We have an autofocusing problem....(Fujifilm XT5 Firmware 3.01)
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- In today's video We are doing a Fujifilm AFC tracking test with my Fujifilm XT5 and the XF 33mm F1.4 WR LM. I recently updated to Firmware 3.01 on my Fujifilm XT5 so i decided I wanted to test the AF and see if there are any improvements.
I wanted to demonstrate the hit rate that I get while using the XT5 with the latest processor and a linear motor lens. Combined with these two things, in theory should perform very well. We are going to go over the Fujifilm AF Setting presets and see what the hit rate is like for each settings.
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0:00 - Intro
1:48 - AF Test Round 1
4:55 - AF Test Round 2
7:09 - Conclusion / Rant
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Update : firmware update 4.0 is released, in the mean while I’ll be making a video about this so please report back in real time your thoughts if autofocus issue has been resolved.
@@Iamtongue looking forward to it.
I hope Fuji sees this video. I am a fuji fan boy but I cant ignore this at all.
I have forwarded the link to this video to them as I’ve been in contact with them several times regarding this matter.
@@helldriver1957 Thank you for doing that. Doing the same and seems Blurryfilm is focused in other things, so time to say goodby to Blurryfilm!
@@jcar4522 They got back to me the same day saying that there was an update for the X-H2S within a couple of days and “more to come” at the end of June 🙏
@@helldriver1957 They have just released 6.01 few hours ago and doesnt fix anything. Do you mean there'll be another one in addition to the 6.01 in June? To be honest, too late... im looking for a6700 or fx30
The green box is a lie! That's honestly my biggest gripe. Not only can't the camera do continuous subject detect focus consistently (in my experience, even on subjects sitting still), but it lies about it. Hard to trust the tool when it lies to you.
Sounds liek I am going back to using single point AF
The green lying box gave me aids
Yes, I do agree with green box!
@@Iamtongue might as well get a dslr from 2008. The af-s is more reliable on those lol
this is sadly true...
Before Fujifilm constantly increase the prices of cameras and lenses, they should first deliver reliable products that correspond to the current technical standards.
They would if they could. Realistically, they are just incapable due to incompetency. Let's just accept it after years of fixing, but still not being able to provide a reliable focusing.
I really do hate when the fanboys say, “ you just don’t know how to set up the AF, you have the wrong settings “. Why do I need to dive deep into the menu and spend hours tweaking and experimenting on each setting? On my Canon, I put it in the mode I want and it works like 90% + of the time. I’ve never tweaked any AF setting on my canon r6
Well said. When I was using the fuji, I've to constantly put myself on high alert mode when shooting important events such as wedding and baptism. Because in the past, my fuji lost focus on important moments. It was very easy on a6000 made me felt like I was cheating (after switching from dslr) before I switched to fuji and it is also very easy on the R6 and R6II that I'm using now. Never the need to deep dive into menu to change AF settings for different scenario. They just work.
Exactly!!! It shouldn’t be this hard! Something that I can use straight out of the box.
I just play with xt4 my friend camera today street photo the result night and day for movement subject compare to my a9 I though I never interest in fuji anymore
Totally agree with this. I've recently come back to photography and trialed a few systems before ultimately going with an X-H2. I like the camera, I like their colour science, and I just preferred it over the others I trialled. However, the Sony A7iv straight out the packet pretty much had telepathic AF. I did nothing other than stick it in eye tracking. It dared me to try and unstick it. It just wouldn't let go.
The Fuji on the other hand has two issues:
1. As expertly demonstrated here, even though the box says it's locked on the face/eye, when you review the shot it's actually focused somewhere/something totally different.
2. Sometimes halfway through tracking, and with no reason, it drops the face and the box moves to (try) and focus on something that is definitely not a face, eye, or anything vaguely similar!
Sort it out Fuji. I way prefer your cameras to Sony, but your AF game definitely needs improving!
I have had xh2s since release and it’s always been totally shit for photos. Images are always super soft from missing critical focus. I only use Fuji for video now as the original xh2s firmware seemed to be ok for video but now they are just expensive paper weights. Was contemplating a gfx100ii/xt5 combo for weddings but not now. Also under the same heat conditions my xt3s will record allgood but the xh2s will overheat.
Thanks for speaking on our behalf......Fuji should stop making cameras and focus on their autofocus.
It looks like it’s not just simple fix, probably bad software and badly maintained so now it’s easier to write it from scratch than fix. Unfortunately business has to go on and doing this from scratch is very expensive and time consuming.
@@zenstoodi When they fix it, it will benefit them more than us. I love Fujifilm because of their colours, and I do not have any intention of changing systems
@@asafoadjei1 sure but for now photography division was for Fuji more like “hobby” than big business (maybe except Instax). After X100vi success they could invest more but I am not sure they will.
