The Unsolved Mysteries of Battleship NJ That Came About in Drydock
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In this episode we're talking about some of the stranger things we've found so far.
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I would like to see a 5-10 clip from some of the workers of what it is like working on the battleship. Basically a human connection to the project.
These workers deserve a New Jersey beefsteak dinner
I would agree. Perhaps just after she's been reflected.
The answer to all of them? Aliens. You know we always fight aliens with battleships.
LMAO!! Maybe a new ' Documentary ' featuring USS NEW JERSEY this time!
That movie was DAF, but that scene is pretty good.
The made for TV 'movie' Mega Piranha contains documentary footage of the BBNJ propeller bite......probably
I was going to speculate it was Soviet submarines, but I like Aliens better.
Seamonsters, Kraken, or Godzilla
I'm going to see her tomorrow, super excited
Enjoy the tour.
Have *a blast.* I hope you make some memories that stay with you forever.
Remember to see the JFK a few hundred feet from the drydock. Also plan to spend some good money at the drydock store.
I'm going with a friend to see her tomorrow too.
I'll be there too!
PORT PROPELLER NICK: Best guess from me is that a towline connected to a tug dipped into the water near this prop and when it was pulled up by the tug powering away from the ship it caught on the prop and acted a bit like a band saw blade for a moment before getting freed. It seems to me that several below-surface wrecks (notable the Russian sub Kursk) were cut into pieces using cable "saws". Possible???
yes i agree this is very plausible especially in a tow from long beach to new jersey that's a long way.
@@ronblack7870 This was my guess as well. Some kind of cable got fouled there.
an interesting theory, but didn't he say the material got pushed inward instead of removed altogether? In my own comment I theorized hat maybe during the last canal tow she got slightly out of position during a starboard turn and dinged something underwater, which would explain the displacement of metal in an inboard-direction - especially on account of forces involved. A turning prop would have done much more damage to itself if it hit an obstacle (see the centerline prop on Bismarck for comparison after it chewed up the rudder)
I was thinking that it looked like a steel cable ended up against that particular point (and a bit bent), then tension worked to straighten the cable, thus putting a nice nick into the propeller.
@@lonnyyoung4285 Yup. That is what I said.
I'm trying to imagine the rental vehicle inspection form for an Iowa class battleship!
Would you like to sign up for our insurance? If not I need your initials here, here, here, here, x50 and then sign and date that you refused and are responsible for damages at the bottom. Thanks
Mooring buoy for your dent. BB buoy is 16-18 foot in diameter and 10 to 12 foot deep. You nose right up to the buoy so you can lower anchor chain from the bullnose (or a hawsepie, to XO's preference).
Chain removed corrosion protection years ago, cleaned and painted over, but pitting remained. Dents in same area and on bow also from anchor when ship was moving.
Ooh, great assessment. Definitely seems like something that would happen
My best quess is...Encounter with the fins off Godzillas back while he was out on a morning swim
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Godzilla is more of a NY city elite Kaiju spending time at the Intrepid. Gamera is the kind of "Every monster" that would hang out with the Big J and that turtle shell could do some damage to a Battleship.
No, it was from the battle with the aliens from the sequel to movie Ryan like to hate
Or a stray shot from the aliens. Maybe it wasn't the Missouri and maybe it wasn't CGI.😂
Exactly what I was going to say. What else could it possibly be?
The Navy clipped the propeller so they can tell she's been spayed (disarmed).
Yep, can't have NJ spawning off baby battleships.
@@acdii must have been done a while ago, considering Kentucky and Illinois never were made
Ryan that ship is in good hands with you and your crew . Its getting better tlc than it probably ever has. American People thank you and everything you do for this very important veteran.
If I had to guess, I would say that she was parked in a high school student parking lot. One day could easily account for all of the damage.
LOL! Or maybe the local shopping center on ' Dollar Day ' !
