I think the idea is… ok but yeah it’s boring. I think it’s meant to be a way to speed up one’s progression for new playthroughs (because some of the new playthrough grind is a bit of a slog) but it just fizzles cause those parts are not long and are later on in a playthrough *cough* sawtooth *cough*
Great concept but carried on for so long that... well its just simply showing its age Its a 12 year old system carried across like 3 new borderlands titles across 10 years
I think it's okay but I feel like it could have been better I wish they made a free DLC for all the borderlands games including tiny Tina's assault on dragon keep stand-alone game and wonderland where it adds a new character that stands next to the golden chest and he can sell you golden keys for eridium (money if you're playing on borderlands 1) the more you buy from him the more expensive it gets but if you wait a while it'll die down or just save and quit, the character could be a mysterious character like the merchant from resident evil 4 or xul from destiny!
Currently playing a mod called Rebalands for Borderlands 3 and it removes the golden keys, instead requiring 250 eridium to roll and I feel like that's much more fair.
I think 50 or may even 75 feels a lot more fair, I would probably make it so its more expensive the farther youre in the normal mode playthroug and it caps after defeating the warrior, lets say 25 when youfirst get to sanctuary and 75+ after warrior.
I remember there being a way to dupe golden keys in bl3 due to how you get the keys. I went from no keys go one hundred and as long as i had it tied to my shift account I could use they keys on any game.
absolutely, the fact they're rarely released, alongside the fact that the loot you get is meh at best which in BL2 is often overshadowed by other weapons or just becomes useless after 3 levels. Theyre meant to be special but the loot just makes it not feel special at all, a single warrior kill gives better loot then 5 golden keys half the time just makes them feel so useless even for the most casual players.
If golden Key loot did something interesting, I might make it available in the pregame. So instead of your default loot you get a random item to tweak the early game, then you slot into the random number generator for the rest of the game. And if you are having terrible loot drops, you can go back to the start to grab something random and new. Ideally it should generate one item of each type, and you must choose just one item each round so you want a shotgun challenge? Go grab a new shotgun.
Golden keys were a good idea in concept, but it should have stayed only in borderlands 2, the loot is never worth anything, and most of the time it gets sold.
@HumanitysGrace you can farm them buy launching the game online, then going offline, claiming them through the mail, quot to menu and rejoin, and you can claim them again. I got 100s of golden and diamond keys that way.
I think they peaked in TPS, but that was only because the lack of dedicated drops and the reliance on the grinder. I remember using shift keys to get my purples to moonstone grind into legendaries. Not that purple loot isn’t findable in TPS, but the grinder is right next to the shift box thing in Concordia so it’s convenient!
funnily enough, key delivery terminal is bugged on EGS version. Each time you reload your game, all keys, that you redeemed before, reappear in that terminal again.
@@BioHazardAlBatrosIt's been a while but I think I had that bug on steam too. I definitely remember redeeming the weapons multiple times (the tales from the borderlands ones, I think)
For me the main problem with golden keys is that they’re limited by time and they’re profile based not character based. If golden keys were like eridium and sometimes dropped from enemies it would be completely fine and I would use them. The problem is that they are a limited resource that you have across all of your characters so even though I have a couple hundred in bl2 I’ll never end up using them since once they’re gone they’re GONE. If you use eridium to get the wrong sdu upgrade in bl2 early game it’s fine since there will always be more eridium. If you use a golden key and get something useless for your character then it’s just a waste of a golden key. It would be like saying that you have a limited amount of bunker kills ie 100 and you have to wait for gearbox to release a code to get more opportunities to farm him.
@@pw5687 not on pc. Either way I don’t think I’d do that because I think having unlimited purples whenever you want is cheating. I’m pretty sure there’s a glitch on console with duplicating saves but I’m not sure how it works.
@@elliotallison2570as joltz said, there are issues with this system. But I think being able to keep the keys to use on other characters is very useful. If the play through isn't going well, you can just grab 1 or 2 things. For example, it has been a great source of on-level snipers in my sniper only run until I get some good farms unlocked. I don't see how it's much different from farming tinder snowflake. I personally have no problem with it and I don't abuse the golden chest glitch, but if people don't like it then just ignore it or give the loot to your friends.
To me G Keys have 2 issues, the loot is bad, and they’re boring to obtain. An idea to fix them could be something like Make them good and let us know the odds, e.g. 10% chance to get a legendary, 1% chance to get a pearl #bringbackpearls 2nd, make acquisition fun, how many side missions go unplayed bc they don’t give anything? A LOT! Have it so they can get keys from missions AND they could throw shift codes our way. I could also go into a rant about how removing mission reward uniques could help a future game but I’ll save that for a different paragraph. 😂
I don’t play connected to the internet, so when I ran out of the keys that came with the GOTY edition of BL2 I started wishing I could just remove the chest from the game.
just redeem your keys while not connected to internet and every time you load back into the game your keys will be back to the amount you had. this works for all key types and gear given from codes
The only time I use golden keys is when I'm leveling up, and it's a good way to quickly grab on level gear, but after I reach max level I forget they exist. Also, I love the idea for a magic box.
Considering most players want to keep their playthroughs limited to that playthrough (like disabling BAR in BL2, or not using secret stash/safe), The only way that I'd consider them a good feature is if they're able to be equally available in every playthrough separately. I propose that they drop from in-game sources (rare world drops or raid boss kills, etc.) as well as from codes, so it would fit every playstyle. They're not gone and exhausted forever, and challenge playthroughs can still use them if they're obtainable in that challenge.
The Chaos Chamber actually would be a really good way to give rewards, I think. Forcing people to make a build that actually does damage or can survive a long time so they can earn their loot instead of literally sitting and waiting for another real person to decide to tweet something. Especially since, like the diamond key chamber, you have more control over what you get. While the gold key is entirely random, the others let you pick from a kind of selection, with the Chaos chamber even letting you completely control what kind of gear it is.
3:58 the free loot argument is the same is "you should wet your socks, it's easy and free" "why should i do that?" "it's easy and free" there's just no reason to hit it unless your strongest gun is like levels behind on a new playthrough
@@Fellkun i mean dahl makes 4 of the 6 different types of weapons. So you start with a 1 in 8 chance of getting a weapon type dahl makes. Then depending on the weapon type(pistols for example), you have another 1 in 8 on top to get the right manufacturer. So 1 in 64, not even counting the parts if you worry about it. Its just not great compared to farming a dedicated drop like an emperor. Which is a 1 in 5 from 4 different enemies that are easy to farm
@@sirkelendor5429 dude I'm almost done with the main story and I thought I could handle the lychwood,got frustrated,cried and then did a vladof moze run and it was beautiful
@@Fellkun thats nice? I dont really see how its relevant to the fact that golden chest loot isnt particularly useful at any point in the game when legendaries can be found EVERYWHERE and many of them(even the bad ones) will carry you through at least normal and tvhm
Those are some really good suggestions I used to be so enthusiastic about golden keys during borderlands 2 when I was struggling through the game, but once you get legendaries, it's not really worth it anymore.
I do like the challenge idea, my biggest issue with Keys now is they aren't great for those not chronically online, or having to sift through all the crap in your feed to find. They already have the news ticker on the main menu in 3, how about getting an intern to make shorts/ tik toks, they make a new one, click it in game to watch it and you get sent the key. Everybody wins. They get to monetize their presence and we get loot for watching.
