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  • čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
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    In this episode we're talking about the longest hits from a battleship.
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  • @BattleshipNewJersey
    @BattleshipNewJersey  Před měsícem +13

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    • @greatwarships2758
      @greatwarships2758 Před měsícem +1

      Hi, excellent video, probably one of my favorite videos from the channel so far.
      Can you please include some links (in a comment or video description) to the sources used for further ease of access?

  • @Zeppflyer
    @Zeppflyer Před měsícem +237

    I can't wait for the Drachinifel special discussing this.
    But yeah. I'll buy the logic. The target isn't the ship. It's the box around the ship where the shells can do damage.

    • @timothyreilly4499
      @timothyreilly4499 Před měsícem +25

      Hell Yeah. That should be good for at least a 3 hour dry dock episode from Drac!!!

    • @davideidolon927
      @davideidolon927 Před měsícem +18

      Drach has already discussed a few of Yamato's long range near misses and said that they are near misses, not hits.
      If the shell actually penetrated the target underwater that would still be a hit, everyone agrees that hit below the waterline are still hits, but shells exploding near a target and causing damage have always been classified as near misses.

    • @vapormissile
      @vapormissile Před měsícem +12

      ​@@davideidolon927you need to draw a line, for purposes of discussion. But it sure is fencing with words: Someone on a battleship sank an enemy ship, shot it to death with the ship's gun, without hitting it.

    • @lukedougherty7078
      @lukedougherty7078 Před měsícem +1

      Hood! Drach!🤘

    • @odiemac
      @odiemac Před měsícem +12

      Drach is gonna be so mad he called Kongo a Fast Battleship 😂

  • @joeb5316
    @joeb5316 Před měsícem +150

    Considering how heated the Brits and Germans can get in their squabbles (i.e. was Bismarck sunk or scuttled), drawing both of their ire is a bold move, sir.

    • @davidncw4613
      @davidncw4613 Před měsícem +6

      😆so true

    • @G777GUN
      @G777GUN Před měsícem +3

      It was scuttled but it also sank. So I dont see your point.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection Před měsícem +33

      My take on the Bismarck is this: She was sinking regardless. The scuttling just helped it sink faster.
      But if your enemy beats you to the point you feel you need to scuttle and abandon ship, then they sank your Battleship. Doesn't really matter who let in the final bit of water.

    • @vapormissile
      @vapormissile Před měsícem +2

      ​@@G777GUN"was sunk" is not the same as "sank"
      If you get in a sword fight & the other guy falls on his sword, you can't really claim you stabbed him to death.

    • @WilhelmvonFahrvergnugen
      @WilhelmvonFahrvergnugen Před měsícem +1

      perhaps a maritime duel is in order....

  • @red2001ss
    @red2001ss Před měsícem +71

    My mothers Step-dad, aka my Step-Grandfather, was on Gambier Bay when it was taken out by Yamato. He ended up in the water, but was rescued. Lucky to survive all that back then. He passed away in 2006.

    • @JB0143RP
      @JB0143RP Před měsícem +10

      Taffy 3 gave them hell as best they could

    • @HybridRenoII
      @HybridRenoII Před měsícem +3

      My Fraternal Grandfather Chester M. Richie was on Gambier Bay and he survived but yeah... Yamato ironically is my favorite Warship I love this dudes vids but the pic looked like Gambier under fire and that is why I'm watching it now as opposed to later

    • @markmclaughlin2690
      @markmclaughlin2690 Před měsícem

      My Father Kenneth McLaughlin served on CVE-73 USS Gambier Bay

  • @esmith3329
    @esmith3329 Před měsícem +103

    I LOVE that Big Mamie (USS Massachusetts) is on the list and that the French sent back one of the 16" rounds she sent into Jean Bart, which is on display on board BB-59.

    • @christianweagle6253
      @christianweagle6253 Před měsícem +2

      14" rounds

    • @topshotz17
      @topshotz17 Před měsícem

      ​@@christianweagle625316"

    • @mdb831
      @mdb831 Před měsícem

      @@christianweagle6253 16 inch en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Massachusetts_(BB-59)

    • @mdb831
      @mdb831 Před měsícem +10

      @@christianweagle6253 16 inch

    • @ab-dm3md
      @ab-dm3md Před měsícem +6

      @@christianweagle6253incorrect. What US battleship was believed to have fired the first and last 16” shell? Google is your best friend

  • @crazyguy32100
    @crazyguy32100 Před měsícem +56

    I've always had a spoft spot for Duke of York hitting Scharnhorst. It may not be as long ( about 20,000 yards) but it was during a true battleship vs battleship duel that damaged both sides, where most of the ones on this list were a battleship firing on a target with impunity, as the target had nowhere near the range or aiming capacity to fight back.

    • @rohanthandi4903
      @rohanthandi4903 Před měsícem +5

      Was that the only 2 way Radar directed Battleship fight? fucking insane

    • @crazyguy32100
      @crazyguy32100 Před měsícem +28

      @@rohanthandi4903 Yep. Battle of the North Cape. December 26th 1943. Pitch black, in a force 8 gale ice storm, in the winter, in the Arctic ocean, North of the very tip of Norway.
      Probably the worst weather conditions imaginable, at the top of the world, in the winter storm from hell. At full speed (26-31knots) battleships from both sides blasted at each other using radar plotting, muzzle flashes and occasional starshells only. 2nd last battleship v battleship action in history, the last one being Surigao Strait, which was an execution, not a fight.
      Scharnhorst was alone, heading for safety and would have gotten away to fight another day but the very last long range, unaimed, salvo from Duke of York found a boiler room and axed her speed, sealing her fate. Scharnhorst went to the bottom as a worthy foe. After the battle the British Admiral told his officers "I hope that if any of you lead a ship into action against a many times superior opponent, you will command your ship as gallantly as Scharnhorst was commanded today"".

    • @joshuamccasland8180
      @joshuamccasland8180 Před měsícem +1

      @@crazyguy32100as a combat veteran on land and I have to say I can’t imagine the tension in the air on the ships as the sea gave em a FN beaten as the shells rained in amongst the black of the night. That changes a man

    • @Matt-mt2vi
      @Matt-mt2vi Před měsícem +1

      Although your statement is mostly true. It wasnt the only one of 2 warships engaging each other. The USS Johnson was engaging multiple Japanese ships and was on what was basically a suicide mission. Yes the 5in fire was basically useless, but it did fire Torpedoes, that missed.
      The USS New Jersey was straddle by one of the Destoyers she was engaging, the torpedoes would have hit her if she wasn't warned by US Aircraft.
      The thin skinned CVE at Samar could of done some real damage that day if they had been warned (One of many Halsey failures leading up this battle)
      The Jean bart which was a Battleship but was not fully operational and was moored. did fire at the Massachusetts and the Massachusetts was hit and nearly hit by several shells. The Jean Bart is lucky to not have been operational as one of the shells pentrated its empty secondary munitions locker.
      But yes its the only Battleship maneuvering duel on open waters

    • @MCLegend13
      @MCLegend13 Před měsícem +2

      ⁠@@Matt-mt2vithat’s all very true and great points and all but none of Those aforementioned points you stated don’t really count for the point he was trying to convey.
      Reason being is that as they either aren’t against moving targets or aren’t a pure battleship vs battleship scenario which is why HMS Warspite and HMS Duke Of York should get more notice because they scored extremely long range hits against other fast moving Battleships
      1 engagement was Modern Battleship vs Modern Battleship HMS Duke Of York vs Scharnhorst and the other one was refitted Dreadnaught vs refitted Dreadnaught HMS Warspite vs Giulio Cesare.
      But still you do bring very valid points nonetheless

  • @paemt6220
    @paemt6220 Před měsícem +10

    Years ago, at a friend's family picnic, I had the honor of talking with a gentleman who served in the pacific as a Gunner's Mate on a Bofors 40mm. I don't recall which ship but I think it was a destroyer.
    The thing I remember most about our conversation was how much respect he had for the Japanese gunnery. He said they were excellent! So much so that he remembered times when his group would avoid the Japanese all day due to their superior gunnery, then close and attack at night because the Japanese did not have fire control radar and we did.
    The other thing I remember was how much he lit up when he said he was on a 40mm and I said, "oh, the Bofors". I was in my mid 20's then and I think he was very happy someone younger was interested. I think we talked for about 3 hours. One of the best conversations I have ever had.