Interesting. Recently in my tests, I also find that the camera has A LOT of issue to AF especially when you have flowers or leaves around the subject, which can sometime be problematic. For those kind of shots, I just disable the subject detection all together to work around... but yeah, they really need to improve this. Get some engineers from other companies and get your AF system at the same level, that should not be such a big deal Fuji...
Good point!
Couldn't agree more with how frustrating this is. My iPhone photos look sharper more often because of how Fuji constantly just misses by a little - even with stationary subjects. Shooting with the XS-20 and the fuji 18-55mm f2.8-4.
Yes, I have an amazing hit rate with my iPhone!
Can we create a Patreon for you wife please? You got her out there zig zagging, dogging tree leaves & sun rays, holding "Help Me" signs, it's a sad look. We won't stand for this! lol
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@@edvard2942 Hi Ed, Love your Autofocus video too!
@@POW.CREEPER Thanks,Gonna post today a new one :D we should do a patreon for my girlfriend too haha
@@edvard2942 LOL! FORGOT YOU GOT HER TOO! Where do you guys find these women, I cant even point my camera to my wife without her giving me the death stare lol - PROPS!
Absolutely spot on. I love Fuji but autofocus is just awful. This needs to change.
Reliable autofocus is one thing. But overall reliability? Fuji definitely needs to work on that.
agreed
Lol the way you spoke about Fuji today, I did not expect that from one of the biggest fuji supporters. But it is refreshing to hear this because it is annoying missing AF shots. The XH2s is a great quality camera but when shooting video and I miss shots I am tempted to buy a sony or lumix.
We all should buy a Sony... Thats what happens when a brand does not work on real improvements... And main and basics things we all need..
@@jcar4522 I hear y'all but remember Sony's got firmware problems too and they also deprecate features just like the best of them. This whole industry is trash
... the dilemma with going to Sony or Lumix is that you may have to spend much more to get better rolling shutter performance and more fps in both mechanical and electronic shutter. On paper X-H2s should destroy anything near its price-point, but its AF performance is its Achilles' heel!!!
@@GrayGhostDog1 preach. I'm a person that owns essentially a body in every system and I can tell you it's a frustrating prospect waiting for someone to come out with just that right camera. In fact, to be perfectly honest with you, I think a whole bunch of people put AF plus MF override. And actually the 1.0 and 2.0 software were actually really good on the xh2s, 3.0 was okay too, And apparently 5.0 was okay for some stuff as well. But yeah, it's just a frustrating prospect. I think with the point to touch functionality they're shoehorning in starting with some of the stuff at the gfx level, it set themselves back
@@haloboy456 ... I agree. When Nikon released the Z8 it was the closest thing to the hybrid camera I would possibly consider, but I'm not a full-frame snob so I try to find the most feature-rich hybrid cameras for the money. IMHO, Sony's shortcomings gets glossed over most likely because of their AF performance... had both the A7SIII and A7IV and they, too, had several shortcomings.
Hopefully, Fujifilm gets their AF performance up to the standards that it appears the majority of individuals out there require.
I've felt the same way since I bought the XT5. I shoot a lot of weddings and couple sessions, and I realized that when objects move quickly, the result is a lot out of focus. I thought it was just a firmware issue, but after I updated it, it looks the same, no change I feel. I was surprised because the green box seemed to work fine on my camera's lcd. But the results after I checked on the computer were out of focus. Even when I took a picture where the object was not moving, it was still out of focus! Even though the green box looked in focus! After I watched this video, I was convinced to sell my XT5 as soon as possible.
I just shot a Muay Thai tournament and had to spray and pray with AF Tennis mode and I had similar rate. Green box 100% bang on, but 50% on focus using the 16-55. Crazy.
Shit it’s not just me then!
@@Iamtongue I was in release mode because of the action. I wonder if I had used Focus mode for a few of the fights if I would have seen more hit? Were you in release or focus for the test?
@@brendon-t no, it sucks as well. Just take your chances on release, focus priority just gives you less shots
@@Iamtongue for sure its not only you, as a fuji wedding videographer I go to weddings wondering how the camera is going to performance at that wedding, specially talking about AF... I ALWAYS wonder myself why tf i picked Fuji over sony... I need a reliable camera for a profesional work...Thats something Fuji should think about if they dont want people going to other companies...
@@Iamtongue June firmware has a fix supposedly. That was fast for Fuji.
Glad this is finally getting some more attention.
I bought the X-H2 early last year, and sold it after 3 months because the AF is nearly unusable if you want to capture any action. Fuji really needs to up their game, they're dead last by a mile in this regard.