I think randy is the one reason this game series have gone to what it is, sad case of hats trying something special, bl3 3 tales 2 and wonderlands, no graphics settings win bad story and other quarky shenanigans
I think i might have a cool Solution: Firstly get rid of the Codes but make the Golden Keys farmable like Seraph Crystals from the Raid Bosses, maybe 1-2 per Raid Boss Kill. Now, the Golden Keys can still be used for the Chest BUT what if they introduce a True Raid Difficulty where you have to pay 10 Golden Keys instead of Eridium and you could get guaranteed Pearl or Effervescent if they bring it back in BL4. Or you can use 20 or 50 for a Diamond Key.
This video reminded me to get golden keys... but anyway, yeah I agree, the keys could use a rework. Also, not ALL loot from the golden chest in Borderlands 2 is bad. I got this really good TEIDORE pistol that carried my friends and I through some of the earlier parts of the game. I'd just be constantly one-hitting the enemies with my OP arcing of my gun. It was really neat and fun, but it started to fall off when we got later in the story. I still have it but I'm prob just gonna chuck it in the bank and call it "Baby's First Dynamite" lol
Diamond armory but with a higher chance of getting diamonds keys. Say like 25% so every 4 times your guaranteed a diamond key. If you didn’t get one ealier than 4. But also could be more. I love the diamond key system I think it’s absolutely awesome and I look forward to going back to sanctuary and opening it up every time.
The challenge idea was fun, you could even set them weekly/monthly and get to choose from maybe a vendor machine your reward, earning currency for that vendor depending on how well you did, even better if they let the vendor let you roll mission rewards from a loot pool that updates maybey slightly slower than challenges are put out so you could accumulate 2 rounds worth of tokens Basically the bl3 black market vendor with bootleg tourge tokens
I'd like to see the Golden Keys as a physical item in the games, which can be dropped by any enemy with a rarity comparable to Pearls. Still keep the Shiftcode system, for those who want more, but add something that can give you excitement during the game. Maybe up the odds of golden keys on normal mode, where you are guaranteed to find at least 1 key during your run. With decreasing odds the harder the game gets.
They should create 'Golden Loot' which appears randomly and only in the chest. They could add new weapons every few weeks/months to give you a reason to come back.
The golden key chest has a real big problem, at the start it's op, but you will level up past those levels so you either get easy loot now or wait till itll be worth it, but if you wait it's not worth it because by then you'll already be getting purple weapons or even legendaries so it ends up just being an early game power boost
Borderlands is a game about grinding for awesome loot. I don't want to just type in codes for the game to do the fun part for me! The only times I've used them is when I'm playing with friends who don't play the game as much as me (so their tolerance for less interesting sidemissions or xp farming is lower), pushing our way through the story and everyone's gear feels a little underleveled - usually around the time you have to face The Bunker, due to the huge level jump in the story missions at that point. Getting a sudden burst of blues and purples feels super empowering, but I don't think I'd bother doing it when I'm playing on my own, especially not a high/max lvl character.
I would say every time you beat the game you get like 10-15 golden keys and 3 diamond ones, and you can earn more by doing challenges/completion/time. after you beat the game once next time you start the game it would say something like "you don't often play as the siren if you play as her and beat the game you will earn 3 more golden keys" or if the game takes 20 hours on average to beat if you beat in 15 you will earn an extra 5.
What you described for the challenge-boosted golden key concept sounds exactly like the Mimic in Old School RuneScape/RS3! It would be a fun way to upgrade your account and get some lewt ✨
I like the idea of the 'key' as a ticket to be a participant on a minigame game show like with the squid games examples you had. They have come close with other game shows like killavolt, the thanksgiving and torgue bl2 dlc and moxies underdome. It would be a great way to try out some different themes or styles of stuff like the ultraviolet or western thing.
to take your challenges idea a little further while still keeping what makes Diamond Keys better than Golden Keys (the fact it's a guaranteed legendary drop) have 3 tiers of missions with 2 mission types each, mobbing and bossing, easy guarantees 1 legendary from mobbing or the dedicated drop of a World Boss (any named enemy that doesn't have a true boss health bar), medium guarantees 2 from mobbing or the dedicated drop and 1 random legendary from an actual normal boss, and hard is 3 legendaries from mobbing or 3 dedicated drops from a Raid Boss, it still leaves normal farming open as an option and your main form of farming but gives those that aren't quite at the point where farming for parts and prefix matters as much a fairly rare source of guaranteed legendaries in the form of fighting easier things. the way these missions would work is that while it is your active mission it could apply a modified Shlooter effect while within the mission bounds. It would also make the early loot charting much easier for those that make those lists since it's revealing the dedicated gear of that boss even if slowly
This has always been also problem for me. Like sure I don't need them, but it's great to sometimes be rewarded, especially more in the early game, where the purples are still usable. And I completely agree with you and that's also really similar to how I wanted to solve the issue. I basically wanted something like the weekly challenges in BL3 with Vault cards. Because you're not limited to just one type of content. If it was locked to a defeating certain boss you could get bored by it pretty quickly or at least I would be. But if the challenge was defeat 300 enemies with Dahl Assault rifle, you could still do basically whichever content you want. You would by just limited in the how you beat the content. Which sometimes can lead you in discovering a cool stuff. Like when I did my 1st Dahl only playthrough in Borderlands 2(I believe)I picked up and used The Hail for the 1st time and since then it's one of my favourite unique weapons in series. So if the challenges were about how you play instead of what, I believe it could help both the newer players in trying something different with their build. And they would also be rewarded for it.
I think that the golden keys in the pre-sequel are the funniest thing to give out since you can just get infinite keys in your shift inbox (the thing directly across from the elevator to the meriffs office). Every time you relaunch the game you get a free skullmasher (on level) and like 20 keys. So giving out 5 keys for the game that gives you a infinite supply of them feels a lil silly to me.
The Golden Keys are great for there initial design. Get casual players subscribed to the Social Media Channel and incentify them to hop back into the game. However, this engagement isn't for players like you Joltz, as we would just go farm BOSS-XYZ to get ITEM-XYZ. Golden Keys should have an End Game purpose to make them valuable again. They could also be used as an alternative payment; 500 Eridium or 1 Golden Keys for the anoint reroll or raid boss payment (if they keep those hefty prices from BL3)(Yes, Rerolls was made better in TTWL). It's funny that you mention Chaos Chambers because when that was getting stale I suggested to GBX that they add different types of rooms. While I took small segments from the Guardian Takedown, I think your puzzle rooms could have also been a fun way to change up the Chaos Chambers.
There should be a daily challenge system in the next Borderlands where each day you can complete a challenge or group of challenges to gain access to a loot room. If you complete the daily challenges consistently through a week, your chance of rarer loot spawning increases each day. By the end of the week, you could have plenty of purple/legendary gear to choose from. I think 3-4 things for each visit would be adequate. Gives you a reason to keep doing the daily challenges every single day though 🤷♂️
When I first started playing it was a really fun system. I had a few rolls and i saved them for situations where I felt all my weapons no longer kept up with my level increase and needed something to kick start a new arsenal. Later on learning that you can’t get legendaries definitely made it less exciting. And it’s definitely not a system that’s amazing for long term players but I do think it’s great for new players and when a game first launches
Somebody mentioned one mod that changed the golden keys to eridium, there's another, Snowbound, that replaces it with 5 crystals (i forgot the name but they're pink). I think the golden keys were good in 2012. Every big developer was doing something similar at the time, Golden Keys were really just the ones that held up (since they still do them). I've never been a fan of these code things in games as it just introduces an additional hurdle to unlocking good things, plus the FOMO from codes that expired.