    • @GeorgiaBoy1961
      @GeorgiaBoy1961 Před 26 dny +1

      @paemt6220 - Those are great stories... as a WW2 naval historian, I always love to learn new things...and there is always something new to learn when it comes to that conflict.
      The Japanese navy operated on wartime footing throughout the 1930s, since they were already presuming (behind closed doors, of course) that the U.S. would be their likely opponent. They drilled gunnery and torpedo drills relentlessly, and took special steps to select men with especially acute vision to serve as lookouts and gunnery officers. They also took the trouble to test and select men with exceptional night vision capabilities. And as the coming of war later proved, their technology and weaponry was first-class much of the time.
      All of these steps bore fruit when the war began, and the navies of the allied powers all paid the price in the early going in the Pacific, i.e., the U.S., British, Commonwealths and the Dutch.
      The Japanese also used colored dies for identification of a particular ship's guns, to aid in identifying the fall of shot at long range. This proved especially useful if several ships were engaging the same target, or just in the chaos of battle.
      The tide turned eventually, not only due to technological advances such as superior U.S. radar-controlled fire control, but due to the rising experience and expertise of the U.S. Navy, so hard won in those early IJN victories, and in the middle years of the war when things were in the balance.

    • @monsieurcommissaire1628
      @monsieurcommissaire1628 Před 18 dny

      What a gift. To have had any conversation with one of the heroes of the Greatest Generation is an honour, and you had a really good one.
      Let us always remember and revere them, and do our best to follow the examples they gave us.

  • @MrWashingToad
    @MrWashingToad Před měsícem +37

    Your list, in corrected curator units, ships with the longest shot is recorded with **:
    #10 At a range of roughly 10,150 curators distance, *IJN Yamato* (battleship) vs. USS Johnston (DD-557) (destroyer)
    #09 At a range of roughly 11,000 curators distance, *IJN Yamato* (battleship) vs. USS Gambier Bay (CVE-73) (escort carrier)
    #08 At a range of roughly 11,350 curators distance, *USS West Virginia (BB-48)* (battleship) vs. IJN Yamashiro (battleship).
    #06 At a range of roughly 13,000 curators distance, *HMS Warspite* (battleship) vs. Italian Navy ship Giulio Cesare (battleship)
    #06 At a range of roughly 13,000 curators distance, *Kriegsmarine (Nazi Germany Navy) Scharnhorst* (battleship) vs. HMS Glorious (aircraft carrier)
    #05 At a range of roughly 14,000 curators distance, *USS Massachusetts (BB-59)* (battleship) vs. French Navy ship Milan (destroyer)
    #04 At a range of roughly 11,250 curators distance, *USS Massachusetts (BB-59)* (battleship) vs. French Navy ship Jean Bart (fast battleship)
    #03 At a range of roughly 15,000 curators distance, *IJN Kongō* (fast battleship) vs. USS Heermann (DD-532) (destroyer)
    #02 At a range of roughly 17,000 curators distance, *IJN Yamato* (battleship) vs. USS White Plains (CVE-66) (escort carrier)
    #01 At a range of roughly 18,000 - 20,000 curators distance, *USS New Jersey (BB-62)* (battleship) vs. IJN Nowaki (destroyer)

    • @JZsBFF
      @JZsBFF Před měsícem

      Is tha the same unit as curator's size?

    • @papajohnloki
      @papajohnloki Před 27 dny

      Lundgrens book states the shell exploded under the White Plains- not a hit unless you believe that the hybrid battleshil Ise suffered 33 bomb 'hits'

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Před 19 dny

      USS Mass. vs MN JeanB - should that be 14,250 curators rather than 11,250?

  • @user-pz6ld1fv7x
    @user-pz6ld1fv7x Před měsícem +60

    I took a Behind the Scenes Firepower tour on Massachusetts about a month ago and the guide, a retired gunners mate on Wisconsin was adamant that Massachusetts hit a French destroyer at 29,000 yards

    • @battleshipcove-americasfle2150
      @battleshipcove-americasfle2150 Před měsícem

      It is highly believed from USS MASSACHUSETTS records and oral histories at the museum, French records, and Vincent O'Hara research that BIG MAMIE hit French destroyer Boulonnais at ~30,000 yards. However, we have no confirming evidence at this time like there is for the MILAN hit.

    • @wstavis3135
      @wstavis3135 Před měsícem +2

      I seem to recall there is some actual evidence to this as well, but no definitive proof.

    • @user-pz6ld1fv7x
      @user-pz6ld1fv7x Před měsícem +2

      He noted the new evidence about the hit that Ryan mentioned and then kept hitting the math of the plotting solution

    • @paulhutchinson7582
      @paulhutchinson7582 Před měsícem +1

      My father was on the Massachusetts for the entire war . He told us they had hits on two ships during the battle. Yes the French ship was at a pier when it was hit.

    • @rogerstlaurent8704
      @rogerstlaurent8704 Před 19 dny

      Just a little fun facts about the Big Mamie in one of her 16 inch gun turrets there is a scorecard on how many ships the Big Mamie hit and sunk in the battle of Casablanca 2 Destroyers and 1 French Battleship the Jean Bart .. Also in that battle the Jean Bart fired an 8 inch shell hitting the Big mamie giving her a Bandaid cut for damage .. But the 16 inch AP shell from the Big Mamie Tour Through Jean Barts Amor Plating and exploded 30 feet inside of the Jean Bart

  • @mikepotter5718
    @mikepotter5718 Před měsícem +17

    I understand HMS Rodney once hit Europe at 41,000 The Captain was heard to remark "when your shooting at those distance it really a matter of luck: :)

    • @brucesim2003
      @brucesim2003 Před měsícem +7

      Missing a continent really would take a bit of bad luck.

    • @daniel-leejones8396
      @daniel-leejones8396 Před měsícem

      ​@@brucesim2003my thoughts exactly, ha.

    • @michaelpielorz9283
      @michaelpielorz9283 Před měsícem

      Well, small Europe isn`t that easy targe you may think!

  • @grumpyboomer61
    @grumpyboomer61 Před měsícem +36

    I'm going to land on the side of damaging shots count. Case in point. There were occasions where Allied ships engaged advancing enemy tank formations, whereby they may not have actually hit a tank, but came close enough to flip it over or onto it's side. As a former infantryman, that's a hit in my book.

    • @x1heavy
      @x1heavy Před měsícem +2

      There is a account of that in one of the books I read first hand. The tank crew affected burned. That one hit was able to halt the assembly and march to contact by the armor that day.

  • @yet573
    @yet573 Před měsícem +17

    I’ve heard multiple times that Iowa and New Jersey during Hailstone had many extreme long range engagements and sunk fleeing Japanese ships because Admiral Spruance wanted to engage with the battleships and not let the carriers have all the fun

    • @Matt-mt2vi
      @Matt-mt2vi Před měsícem +2

      And he got lucky they didn't get hit by torpedoes because of that insistence.

