creator Needed.
'a' is true, is it not? 'b' is true, is it not? If 'a' and 'b' are true, then no creator is needed in 'c'.
* Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
We do not exist -> We exist -> We cease to exist.
Applies to all individuals,
Applies to all species,
Even apparently applies to this very Earth.
"Be still and know that I am God." Psalm 46.10 NIV
There is no mystery. You can't stop thinking.
No stillness = no God. The ball is in your court.
"Prepare ye the way of the Lord."
Asking everyone else for God is your own cop out.
Have you heard of null hypothesis? The null hypothesis is the claim that the effect being studied does not exist. It's assumed to be true until proven false.
Let's say for example that two events happened in a room, A and B. The default position is to assume that both events aren't related to one another. Let's say now that someone proposes that event A lead to event B, that's the alternative hypothesis. Proving that A lead to B would mean that the null hypothesis is false. To prove it we need evidence, called positive data, that A lead to B.
Now back to the existence of gods, the null hypothesis is that things we don't know exist, don't exist. In the lack of evidence, we assume that gods don't exist. Does it means they really don't? Of course not, we just assume they don't because we have no reason to think otherwise.
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There is no A to B in stillness. There are no assuptions in stillness. There is no thought in stillness.
"Be still and know I am God."
In my language the words for 'having faith'
and 'believing, assuming ' are the same: 'tro'. Makes kind of sense.
One point wasn't made sufficiently clear in this clip (IMO): Zach uses faith to give him the courage to make the (foolhardy) cliff-jumping attempt, but like all of us he judges the success or otherwise of his attempt empirically and/or rationally. Similarly, he would, if necessary, judge the competence of an airline pilot or a brain surgeon as rationally as he could. Faith is the recourse of most of us when certainty is lacking but nevertheless you have to make a decision, but anything you can do to avoid having to rely on faith is worth doing.
Religious people operate within a framework of assumptions that are not shared by the non-religious. If you're religious, faith is a big deal because you have to commit even if reason is telling you otherwise. Religion contains within itself no rational brake to prevent you from committing any wrong-headed act, not stopping short of actual atrocity, if faith is telling you to commit it. Luckily for the rest of us, religious faith in practice doesn't always reach that point.
It was cruel how they batted Zach around at the end. Still loved it...
This man may vote, please go vote too!
"Do you want to be our slave?"
"Well, according to the bible..."
He knew exactly what they meant and is still trying to justify it. Any person that tries to justify slavery like it's a good thing, they don't deserve respect imo.
When someone puts forth a non-argument this bad , don’t be terribly surprised they have other major flaws in their thinking , that will hold them back in life. Imagine meeting a new person and finding out that they don’t really have a problem with slavery. Want to become friends with them ? Nope nope nope