That sounds like a lot of fun. You could get keys by a rare drop from bosses. Have different types of keys, such as shield keys, relics (or whatever they call it in bl4), shotgun key, etc and each boss will only drop that type of key. Like, if you were farming Captain Flint, he has a tiny chance to drop a Pistol key which can drop any type of pistol which can be unique to the chest or legendries/pearls.
I kinda love your idea for golden keys, maybe Randy should be taking notes because these are golden ideas! I'm just imagining a selection of things we could tackle, so we don't have to do this one or that one, but any challenge, and if we complete it, a guaranteed legendary, if we do very good, another or maybe 2 more, and if we can't complete for the life of us, some random purples and blues... That sounds legit.
The issue you raise about them being boring I think is true, but I think the central part of that issue is the loot itself, not even the lack of a challenge. We need a guaranteed or at least very high chance of a legendary/pearl/seraph/red text (maybe 1 in 3) for it to be worth it imo. When you have a 1 in 10 legendary drop chance from just farming a boss once, the chest by definition has to be at least as rewarding as a boss to feel like it’s “worth it.” With how common keys are given out though (and how easy it is to basically have infinite on PC), I think adding a challenge is a great way to make the chests more fun at the same time, to make it fair too. Obviously they won’t patch that into BL2 in its life cycle right now, so maybe making the drop chance just a little lower could work to compensate because it feels like we’re all sitting on a stockpile of keys-I know I am. The reason I think the drop chance should be high though is the keys will naturally become more scarce as people get used to their new value. And then people will have to decide whether to use it now, or whether to wait a few levels so it’s more powerful, or how many to save for the next playthrough.
I think the current golden key system definitely needs some changes. I agree it should be something the player can earn rather than just a redeem whenever gearbox decides to give us some. When I got back into bl2 i saved all my golden keys on my first character bc I didn't want to waste them on gear I'd outlevel. But by the time I was 72 I quickly realized I wouldn't be getting much gear that was competitive with what I already had. Nowadays I don't use them bc either I'm doing a challenge run where it is disallowed, or I don't really feel the need to use it to keep my player stocked up to take down the next challenge. But as a bl2 vet, I know that my experience isn't everyones and many players do need it as a convenient boost when they get stuck and don't have the gear they need to keep pushing forward. So I'd suggest something along the lines of the following, they make the golden keys a rare drop from enemies so you can get them naturally through gameplay. They work similar to bl2 giving mostly purple gear. Then in tvhm/uvhm/whatever form of ng+ we end up with, they replace the golden key with the diamond key. It is rarer and maybe only comes from more limited loot sources. And when used on the chest it gives legendaries. But if it is anything like bl3, what is the point of another loot source stuffed with legendaries? Sure you could give a crapton of drops but bl3 already has looting fatigue issues and what we absolutely don't want is it to be a more ideal source of a specific item than the set source for that item. So how do you make it worthwhile without making it the best place to farm something? One option could be that in ng+ when using a diamond key, the items are all legendary and anointed. So even if it isn't the best source of a specific item or even the best source of world drops, it would be worth it bc the quality of world drops you get from it have a higher baseline, removes a layer from the rng. I think something like that could really improve its usefulness even without majorly overhauling it into an event or something.
If you enter the shift code on the site it takes seconds. Every shift code works for all TPS, BL2, BL3, and Wonderland....you can just input that code for each game. I enjoy the keys, I don't necessarily use them often but when I need/want to, I'm glad they exist
I never saw the point in the box really anyway because as you said you can simply go and farm what you want. I think this would work better and be a lot cooler if the loot you get from gold keys was in some way unique so there’s an actual reason to do it.
I like the idea for the Golden keys, but keep the Diamond loot room for Diamond keys. As the chance for vault card Diamond keys are so low, that getting a Diamond key should be a true reward and getting to choose from 3 walls of loot is a great reward for grinding vault cards and getting a Diamond key to pop. As for Golden keys I think you should get them with each story boss kill. Then use them to unlock a boss rush challenge, you fight 3 challenging bosses and if you survive you get rewarded with loot and on hard difficulty you get guaranteed legendaries.
Initially listening to the ideas I was skeptical about how cheesy it seems, but I thought about the idea that keys could do the things suggested but in a way that adds content relevant to the franchise and keeps the engagement outside the game for advertising like gearbox wants. Example, an engagement of bandits ruining your time in a theater trying to watch the Borderlands movie. It can go many different directions of how to provide worthwhile incentive, but it's a unique content experience only attainable through engaging with a shift code and advertises a hell of a lot better in my opinion. I think it could definitely be a decent idea if it doesn't feel too corporate.
One simple way to go would be to have the golden keys be like tokens to play a unique slot machine that gives out gear that you can only get through the slot machine. It'd be simple for gearbox to do but still make it fun and something players would care about.
I wouldn’t mind if you could load a golden key in a takedown/raid boss as long as it doesn’t affect difficulty (i.e. locking difficulty behind the keys) but instead kept whatever difficulty is set and just increased loot drops from bosses/mini bosses. That way you can get loot you want from golden keys, you still have to be good enough to earn it, and they feel useful and have a place in the game that doesn’t make a hole in content when your out of them. An example would be you load a golden key into Maliwan takedown and each boss drops 200%-500% more loot including dedicated drops.
They did a Legendary challenge a few years ago for a week where each day you could conquer a different boss in a different area of the game/DLC's and if you beat the boss of the day, you would get a specific legendary. That was cool.
I like golden keys and here is why: they are free LIMITED items which don't actually give out top tier loot so its not like it breaks the META, and in the case of BL2 anyway it seems to give out very unique purples that I hardly see as natural loot so I am usually pleasantly surprised. As for BL3 diamond keys I both like the idea and the actual presentation room, as well as that the keys are free, but I dont like that you can pop OP11 and go try for some OP legendary that'll carry you through (tbf tho its not hard to get OP gear in 3)
The keys should be able to do MULTIPLE things, thats my opinion. One should be at a machine able to modify a gun to have gun part you want on it. One part per key.
The golden keys broke the game. The idea and use of them was great, occasional keys given to keep people going back...and then people found rather easy ways to duplicate them over and over. For the next 2 weeks I found myself just duping keys and posting up at the gold chest instead of farming and actually playing and by the time I got bored and went back to the action I realized I had nothing to really do, I got all my favorite gear and I'd be farming just for slightly better rolls.