Never believe reviewers, always check forums for complaints, that's what I learned from this purchase.
I'm very happy with the Z8 I got to replace my Fuji.
Your credibility is skyrocketing, appropriately, due to your honest assessment of Fuji's AF. I'm a Fuji fanboy, and I'm not looking to jump ship, so I very much appreciate you using your platform to speak on our behalf. Btw, my X-T5 XF 150-600 AF seems to be worse after the most recent firmware (3.01), it was decent, but not great, on the previous firmware.
Ah this is good to know, so I won’t update
I have noticed a similiar problem with my XH2S. AF feels spotty where I get the green box on the head or eyes. Instead of them being in focus, I get something completely different. Even for a brief moment during filming, the focus will jump to the background instead of the subject.
Its a valid criticism. I don't expect Fuji to have Sony's or Canon's AF but it should be expected to do better than a 50% hit rate. If not firmware updates, then their next processor needs to vastly improve upon AF.
Very interesting video, thanks for all the tests and sharing. I’ve been a Fuji user since X-T2, and currently use X-T5 as my go to photography gear. Mostly like to do street and environmental portraits for hobby, but also use it for taking shots of my toddlers. I really love the tactile aspect of Fuji cameras, it feels much more engaging than when I was using other brands back in the days. I personally haven’t had much issue with hit rates (even with my kids running around), but I’m also not doing that long of a continuous auto focus shots. I just go for the eye detect with short bursts if they are stationary, or AFC with lower Aperture (say F2.8 vs. 1.4) with face detect if they are running around. But yes, I don’t rely on it if AF accuracy and dependability is a priority, which is what I desire when shooting video. For that, I’ve been using the Sony ZV-E1, and it’s been a great addition. I also use Leica M6 and MP for shooting film when I really want to slow things down and also long for that genuine film look. I think at the end of the day, it’s a function of what your use case is, and finding the most suitable gear for it.
Hi @Iamtongue
Thanks for the video. Do you also have these problems with the X-H2s? Is it better?
I’m happy with Fuji. I see how frustrating it can be but I shoot still or slow moving stuff. I’m very happy with what I have in the X-T5 and how it performs.
Thanks for making this video. Lots of work! I love my xt5 and been shooting this brand for 8 years and yes AF has always been an issue.
i just hope this new firmware coming out by the end of hte month is good... ahha
Thank you for you video. Question do you feel the XH2 and XH2s perform the same?
In theory the XH2s should perform better because of the stacked sensor… but I don’t trust Fuji at the moment
Allow me to help, it’s worse…
This was one of the issues why I switched from Fuji to the Nikon ZF. Yes I'm losing compactness and the aperture ring on the lenses but the Nikon's AF and Low Light performances perform way over Fuji. I still love Fuji and still hold an X100V but trying to get that consistent AF was not doing it with Fuji. It's disheartening because Fuji is known to have AF issues and still haven't improved to some degree.
Great Job! I appreciate your honesty instead of just going with the flow and pointing out what Fuji can do better! Forget brand loyalty, If they charge top dollar they should at least compete with the others!
Truth of the matter firmware can only fix so much. Nikon learned this and created a whole new processor for the Z9, Z8 and Zf. Firmware got the gen 1 Zs to respectable autofocus, but not even close to the current gen AF. Fuji need to work on the hardware.
I have heard that fuji processor is still a generation behind the competition
hope not. I will not invest any longer into false promises. I had the X-T1 and X-E2, the X-T3 and X-e3 (still have the later but need a replacement because of the AF) and now the X-T5. Plus replaced most of the gen1 lenses with the newer versions. Because marketing and YTers told me so. I am done with more investment. They have to fix this on this chip.
I respectfully disagree with this. You can refer to Edvard's video comparing the AF between a 10 years old Sony a6000 against Fuji XH2s. Even thought a6000 wasn't perfect in every situation, it performed significantly better than the XH2s that has much newer and advanced processor. czcams.com/video/K0ub7poyQPA/video.html
With Fuji, it was never the hardware, it was always the AF algorithmn, or to be more precised, their coder.
@apamacam4838 this is where you are incorrect. If it was software, it would have been corrected. Nikon had a more recent processor and it still didn't compare. The processor sucked. Nikon went back to the drawing board and created a whole new processor and whoever the engineers were, there were better engineers wren they created the next processor. Fuji just has bad engineers.
I don’t use the tracking often so maybe that’s why I don’t have these problems too often. I’m usually in AF-S/C using single point or zone. I think those work pretty well. I don’t wanna throw the whole AF under the bus, but it does need work. I don’t know the full specs of what the new generation processor is supposed to handle and can handle, but I do wish the updates came faster. Maybe they need to update the lens firmwares too when they’re rolling out new af algorithms.