I did think anchor chain for the bow damage in a previous video , although Ryan's design and cavitation theory sounds feasible as well . There are plenty of bumps and scrapes mooring a ship , especially a dead one without a crew .I've' seen some of the old wooden cats forced in odd positions against the sides by tide and wind when tied up against a wall but the propeller is a mystery . Unless it was a weak it must have been a hefty impact to cause that .
The striations near the bow really do look like they were caused by a large chain rubbing or swinging.
Cavitation occurs at trailing edges and id dare say greater pressure drops than you would encounter in that area.
For the notch in the propeller, it would be interesting if you could go up with a construction lift and see if any dissimilar metal is in the notch. Something like a cable dragged across the propeller?
Or, someone swimming by with a torch who happened to want a souvenir.
Or measure the diameter of the nick
@@StevenSeiller So what part of the curator matches the size of the missing piece? More importantly, does Ryan have to pay for this damage? 😄💲💲💲
Looks like an odd affect of electrolysis…. Electrolysis can weaken the area, then crumble when bumped…
See if any of the other blades are showing a similar affect in the same region…
There must be a dozen professors of metallurgy in NJ, and Philly…
Invite them to tour the Battleship!
Stretch marks and electrolysis are popular conversations for some people…. 😃
@@AC-jk8wq Ryan said that the notch shown was "... the only visible damage on any of the propellers," and later says "...some of the blade is missing, some of the blade is bent inwards." Doesn't sound like electrolysis.
The aftermath of an attack by the rare metal-toothed cookiecutter shark?
A hammerhead shark is more apropos.
The bow damage could have been from the starboard anchor chain pulling across the bow as turned with the wind while at anchor.
Not in that small of a section
On July 30th, 1912, the USS North Dakota had photographs showing damage done to her front buldge due to the anchor being dropped. I believe this might be a similar situation here with New Jersey. Dents can be seen on the National Archives. National Archives Identifier: 6038105 and 6880558.
ha ha... that commercial with ryan eating cereal... that was awesome
Measure the spacing of the stretch marks and compare it to the pitch of the anchor chain, my suggestion is that an anchor (or mooring) chain dragged across the bow and scratched the paint off which let the corrosion take hold. Also see if there are similar marks on the other side of the bow for your erosion theory but I’m skeptical of that. Great video as always 👍
I, along with my family, started doing volunteer work in February 2001.. She was tied up further down across from the SS United States ( near what was the Delmonte water tower ).. I remember a bad storm came up the Delaware and pushed the ship away from the pier and the temporary gang plank fell down and a few of us were stuck aboard till crane came to put gang plank back.. Maybe propeller clipped something?.. She was tied starboard side to peir
I knew sponsors and adds would come along eventually, great to see more support for the channel and NJ.. but I was not expecting cereal! Find that hilarious for some reason.
Looks like you're doing a great job Ryan and team. Would love to come and see her one day.
This cereal ads have been sponsoring videos on previous occasions. Much better than the company that was selling land in Scotland.
If you get to go visit the ship, you’ll also find that Subaru is the “official car of Battleship New Jersey” 😂
@@Biker_Gremling Yeah, those Established Titles ads are a "we don't talk about that" moment for many CZcams channels, not just this one.
Kudos for doing the videos in the rain.
Ryan eating cereal is the B roll footage I didn’t know I needed to see 😂
I've had Magic Spoon before. It was okay. Have to say that the 'cereal' base they use has a samey aftertaste regardless of the 'flavor' you are eating. The flavor is definitely forward and not unpleasant, but it's that aftertaste and something about the texture (stale Cap'n Crunch?) that kept me from going back.
I like the part where he reads the box 😂
Those pesky Delaware River piranha have been up to no good again....😂. Can you film a closeup of the damage to the propeller?
That dent in the bow might have come from when they bumped the Soviet sub in front of them at a red-light when the Sub driver passed out drunk!!!😂
Lmao. Good explanation.
Exactly my thought!