    • @manilajohn0182
      @manilajohn0182 Před 20 dny +1

      Neither Iowa nor New Jersey registered any main battery hits during Operation Hailstone. As much as I hate to say it, Iowa's main battery gunnery was rather poor. She engaged Katori in a daytime clear visibility scenario using the Mark 8 at an average distance of less than 14,500 yards. When she opened fire, Katori had already been hit by a torpedo, from 2- 7 bombs, numerous 8" and 5" hits from U.S. cruisers and destroyers, was making no more than 1- 2 knots at best (one report had her dead in the water) and was already sinking. Iowa fired 46 rounds. Per the ship's after- action report, the captain claimed no hits, stating that all salvoes were straddles. He also added that the main battery shell splashes were easily visible both visually and by the Mark 8.
      There are two likely reasons for this. The first was the significant shell dispersion of the class (1.9% of range for a nine- gun salvo). The second was a relative lack of main battery gunnery practice for the crews after they arrived in the Pacific.

  • @sirboomsalot4902
    @sirboomsalot4902 Před měsícem +21

    I had known about Yamato’s hit on White Plains, but New Jersey’s against Nowaki is a TIL for me. There really hasn’t been enough written about that engagement.

    • @andrewhoughton8606
      @andrewhoughton8606 Před měsícem

      Ryan has mentioned this battle before I think

    • @Tuning3434
      @Tuning3434 Před měsícem

      @@andrewhoughton8606 Operation Hailstone, the Feb. 1944 carrier raid on Truk Atol. The Unofficial History of the Pacific War channel has a dedicated video on it, where Seth, Bill and official unofficial 3rd member Jon Parshall wail on Spruence for risking his brand new battlewagons in an surface engagement while the carriers could strike with impunity: Maikaza was able to send a torpedo salvo towards New Jersey that passed way to close to anyone's liking.

  • @user-dv4hv1bw9r
    @user-dv4hv1bw9r Před měsícem +58

    Im a HUGE history fan at just 11 years old

    • @EricDKaufman
      @EricDKaufman Před měsícem +12

      Welcome to the party, kid. It gets wild

    • @AirJoe
      @AirJoe Před měsícem +9

      You're in the right place. There's an Infinite amount of videos here 😂

    • @bobbenson6825
      @bobbenson6825 Před měsícem +2

      Good for you! I wish I had this available to me at your age. Not to mention Drachinifel's site.

    • @derekwalker6727
      @derekwalker6727 Před měsícem +4

      Go for wee man, be a sponge, take it all in , you will be amazed at what you will learn unconsciously by just being interested subject. I can guarantee you that what you learn here will relate to other subjects. Good luck, take care.

  • @briancisco1176
    @briancisco1176 Před měsícem +236

    If a projectile hits an enemy vessel underwater, causing damage, how can that be anything other than a HIT. A "near miss" kills fish.

    • @Matt-mt2vi
      @Matt-mt2vi Před měsícem +6

      Apples and orange comparison. If it was a fleet carrier or other ship its unlikely anything would be damaged much less a dent.
      As thin and weak hulled as those carriers were, even compared to a Destroyer. Even they are not as fragile as a fish. The Gambler Bay type carriers were a thin, walled, non-reinforced civilian hull ship made into an extremely slow and unbalanced ship that was never intended to be used in any waters that were even slightly contested. Although they ended up doing so and were easily severely damaged and, in most cases, sunk. That other warships shrugged off.
      Well, the projectile didn't hit the ship. The claim is that a near miss exploded near the ship. There are issues with that claim.
      But let's go with it, and let's look at other real-life scenarios that are not apples and orange like yours. If say I got knocked on my ass by an IED explosion but received no injures. I would slend the next 20 years saying I got nearly hit. Saying otherwise would be wrong.
      If shrapnel hit my vest or it punctured my skin, then I could say I got hit.
      If a boxer or MMA fighter misses a hit, but the other fighter gets injured for some reason in dodging that hit the other fighter, she shouldn't get a point for a miss.
      A hit is a hit. A miss that misses it a miss. A near miss is when injures or damage is received by shrapnel or explosive force.
      The infatuation people have that want to change definitions

    • @FaceIntoKeyboard
      @FaceIntoKeyboard Před měsícem +20

      Agreed. If damage is done, it's a hit. It may not be as brutal as a full on metal-on-metal connection, but lots of shells were designed to do damage nearby.

    • @fifteenbyfive
      @fifteenbyfive Před měsícem +6

      I think what we're saying is that it's more accurately a "near hit."

    • @peteranderson037
      @peteranderson037 Před měsícem +20

      It comes from armchair admirals who haven't been within 8,000 miles of a war engaging in goalpost moving and thinking that war is a game played for points. Instead it's about hurting and killing the other guy before they can do the same to you, then do it again and again until they give up or there's nobody left to hurt or kill. If your ship fires a shot at another ship and the result of that shot is the other ship's crew takes casualties, the ship slows down, and the stacks start belching black smoke, then its a hit and everything else is just semantics.

    • @michaelhuffor6732
      @michaelhuffor6732 Před měsícem +2

      Agreed.

  • @battleshipcove-americasfle2150
    @battleshipcove-americasfle2150 Před měsícem +61

    We 100% agree with the longest Battleship to Battleship hit in history coming from USS Massachusetts off Casablanca against JEAN BART. Further, we agree that MASSACHUSETTS has also been mentioned as hitting French Destroyer MILAN from a range estimated up to 28,000 yds (13.7 nmi). The projectile slammed into the crew’s quarters and exploded, taking out the radio room, sickbay, and rupturing the ship’s starboard hull at the waterline. Over a hundred crew were killed or injured in this strike; crippled and aflame, Milan turned her rudder and began drifting towards shore so she would not sink in deep water. BIG MAMIE is believed to have the single longest direct hit on a moving enemy vessel by any battleship in history. This all on her rookie battle.

    • @manilajohn0182
      @manilajohn0182 Před měsícem +7

      This is not one shred of clear evidence which supports your claim that Massachusetts actually hit Milan. French reports that she was hit by 16" shells are no more reliable than U.S. reports that USS Johnston was hit by 14" shells off Samar.
      The simple fact here is that claims such as this without clear evidence by an individual with your tag constitute grandstanding- and are a back- handed slap at the other officers and men of the other U.S. vessels present that day who performed their duty in the action against Milan. At least you ended your post with the disclaimer that "BIG MAMIE is believed..."
      Jean Bart was a stationary target, which great simplified Massachusetts' gunnery.

    • @markwilliams2620
      @markwilliams2620 Před měsícem +11

      ​@manilajohn0182
      Lighten up, Frances.

    • @farmerned6
      @farmerned6 Před měsícem +5

      Jean Bart wasn't MOVING in open sea
      So nope,
      that was just shelling a stationary target

    • @manilajohn0182
      @manilajohn0182 Před měsícem

      @@markwilliams2620 You need to think things through.

    • @Matt-mt2vi
      @Matt-mt2vi Před měsícem +3

      ​@manilajohn0182 one ship was only recently found in 2019, the other didn't sunk, but was beached. Which means getting physical evidence, is easy compared to the other. One deing so deap its kinda hard to get evidence.
      But of course , you're mistaken on what was debated. It wasn't if it was struck by a 16-inch shell. Both US and French records are clear on that, plus the shell fragments and the ships French Capt also stating that.
      The debate has always been at what range.