Well made video tongue. Love how systematic and objective the video is
Thanks for watching ☺️
@@Iamtongue yw! I love Fuji color science and the film sims but really having unreliable auto focus - most especially for video is very concerning for me at the price point - makes me regret not getting the a7iv or s5iix instead. Im down if Fuji completely revamps their af algorithm. Or even get someone from Sony R&D to at least bring their AF at par with Sony’s. 🙏🏻🙈📸
Also great vid!! And appreciate your attention being brought to this 👍👍
No problem!
I personally refuse to buy any Fuji cameras until I see drastic improvement of auto focus, I am holding on to XT3 still. Sony and Panasonic are technology companies Fuji is cameras and health care manufacturers.
How does the X-H2 compare to the X-T5 on the same tests? Any thoughts?
They're just the same..
Should be the same since XT5 has the same processor and sensor in a smaller body. THE XH2 buffer is better though, so you have a higher chance of getting more in focus because it lasts longer.
Fuji cameras are fun but with the price tags rising on their basic offerings you would expect better than 50% hit rate.
I agree!
Never updated mine. Mine seems to be good so far.
Please tell me did you test with Release/Focus Priority set to Focus or Release?
I can not comment on your experience, but I have mine set to focus, and as per Fuji -
Focus is prioritized over shutter response. Pictures can be only taken when the camera is in focus.
I recreated the test with an X-T5 and got a hit rate higher than you around 80% , however this is not a shooting mode I use .
I use AFC (but only when a subject is moving) but in single shot never CH or CL as I don't need 30 photos of the same thing (and I'm never in a position where I can not just retake it).
But yes Fuji have work to do to catch up with everyone else, but I am not swapping the fuji colours for 120FPS all in focus but clinical looking photos.
Trick is to know the limitations of your tools, and if AFC and CH shooting is important, the best fuji has is the X-H2s but you then lose resolution...
What I would say that Fuji is much better at tracking people when the eye is clear and wide open (not great with glasses on if eyes are squinting e.g. sun in them) I quite often put the focus point on the eye if the camera is having an issue.
You are right though, it is always when the subject is small the camera struggles hit rate is near 100% when the subject is more in frame (closer to camera)
Yes I have and it's not any better...
@@Iamtongue Do you have an X-H2s to test?
also i edited my post :)
I'd be interested to see if it is the slow readout of the sensor in the X-T5 or if the autofocus algorithms in the X Processor 5... If the X-H2s nails autofocus it is the slow sensor
@@9Mtikcus I don’t have an XH2s anymore.
I don't want to give any advice because i can't. I don't have much experience 😄But what about the performance "boost" mode in all the fujifilm cameras menu, which is set to "normal" by default? Does it make any difference in performance? I've always wondered what this setting is doing. People are not talking about it in camera reviews 🤔
Mine was always on BOOST. Didn't help.
Thank you (and Hilary) for your efforts, they are much appreciated by the community.
These tests are some of the first tests I do (with my kids) when I try new cameras or lenses. I can confirm that with previous f/w iterations and favourable glass, an average hit rate of around 70-75% for z axis targets on the XH2S. Your findings here cement further evidence that the most recent f/w release from Fujifilm has SIGNIFICANTLY broken the AF reliability under a plethora of situations (regardless of lens used). XH2S at 6.00, XH2 at 4.0 and XT5 at 3.01 are all suffering consistent reported AF failings.
It's one thing for Fuji to balls up momentarily, it's quite another to stay quiet on the matter, allow more users to 'upgrade' their cameras and further nuke their tech.
FUJIFILM, PULL DOWN THIS F/W, PATCH IMMEDIATELY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Curious what the Nikon ZF is in same test. I have used Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus (film) Fuji is way behind all 3 in my opinion on autofocus. Do love using the X-T5 it’s usability. Like you said I shoot street mostly and zone focus so I never notice the issue. When I did an event with AF-C hit rate was garbage.
It seems gets into balancing internal camera resources which they can only fix.
I almost think it’s something like the resources/footprint of running that great looking back display is leeching resources from the AF.
Probably something where Fujifilm would have to decide to take a different PR hit drop the resolution the back display or elsewhere to allocate adequate resources/memory to the AF.
It just seems like the cameras that are good at AF have less than stellar back displays, but it’s just a guess on my part.