. . One ping only .. . . . .
No way the cops would have pulled em over for DUI
As for the propeller, maybe a steel cable that the ship encountered while under tow “sawed” and bent the metal? Hence the rounded shape. Just a guess.
always wonderful my friend Ryan........thank you so much
RYAN SAID STRETCH MARKS! I am now at peace.
They do look almost exactly like stretch marks though. Lol. Perfect comparison!
Is he implying that the Battleship New Jersey is FAT??? Sacrilege! The bulbous bow is just because she is big boned. That is all.
YESSSS! ... But who was the father and where is the offspring?
The aftereffects of her birthing a couple destroyers. 😂😂
@@davidciaffa4711 Don't you mean... _berthing?_
Kraken scratches...
LMAO!!
When I toured underneath USS Midway CV-41 in drydock in Yokosuka Japan, 73-76, there was a long scratch on the bottom of the hull, memory says 264 feet, but don't rely on that. It had not been there in the previous drydocking (Hunters Point, late 72? to early 73?), and there was no entry in any log. Of course everyone was laughing about having sheared the periscope off a Russian sub, but more likely it was a log or semi-submerged jetsam or flotsam container.
Thanks for the updates and the mysteries.
Ryan,
Great advertising skills! 😃
Part of being a great curator…
Battleship NJ is fortunate to have you aboard!
Go Magic Spoon!
8:24 nice refocusing on the propeller then back to Ryan! Great video!
Yikes, you guys get more rain than we do in the PNW! Re: the dents, is Ryan avoiding saying "We hit a whale. RIP."
It’s rained every weekend so far since March 2. Very unusual for us.
_"It fits a variety of lifestyles, like high protein for if you're about to take a battleship into dry dock..."_ - I fell out laughing when he said that. Ryan makes me laugh. I would like to think someone who was on that ship at the time would remember something hitting the stack so hard it left a big dent. _"Opppps!"_
Keep up the Excellent work Sir!
love listning to your explanaions
1:20 cable mooring lines rubbing against the hull caused this, or from minesweeper gear.
9:50 cable got fouled on the screw during the tow.
The diagonal line of pitting on the hull looks like its where the anchor chain scraped all paint off, and then the corrosion happenned. The anchor chain , and the dent on the bow, only happens when deploying or weighing anchor while under way...
The ship carries the scars and cuts of a long life of faithful service to her nation. May she continue her deserved retirement for many many decades to come.
Saltwater Termites, Ryan....
A cereal company doing at spots on a battleship restoration. What a wild timeline we’re in
I don't know why, but that line about "a loud gong sound" just cracked me up.
The ripples on the newly painted bow are surely entirely different, but remind me of seeing in-service B-52's at air shows. On the ground their hull is kind of rippled since it is so thin. Apparently this is thought to be okay and it puffs out at altitude! The skin on so many of these things is not as thick as you might expect.
Question: Is that chunk on that propeller bent towards the bow or stern?
That would certainly give a big clue as to exactly what happened. I. E. If it's bemt towards the bow, it's pretty obvious that something hit it from the rear, whereas if it's bent aft, it probably happened when she was getting towed, and struck some sort of submerged hazard.
Intriguing!
I was on dd-972 Oldendorf and a tug slammed into us. dented the side and knocked a soda can machine off its mount. That happened in San Diego.
Ryan: "you have made scratch on my battleship!" - the video! :)
I can't believe it, but I just ordered some of that cereal from your link. Seems fun and healthy.
I worked on and rode her as an electrician for Long Beach Naval Shipyard. I helped install tank level indicators in most of the tanks and the peak tank did not have that dimple when we were in there. I'm wondering if it occurred during the high speed run where we got up to 35 knots? Checking for variations in thickness in and around that area may give you clues.
Great job Ryan. Would be interesting to watch invitational interviews of Navy officers that served on this magnificent ship.
The diagonal lines are quite likely to be from links of anchor chain rubbing.