  • @mountdeaneer
    @mountdeaneer Před měsícem +8

    I'm biased, but love that BB-48's hit on Yamashiro made the list. Imagine being on the receiving end of that one at the time - nighttime, no spot planes, just bleeding-edge radar and fire control. Almost wizardry.

    • @manilajohn0182
      @manilajohn0182 Před měsícem +1

      The hits on Yamashiro by West Virginia were unconfirmed. Per West Virginia's after- action report, the initial claim was made that "...the first salvo was a straddle with numerous hits...". This was later qualified by the statement that "There were possible and probable hits in all salvos. Three pronounced flare- ups were observed on the target at the splash time of our 1st, 2nd, and 6th salvos". This could just as easily have been Yamashiro firing back. Moreover, Yamashiro's wreck has been discovered and explored. The ship (which was not adequately protected against even 14" hits) is essentially intact and was sunk primarily due to six torpedo hits by U.S. destroyers.

  • @gregkarkowsky967
    @gregkarkowsky967 Před měsícem +21

    Thank you for naming the other historians. I was wondering how many folks did the research.

  • @austinturney745
    @austinturney745 Před měsícem +25

    Seems a fair list - there are always ambiguities but a near miss that causes "significant" damage or injures or kills crew is not really just a miss - particularly when you have in some cases shells designed to do underwater damage when they "miss" but are near to the hull or under the keel. After all some torpedoes are specifically designed to "miss" and detonate under the hull and break the ship's back - so not at all a miss in reality.

  • @duanem.1567
    @duanem.1567 Před měsícem +12

    Fascinating information about Yamato's shells being designed to travel and be effective underwater.

    • @memyshelfandeye318
      @memyshelfandeye318 Před měsícem +1

      The japanese had a whole range of those shells for nearly every gun size - look up "Type 91 shell".
      But in the end, it looks like they didn't really work out, because performance on direct hits on armour plates was poor and hits on non-armoured parts only resulted in overpens, the shell detonating way behind the target if at all.

  •  Před měsícem +54

    I beleive that if the shot causes damage to the target ship then it should count as a hit.
    That is the entire purpose of the shot to cause dmage.

    • @AdmiralLj
      @AdmiralLj Před 25 dny

      That is not how characterization work, a direct impact is a "HIT" Damage from a shell that do not directly impact is a "Near miss".

    • @jerrycornelius
      @jerrycornelius Před 24 dny +1

      That's just what I was thinking! I'd be interested to know the greatest distance at which a shell caused substantial damage to or sank an opponent rather than just, for example, soaked the uniform of anyone on deck

  • @gregkarkowsky967
    @gregkarkowsky967 Před měsícem +15

    Dude, I follow a lot of CZcams personalities and your commercial segues are some of the best. I hope you advertisers are taking notice.

  • @bufatutuagonistes8876
    @bufatutuagonistes8876 Před měsícem +3

    I watched the NJ's drydocking videos by Ryan S. He's a genuine historian, basing his opinions on facts and being clear about any conjecture. Very impressive guy...like many of the other ship museum leaders.

  • @geographyRyan
    @geographyRyan Před měsícem +9

    I'm very proud of my state ship Massachusetts for making 4 and 5 on the list!

  • @MCLegend13
    @MCLegend13 Před měsícem +2

    HMS Duke Of York is underrated and I’d say at least deserved an Honourable mention. Although despite not being as long range as the other ones on this list she did score a very long range hit on the fast moving Scharnhorst.
    I can’t remember the exact number statistics but I still recall that it was still pretty impressive that the 14 inch shell hit from such a long range hitting a boiler room and causing the ship to lose speed dramatically and eventually lead to her sinking at the hands of the Cruisers and Destroyers bombarding her with their torpedoes.

  • @dcy665
    @dcy665 Před měsícem +9

    Your mood change when you push the magic spoon got me laughing.

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith Před měsícem +2

    I always thought it strange that with ranges in the region of 25 miles the longest range hit was at about half of that. Thanks for doing some digging and showing that hits were probably attained further out.

  • @chadhartsees
    @chadhartsees Před měsícem +9

    Oooh that camera and the white balance! Looking good!

  • @DrVictorVasconcelos
    @DrVictorVasconcelos Před měsícem +1

    Just wanted to say that you're 100% right about history. It's so common that we find a new source and we realize that some dude 50 years ago that forged our view of a historical event had taken a source at face value that in hindsight was clearly biased.

  • @HunterSteel29
    @HunterSteel29 Před 27 dny +1

    This list made me re-evaluate the engagement between Yamato and White Plains. When translated to Metric (the system I grew up with), Yamato scored her hit on the White Plains at 31km. This is 7km further than her max surface radar can detect which means that Yamato achieved a very accurate firing solution on a ship no longer than 180m with pure optical range finding (none of her spotter planes were up because of American aircraft in the air.) At this point I am going to assume that anyone who said that Yamato's gunnery was terrible are either being satirical or haven't researched their battle logs. If White Plains had been the size of a Sodak/North Carolina/Iowa class Battleship, then that hit would've been a direct hit. (and she achieved it on her 3rd salvo.)

  • @jimcat68
    @jimcat68 Před měsícem +31

    I'm not enough of a historian to argue with these claims, but it is encouraging to see new scholarship shedding light on these past events.

    • @JZsBFF
      @JZsBFF Před měsícem +1

      History is a tricky thing, it all depends on who you ask.
      I agree with you though that a fresh look at things can't hurt. Sometimes a good distance is the best thing to observe correctly.

  • @danielrose-tt7os
    @danielrose-tt7os Před měsícem +3

    That is pretty darn good on the protein level. One thing about rounds fired from battleships against ground targets. With the bursting charge so much smaller than dedicated ground attack bombs (aka the 500,1000,2000 lb bomb) why and how so much damage. I am thinking in particular about the shelling from the USS Wisconsin on that 155mm gun position in North Vietnam.

  • @J_Halcyon
    @J_Halcyon Před 23 dny +1

    I'll buy the logic on near misses. The goal of firing the guns is to remove or diminish the ability of the enemy ship to sail or fight. If you fire your guns and the shell causes the enemy ship to take damage or casualties you've successfully degraded their ability to sail and fight.
    The alternative is that you can sink a ship with gunfire without ever hitting it. To draw a parallel with a contemporary weapon system, the ideal way for a torpedo to do damage is to "miss" the target and explode underneath it instead.

  • @user-jr4sw5cy2i
    @user-jr4sw5cy2i Před měsícem +4

    I'd like to say direct hit. It's the totally stupifying 'Oh My God's shot. Bending a bullet stuff, but as you say if speed drops, smoke billows or anyone wounded or killed has to count. So very interesting, Ryan!

    • @mindwarp42
      @mindwarp42 Před měsícem +1

      In this case, considering the targets hit by the Japanese Type 91 AP Shells, IMHO they were near misses because the Japanese thought they were aiming at targets with actual armor like heavy cruisers and larger carriers, and so aimed for where they expected the armor belts to be. Since they aimed too low for that, we get the seeming near miss - but because their AP shells were legitimately designed with that type of dive to hit the belt in mind, we get a lower than expected actual hit. If the IJN had realized their targets were just DDs (and to them, DEs were considered DDs since they had torpedoes) and CVEs, they might not have used APs that would just go straigtht through lightly armored ships, and switched to the good ol' Sanshiki HE shells instead.

    • @lunatickoala
      @lunatickoala Před měsícem

      @@mindwarp42 The Sanshiki (Type 3) shells weren't the HE shells but the AA shells that were developed in a somewhat misguided attempt to use battleship main guns as AA guns.