In both BL2 & BL3 I personally use the mods that replace gold/diamond keys to eridium. I think I have it set to 200E for gold chest and 500E for diamond loot room. (50E in BL2) No more keys to worry about.
my idea is make the chest a boss or part of a boss and let players put in any amount of keys they want. The more keys they use the harder the boss is but it will drop more and higher quality loot. you could use one key at a time for an easy fight for average loot or the max amount for essentially a raid boss fight. heck they could even make multiple different bosses and make it random which on you get each time. some ideas could be as simple as a mimic or a giant loot goliath or something like the chest opens and inside is a giant hole leading to a boss area for who knows what
I think golden keys are a great tool for new players, that becomes less usable once you get to higher levels due to its inherent scarcity :> also its easier to enter them on the website anyways, the game has a weird loading time
What could be cool is like you suggested, fight through a boss, but at it's highest tier of difficulty, you are rewarded with a legendary - but you can choose which parts are on it. Custom made God rolls
The golden key system is cute. In any game there is end game farmable loot run. Knoxx, chaos bunnies, etc. So using keys at that stage doesn’t garner rewards to match. What that means is that keys are most useful when playing through the campaign, and maybe you e been using “grandpas gun” from 10 levels ago because it does all the things you want a gun to do for your hero, but you’re desperate for one on par with your current stage of the game. Even if you do open 5 keys every 5 levels, I’d still be able to do that 4 times in some of the older games which I hoard keys but never play.
One system I thought of is instead of Golden Keys being tied to social media, they are instead tied to a leveling system of sorts where as you kill named enemies or bosses, your bar increases and once it fills completely you get a golden key. You can either cash it in, or hold on to it and get 3 of them to get the diamond key. This rewards players who grind and it kinda acts like a Gacha Game's "Pity" system so if you're really unlucky while you're trying to grind for your weapon of choice, you can cash in your keys and save yourself the trouble. Randy could then use the current system to offer boosters to increase the rate the bar fills up for a temporary amount of time.
Would love to see tho golden keys get a boost like special ability weapons (red text) that is special to that pool (or ultra rare drops from other sources). Would be balanced like a purple or legendary, but have rare chance for a godly/funny weapon. BL3 did it well with the goofy weapon ideas and it would be cool to see other games get that fun. Honestly my favorite part of a game is the ability to goof around as much as intended gameplay, so I love the idea of mini games or fun challenges…granted it can be easier said then done to implement it well, but here’s to hoping
Tennis sent us into kriegs brain for a whole DLC, the idea that a chest ate a bunch of enemies before you come along and now you gotta fight a whole bunch of dudes then the chest spits you and all their loot out.
I feel it would be fun for the golden key chest to open and be a board game. Kinda like what the Jumaji box opens to one. Then you could have a quick little board game that gives you split paths. Your reward will be determined by the path you take. Then next time you play it you can make different choices to see what the difference in loot is. That would be a fun way to spend some down time away from the shooting too.
I usually agree with you on most subjects, but I think the golder key system was meant to get new players a head start as we don't know how to minmax the entire questline for perfect loot and this box helps us out a bit so the game does not get too difficult.
On new playthroughs, Golden Keys break the game by removing the need to loot any green or blue rarity loot. It usually ends up with me not using it, or using a few rolls to get a better sniper rifle mid game.
The idea you have is something I would really look forward to but I just hope they get the story right if they can make a decent borderlands game that does not want me to mute the game then idk what they do with the golden keys at launch
The only time i ever feel like I even want the extra gear is in BL2 specifically when doing a playthrough with friends. BL2's drop rates are frankly so poor that you frequently don't get anything more exciting than an occasional blue when not going out of your way to farm. Getting cool drops is half the fun when playing with a group and it derails the play session for everyone to stop and farm on their own for something fun to use. I'd rather get my stuff just by playing the game organically when possible, but the drop rates are a major pain point for keeping a group motivated to play. Nobody wants to go through the majority of the game using mostly whites and greens, and BL2's exponential level scaling means that guns rarely last more than a few levels. When I've played with friends we'd stop in Sanctuary every 5 or so levels and pop the chest open a few times. Key codes and the entire SHIFT backend are super tedious to use, so I just use cheat engine to make it free. We open it a few times until everyone gets at least a gun or two that's fun, then we get back to actually playing and enjoying the game. All that aside, I think the chest is largely unnecessary, especially in the other games. In BL2's case, if it had even just slightly more generous drop rates of blues and above we'd never bother with it. I would vastly prefer if the Golden Chest was properly tied into gameplay somehow, such as by completing challenges. The main reason I don't bother with it is it never feels earned. I like what BL3 did with the in-game mail system rewards that gives you free stuff for kill milestones. BL3 has almost the opposite problem with drop rates that BL2 has, but I'd rather have an abundance of cool options rather than a drought of them.
There's now less and less people playing vanilla BL2 anymore. Most people who play will be on PC and have access to mods, mods that either repurpose the golden chest, make it easier to get better loot, or even just gibbed save editor. If you don't play on PC it's still possible to edit your saves on console through gibbed editor. It being a single player game where modding and cheating are allowed, there's no purpose for golden keys anymore. Plus you can even just edit your local save to give yourself a bunch of keys, along with bar and other stuff.
They could of just made it like a golden ticket system where you get unique quests from a quest board that exist serverside when playing online that grant unique rewards like maybe a skin or head, weapons with gimmicky parts, etc What I personally would decide to do instead to reward players for being interested in the games social media is leave hints of hidden content put into the game, fill the game to the brim with hidden stuff that could be found years after release.
What do you guys think about the golden key system?
I think the idea is… ok but yeah it’s boring. I think it’s meant to be a way to speed up one’s progression for new playthroughs (because some of the new playthrough grind is a bit of a slog) but it just fizzles cause those parts are not long and are later on in a playthrough *cough* sawtooth *cough*
Great concept but carried on for so long that... well its just simply showing its age
Its a 12 year old system carried across like 3 new borderlands titles across 10 years
it's so easy to cheat golden keys into the game that i don't really care about it
I think it's okay but I feel like it could have been better I wish they made a free DLC for all the borderlands games including tiny Tina's assault on dragon keep stand-alone game and wonderland where it adds a new character that stands next to the golden chest and he can sell you golden keys for eridium (money if you're playing on borderlands 1) the more you buy from him the more expensive it gets but if you wait a while it'll die down or just save and quit, the character could be a mysterious character like the merchant from resident evil 4 or xul from destiny!
The challenge thing is a good idea
Currently playing a mod called Rebalands for Borderlands 3 and it removes the golden keys, instead requiring 250 eridium to roll and I feel like that's much more fair.
I think 50 or may even 75 feels a lot more fair, I would probably make it so its more expensive the farther youre in the normal mode playthroug and it caps after defeating the warrior, lets say 25 when youfirst get to sanctuary and 75+ after warrior.
I remember there being a way to dupe golden keys in bl3 due to how you get the keys. I went from no keys go one hundred and as long as i had it tied to my shift account I could use they keys on any game.
@@bruhmomento5528 I mean eridium in bl3 is so easy to get vast amounts of
for all yall wondering, rebalands is a cross between bl3 redux and the balands mod. i only use balands cuz im not the biggest fan of bl3 redux
Wonderlands Redux Mod let’s you use Moon Orbs that you get from Chaos Mode for the Golden Chest, same concept and it works great there too 👍
4:03 borderlands in a nutshell
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no lies bruh :))
absolutely, the fact they're rarely released, alongside the fact that the loot you get is meh at best which in BL2 is often overshadowed by other weapons or just becomes useless after 3 levels. Theyre meant to be special but the loot just makes it not feel special at all, a single warrior kill gives better loot then 5 golden keys half the time just makes them feel so useless even for the most casual players.
Nothing wrong with a casual friendly activity, but it needs to be something more if you want a bigger percentage of your fanbase to launch the game.
The issue in 2 isn't the chest gun, the issue is BL2s gross imbalance. Besides a handful of weapon types non legendaries are just unuseable.