Will you make a highres laser scan of the ship to get a 3D model for research and documentation?
no
I am sure I read somewhere that Joe Namath went to visit the ship during its Vietnam reactivation. He probably fired a few footballs at the bow!
I think you're correct about the marks on the bow. Either cavitation or marks left from debris hitting it. All it takes is one scratch in the paint and over time, moving at her speed, I'm sure that would just propagate. Even if it was only for a few years between dry docking.
I suspect policy is to stop moving before dropping anchor or you risk denting and breaching the front of the ship with a strike from an anchor pushed by the water back. Maybe it was an emergency drop or just poor control dropped the anchor once while it was moving, it only happened once so I suspect they leaned. The bangs on the side and blade probably came from grounding, if it sits in mud currently that would be the most likely place, mud is probably not all mud and there are rocks also. Where was it docked, any other shallow where it touches a muddy bottom. The bent up side keels seem to be under the shadow or protection of the side of the ship, the paint on the side would take the beating of any canal scrapes, I assume the canal is like a dock and goes straight down.
1:21 classified attack by the Kraken left those marks.
A free battle ship with every empty box of Magic Spoon!
Ryan could have a contest where you too can dry dock your own little card board battle wagon!
Build one now ! You show them how!
Winner gets a fresh supply of Magic Spoon for a year!
Runner up gets a month supply and third gets a box of powdered milk....
Just floating this idea. what do you all think of it?
The Battle of New Jersey Cod
Has the ship ever been in Arctic/Antarctic waters? Old glacial ice is pretty hard, and steaming through pack-ice floes could cause continuous scraping at the paintwork where the ice is pushed aside. Bearing in mind that ice is 90% under water might explain why it is below the boot-line.
That screw look like it was dragged over something at some point while being towed. There is a lot of forgotten junk in the water in the US
I remember you saying in a previous video that these ships were known for vibration from the propellers. I wonder if these were fitted with PBCF if it would have helped. Great info. Thanks for sharing.
i would agree with another commenter, the stripes on the bow could be from the anchor chain rubbing on the hull as it drops.
Why does the theme form “Unsolved Mysteries” suddenly start playing in my mind? 😂😂😂
A lot of the underwater damage can be attributed to trees. Trees often float downstream and end up in the strangest places. And as they stay in the water and absorb it, they frequently achieve neutral buoyancy and hand suspended in the water column. They can get banged around anywhere but especially in shallow water, like a channel or even at the dock. Now, the damage to the bilge keels looks kind of like hard contact with something hard.
that pitting in the plate, textbook example of corrosion of metal in the faults of the steel, a teacher of mine used photos from another ship as the pitting occurs in the larger grains with buildup carbon (ie, non-uniform and non-desired carbon deposits) in the metal first before moving on to the smaller grains so over a long period of time (exposure). it wears away along the natural grain patterns in the steel over large sheets that were consecutively from the same batch and laid down as the ship was built. this occurs in all steel so you will eventually see the same in the newer plates as well, though the pitting will be finer, wider, less noticeable bands, and much, much smaller as the amount of buildup carbon in modern steels is less than that of older as quality control has improved over time
I wonder how many trips a day Ryan is making on those stairs going up and down to the drydock? Could be building some good calf muscles.
about 13 years ago I saw a home video by my Fellow BB62 Shipmate GMG2 Paul Berman Turret Gunner that was taken during the Tiger Cruise in 1989 Steel Deck BBQ while underway. Ive tried to get a copy of it but has not been able to find it .
1. Electrical or galvanic corrosion related to being in the same position for a very long time. Caused by numerous issues. Zinks on a nearby vessel or shore infrastructure, electrical leakage or large dissimilar metals nearby. 2 drydocking injury, especially a floating drydock
If all dents are parallel, and under the waterline, it could be a contact with another ship propeller.
The colossal squid strikes again!!!!!!!