Did you have the boost mode enabled? May seem obvious, but I had a similar problem and was sure I had it enabled, but then realised weeks later I did not. My hit rate went up after I enabled it
No i didnt have boost enabled because it will drain my battery. And this just brings another issue of the Fujifilm system is there are too many reports out there that "may" help with your autofocusing. When they should just make everything work all at once, instead of having all these excuses, like settings, lenses, and boost mode etc. It doesnt make sense.
This is such a useful video. I am not in the Fuji system, but I almost was. When I was deciding what to get into, I liked many things about Fuji, but was worried about autofocus. I found no video like this then. Most reviewers were saying that it's practically on par with Sony, only small differences. In the ended it kind of didn't feel right to me, but a clear video like this would have saved me a lot of agonizing in my decision :)
Hi, Tongue.
I turn Pre-AF on(as a rule) when using continuous so I can get better hit rates.
Not sure if it will make a difference, but give it a go.
I turn on Pre-AF with AF-S and find that I get more keepers in point and shoot scenarios.
@@shy-guy5544 It works just as well on AF-S ,however it disables the Focus Zoom which I use a lot on AF-S
It is not the point of the video
what do you recommend if not getting xt5 for street photography/ttravel?
Sony fx30, Sony 7cii, Sony a6700, Sony Sony Sony 😂 just kidding (maybe not 😢), if you are looking for a travel camera, xt-50, xs-20. I still love my xt4 for that
Bro! I couldn’t take it anymore… sold my X-T5 and thought I’d try out the X-H2… did the update and the autofocus was still bullshit. Anyways, went and bought a Sony A7RV two days ago and it’s incredible. Even the A7IV was fantastic. I feel bad about jumping ship but my workflow is soooo much better.
For me sony a7rV still slow compare to a9 but it better than fuji ofcouse
Hi Tongue! Thanks for making this video. I just had a fashion editorial shoot yesterday and I noticed that my walking shots were mostly out of focus. I couldn't understand why? You're right all last night I was considering switching brands. Hope they fix this issue. Apparently you can not rollback firmware updates. Hopefully Fuji will address this issue quickly. Thanks so much!
I've avoided the tracking mode since getting into Fuji because of all of that's been said on CZcams. Therefore, I've never really tested it haha, but I can understand why it would be annoying, particularly if you need the eye tracking to work reliably.
I shoot mostly sports/action photography and videography since getting the X-T4 a year ago. I always use single point or zone in continuous mode for photos and the hit rate has been great. For video, i use multi mostly because for surfing using F8 or higher means the depth of field ensures i never really have a problem with the autofocus. If the subjects are closer it's probably 50/50 between area and multi, depending on the aperture and light and it's been fine for me.
Overall, I think you're good if you use single point or zone with the relevant AF mode (at least with my camera anyway). It would be nice if Fuji's tracking could be reliable (especially if the other brands are continuing to improve fast), but when it comes to sports photography, most CZcams videos I've seen still recommend using the single point continuous anyway, even with a mirrorless Canon for example. Therefore, for my needs I'm really happy with it.
Wow, this made me feel better. The green box is doing the right thing and the hype was they’d finally fixed the AF and I was still getting weird shots - I am not the most experienced photographer, I thought it was me doing something wrong!
Nah, its not you, its Blurryfilm
This video is gold! Appreciate you collecting data and bringing it public. I have an X-T5 and X-H2s and can attest to the poor auto focus. I still enjoy my cameras will keep them. Thanks for keeping it real and trying to drive change.
After owning several Fujifilm cameras XE-4, XT3 andXT5 I finally so fed up with the poor autofocus (shooting my Grandkids and my dog) I bought a Sony A7CII which has been brilliant - brilliant video by the way 👏👏
Speaking facts! Hopeful that more youtubers who actively use Fuji cameras to call them out on this. Hey Fuji, how about you take those massive profits you're getting from the X100 cameras and go poach some engineers from Sony or Canon or hell even Nikon.
Fuji had better fix this by 6th gen. Or get left completely in the dust. My x100vi might be my last body from fuji (also own x-h2)
This is very much what I got from the A7iv shooting sports in spot tracking : great tracking in the EVF and random focusing. The solution was to use zone (about half of the sensor) or fixed spot (best). You may have similar options.
I have tried all settings without any satisfactory improvement. But thanks for the tip
Great suggestions but no settings change help with this AF problem. I've tried them all since the X-H2S came out and also since the X-T20, X-H1, and X-T4. I REALLY know my way around Fuji and nothing helps appreciably, and sadly.
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I've only been in photography for a short time, but don't you think that the AF fails you a lot due to that extreme 1.4 aperture? Set the aperture to 5.6 or 8 and you will see that it focuses 90% of the photographs.