If golden Key loot did something interesting, I might make it available in the pregame. So instead of your default loot you get a random item to tweak the early game, then you slot into the random number generator for the rest of the game.
And if you are having terrible loot drops, you can go back to the start to grab something random and new.
Ideally it should generate one item of each type, and you must choose just one item each round so you want a shotgun challenge? Go grab a new shotgun.
Golden keys were a good idea in concept, but it should have stayed only in borderlands 2, the loot is never worth anything, and most of the time it gets sold.
It just needs to evolve more. The diamond armory was onto something, but it is so forgettable.
@@Joltzdude139wasnt diamond keys farmable tho with the pass there was a chance to get a diamond key?
@HumanitysGrace you can farm them buy launching the game online, then going offline, claiming them through the mail, quot to menu and rejoin, and you can claim them again. I got 100s of golden and diamond keys that way.
@@noah9942. but that's not intended
@@noah9942. but thats a bug and not legit
I think they peaked in TPS, but that was only because the lack of dedicated drops and the reliance on the grinder. I remember using shift keys to get my purples to moonstone grind into legendaries. Not that purple loot isn’t findable in TPS, but the grinder is right next to the shift box thing in Concordia so it’s convenient!
funnily enough, key delivery terminal is bugged on EGS version. Each time you reload your game, all keys, that you redeemed before, reappear in that terminal again.
really? like, as many times as you want, and its repeatable?@@BioHazardAlBatros
@@BioHazardAlBatrosIt's been a while but I think I had that bug on steam too. I definitely remember redeeming the weapons multiple times (the tales from the borderlands ones, I think)
@@walnutguybutcool yes
@@BioHazardAlBatrosThanks I was so confused.
For me the main problem with golden keys is that they’re limited by time and they’re profile based not character based. If golden keys were like eridium and sometimes dropped from enemies it would be completely fine and I would use them. The problem is that they are a limited resource that you have across all of your characters so even though I have a couple hundred in bl2 I’ll never end up using them since once they’re gone they’re GONE. If you use eridium to get the wrong sdu upgrade in bl2 early game it’s fine since there will always be more eridium. If you use a golden key and get something useless for your character then it’s just a waste of a golden key. It would be like saying that you have a limited amount of bunker kills ie 100 and you have to wait for gearbox to release a code to get more opportunities to farm him.
If your on PC, set profile.bin to read only and you can keep the keys
@@pw5687 does that really still work?
@@pw5687 not on pc. Either way I don’t think I’d do that because I think having unlimited purples whenever you want is cheating. I’m pretty sure there’s a glitch on console with duplicating saves but I’m not sure how it works.
@@nyx7694 yes, I used it yesterday and have done the whole time I've been playing. It works the same as when you do normal read only farming.
@@elliotallison2570as joltz said, there are issues with this system. But I think being able to keep the keys to use on other characters is very useful. If the play through isn't going well, you can just grab 1 or 2 things. For example, it has been a great source of on-level snipers in my sniper only run until I get some good farms unlocked. I don't see how it's much different from farming tinder snowflake. I personally have no problem with it and I don't abuse the golden chest glitch, but if people don't like it then just ignore it or give the loot to your friends.
Idea: Make golden keys pull from a unique item pool exclusive to the chest. Then make the keys given out very rarely but refresh each playthrough.
To me G Keys have 2 issues, the loot is bad, and they’re boring to obtain. An idea to fix them could be something like
Make them good and let us know the odds, e.g. 10% chance to get a legendary, 1% chance to get a pearl #bringbackpearls
2nd, make acquisition fun, how many side missions go unplayed bc they don’t give anything? A LOT! Have it so they can get keys from missions AND they could throw shift codes our way. I could also go into a rant about how removing mission reward uniques could help a future game but I’ll save that for a different paragraph. 😂
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I have a neutral opinion of it, I'm just glad they don't sell keys for real money
I don’t play connected to the internet, so when I ran out of the keys that came with the GOTY edition of BL2 I started wishing I could just remove the chest from the game.
"Greasy Randy" - Civvie11 2022.
If I ever want to use golden keys, I just use cheat engine to use however many I want with less effort than entering even one code.
I just set the file to read only and never use up my keys even after using them over and over.
Yup.
How did you do it? Whenever I use cheat engine, it can never detect key changes (other than BL3)
@@zyxwv I always just used Gibbed
just redeem your keys while not connected to internet and every time you load back into the game your keys will be back to the amount you had. this works for all key types and gear given from codes
The only time I use golden keys is when I'm leveling up, and it's a good way to quickly grab on level gear, but after I reach max level I forget they exist. Also, I love the idea for a magic box.
It definitely feels bad imo
It could be such a cool experience
Considering most players want to keep their playthroughs limited to that playthrough (like disabling BAR in BL2, or not using secret stash/safe), The only way that I'd consider them a good feature is if they're able to be equally available in every playthrough separately. I propose that they drop from in-game sources (rare world drops or raid boss kills, etc.) as well as from codes, so it would fit every playstyle. They're not gone and exhausted forever, and challenge playthroughs can still use them if they're obtainable in that challenge.
The Chaos Chamber actually would be a really good way to give rewards, I think. Forcing people to make a build that actually does damage or can survive a long time so they can earn their loot instead of literally sitting and waiting for another real person to decide to tweet something. Especially since, like the diamond key chamber, you have more control over what you get. While the gold key is entirely random, the others let you pick from a kind of selection, with the Chaos chamber even letting you completely control what kind of gear it is.
3:58 the free loot argument is the same is "you should wet your socks, it's easy and free" "why should i do that?" "it's easy and free"
there's just no reason to hit it unless your strongest gun is like levels behind on a new playthrough
Or you're doing a dahl only run and you need some good guns
@@Fellkun i mean dahl makes 4 of the 6 different types of weapons. So you start with a 1 in 8 chance of getting a weapon type dahl makes. Then depending on the weapon type(pistols for example), you have another 1 in 8 on top to get the right manufacturer. So 1 in 64, not even counting the parts if you worry about it. Its just not great compared to farming a dedicated drop like an emperor. Which is a 1 in 5 from 4 different enemies that are easy to farm
@@sirkelendor5429 dude I'm almost done with the main story and I thought I could handle the lychwood,got frustrated,cried and then did a vladof moze run and it was beautiful
@@Fellkun thats nice? I dont really see how its relevant to the fact that golden chest loot isnt particularly useful at any point in the game when legendaries can be found EVERYWHERE and many of them(even the bad ones) will carry you through at least normal and tvhm
I love this new challenge key idea! It's like a fun and brief version of the wonderlands chaos chamber
Those are some really good suggestions I used to be so enthusiastic about golden keys during borderlands 2 when I was struggling through the game, but once you get legendaries, it's not really worth it anymore.
The background gameplay looks how playing borderlands in a dream feels like
I'd vote for Joltz as the CEO of Gearbox, heck even president lol.
And get Borderlands 2 released every 3 years yeah no thanks
@@Jumzaaa im down for BL2 for the next 2 decades yessir
@@Jumzaaa better than having a alphabet people prasing game without rare loot and shitty story
Better then the current Grease lord Randy
Joltdude you should do golden key loot only series
The golden chest was the start to my gambling addiction
I do like the challenge idea, my biggest issue with Keys now is they aren't great for those not chronically online, or having to sift through all the crap in your feed to find. They already have the news ticker on the main menu in 3, how about getting an intern to make shorts/ tik toks, they make a new one, click it in game to watch it and you get sent the key. Everybody wins. They get to monetize their presence and we get loot for watching.