It’s from the chains rubbing when it was sitting before the museum location
First one looks like they ran into a submarine. Intentionally or otherwise. Both the US and USSR/Russia would try and stay right under each other's ships in the sonar dead zone. Many instances of subs getting hit with ship props, and vice versa.
no
edit: hm, if metal's bent, that's as strike. There wouldn't be any noise necessary. The prop's mass and it being under water would deafen any sounds. And prop tips are very fragile. I've seen titanium props with chips, thinned enough, materials behave in weird ways.
Given how round it is... i wonder if it's not a crack that got ground out. AFAIK, if you have cracks in stuff like this, you want to make the hole as perfectly round as possible. Cymbals and other similar musical percussion instruments can actually be made to still work after they get cracked if you carefully remove the material in that area, neatly.
A strike through any material would make noise
@@WinnieThePugh Yes, but the water and the prop's sheer mass would muffle the sound enough that you wouldn't be able to hear it. Jet skis and some boats with inboard engines have their exhausts underwater for that exact reason.
I’m curious, did New Jersey or any other Iowa class Battleship ever have to deal with or plow through ice? Ice breaker style?
no
Question: Speaking of that gouge out of the prop. Have the prop shafts turned, at all, since the ship has been decommissioned / a museum ship? Yes, I get that the engines aren't going to turn them (can't fire up the boilers because of the museum agreement, etc). Have they turned, at all, by other means? Are then locked by some kind of shaft lock? Thx. Also, thx for answering the coatings question a couple weeks back. Great job on this docking. Keep her in good shape for the next gen.
When I came of age in the 80's, WW2 was only 40-45 years distant in the past. The neighbor when I was growing up was a submariner in the Pacific. Now, it's 50 years to get one only back to Vietnam. It won't be too long until it'll be 40 years to Gulf War 1. Keep the history intact.
The stretchmarks: My guess is that erosion have damaged the anti corrosion and then left it vulnerable.
Remember Cunninghams words: A lot more ships has been a ground thqn have ever been reported.
Just from the apparent shape and angle of the chunk out of the propeller, it almost makes me wonder if there was some sort of chain or cable rubbing against it in mothballs and it just, sawed it's way into the blade, bending it and removing some material. It very much reminds me of marks I've made when I slipped cutting/filing something.
I think the bow pitting is from when the ship was used in the " Philadelphia Experiment " That impressed current system isn't what you think it is . . . . .
The 3rd on is from the Pennsylvania megalodon. 10 trips through the panama canal. Could that be a record for a US Navy ship? Any transits of Suez Canal or Straights of Malacca in her career?
Wating for the video on the other side of that dent when she is back home!
i dont know bout the pitting, but perhaps you buzz some welding rods in there and grind it flat?
That magic spoon looked delicious as you spit it out !
Somewhere an OOD or a BMC is remembering an oops.
So wise , Thank You. Gremlins
Ryan, it's an easy answer that plagued many ships from the past, The Gigantic Killer Squid. 🐙
The diagonal stipes look similar to cavitation damage I've seen in primary coolant pumps and other pumps where two phase (liquid and vapor) are possible. I would expect that careful work with sonar might be able to hear them. Ryan's comments about 'flow patterns' coming off of the bow would explain why they are diagonal. Just a though from one who has seen similar damage in other water bearing systems.
I still want to know what was in those pallets in storage that Ryan said they never had a chance to go through
Balancing the shaft for vibration
Great video and very interesting.
About the chunked propellor. Once the ship was designated to be mothballed I assume it went to drydock for that preparation.
That after that it is then towed to it's berthing spot in the mothball fleet.
Is it ever considered that the engines may be started in order to preserve it's functionality? (Does the Navy start up mothballed ships just to keep them ready for possible re-commissioning)?
If that is a thing the Navy does then it would seem possible that something went awry during a start up and explain the chunk that is there.
That's the only explanation I can think of other than the theories Ryan expressed.
Super interesting.