Good point
Technology trumps skill, quality, and knowledge, that's "progress."
this is so true ... i finally got tired of this as well. i came to the conclusion around 3->4 /10 times the auto focus would fail. I thought it was just me, or the product was faulty ... but now after seeing your video i am convinced. I am a X-E3 + 18-55 XF 2.8-4 lens
Ya it’s not you man.. it’s fujifilm
I can relate. I was using Sigma 56mm, and I got nearly 50% of shots out of focus on a portrait session. then I detached auto focus and shot on Kamlan 50mm 1.1, mitakon 35mm 0.95, and recently Sirui 50mm anamorphic on MF mode and I'm more satisfied now, if its out of focus then I'm the one to blame. this is improving my skill as well
On point!
Thanks
You bet!
Thought I might switch from the X-E4 to the XS20 for the better battery and AF. Do prefer the X-E4 form factor and not so sure now that the AF is worlds apart between the two.
is canon, nikon and sony ASP-C autofocus as bad as Fujis? or much better? if better, then its not a sensor size related issue , but more about the software.
A6700 and FX30 AF is 99% realiable (Eye focus too). Blurryfilm, 10%. Its not the sensor :S
All these firmware updates but it really feels like when they are improving something they are making something else worse... unpredictable and we have to use workarounds.... One question: were you using widetracking? I think I have read that multi or area work better as the widetracking option is really for object tracking... doesn't make sense as the face/eye detect should override the mode but curious if it really makes a diff.
I was using wide tracking yes.
Man I feel you on this. As someone who's spent the $2k for the H2S and the $1.5k or so for the 150-600 for wildlife. I'm extremely disappointed that even though you get such good tracking with the box. The actual hit rate is abysmal and misses way too much. And this isn't talking birds in flight. A bird sitting in a branch should be easy to focus onto lol.
EDIT: Also idk what it is. But firmware 6.00 somehow made things even worse. I wish I could revert back.
Recently with my XT3 and 33mm f1.4 I noticed that it missed when the main subject was in the shade.
Has it ever been addressed why there are 6 different settings that the end user has to tinker with instead of just one auto focus that incorporates all the different scenarios into it? I don't shoot Sony or Canon so maybe you know....Do they also have all these different auto focus custom settings or does the auto focus just....auto detect and work?
Thanks for this. Using an older xe3 and about 1/2 the shots are out of focus. Thought it was me, but likewise the green box says it’s focussing on the face but then it’s the ears or the shirt. Was gonna update to the xh2 but I think I might look elsewhere.
Word! 🙌🏼
My feeling with autofocus does not change after your video. I bought the x-t5 knowing that the af is not at same level of other main brands, because it is more important for me the ergonomics, size, and lower cost of lenses w.r.t. the af in sport photography.
But yes, an improvement would be very appreciated, given that according to the results of your tests (ear often in focus) the prediction of focus point seems to be the real problem.
To be honest, it's the false positives/false confirmations that infuriate me. I can live with slow AF as long as green AF indicator/box really means = focus nailed.
@@krio. exactly just dont lie to the user.
There is also a bug with all manual Voigtlander lenses. The EXIF data is wrong when you set it at the largest aperture. For example, it registers f22 instead of f1.2 ...
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Thank you for this video. I shoot with that Canon R6 mark 2 and the Fujifilm X-S10. I enjoy shooting with the Fujifilm when I what to slow down. The Canon is for everything else. I did not upgrade the Fujifilm for this exact reason. Fujifilm definitely needs to work on the AF, film simulation dial on the camera was a miss.
I've got a H2s with the same problem. It looks like it's locked on the bird's eye, but it is not in focus.
Does the green box lie on the x-h2s as well? 😔
I think so 🙂↕️
Yes, it lies. Green box is accurate but the results are not. Out of focus. Selling mine. 6.01 is out and doesnt fix anything. Goodbye Blurryfilm
I’ve been experiencing soft focus on my X-T5 as well even when the green box confirms focus. The latest firmware seems to have made things worse. Thank you for creating these tests. I’m not satisfied with what we are getting and I agree that excessive tweaking should not be required to achieve consistent focus. There are so many things that I love about the X-T5 but autofocus is not one of them. I’m waiting for them to get this right but my patience is running out.
My biggest gripe with fujifilm, is the IBIS, AF, and the exposure shift when you zoom. If they could fix that, it would have been ALMOST the perfect camera🤗
How does it compare to doing it manual like in past. Yes auto great but sometimes old ways are better ,yes slower as well.
If you're gonna manual focus, i would just tell you to go buy a second hand fujifilm camera, and not get the xt5 and waste your money.
Appreciate the honest review. Sony camera(s) owner here. Just received shipment of Fujifilm X-S20 and waiting on X100vi. Always enjoyed the tell it as it is style of Iamtongue.