I’d love to see the current diamond key system become the gold key system and your idea is the new for diamond
I think randy is the one reason this game series have gone to what it is, sad case of hats trying something special, bl3 3 tales 2 and wonderlands, no graphics settings win bad story and other quarky shenanigans
I think i might have a cool Solution:
Firstly get rid of the Codes but make the Golden Keys farmable like Seraph Crystals from the Raid Bosses, maybe 1-2 per Raid Boss Kill.
Now, the Golden Keys can still be used for the Chest BUT what if they introduce a True Raid Difficulty where you have to pay 10 Golden Keys instead of Eridium and you could get guaranteed Pearl or Effervescent if they bring it back in BL4.
Or you can use 20 or 50 for a Diamond Key.
4:25 Tannis presents Pandora's Box of Treasure and Tribulations
This video reminded me to get golden keys... but anyway, yeah I agree, the keys could use a rework.
Also, not ALL loot from the golden chest in Borderlands 2 is bad. I got this really good TEIDORE pistol that carried my friends and I through some of the earlier parts of the game. I'd just be constantly one-hitting the enemies with my OP arcing of my gun. It was really neat and fun, but it started to fall off when we got later in the story. I still have it but I'm prob just gonna chuck it in the bank and call it "Baby's First Dynamite" lol
Sounds like a good weekly event that you could partake with each of your characters
Diamond armory but with a higher chance of getting diamonds keys. Say like 25% so every 4 times your guaranteed a diamond key. If you didn’t get one ealier than 4. But also could be more. I love the diamond key system I think it’s absolutely awesome and I look forward to going back to sanctuary and opening it up every time.
The challenge idea was fun, you could even set them weekly/monthly and get to choose from maybe a vendor machine your reward, earning currency for that vendor depending on how well you did, even better if they let the vendor let you roll mission rewards from a loot pool that updates maybey slightly slower than challenges are put out so you could accumulate 2 rounds worth of tokens
Basically the bl3 black market vendor with bootleg tourge tokens
I'd like to see the Golden Keys as a physical item in the games, which can be dropped by any enemy with a rarity comparable to Pearls.
Still keep the Shiftcode system, for those who want more, but add something that can give you excitement during the game. Maybe up the odds of golden keys on normal mode, where you are guaranteed to find at least 1 key during your run. With decreasing odds the harder the game gets.
Rougelands mod for the pre-sequel when? 👀
They should create 'Golden Loot' which appears randomly and only in the chest. They could add new weapons every few weeks/months to give you a reason to come back.
The golden key chest has a real big problem, at the start it's op, but you will level up past those levels so you either get easy loot now or wait till itll be worth it, but if you wait it's not worth it because by then you'll already be getting purple weapons or even legendaries so it ends up just being an early game power boost
I don't see the problem here. So it's an early game boost if you choose to use it
Borderlands is a game about grinding for awesome loot. I don't want to just type in codes for the game to do the fun part for me! The only times I've used them is when I'm playing with friends who don't play the game as much as me (so their tolerance for less interesting sidemissions or xp farming is lower), pushing our way through the story and everyone's gear feels a little underleveled - usually around the time you have to face The Bunker, due to the huge level jump in the story missions at that point. Getting a sudden burst of blues and purples feels super empowering, but I don't think I'd bother doing it when I'm playing on my own, especially not a high/max lvl character.
I love this new content that joltz has been making recently. Thank you for always providing high quality entertainment and information :)
I would say every time you beat the game you get like 10-15 golden keys and 3 diamond ones, and you can earn more by doing challenges/completion/time. after you beat the game once next time you start the game it would say something like "you don't often play as the siren if you play as her and beat the game you will earn 3 more golden keys" or if the game takes 20 hours on average to beat if you beat in 15 you will earn an extra 5.
Golden keys will 1000% be microtransaction pay to win trash in BL4
What you described for the challenge-boosted golden key concept sounds exactly like the Mimic in Old School RuneScape/RS3! It would be a fun way to upgrade your account and get some lewt ✨
I go by a "Don't like it? Don't use it." mindset. I use a Golden Key maybe once every year and only in Borderlands 2.
I like the idea of the 'key' as a ticket to be a participant on a minigame game show like with the squid games examples you had. They have come close with other game shows like killavolt, the thanksgiving and torgue bl2 dlc and moxies underdome. It would be a great way to try out some different themes or styles of stuff like the ultraviolet or western thing.
I just use cheat engine to keep stocked up on keys and use them to pick up some level matching loot here and there to bridge between content points
to take your challenges idea a little further while still keeping what makes Diamond Keys better than Golden Keys (the fact it's a guaranteed legendary drop) have 3 tiers of missions with 2 mission types each, mobbing and bossing, easy guarantees 1 legendary from mobbing or the dedicated drop of a World Boss (any named enemy that doesn't have a true boss health bar), medium guarantees 2 from mobbing or the dedicated drop and 1 random legendary from an actual normal boss, and hard is 3 legendaries from mobbing or 3 dedicated drops from a Raid Boss, it still leaves normal farming open as an option and your main form of farming but gives those that aren't quite at the point where farming for parts and prefix matters as much a fairly rare source of guaranteed legendaries in the form of fighting easier things. the way these missions would work is that while it is your active mission it could apply a modified Shlooter effect while within the mission bounds. It would also make the early loot charting much easier for those that make those lists since it's revealing the dedicated gear of that boss even if slowly
This has always been also problem for me. Like sure I don't need them, but it's great to sometimes be rewarded, especially more in the early game, where the purples are still usable.
And I completely agree with you and that's also really similar to how I wanted to solve the issue.
I basically wanted something like the weekly challenges in BL3 with Vault cards. Because you're not limited to just one type of content. If it was locked to a defeating certain boss you could get bored by it pretty quickly or at least I would be. But if the challenge was defeat 300 enemies with Dahl Assault rifle, you could still do basically whichever content you want. You would by just limited in the how you beat the content. Which sometimes can lead you in discovering a cool stuff. Like when I did my 1st Dahl only playthrough in Borderlands 2(I believe)I picked up and used The Hail for the 1st time and since then it's one of my favourite unique weapons in series.
So if the challenges were about how you play instead of what, I believe it could help both the newer players in trying something different with their build. And they would also be rewarded for it.
I think that the golden keys in the pre-sequel are the funniest thing to give out since you can just get infinite keys in your shift inbox (the thing directly across from the elevator to the meriffs office). Every time you relaunch the game you get a free skullmasher (on level) and like 20 keys. So giving out 5 keys for the game that gives you a infinite supply of them feels a lil silly to me.
In thousands of hours in the Borderlands franchise I don't think I've ever actually used a golden chest weapon.
The Golden Keys are great for there initial design. Get casual players subscribed to the Social Media Channel and incentify them to hop back into the game. However, this engagement isn't for players like you Joltz, as we would just go farm BOSS-XYZ to get ITEM-XYZ. Golden Keys should have an End Game purpose to make them valuable again. They could also be used as an alternative payment; 500 Eridium or 1 Golden Keys for the anoint reroll or raid boss payment (if they keep those hefty prices from BL3)(Yes, Rerolls was made better in TTWL).