This stretch marks look to be about the same distance apart as each chain link. My guess is the ship moved forward on a slack anchor and the chain links scratched through the paint exposing the steel. They are too consistent in separation to be anything else. On the bow, since it is under the water line, it is possible the ship hit some debris while underway. The chunk in the prop though, that will always be a mystery since it has been locked in place since drydock.
That diagonal damage on the side looks like it could have been caused by cables or chain from something that the ship was towing from the bow. The scraped off paint would then lead to more corrosion in those spots.
Stress corrosion cracking might a well. Would be dependent on steel type.
Another thought on the bow scratches.
Need to get underway from anchor fast. Haul up the anchor and get the screws turning. By the time the anchor is near the surface, the ship is moving, and the anchor gets pulled up against the hull by the motion of the ship through the water. It swings on the chain, leaving an arcing scratch, and it's being pulled upward too. The scratches aren't noticed as they are underwater, and deep enough in the protective coatings to expose steel. The scratches rust over the months and even years before they are even noticed well below the waterline, let alone the ship gets drydocked. The scratches get plenty of time well below the waterline in the forward area against the rushing water it plows aside to rust and pit.
Outside of the Battleship movie I can’t see that scenario happening, that would be quite reckless
I remember in one of the videos Ryan mentioned that they left their anchor behind in either Korea or possibly Vietnam, I don't remember which, in order to get underway faster. I was thinking maybe the dent in the bow could have been from the end of the anchor chain whipping back after clearing the hawse pipe. @@cruisinguy6024
Both the forward dent on the bow and also the erosion along the sides and angling upward could possibly be explained by encountering some ice flow. Ice impact on the bow could easily dent, while the scrapes, at an angle, are quite similar to how ice could scrape and cause paint to come off at an angle. Lastly, with regard to the propeller, is it possible that New Jersey was towed through an area with a submerged steel cable? It certainly appears like a notch a woven cable would inflict and could also bend the propeller.
If the New Jersey ever had to sail out an anchor stuck on the seabed, uncontrolled anchor movement above the waterline may account for the ding in the bow. Very rare. The ding in the outer starboard screw may have been from a blunt trauma incident years before. The impact leaves thousands of very small cracks in the metal which quickly corrodes. Shipyard personnel (yard rats) at times would weld graphics on the hull to identify which ship they had repaired. A 2" triangle. A 1" circle with a line drawn diagonally through the circle. Sometimes an angle grinder was used to remove them. Sometimes they were ignored and the ship left the drydock with them still intact. You see all sorts of interesting stuff.
Except for the propeller I suspect the majority of the damage was made going through the Panama Canal. I guess in their rush to complete the Panama Canal in the early 1900s completing the canal within a certain timeframe was more important than building it wide enough for bigger ships in the future.
HI RYAN ,, MY SON MAX 9 YR.S OLD SAYS JAWS THE GREAT WHITE SHARK TOOK A BITE OFF THE PROPELLER, HA!! .. WE BOTH ENJOY YOU AND THE WORKERS WORKING ON THIS GREAT SHIP!! WE LIKE OUR TEAKWOOD THAT WAS ONCE ON THE SHIP ITS OLD,, MAX HAS IT IN HIS SEE THREW CASE WITH ITS AUTHENTICITY FROM THE BATTLESHIP NEW JERSEY,,, THANK YOU!!!
About the prop damage: Have a metallurgist have a look at it. Maybe he can see scratches or measure the amount of erosion or corrosion (compared to other places) so he can conclude something (like how old it is)..
I'd say the angled 'corrosion' marks may be from a metallurgy of how the steel was rolled during production?
Have you looked into when you put the plates over the rusted arias of the hull doing a vacuum and fill any void with epoxy ? between the new and old plate
The prop damage could have been one of the chains that keeps her secure if the main rope moorings snapped. My guess is one of them might have been loose and got stuck under there at high tide then went back to normal at low tide, or even when she was put in place for the first time.