  • @dancasey9660
    @dancasey9660 Před měsícem +1

    Now for the shortest range shot. Probably should keep it to battleships, as DD'S probably have fought at very close range. I wonder if Admiral Lee in the Washington wins that discussion? Would also like to see who takes the prize for the longest shot in WW1?

  • @noneforyoumgimbo
    @noneforyoumgimbo Před měsícem

    This type of historical content is great. If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it... Thank you for pursuing the history of this ship...and presenting it for everyone to see.

  • @ianmacaulay8021
    @ianmacaulay8021 Před měsícem

    Love this new evaluation and research of BB history. I've been watching this channel since the early days and this is definitely one of my favourite episodes. Looking forward to hear Drachinifel and other historians weigh in on the topic.

  • @garymcclellan593
    @garymcclellan593 Před 26 dny

    What impresses me most in this is how many of these shots are on DD. Small, tough targets for such a long range shot.
    I'm good with the Near Miss designation. As you note, that can be more devastating than a through and through.

  • @charlesjohnson4933
    @charlesjohnson4933 Před měsícem +2

    I agree with ur list. But the USS Washington is a battleship killer and needs a shout-out.

  • @oogsaggie
    @oogsaggie Před měsícem +1

    Bravo Ryan for a new look at the topic. Keep up the good work!

  • @rogergoodman8665
    @rogergoodman8665 Před měsícem +1

    I agree with you, Ryan. If damage was incurred, it was a hit. There were also kamakazi planes that caused severe damage to ships without actually making direct contact.

  • @jppagetoo
    @jppagetoo Před měsícem +1

    There are some excellent CZcams readings of firsthand accounts of the Battle of the Phillipines near San Bernardino Straight, Samar, Surigao, and in Leyte Gulf. Both Japanese and US sailors wrote acounts that are used. There was incredible bravery shown in those battles. Some of these shots are discussed there.

  • @ddegn
    @ddegn Před měsícem +3

    *"The World Wondered"* is a great name for a WWII Pacific Theater book.
    A lot of "near misses" caused a lot of damage.

    • @themecoptera9258
      @themecoptera9258 Před 28 dny

      Also the code phrase for the day when Samar occurred was “the world wonders”

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn Před 28 dny

      @@themecoptera9258 "the world wonders" was padding at the end of the coded message which wasn't part of the actual message. Where did you hear it was "the code phrase"?

  • @demoskunk
    @demoskunk Před měsícem +1

    My 2 favorite battleships are #1 and #2, which is fitting . I'm also a fan of Massachusetts, so good to see her rank so high.

  • @selkiemaine
    @selkiemaine Před měsícem +2

    Agreed 100%. Also, both New Jersey and Nowiki (sorry, I don't have the name in front of me and may have mangled it) were running at top speed, and I believe that the Japanese destroyer was maneuvering. As another author had pointed out some time ago, if she had been a battleship sized target, that shell would have been a clean hit. And, IMO, had she been a battleship sized target, she wouldn't have outrun an Iowa class!

    • @andrewhoughton8606
      @andrewhoughton8606 Před měsícem

      The hit drop it's speed down which would be death sentence to a DD against a fast bb

    • @selkiemaine
      @selkiemaine Před měsícem

      @@andrewhoughton8606 if I recall correctly, they were able to bring the speed back up quickly enough to continue to outrun the US fleet. The New Jersey stopped firing fairly quickly simply because they didn't feel like wasting ammo.
      The destroyer wasn't a high enough priority target this late in the war to make it worth the effort of resupply.
      It's entirely possible that if they're stuck it out and fired a few more times, they would have directly hit the destroyer.

    • @andrewhoughton8606
      @andrewhoughton8606 Před měsícem +1

      @@selkiemaine then could see why it wouldn't count as anything more than a near miss

    • @selkiemaine
      @selkiemaine Před měsícem

      @@andrewhoughton8606 I see your point, but I feel, like Ryan does, that riddling the ship with splinters counts as damage. Even if the damage was not crippling, it was still widespread damage.
      Think about it this way - if a 16" shell put a hole in the ship's funnel and kept going without exploding near the ship, which is the likely outcome of a hit there, it would be considered a hit - even if the ship was functionally unimpaired. A hole in the funnel might have been less damaging to the ship than the splinter damage that she did suffer.
      So, it's not the extent of the damage, it's that damage was caused by the shell.
      I would point out that the explosive power of these shells is a major component in their effectiveness, and it doesn't matter where the explosive goes off, so long as the fragments do damage.

    • @andrewhoughton8606
      @andrewhoughton8606 Před měsícem +1

      @@selkiemaine lol I never said it didn't I said I could see why it would not count

  • @brucefelger4015
    @brucefelger4015 Před měsícem +4

    Good list, Effective hits should always count.

  • @Norbrookc
    @Norbrookc Před měsícem +7

    and let the arguments begin! 😉

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 Před měsícem

      it's time to build a time machine so we can go and measure theses shots........

  • @oconnorsean12
    @oconnorsean12 Před měsícem

    My brother in law spells it Szymanski, so close....
    I started watching about 5 months ago and am absolutely fascinated with the channel. My father in law was torpedoed exiting the Panama canal on the Roger B Tanny. I need a vacation and I am seriously considering a visit to the Battle Ship New Jersey. Thank you for your love of naval history!

  • @timandellenmoran1213
    @timandellenmoran1213 Před měsícem +1

    Just a comparison and contrast: with the hits that Yamato scored with the underwater near misses, compare USS Washington's hits on Kirishima that are underwater that could be like a stone skipping on the water or under water. This I believe is Robert Lundgrem's belief. Great job Ryan!!

  • @sb859
    @sb859 Před měsícem +2

    What range did USS Texas use when she flooded her port side to increase the range at the D-Day Landings? Not a naval combat action, but still it had to be a long way.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection Před měsícem +6

      Roughly 17 degrees of elevation. The New York class (New York and Texas) could only elevate their guns 15 degrees max. They flooded the torpedo blisters on Texas to get 2 degrees more elevation which would be roughly another mile or two of distance. So probably 14 miles, max.

    • @sb859
      @sb859 Před měsícem +1

      @@SealofPerfection great, thank you sir.

  • @Knight6831
    @Knight6831 Před měsícem +8

    Well do we know what shells from IJN Yamato actually hit Gambier Bay as USS Gambier Bay has not yet been found

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 Před měsícem +1

      knocked it into the twilight zone..................

    • @duanem.1567
      @duanem.1567 Před měsícem +5

      Japanese Navy records.

    • @Plaprad
      @Plaprad Před měsícem +5

      One thing I can think of is the dye packs. It was known the IJN used them in the battle, the colors were known, and I'm sure at least a couple sailors saw the color of the splash that hit Gambier Bay.
      Then you have Japanese records. If they say "We shot at this target at this time." and the American records state "This ship was hit at this time..." then it was a likely hit.

  • @edwardhewer8530
    @edwardhewer8530 Před měsícem +1

    Great stories. Wasn’t really aware that Yamato got some licks in. RIP all.

  • @rvail136
    @rvail136 Před měsícem +1

    I agree that near misses, often actually do damage as often the shells often do hit the target, even if the shell passes THROUGH the target as the Yamato did on the Johnston.

  • @p35flash97
    @p35flash97 Před měsícem +4

    I knew WV's shot on Yamashiro would make this list. WV does it at night, with radar. Damn.

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila Před měsícem +1

      And thus she exacted revenge for Pearl Harbor.

    • @GeorgiaBoy1961
      @GeorgiaBoy1961 Před 26 dny +1

      That's known as "avenging Pearl Harbor," wouldn't you say?