Why do you need these 2 cameras? Just put a 23mm f2 on the XS20 and you have the same result
@@testyep5031 Ordered the X100VI first on 3/23/24 (still waiting delivery). if X-S20 worked out may cancel the X100VI order. Given how long the delivery time is do not want to regret canceling the order.
If he wants 2 cameras let him have it haha nothing wrong with that
I am glad i came across this video. I shoot full frame but hate having to use large lenses so I was going to switch to APSC with Fuji XT5 but might lean towards a Sony 6700.
I have a Sony a6700 for review and I honestly love how reliable it is. Except the Sony colors are horrible still lol
Did you turn the AF+MF off? That seems to make the biggest difference for me.
How so?
@@Iamtongue the consistency goes up. It is stupid and should not make a difference but it is noticable. When I upgraded my XT-5 firmware to the 3.01 it turned this back on and it was a noticable step back until I realized it and turned it back off. It is still not 100% and I completely agree with you that Fuji needs to focus on this. Pun intended. I have not done a dedicated test to pinpoint this but I will try. I will try and post a video if I can get the time to. As long as you promise to watch. Lol
@@fuelediowa ya I’ll watch. Just @ my user name in your description so I can get a notification about it.
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Yes, I also turned this off!
@@simon359 do you think this helps as well?
Speaking truth.
I do agree, thanks for mentioning. I want to add another big problem, the EVF coating of some of the XT5, XH2 and XH2s. Have you already heard about that? Seems it affects the cameras from beginning/summer last year.
Really..? What seems to be the problem with it?
I absolutely love so much about Fuji cameras: their glass, the tactile feel, the colors including the log video, but I don't want to be a beta tester for their terrible firmware, and their video image stabilization is the worst in the industry and so is their autofocus. Still subjects? Great, no problems. But it's not feasible to use for sports, wildlife, pets, even pictures of your kids. And vlogging or FPV video? Need a gimbal. I very sadly left them for Lumix/Canon and was re-evaluating now a few years later, but nothing has changed. Now Lumix has Real Time LUTs, Canon has custom picture profiles that are basically LUTs, and even Sony has Picture Profiles which are much less user-friendly and a bit less flexible, but all three can get a certain "Film Sim" look SOOC. I actually have a custom Classic Neg look for JPEGs on both my Canon and Lumix cameras and it's awesome when I just want something nice and easy SOOC. And I get great image stabilization, autofocus, modern user interface, etc.
So... am I going to get better AF-C performance if I stayed with the previous firmware?
according to other ppl previous firmware is better
@@Iamtongue the bug is such a low level mistake. Makes me wonder if the research staff in Fujifilm had actually tested the firmware before launch. This kind of serious compromise in performance shouldn't be hard to spot.
@@-ksw- I agree. Someone shit the bed at Fuji headquarters, their Quality assurance department should be fired lol
@@Iamtongue let's hope Fujifilm would fix this bug when they launch the summer update with reala ace.
I've had Fuji for over a decade, last with the X-H2S. Firmware 6 was the last straw. I've had the LM lenses, and used every setting imaginable. It doesn't help at all. I am realistic and love almost every other thing except what the X-H2S hung it's hat on, AF. The Fuji apologists will attack you if you dare say anything to indicate that they aren't the best at anything. Quite ridiculous really. I try an R6MII with a crappy lens, no AF setup at all, and in the first few minutes everything was in perfect focus for moving targets. Fuji promises but continues to underdeliver. I am not brand loyal to anything at all and really did not want to leave Fuji, but they wouldn't fix what I wanted from a camera.
Bro - that shirt is dope.
Thanks for your honesty. Liking and commenting to signal boost. We shouldn't have to play around with multiple settings to squeeze a couple more hits out of Eye AF. Autofocus is the only thing holding Fuji back from being the best cameras out there, imo
Really interesting, thank you for that. I'm using an X-T5 entirely for stills with a collection of the recent LM primes and the 50-140mm, and I always end up with some disappointing misses. This is usually me trying to capture a rampaging two year old, so I can cut it some slack there, but I've definitely also taken stationary shots using eye AF that have been off just enough to spoil a portrait. I'd rather miss the shot than have a false positive green box. I find that infinitely more annoying than a failure to track movement.
My biggest problem, however, is not having a benchmark to judge this against. I came to Fuji after a decade or so out of the game, previously having used a Canon DSLR - anything in the mirrorless world would have impressed me! So, I'd love to see this repeated side-by-side with the best from Sony etc. I suspect that would be more likely to grab Fuji's attention...
