48 yrs, male, 178cm (5'10"), 82,5 kg (181 #). Training for 2 years again. Press pr is 5, 5, 5 x 60 kg (132#). I was kind of sick for a week and now its 2, 3, 3 x 60 kg (132#). Thank you for your valuable and entertaining work!
Page 82 of Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training talks about the Grip for the Press. The Grip permits the “squeeze” of the fingertips into the bar. This tightens the forearms and upper body. The shrug is pre activated. I started squeezing the stuffing out of the bar and it made a big difference.
Squeezing the bar for the head press is extremely effective. I came across this 2 days ago. Thank you for excellent information. 45 and strength training twice a day.4 days a week. High intensity singles in the morning and 5 reps at a less intensive weight. This page is conformation for strength training forever.
Dr.Sullivan,I'm a 69 y.o.orthopaedic surgeon,very much into strength training since my youthful days..Hoping that I can drop by and meet you personally at your gym in the near future..plan to attend a seminar in Boston this June.tqsm
This vid is a round of applause, two snaps and hi five. Entertaining, informative, practical intellectual humor and medical facts with a specific prescription. Electrocution press+fingertip cues are priceless. My nails prevent a hard finger tip press but I still benefit and have increased loading.
Great video doc! I can press more after I power clean the bar off the ground(no leg drive) vs pressing from the rack. I think this video helps me understand why:)
this is fascinating! so my only lifting experience is from 3 years of CrossFit (which I burnt out on). the overhead/shoulder press is begun in the front rack position, with elbows high. For me, that was always challenging due to a rotator cuff issue. I see that you aren't doing that at all! and your slight lean back before pressing the bar up is interesting. Do you explain this in your book? Next payday I'm going to purchase it for sure!
Hey do you ever coach coaches? Im a certified personal trainer and recently started studying to be a physical therapist and someone with your wisdom is just what I need
Neat cue to focus on. Tried it myself today. Think I've been kinda bouncing down from my lockouts on the press and tried squeezing it all out deliberately at the top like this.
Love your videos! I am 78 , got your book, and just starting back on overhead lifts as I had should pain for years and did not lift any over head movements. Starting the overhead press at a small weight. I am finding I need to bend my knees and throw it up. Should I reduce the weight and only do it standing still or will this eventually build my strength to get to a still overhead press. Or does it matter as long as I do it.?
You need to deload to a weight you can do with correct form--no knees!--and then work back up. Investing in microplates is essential for progress on the bench and press, especially after the initial novice phase and for us older folk. Stay on it!
I imPRESS all the gym noobs as they never put big weight overhead. People assume I'm squatting then I do a beautiful lean-back press and the ground trimbles
I’ve found I do much better if I take a slightly wider grip than recommended because of mobility issues. I’m able to externally rotate more and keep the bar in my center of gravity without leaning back so much. Also my right arm doesn’t fully straighten out but I lockout as much as I can. I am slowly working my grip in some however.
Thanks for posting this, I can’t get my hands anywhere near my shoulders with the close grip. I think I can do it the way you demonstrate though. Oh yeah, my right arm won’t lockout completely, so it’s not going to look like yours at the top. I really enjoy your videos!
ok. I'm lacking this last squeeze of the shoulders lately. Tomorrow I will make a PR attempt on the press, so I will not also push the harder that I can, but I will try to keep the bar some seconds up there.
Hello Sully, love your videos! I am 70 years old and have been lifting and doing CrossFit for 10 years. My question is regarding the overhead press, which is my least favorite thing to do with a barbell lol. I notice you do a quick, small (maybe inch and half?) drop before pressing the weight overhead to lockout. Is it OK to do that if we were being judged at a meet? Thanks!
I've been enjoying your videos. I noticed a slight arch when you are doing your OHP and personally try not to do this due to possible back injury as a result of "over arching." Thoughts?
Yeah, it's such a perfect demonstration of the principle. Grind 1015 off the floor...and then just stand there with it. That's how every dead should look, no matter the weight. Thanks for watching, Hossak.
When should you do the "press 1.5" where you breath/reset at the top of the press, which enables you to use the bounce at the bottom? Also how often should a master train OHP? E.g. in your book, HLM typically has only 1 day/week to train heavy OHP. Seems like there could be a light day as well?