  • @underthesettingsun2199
    @underthesettingsun2199 Před měsícem

    "now, here's where it sounds like I'm being biased in making this list"
    I knew we were going to Operation Hailstone.
    More seriously, you make an excellent point about the false dichotomy of "near miss" vs. "direct hit", particularly for the Japanese shells and their specific design intention to strike "short" of the target and dive.

  • @thevictoryoverhimself7298
    @thevictoryoverhimself7298 Před měsícem +1

    Warspites claim as i've always heard it is "The longest battleship on battleship hit in history".
    There simply werent many battleship on battleship fights in the pacific. The only two i know of (Washington vs Kirishima Night action at Guadalcanal and Yamashiro vs Standard types firing squad at Suragao strait) were short range ambushes. There are photographs of washington firing salvos with its guns almost fully depressed.

  • @deadpass
    @deadpass Před měsícem +1

    Love when Ryan gets all sassy. Great list and I need to get myself a 1:1 scale battleship.

  • @amandarhodes4072
    @amandarhodes4072 Před měsícem +5

    I can agree that for one reason or another there are other warships that score longer range hits than Warspite. However we can't ignore the fact that Warspite's unlike all others on this list achieved all the factors that others on this list only got in part. 1) Scored a direct hit. 2) hit a moving target. 3) did so in combat conditions against a target that was firing back. 4) the damage sustained by the target was substantial enough to cripple Giulio Cesare to the extend that it never sailed again. Effectively destroying the ship without sinking the ship.

    • @user-in9in8hf9w
      @user-in9in8hf9w Před měsícem +1

      Giulio Cesare was repaired, escorted a few more convoys, became a training ship and finished her life with the soviets as war reparations, scrapped in 1957

    • @AmosDohms
      @AmosDohms Před měsícem +1

      ​@@user-in9in8hf9wI do agree that Warspite does deserve some recognition for the circumstances of its hit, but Giulio Cesare definitely wasn't damaged that badly.

    • @amandarhodes4072
      @amandarhodes4072 Před měsícem

      @@user-in9in8hf9w Yes. So she returned to port, was repaired. and never served in a combat role ever again. conclusively defeating the ship. They did the same thing as Tirpitz being put in a combat role where they didn't expect her to see real combat out of fear of loosing her. Right up until handing her over to the Russians and let them sink the ship for them by shear incompetence.

    • @alessandroiorio6248
      @alessandroiorio6248 Před měsícem

      Giulio Cesare wasn't "crippled" at all; it was completely repaired in 2 weeks and it sailed out in late August with the battlefleet. It kept sailing out with the battlefleet for the rest of 1940 and 1941, and its last combat mission was in January 1942 because the ship was deemed too old to consume the very precious fuel the Navy needed for the more modern Littorio battleships. After which it was transferred in the Adriatic for major upgrades which then never took place.
      So no, the ship wasn't "effectively destroyed", the damage was minor and the relatively heavy loss of life from such a minor hit was due to the fires from ammo stored outside to facilitate a faster RoF of the secondary turret.
      Cheers

    • @amandarhodes4072
      @amandarhodes4072 Před měsícem

      @@alessandroiorio6248 Yes it was "repaired" though not to operational capacity. A little known document written by the navel repair yard who worked on Giulio Cesare after meeting Warspite concluded the shell had penetrated through the aft smoke stack and damaged the engineering spaces. The boiler room was set on fire and the shell damaged the ships keel in such a place that firing the main guns at broadside again had the possibility to break the ships back. The number 3 turret was also damaged by the explosion though not serious it did distort the turret ring limiting the guns rotation on it's port side. Something the Russians would have to rip out the turret to eventually fix when they got the ship. Giulio Cesare did survive the battle but she could never again fight in such a battle again hence why she was settled to escort duty. With the fuel shortage they had they deemed it more of a risk to not have their convoys escorted by a heavy surface ship burning through that stockpile than to leave the convoy not escorted. Giulio Cesare was chosen for this as it could not be used in any other manner successfully. They didn't want to scrap the ship right until the end so they saw it best to sue the ship anyway.
      For the record I'm not trying to discredit Giulio Cesare. I love the ship. But just wanted to make my observations clear.

  • @SkywalkerWroc
    @SkywalkerWroc Před měsícem

    3:40 20 300 yards (18,5 km) - Yamato -> USS Johnston (DD), Battle off Samar
    6:49 22 000 yards (20,1 km) - Yamato -> USS Gambier Bay (CVE), Battle off Samar (one of a few uses of diving shells as-designed)
    8:40 22 700 yards (20,7 km) - USS West Virginia -> Yamashiro (BB), Battle of Surigao Strait
    9:39 26 000 yards (23,8 km) - HMS Warspite -> Giulio Cesare (BB) & Scharnhorst -> HMS Glorious (CV)
    10:02 28 000 yards (25.6 km) - USS Massachusetts -> Milan (DD)
    10:58 28 500 yards (26,1 km) - USS Massachusetts -> Jean Bart (BB) (stationary target)
    11:35 30 000 yards (27,4 km) - Kongo -> USS Heermann, Battle off Samar (DD) (diving shell blows under the keel)
    12:13 34 000 yards (31,0 km) - Yamato -> USS White Plains (CVE) (diving shell hits the keel)
    13:10 36 000 yards (32,9 km) - USS New Jersey -> Nowaki (野分) (DD), Operation Hailstone (HC shell blew up on water near destroyer, shrapnel hit the hull killing 1 sailor, wounded 9, black smoke)

  • @BrianHoff04
    @BrianHoff04 Před měsícem +1

    Darn.. forgot to mention..
    Ryan.. I so appreciated your comment defining how records of history work. That they are as accurate as the most recent evidence would indicate. So easy to say yet so often we forget, and continue to believe a story from 10 years ago as if it just happened today. It's exactly like science (thus why colleges treat history as a science).
    We can all get pretty funny about "facts" sometimes. They are a fact, until something new is discovered. Then the new thing shall update history and become the new fact. Awesome sauce stuff!
    I could say more.. but on the internet that just always ends up looking like an argument. Arguments always have a cause, rarely are they caused by facts. I can't recall the last argument about gravity ;-) Or the Earth? Oops.. we do see arguments about the Earth all the time. 😞

  • @enscroggs
    @enscroggs Před 26 dny

    9:35 Allow me to butcher that ship's name slightly less grievously: "JOO-lee-oh CHAY-sah-ree"

  • @davidncw4613
    @davidncw4613 Před měsícem +3

    Outstanding work, thank you. Straddles on a DD represent equivalent gunnery achievement as hits on a larger target. Iirc the NJ straddled the IJN DD numerous times. Lady Luck smiled upon the IJN DD. Also, I always have pointed to the West Virginia's first salvo hit and continued outstanding gunnery performance against the Yamashiro as proof that any of the US fast BBs could have destroyed a Yamato class in a favorable engagement such as long range night fight. With the exception of Lady Lucks intervention of course.

    • @greener2497
      @greener2497 Před 25 dny

      "any" is quite a big reach here when your example of "favorable engagement" was a whole gang of battleships and cruisers sitting the T ready to shoot at their already damaged target coming into range, It was not the night that's the deciding factor there. Yamashiro was bombed and torpedoed even before meeting the US battleships and cruisers line. West Virginia gunnery performance during this battle was mostly thanks to the extremely favorable situation she was in, basically just broadside shooting at a big, slow moving and already flooding target, of which many equipments had been destroyed by previous gun fires from cruisers. This "outstanding gunnery performance" of her was achieved thanks to all the US ships that were presented including the tiny PT boats, not by herself.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 Před 19 dny

      You assume that one ship's gunnery performance proves that many other ships would have the same performance. The reality is that the US fast BBs were doing very different work than the US slow BBs (the "standards" like WV) and got significantly less surface gunnery practice. This is why Lee declined the night action opportunity at Philippine Sea. The slow BBs had done at least 4 bombardment missions before this, had a good radar track on a slow-moving target and were crossing the T in constricted waters.