It's funny that you mention Chaos Chambers because when that was getting stale I suggested to GBX that they add different types of rooms. While I took small segments from the Guardian Takedown, I think your puzzle rooms could have also been a fun way to change up the Chaos Chambers.
5:13 Early Cobra drop for Zero….if only I ever got that lucky
There should be a daily challenge system in the next Borderlands where each day you can complete a challenge or group of challenges to gain access to a loot room. If you complete the daily challenges consistently through a week, your chance of rarer loot spawning increases each day. By the end of the week, you could have plenty of purple/legendary gear to choose from. I think 3-4 things for each visit would be adequate. Gives you a reason to keep doing the daily challenges every single day though 🤷♂️
They’re definitely most useful on borderlands 1 enhanced, where you can get the new legendary items and better loot overall
When I first started playing it was a really fun system. I had a few rolls and i saved them for situations where I felt all my weapons no longer kept up with my level increase and needed something to kick start a new arsenal.
Later on learning that you can’t get legendaries definitely made it less exciting. And it’s definitely not a system that’s amazing for long term players but I do think it’s great for new players and when a game first launches
Somebody mentioned one mod that changed the golden keys to eridium, there's another, Snowbound, that replaces it with 5 crystals (i forgot the name but they're pink). I think the golden keys were good in 2012. Every big developer was doing something similar at the time, Golden Keys were really just the ones that held up (since they still do them). I've never been a fan of these code things in games as it just introduces an additional hurdle to unlocking good things, plus the FOMO from codes that expired.
That sounds like a lot of fun. You could get keys by a rare drop from bosses. Have different types of keys, such as shield keys, relics (or whatever they call it in bl4), shotgun key, etc and each boss will only drop that type of key. Like, if you were farming Captain Flint, he has a tiny chance to drop a Pistol key which can drop any type of pistol which can be unique to the chest or legendries/pearls.
I think Golden Keys help the game at launch because you don't have a huge inventory but if the game is a few years old you might have better loot
I kinda love your idea for golden keys, maybe Randy should be taking notes because these are golden ideas! I'm just imagining a selection of things we could tackle, so we don't have to do this one or that one, but any challenge, and if we complete it, a guaranteed legendary, if we do very good, another or maybe 2 more, and if we can't complete for the life of us, some random purples and blues... That sounds legit.
a movement challenge would be really cool. maybe one that has some hard nadejump skips
The issue you raise about them being boring I think is true, but I think the central part of that issue is the loot itself, not even the lack of a challenge. We need a guaranteed or at least very high chance of a legendary/pearl/seraph/red text (maybe 1 in 3) for it to be worth it imo. When you have a 1 in 10 legendary drop chance from just farming a boss once, the chest by definition has to be at least as rewarding as a boss to feel like it’s “worth it.” With how common keys are given out though (and how easy it is to basically have infinite on PC), I think adding a challenge is a great way to make the chests more fun at the same time, to make it fair too. Obviously they won’t patch that into BL2 in its life cycle right now, so maybe making the drop chance just a little lower could work to compensate because it feels like we’re all sitting on a stockpile of keys-I know I am. The reason I think the drop chance should be high though is the keys will naturally become more scarce as people get used to their new value. And then people will have to decide whether to use it now, or whether to wait a few levels so it’s more powerful, or how many to save for the next playthrough.
I was thinking a cool video idea would be weapon parts guides for each type.
Okay so this is definitely a new Roguelands patch….just wow amazing stuff
I think the current golden key system definitely needs some changes. I agree it should be something the player can earn rather than just a redeem whenever gearbox decides to give us some. When I got back into bl2 i saved all my golden keys on my first character bc I didn't want to waste them on gear I'd outlevel. But by the time I was 72 I quickly realized I wouldn't be getting much gear that was competitive with what I already had. Nowadays I don't use them bc either I'm doing a challenge run where it is disallowed, or I don't really feel the need to use it to keep my player stocked up to take down the next challenge. But as a bl2 vet, I know that my experience isn't everyones and many players do need it as a convenient boost when they get stuck and don't have the gear they need to keep pushing forward.
So I'd suggest something along the lines of the following, they make the golden keys a rare drop from enemies so you can get them naturally through gameplay. They work similar to bl2 giving mostly purple gear. Then in tvhm/uvhm/whatever form of ng+ we end up with, they replace the golden key with the diamond key. It is rarer and maybe only comes from more limited loot sources. And when used on the chest it gives legendaries. But if it is anything like bl3, what is the point of another loot source stuffed with legendaries? Sure you could give a crapton of drops but bl3 already has looting fatigue issues and what we absolutely don't want is it to be a more ideal source of a specific item than the set source for that item. So how do you make it worthwhile without making it the best place to farm something? One option could be that in ng+ when using a diamond key, the items are all legendary and anointed. So even if it isn't the best source of a specific item or even the best source of world drops, it would be worth it bc the quality of world drops you get from it have a higher baseline, removes a layer from the rng. I think something like that could really improve its usefulness even without majorly overhauling it into an event or something.
It's a great idea scramble up the team and get some loot. That's very borderlands
If you enter the shift code on the site it takes seconds. Every shift code works for all TPS, BL2, BL3, and Wonderland....you can just input that code for each game.
I enjoy the keys, I don't necessarily use them often but when I need/want to, I'm glad they exist
I never saw the point in the box really anyway because as you said you can simply go and farm what you want. I think this would work better and be a lot cooler if the loot you get from gold keys was in some way unique so there’s an actual reason to do it.
I like the idea for the Golden keys, but keep the Diamond loot room for Diamond keys. As the chance for vault card Diamond keys are so low, that getting a Diamond key should be a true reward and getting to choose from 3 walls of loot is a great reward for grinding vault cards and getting a Diamond key to pop. As for Golden keys I think you should get them with each story boss kill. Then use them to unlock a boss rush challenge, you fight 3 challenging bosses and if you survive you get rewarded with loot and on hard difficulty you get guaranteed legendaries.
Initially listening to the ideas I was skeptical about how cheesy it seems, but I thought about the idea that keys could do the things suggested but in a way that adds content relevant to the franchise and keeps the engagement outside the game for advertising like gearbox wants. Example, an engagement of bandits ruining your time in a theater trying to watch the Borderlands movie. It can go many different directions of how to provide worthwhile incentive, but it's a unique content experience only attainable through engaging with a shift code and advertises a hell of a lot better in my opinion. I think it could definitely be a decent idea if it doesn't feel too corporate.
One simple way to go would be to have the golden keys be like tokens to play a unique slot machine that gives out gear that you can only get through the slot machine.
It'd be simple for gearbox to do but still make it fun and something players would care about.
You can literally just edit save and get thousands of these keys.
I wouldn’t mind if you could load a golden key in a takedown/raid boss as long as it doesn’t affect difficulty (i.e. locking difficulty behind the keys) but instead kept whatever difficulty is set and just increased loot drops from bosses/mini bosses. That way you can get loot you want from golden keys, you still have to be good enough to earn it, and they feel useful and have a place in the game that doesn’t make a hole in content when your out of them.
An example would be you load a golden key into Maliwan takedown and each boss drops 200%-500% more loot including dedicated drops.
Vinylicpuma has talked about this topic before. And I agree.