In the book, Andy likes to emphasize the bench for older athletes. I like to rotate HLM "cycles:" a bench cycle (heavy and medium bench day, light press day) and a press cycle (heavy and medium press day, light bench day). I like the press 1.5, and usually introduce it during the late novice/early intermediate phase. Thanks for the question!
@@GreySteel ahhh cycles is a good solution, thanks! Do you yourself perform press 1.5? Didn't see it in your videos of what looked like pretty heavy presses!
My shoulder hurt even i shrug. i hear clicking /popping sensation, i just feel my shoulders are very unstable, moving out from socket. Im only lifting the bar itself.
Ok. Question. I had a surgery that severed the nerve that controls a large portion of my serratus anterior. This had lead to the overhead press being- unachievable at significant weight. What should I do instead? Or is there a way to vary that particular exercise so that it doesn’t cause my whole right shoulder to go into spasm mode?
Sounds like a long thoracic nerve injury. THat's a problem, but I've trained people around it before. Incline bench, dumbbell presses, rack presses (against the uprights), and curls are all exercises I've used to substitute. This is where a good coach can be very helpful. Do you have one?
More presses. Also bench, squat, dead, chins. Honestly, while accessory work does have its place, particularly in competitors, I believe it is VASTLY overrated and overused, especially in those who are lifting for general health and performance.
Press been a nightmare for a while now and reset several times in recent history. I seem to be gassing out on rep 4 and 5 each and every work set over about 55kg. In particular the bar path for rep 4 and 5 is awful with the bar shifting backwards out of the sweet spot and getting very sticky or just stuck. I've not found much info on this specific type of form creep. Taking long rests between sets(up to 10 minutes) to not much avail. Thru this most recent struggle I have discovered that a short 45s-1min rest after rep 3 allows the subsequent 4th and 5th to find their way to the top with a decent bar bath. My plan fwd is to see if I can shorten the extended rest between sets ('cause press is taking up a lot of wkt time) while squeezing out rep 4 and 5 after as short a rest as possible. Configuring the exact formula for me will take time, but in the short time I've been manipulating these variables I seem to be progressing. Age:50, BW 78Kg, best previous press is 61 for 3*3 . Press for today is hopefully... 3*(3 + 2)@57kg . This weekend I'm dropping back down to 55kg and see if I can nail that for 3*5 and consider it a step in the right direction of a PB.
One thing I've discovered about the press -- and the dead! -- is that sets for reps at heavy weight do not tolerate lollygagging. A set of heavy presses has to GET DONE in about 45s, or (at least in my case) the last rep or two won't be there. Also, I prefer the press 1.5 for sets for reps--in part because it encourages moving through the set quickly. Finally, if you're working heavy, you may find that a top set of five is no longer indicated. Try driving up your triples, then deload for sets of five. This is a VERY POWERFUL APPROACH that we use for athletes at Greysteel. The fives drive up the triples (or, eventually, singles) and the single pulls up the fives. Give it a try, and thanks for watching.
48 yrs, male, 178cm (5'10"), 82,5 kg (181 #). Training for 2 years again. Press pr is 5, 5, 5 x 60 kg (132#). I was kind of sick for a week and now its 2, 3, 3 x 60 kg (132#).
Thank you for your valuable and entertaining work!
Thanks for watching, Walter!
Page 82 of Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training talks about the Grip for the Press. The Grip permits the “squeeze” of the fingertips into the bar. This tightens the forearms and upper body. The shrug is pre activated. I started squeezing the stuffing out of the bar and it made a big difference.
The grip is essential, and we've talked about it elsehwere, but it is not my experience that a perfect grip precludes an imperfect shrug.
@@GreySteel *Love* the triple negative!😂
Squeezing the bar for the head press is extremely effective. I came across this 2 days ago. Thank you for excellent information. 45 and strength training twice a day.4 days a week. High intensity singles in the morning and 5 reps at a less intensive weight. This page is conformation for strength training forever.
It isn't a shocking cue, it is a fantastic cue.
Great video and I found your cues to be extremely helpful! Thanks for all your videos and good advice, I enjoy your content.
I love everything about this.
Sully, I like the electrified analogy, I will definitely add it!
I think you'll like it, Neil!