    • @davidncw4613
      @davidncw4613 Před 19 dny

      @@gregorywright4918 ''You assume that one ship's gunnery performance proves that many other ships would have the same performance.'' Yes, it does because the West Virginia had very recently been fitted with multy layer radar fire control similar to the system used by all the fast BBs. Proving the state of the art efficiency.

    • @davidncw4613
      @davidncw4613 Před 19 dny

      @@gregorywright4918 WV had more gunnery practice? Simply not true. When she reentered the war after being sunk at Pearl she had little of her original crew. All of the fast BBs had much more time in service.

  • @andrewpettola6097
    @andrewpettola6097 Před měsícem +1

    What was the official distance of the Bismarck's sinking of HMS Hood? Also, although it was not a great range (less than 9,000 yards), the USS Washington's salvo on the IJN Kirishima during the Naval battle of Guadalcanal was impressive.

    • @babyhuey6342
      @babyhuey6342 Před měsícem

      Not sure if there is an official record, but I think the fatal salvo was fired between 16 and 17,000 yards.

  • @franksposato6072
    @franksposato6072 Před měsícem +2

    If you like the work of Robert Lundgren, he published an article last year about the battle of Henderson Airfield that completely changes the history of what we thought happened in the November 13th night battle.

  • @Disek666
    @Disek666 Před 29 dny +1

    "not enough us warships on the lists... let's make our own list!" vibe

  • @cosmopezzolla996
    @cosmopezzolla996 Před měsícem +1

    Ryan, said what he said.....BB-62 WINS!!! Nah Nah........... sorry I couldn't help it, I love Battleship New Jersey! Thanks to all that served on all the other ships in our fleet!

  • @ostsan8598
    @ostsan8598 Před 20 dny

    The World Wonder'd is a wonderful book. I thought Yamato's hit on White Plains would be No 1, but I'm ok with giving that spot to New Jersey.

  • @andywindes4968
    @andywindes4968 Před měsícem

    Great video. You might mention that in Spruance’s determination to use the New Jersey’s guns in a surface fight, he nearly got her torpedoed by a long lance.

  • @user-fr3cv1kl5x
    @user-fr3cv1kl5x Před měsícem

    I'd be interested in watching a video of from start (sighting of a target) through prep (decision, calculation, prepping turret) to firing with videos of where the 'action' takes place and in (reasonably) real-time. Kind of like a re-enactment. Thanks for your videos, they make me better informed and are thought provoking.

  • @robrowe2298
    @robrowe2298 Před měsícem +1

    Go controversial, always a good way to attract attention. Nearly had me there. 😂

  • @lindsaybaker9480
    @lindsaybaker9480 Před měsícem +1

    Prior to the Second World War, HMS Warspite was based in the Mediterranean and was conducting main gun battery fire drills in a designated exercise area which was supposed to be known by all mariners. Anyway a passenger ship apparently strayed into this area and almost got obliterated by 15 inch shell fire.

  • @stevewindisch7400
    @stevewindisch7400 Před měsícem +6

    Great work. "Come on now Reginald, let go of the trophy, you are just embarrassing yourself." ;)

  • @aronclement9459
    @aronclement9459 Před měsícem +2

    Damaged the ship, slowed it down and caused a casualty? Sounds like the point of naval gunfire to me, whether the shell actually impacts the hull or not

  • @justwordme
    @justwordme Před měsícem +1

    Very basic trivial question at about the two minute mark the end caps on the guns are shown coming off. How would that be done..? Is air pushed through the gun… ? just for that purpose? Or clearing the gun or… are unseen ropes being utilized or…?? It appears at least two simultaneously.

    • @andrewlucia865
      @andrewlucia865 Před měsícem +2

      The guns have a compressed air/gas system to clear any smoldering debris out of the gun barrel after each shot. If you search for video's of any of the Iowa's firing their guns, there is usually a burst of gas that leaves the barrel a few seconds after each shot was fired and the crew starts reloading. They can just use this same system to push the gun caps off before firing if they can't be bothered to take them off from the deck.

  • @tools6106
    @tools6106 Před měsícem

    Nice list. Putting yourself in the crosshairs for this list is ambitious! Keep it up!

  • @TheEvertw
    @TheEvertw Před měsícem +2

    I totally trust Ryan to not be biased in constructing & presenting the facts in this list. However, I'd argue that Ryan is totally biased in doing this exercise because he suspected NJ would be high on the list, and producing this video because of the top spot for NJ. This video would probably not have been produced if NJ was on spot 11.

  • @S_M_360
    @S_M_360 Před měsícem +1

    3 mins in, already warming up hands to comment! Lol

  • @TheInquisitiveFool-cf6uj

    The issue with range during WWII and the previous time periods is that the technology at the time did not allow for complete accuracy of where the shot originated from and how far it was when it actually hit the target.

  • @twisted5278
    @twisted5278 Před měsícem +1

    Do one of longest range RADAR directed hits!!

  • @combatwomble5584
    @combatwomble5584 Před měsícem +1

    I whole heartedly agree that any shot causing damage should count, but dissagree on the range point you made at the beggining. The variables involved in making max range shots with battleship guns always amaze me, you factor in 20 to 30 second flight time and both target and shooter moving in 3 dimensions the idea that even one shot lands is amazing. And to think that radar of the time had the fedility to track at 37000 yards and allow a hit is both hard to fathom and terrifying if true.
    Great list though

  • @tombakabones274
    @tombakabones274 Před měsícem

    I spend the weekend at a boy scout jamboree on the Massachusetts my group was the only one from dutchess county New York there and the 12 of us were the only ones out of troop 95 that were there

  • @markmclaughlin2690
    @markmclaughlin2690 Před měsícem +5

    My Father Kenneth McLaughlin WT/3 served on USS Gambier Bay during the Battle off Samar he survived the sinking but passed away in 1969 when I was 3years old.

  • @henrycarlson7514
    @henrycarlson7514 Před měsícem +1

    So Wise , Thank You . As far as I am concerned Any hit that does Actual Damage is a hit

  • @charlesmaurer6214
    @charlesmaurer6214 Před měsícem +2

    From Chat, I could see Libby sleeping on ship so the first tour of the day can show a sailor making his bunk.

  • @odog1999
    @odog1999 Před měsícem +1

    Does this mean Ryan's turning the YT channel into a greatest hits list?

  • @benx6264
    @benx6264 Před měsícem

    I did a double take when you started discussing New Jersey in the #1 spot. Because I I first thought you said she scored hits on Milwaukie.

  • @fredinit
    @fredinit Před měsícem +2

    As George Carlin loved to say - a near miss means you hit it. Ryan, I'll buy your reasoning that if it did damage, regardless of it being direct or indirect (water), it's a hit. It's like horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons - close counts. Great work.

  • @johnanon6938
    @johnanon6938 Před měsícem

    Interesting debate and after some digging I've found half the info on italian battleship Littorio vs British HMS Havock say near miss that only straddled Havock and the other half say its a hit that inflicted significant damage killing men and perforating a boiler which kind of seems like an major part inside the ship. Welp, turns out you can have it both ways, guess it depends on which country.
    As for IJN Yamato sinking USS Johnston, yes everyone must review history when new info is available and as definitions get redefined. Also a Medal of Honor was posthumously given to Capt. Evans for his command of the Johnston during that battle (spoiler he didn't survive it) which made him the 1st Native American in U.S. Navy, and there was only 2 destroyer captains in WWII to get the MoH.