Thanks for this. I kept missing focus too frequently and couldn't for the life of me get it right. Thought I just sucked as a photographer, but it seems my issue is just trying to use a sub par face detection autofocus.
When in playback mode you can tap the display button then up on d-pad to see extended info. The small preview in top left will show you where the AF system focused with a ‘+’ crosshair.
I agree though, the AF is almost there but the latest firmware broke something.
For moving targets it was always broken.
Completely agreed with you. From all Fuji defenders you will hear that you have to change settings, you are using wrong lens, you have to switch this and change that... NO, we all have to admit that their AF is completely messed up... I have 3 FUJI camera bodies but I am not using them professionally fortunately. X-S10 AF is a shit, xt3 is ok for photos, X-s20 better but we have 2024 and those new cameras should have no issues, especially after last upades... but I am scared to update my X-S20 because of last fuji update which cempletely destroyed AFC and tracking in X-h2s and X-H2. It is just crazy because they did not even say anything about fixing it on last summit. It seems like fuji doesn't even care about camera users who already bought their products... just releasing tons of new cameras with shitty AF... for what? For who? Fuji should stop releasing and start fixing...
Like they've got the boxes right on the eyes but it did not tell the lens motor to reach that focus point. like it git there late.
Is there the same issue with the x-t50?
I hope not.
Same on my X-H2s. Can’t even track a standing bird since the newest firmware.
For some reason doing portrait shoots works fine. Although I found that it works better by setting the af priority from shoot to focus. Seems like it doesn’t even care focussing correctly with the shoot setting.
But you are right. Their AF needs to get better. Ot was good and some point of time but got worse and worse
Hypothetically , when would a possible new processor come out to address autofocus?
Thank you! Spot on, perfectly said to hopefully wake up someone in Japan!
Green box on the eye, focus on somewhere else…
I’m not a video shooter so was happy with Fuji’s autofocus five years ago, and I’m still happy with it today.
then buy old cameras, whats the point on justifying old technology?
I bought the xt5 because i wanted to have a cam that does minimal editing since the look is baked in (film sims). However i noticed that the af was not as good compared to my first cam - canon r50. I thought that by upgrading to the xh2s things will change drastically since its a stacked sensor - but the af improvement was minimal. In video, same results as yours - i was just walking on an average pace across the camera and it couldn’t stick to me. It was hunting a lot 😢
I’ve always used Zone with face detection since as far as xt2. Still use it on xt5. Can you retest using largest zone with face/eye detect and continuous af. Only use zone. Don’t use the entire sensor area
How is this working for you? Feels like its working for me.
@@ishysamaniego5880 Zone is the only way yo go on a Fuji if you want continouis autofocus that works.
Thx for this brutal and honest test and opinion. You gained in my eyes😎 same as Edvard, another CZcamsr who has ball to criticize Fujifilm AF-C in public.
Look at dpreview in Fujifilm section. Seems like You started quite a hot topic 😅
You will find my comments in there, so I will not repeat myself in here.
Gray job with this video, and again - big THX for being honest and bravery!
Do you have your camera set to focus priority or release priority for continuous shooting in these tests?
What was shutter, aperture, and OIS settings?
Nothing beats Sony and Canon (R5/R3) in their AF game. At this point they are in a different league.
Exactly
Thank for making this video. Too many Fuji content makers seem to be very quiet about this..... I actually think the AF performance in the xt5 is worse than in my xt3......
I have same problem, the focus sometimes out of focus when i shoot event job
100% agree
Thanks for calling out Fuji!
I think you should do another video showcasing the most trivial AF-S focusing fails on stationary objects using a wide angle lens in contrasty light. The focus will jump around by repeatedly pressing the focus button, showing that getting critical focus is a game of luck in that case. To showcase that you can turn the distance scale on in the EVF. This is one of the main issues, that still too few people have noticed, but is definitely mentioned here and there in forums. For simple everyday shots this is the main cause for soft images.
So: AF-S, stationary object/scene, sunlight, focus box size does not matter. The wider the lens the worse it seems. I haven’t tested anything longer than 35mm… check it out yourself🙏🏼
I used to think Leica had the worse af but I just got the Leica Q3 and the af has improved. It is similar to my X100VI. I think the X100VI is still slightly better in some conditions
Barely over 50% at best. I’ve literally given up trusting Fuji to nail a wet eyeball shot. I now use A7Cii and X100V for casual ..when I’m ok missing eye AF.
A7Cii & 35mm 1.4 GM is bonkers for shots where I HAVE to have legit AF.
Thank you for showing this. It’s truth.
My a7cii with my 50 f1.4 gm doesn’t miss! Hardly ever!!
@@Iamtongue it’s money.