They did a Legendary challenge a few years ago for a week where each day you could conquer a different boss in a different area of the game/DLC's and if you beat the boss of the day, you would get a specific legendary. That was cool.
Most controversial part of this is saying nothing against Randy. There's plenty against Randy
I wanted to say about Diamond keys in borderlands 3 they are also earnable from the vault cards
Gold keys should have a 1/15,000 chance of dropping from any monster killed. And the reward should be better than just purples
I like golden keys and here is why: they are free LIMITED items which don't actually give out top tier loot so its not like it breaks the META, and in the case of BL2 anyway it seems to give out very unique purples that I hardly see as natural loot so I am usually pleasantly surprised. As for BL3 diamond keys I both like the idea and the actual presentation room, as well as that the keys are free, but I dont like that you can pop OP11 and go try for some OP legendary that'll carry you through (tbf tho its not hard to get OP gear in 3)
The keys should be able to do MULTIPLE things, thats my opinion. One should be at a machine able to modify a gun to have gun part you want on it. One part per key.
istead of focusing on golden keys id love for them to actually make a good story with likeable characters first.
The golden keys broke the game. The idea and use of them was great, occasional keys given to keep people going back...and then people found rather easy ways to duplicate them over and over. For the next 2 weeks I found myself just duping keys and posting up at the gold chest instead of farming and actually playing and by the time I got bored and went back to the action I realized I had nothing to really do, I got all my favorite gear and I'd be farming just for slightly better rolls.
Golden keys shouldve been a reward from a major boss or achievement based.
In both BL2 & BL3 I personally use the mods that replace gold/diamond keys to eridium.
I think I have it set to 200E for gold chest and 500E for diamond loot room. (50E in BL2)
No more keys to worry about.
my idea is make the chest a boss or part of a boss and let players put in any amount of keys they want. The more keys they use the harder the boss is but it will drop more and higher quality loot. you could use one key at a time for an easy fight for average loot or the max amount for essentially a raid boss fight. heck they could even make multiple different bosses and make it random which on you get each time. some ideas could be as simple as a mimic or a giant loot goliath or something like the chest opens and inside is a giant hole leading to a boss area for who knows what
I think golden keys are a great tool for new players, that becomes less usable once you get to higher levels due to its inherent scarcity :>
also its easier to enter them on the website anyways, the game has a weird loading time
What could be cool is like you suggested, fight through a boss, but at it's highest tier of difficulty, you are rewarded with a legendary - but you can choose which parts are on it. Custom made God rolls
The diamond keys can also come from vault card chests, I got a few recently when I started playing bl3 again but it’s also very rare
The golden key system is cute. In any game there is end game farmable loot run. Knoxx, chaos bunnies, etc. So using keys at that stage doesn’t garner rewards to match. What that means is that keys are most useful when playing through the campaign, and maybe you e been using “grandpas gun” from 10 levels ago because it does all the things you want a gun to do for your hero, but you’re desperate for one on par with your current stage of the game.
Even if you do open 5 keys every 5 levels, I’d still be able to do that 4 times in some of the older games which I hoard keys but never play.
I really enjoyed the diamond armory I just wish that they had exclusive legendary or Easter eggs with them
One system I thought of is instead of Golden Keys being tied to social media, they are instead tied to a leveling system of sorts where as you kill named enemies or bosses, your bar increases and once it fills completely you get a golden key. You can either cash it in, or hold on to it and get 3 of them to get the diamond key. This rewards players who grind and it kinda acts like a Gacha Game's "Pity" system so if you're really unlucky while you're trying to grind for your weapon of choice, you can cash in your keys and save yourself the trouble. Randy could then use the current system to offer boosters to increase the rate the bar fills up for a temporary amount of time.
Would love to see tho golden keys get a boost like special ability weapons (red text) that is special to that pool (or ultra rare drops from other sources). Would be balanced like a purple or legendary, but have rare chance for a godly/funny weapon. BL3 did it well with the goofy weapon ideas and it would be cool to see other games get that fun. Honestly my favorite part of a game is the ability to goof around as much as intended gameplay, so I love the idea of mini games or fun challenges…granted it can be easier said then done to implement it well, but here’s to hoping
Tennis sent us into kriegs brain for a whole DLC, the idea that a chest ate a bunch of enemies before you come along and now you gotta fight a whole bunch of dudes then the chest spits you and all their loot out.
I feel it would be fun for the golden key chest to open and be a board game. Kinda like what the Jumaji box opens to one. Then you could have a quick little board game that gives you split paths. Your reward will be determined by the path you take. Then next time you play it you can make different choices to see what the difference in loot is. That would be a fun way to spend some down time away from the shooting too.
I usually agree with you on most subjects, but I think the golder key system was meant to get new players a head start as we don't know how to minmax the entire questline for perfect loot and this box helps us out a bit so the game does not get too difficult.
Golden keys should unlock an armoury run.
On new playthroughs, Golden Keys break the game by removing the need to loot any green or blue rarity loot. It usually ends up with me not using it, or using a few rolls to get a better sniper rifle mid game.
7:30 "the floor is lava" Immediately should add Lilith's "The lava's rising, get to the high ground!"
The idea you have is something I would really look forward to but I just hope they get the story right if they can make a decent borderlands game that does not want me to mute the game then idk what they do with the golden keys at launch
The only time i ever feel like I even want the extra gear is in BL2 specifically when doing a playthrough with friends. BL2's drop rates are frankly so poor that you frequently don't get anything more exciting than an occasional blue when not going out of your way to farm. Getting cool drops is half the fun when playing with a group and it derails the play session for everyone to stop and farm on their own for something fun to use.
I'd rather get my stuff just by playing the game organically when possible, but the drop rates are a major pain point for keeping a group motivated to play. Nobody wants to go through the majority of the game using mostly whites and greens, and BL2's exponential level scaling means that guns rarely last more than a few levels.
When I've played with friends we'd stop in Sanctuary every 5 or so levels and pop the chest open a few times. Key codes and the entire SHIFT backend are super tedious to use, so I just use cheat engine to make it free. We open it a few times until everyone gets at least a gun or two that's fun, then we get back to actually playing and enjoying the game.
All that aside, I think the chest is largely unnecessary, especially in the other games. In BL2's case, if it had even just slightly more generous drop rates of blues and above we'd never bother with it.
I would vastly prefer if the Golden Chest was properly tied into gameplay somehow, such as by completing challenges. The main reason I don't bother with it is it never feels earned. I like what BL3 did with the in-game mail system rewards that gives you free stuff for kill milestones. BL3 has almost the opposite problem with drop rates that BL2 has, but I'd rather have an abundance of cool options rather than a drought of them.
There's now less and less people playing vanilla BL2 anymore. Most people who play will be on PC and have access to mods, mods that either repurpose the golden chest, make it easier to get better loot, or even just gibbed save editor. If you don't play on PC it's still possible to edit your saves on console through gibbed editor. It being a single player game where modding and cheating are allowed, there's no purpose for golden keys anymore. Plus you can even just edit your local save to give yourself a bunch of keys, along with bar and other stuff.
They could of just made it like a golden ticket system where you get unique quests from a quest board that exist serverside when playing online that grant unique rewards like maybe a skin or head, weapons with gimmicky parts, etc
What I personally would decide to do instead to reward players for being interested in the games social media is leave hints of hidden content put into the game, fill the game to the brim with hidden stuff that could be found years after release.