Dr.Sullivan,I'm a 69 y.o.orthopaedic surgeon,very much into strength training since my youthful days..Hoping that I can drop by and meet you personally at your gym in the near future..plan to attend a seminar in Boston this June.tqsm
This vid is a round of applause, two snaps and hi five. Entertaining, informative, practical intellectual humor and medical facts with a specific prescription. Electrocution press+fingertip cues are priceless. My nails prevent a hard finger tip press but I still benefit and have increased loading.
The Barbell Prescription is the best book on training I have ever read. It brilliant and I’ve read it multiple times. Keep up the great work!
Great video doc! I can press more after I power clean the bar off the ground(no leg drive) vs pressing from the rack. I think this video helps me understand why:)
Good advice for those with healthy elbows.
Glad to see a new upload :) Hurray!
Absolutely brilliantly. 💪💪💪 Thanks for sharing.
this is fascinating! so my only lifting experience is from 3 years of CrossFit (which I burnt out on). the overhead/shoulder press is begun in the front rack position, with elbows high. For me, that was always challenging due to a rotator cuff issue. I see that you aren't doing that at all! and your slight lean back before pressing the bar up is interesting. Do you explain this in your book? Next payday I'm going to purchase it for sure!
Hi Dr Scully thanks great video
Thanks, Jeffrey, and thanks for watching.
LOVE the Oak Tree graphic!!!!!
Such a simple thing...took me forever. My graphix fu is not strong. :) Thanks for watching, Will!
Good cue. I have to try that one when I get back to pressing.
another great and instructive video, much appreciated
Thank you.
Hey do you ever coach coaches? Im a certified personal trainer and recently started studying to be a physical therapist and someone with your wisdom is just what I need
Great content coach, thanks.
You are very kind. Thanks, Andy!
This was wonderful!!!!
Great shirt!
Thank you! My design! Even better than you think: That's a Vulcan doing the deadlift. 😂
Thanks buddy! Cant wait to try tomorrow
“…a huge weight at a glorious height” jeez Sully, Doctor-coach-poet. Verisimilitude where one least expects it.
Neat cue to focus on. Tried it myself today. Think I've been kinda bouncing down from my lockouts on the press and tried squeezing it all out deliberately at the top like this.
Hope this helps, Cap'n. Let us know.
I'm trying :)
DOUG BRIGNOLE WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE 😂😂
Love your videos!
I am 78 , got your book, and just starting back on overhead lifts as I had should pain for years and did not lift any over head movements. Starting the overhead press at a small weight. I am finding I need to bend my knees and throw it up. Should I reduce the weight and only do it standing still or will this eventually build my strength to get to a still overhead press. Or does it matter as long as I do it.?
You need to deload to a weight you can do with correct form--no knees!--and then work back up. Investing in microplates is essential for progress on the bench and press, especially after the initial novice phase and for us older folk. Stay on it!
I imPRESS all the gym noobs as they never put big weight overhead. People assume I'm squatting then I do a beautiful lean-back press and the ground trimbles
I’ve found I do much better if I take a slightly wider grip than recommended because of mobility issues. I’m able to externally rotate more and keep the bar in my center of gravity without leaning back so much. Also my right arm doesn’t fully straighten out but I lockout as much as I can. I am slowly working my grip in some however.
Thanks for posting this, I can’t get my hands anywhere near my shoulders with the close grip. I think I can do it the way you demonstrate though.
Oh yeah, my right arm won’t lockout completely, so it’s not going to look like yours at the top. I really enjoy your videos!
The whole point of The Barbell Prescription is to load YOUR movement. We focus on what you can do, not what you can't. Keep training.
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Absolutely bang on instructional vid , but I have to ask how wide or narrow for that matter should a person hold the bar? Please advise 🥰👌
40+ years training, still maintaining 12-1400 lbs powerlifting total. However, my overhead press is crippled by lack of shoulder rotation. HELP!!!
ok. I'm lacking this last squeeze of the shoulders lately. Tomorrow I will make a PR attempt on the press, so I will not also push the harder that I can, but I will try to keep the bar some seconds up there.
Hello Sully, love your videos! I am 70 years old and have been lifting and doing CrossFit for 10 years. My question is regarding the overhead press, which is my least favorite thing to do with a barbell lol. I notice you do a quick, small (maybe inch and half?) drop before pressing the weight overhead to lockout. Is it OK to do that if we were being judged at a meet? Thanks!
Honestly, depends on the meet....and the judge. For what we're doing, a hip-n-dip works well.
🏋♂️⚡⚡⚡! Thank you...
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I've been enjoying your videos. I noticed a slight arch when you are doing your OHP and personally try not to do this due to possible back injury as a result of "over arching." Thoughts?
3:14 is just so beautiful. Everytime I hear of a big deadlift and see they used straps, bah! Ask Beni how it is done! I love watching that lift!
Yeah, it's such a perfect demonstration of the principle. Grind 1015 off the floor...and then just stand there with it. That's how every dead should look, no matter the weight. Thanks for watching, Hossak.
Sully,
Are intermediate/ advanced programs outlined in the book?
Corny but actually pretty good!
What will be the width of both hands for overhead press
When should you do the "press 1.5" where you breath/reset at the top of the press, which enables you to use the bounce at the bottom? Also how often should a master train OHP? E.g. in your book, HLM typically has only 1 day/week to train heavy OHP. Seems like there could be a light day as well?
In the book, Andy likes to emphasize the bench for older athletes. I like to rotate HLM "cycles:" a bench cycle (heavy and medium bench day, light press day) and a press cycle (heavy and medium press day, light bench day).
I like the press 1.5, and usually introduce it during the late novice/early intermediate phase.
Thanks for the question!
@@GreySteel ahhh cycles is a good solution, thanks! Do you yourself perform press 1.5? Didn't see it in your videos of what looked like pretty heavy presses!
@@Morgan_ I do, in fact, train 1.5...but you can only see it on sets for reps, natch.
My shoulder hurt even i shrug. i hear clicking /popping sensation, i just feel my shoulders are very unstable, moving out from socket. Im only lifting the bar itself.
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I'm ready to get electricuted.
Ok. Question. I had a surgery that severed the nerve that controls a large portion of my serratus anterior. This had lead to the overhead press being- unachievable at significant weight. What should I do instead? Or is there a way to vary that particular exercise so that it doesn’t cause my whole right shoulder to go into spasm mode?
Sounds like a long thoracic nerve injury. THat's a problem, but I've trained people around it before. Incline bench, dumbbell presses, rack presses (against the uprights), and curls are all exercises I've used to substitute. This is where a good coach can be very helpful. Do you have one?
@@GreySteel you nailed the insult- that’s exactly the severed nerve. Right now I’m just a home gym guy, no coach.
@@DS-vu5yo I'd think about working with one at least temporarily. Could really help.
What accessories should you do for this lift??
More presses. Also bench, squat, dead, chins.
Honestly, while accessory work does have its place, particularly in competitors, I believe it is VASTLY overrated and overused, especially in those who are lifting for general health and performance.
@@GreySteel do you have a video talking about fitness plans for people who want to get strong but don’t necessarily want to compete?
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Press been a nightmare for a while now and reset several times in recent history. I seem to be gassing out on rep 4 and 5 each and every work set over about 55kg. In particular the bar path for rep 4 and 5 is awful with the bar shifting backwards out of the sweet spot and getting very sticky or just stuck. I've not found much info on this specific type of form creep. Taking long rests between sets(up to 10 minutes) to not much avail. Thru this most recent struggle I have discovered that a short 45s-1min rest after rep 3 allows the subsequent 4th and 5th to find their way to the top with a decent bar bath. My plan fwd is to see if I can shorten the extended rest between sets ('cause press is taking up a lot of wkt time) while squeezing out rep 4 and 5 after as short a rest as possible. Configuring the exact formula for me will take time, but in the short time I've been manipulating these variables I seem to be progressing. Age:50, BW 78Kg, best previous press is 61 for 3*3 . Press for today is hopefully... 3*(3 + 2)@57kg . This weekend I'm dropping back down to 55kg and see if I can nail that for 3*5 and consider it a step in the right direction of a PB.
One thing I've discovered about the press -- and the dead! -- is that sets for reps at heavy weight do not tolerate lollygagging. A set of heavy presses has to GET DONE in about 45s, or (at least in my case) the last rep or two won't be there. Also, I prefer the press 1.5 for sets for reps--in part because it encourages moving through the set quickly.
Finally, if you're working heavy, you may find that a top set of five is no longer indicated. Try driving up your triples, then deload for sets of five. This is a VERY POWERFUL APPROACH that we use for athletes at Greysteel. The fives drive up the triples (or, eventually, singles) and the single pulls up the fives. Give it a try, and thanks for watching.
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