  • @mikemason9727
    @mikemason9727 Před měsícem +1

    If shrapnel from the New Jersey's shell hit the ship then surely it's a hit. In land battles shrapnel killed or wounded more soldiers than direct hits. I don't think they'd be saying they weren't hit!

  • @Joseph55220
    @Joseph55220 Před měsícem

    And I've made a few comments addressing the design and engineering considerations of the Iowas - I've already discussed that the Iowas were always planned - prewar - as our PACIFIC specific battleships (try saying that 10 times fast). One of the things about the Japanese - we ALWAYS UNDERSTOOOD that the Japanese battleships would ALWAYS OUT-RANGE us. Why? Cuz of the jet-stream. They get to shoot Eastward and we gotta shoot to the West. In the central Pacific - unless we can somehow sneak our entire fleet in between the IJN and their home bases - if we are engaging them in the general direction our fleets tended to be positioned - a 20 mile range meant the Japanese were firing at a 17-18 mile effective ranges and we were shooting at a 23-25 mile effective range. No amount of breakage of our naval treaties would compensate for that difference and even attempting to compensate for that advantage would weigh our ships down to the point that they would be hopelessly slow, clumsy, and unquenchably gas-thirsty.

  • @RangieNZ
    @RangieNZ Před měsícem

    Ryan, the 'sponsored' section, was brilliant. Possibly one of only a few videos on YT ever, where I actually wanted to buy the sponsored product! :)

  • @adriencervera4011
    @adriencervera4011 Před měsícem +1

    Please go in depth about new jerseys and mamis long range hits, both sound very entertaining 👍

  • @xPureNRG007x
    @xPureNRG007x Před měsícem

    As a battleships enthusiast: when he said “…while I work on my 1:1 scale model battleship” - Ryan has now been elevated to official “hero” status in my world.

    • @agskytter8977
      @agskytter8977 Před měsícem +1

      Every time I see a magayaght in the Mediterranean I wonder why these billionaire showoffs can't order a replica of Bismarck from Blohm&Voss in Hamburg? 😎

  • @danielhurst8863
    @danielhurst8863 Před 9 dny

    I would not personally count the New Jersey near miss, because shrapnel damage that kills a sailor is not damage to the ship. Any near miss that damages the ship is really a hit, and it is especially a hit when the shell is designed to explode underwater.
    Also, DD boilers could be knocked temporarily offline by a near miss, even when there is no hull damage, just as they could be knocked offline by large waves.
    Now, if Japanese damage reports showed hull damage, then I would count that as a hit on the DD.
    BTW, Japanese damage reports, when they survived were amazingly excellent. While as a whole Japanese damage control was vastly inferior to US damage control, that was because of poorer reaction, as opposed to damage assessment. Japanese damage assessment was so good, it was often better than the damage reports listed by the attacker. Once wrecks have been discovered and shell counts could be determined, it is shocking how accurate Japanese damage assessment was.
    Thank you for this list though, while history itself doesn't change, what we know does change. It is time consuming to go through various logs and compile data and crosstab data to determine whether our knowledge is going to change, and this is all done without the certainty that anything will change. This is why people support museum ships, beyond just keeping the ships themselves intact.

  • @shona1224
    @shona1224 Před 28 dny +1

    For fun I asked CHatGPT this question and initially it came up with West Virginia as having the longest hit, I queried if Warspite was not longer and it agreed that worldwide that was seen as the longest hit, implied in Worldwide is that the first answer was not worldwide - read into that what you will. Asking about New Jersey Destroyer hit it said many historians disagree if this happened or not - it did agree the Massies hit on Jena Bart was longer but she was stationery so not so much.
    I am from the UK so obviously biased but I do wonder if all navies categorised a damaging shot in the same way. Just because USA logs record damage from a hit hit water but caused damage do they all do that. Also how can we be so certain who fired at who - some said well if log USA says at xx time we got hit and Log Japan at same time says we shot at that we have proof - firstly did they have a man recording hits with a watch during a battle and did this man have a watch that was set to a standard time that the enemy was also using - I think not.
    The other aspect of "historians" we should also consider is - are they selling a book about a particular ship, if so then inevitably there is bias in their interpretation. The same way I am biased because this list features mostly ships involving American or Japanese ships, not the Royal Navy. I feel Ryan's opening comment that it erked him (or something like that) that the longest hit was not an American ship shows immediately someone looking for a way to make it so. After all I believe the Italian navy had guns that could fire further than anyone else's - but not one Italian ship on the list - so either firing far not the issue - or by only looking at one data set to find an answer is the issue.
    Last question on this - would this video have been made if after compiling the data Ryan had concluded the No 1 was Yamato not NJ - I think not - and that's why all history needs to be seen as interpretation not fact.

  • @skurjo9975
    @skurjo9975 Před měsícem +16

    I agree that a near miss can be more damaging than an actual hit. But the qualification in your own title is "hit". To me if the shell hits the water and also hits the ship that is a hit, if it hits the water and shrapnel from the actual shell hits the ship causing damage that"s a hit, although a bit of a grey area. Even though a near miss causes damage the water causes the damage and no part of the shell makes contact it is not a "hit" a hit is a hit by the definition of the word. The best way to incorporate them is to call them "damaging shots" which is really the most important aspect of shooting in the first place. I dont care if I get a "HIT" or not as long as I'm doing damage to the enemy.

    • @littlecoldhands
      @littlecoldhands Před měsícem +2

      This is actually the metric why Warspite and Scharnhorst hold the record.
      As an analogy, a team in football scores when the ball goes into the goal. No points for hitting the goal posts. Goal post hits still "damage" the goal though, and it certainly causes a lot a hearts to stop beating for a while.

    • @ethanmckinney203
      @ethanmckinney203 Před měsícem +1

      Consider ground artillery firing (indirectly) at moving trucks.
      If the shells land 10m from the truck and the trucks are set on fire and torn up by shrapnel, did those shells miss?
      (This is particularly relevant for the New Jersey's shot because they were firing high explosive shells, which caused damage exactly as they were supposed to: through fragmentation.)

    • @anvil5356
      @anvil5356 Před měsícem

      @@littlecoldhands It’s a good analogy, but in this case the goal posts have been moved, There doesn’t seem to be any distinction between a ‘Direct Hit’ and close enough.

    • @UthurRytan
      @UthurRytan Před měsícem

      ​@@littlecoldhands Slightly different, Warspite and Scharnhorst hold the record because no other ship beyond reasonable doubt were the ones that hit (or were at longer range than said claims). By direct hits, maybe Yamato and otherwise almost definitely Kongo would have the new record for longest direct hit on moving ship

  • @welltell.
    @welltell. Před měsícem +1

    It would be obvious and it would make sense that the newest battleships with the latest in tech range finders and radar, firing the most advance guns and ammunition would score the longest hits. So I can actually believe that Yamato and New Jersey being in the top in having the most long range hits on another battleship.

  • @michaelwild888
    @michaelwild888 Před měsícem +1

    I love this...But I am waiting for the Drachinifel version. I think near misses count as they do damage.

  • @srcrewchief89
    @srcrewchief89 Před měsícem

    Agreed that the IJN Nowaki was the target at Truk during Hailstone. But I seem to recall that both Iowa and New Jersey engaged at extreme range with multiple stradling shots. Previous accounts I've read stated that it could not be determined which actually delivered the splitter damage. I'll have to find your references to see what they say about that.

  • @birdymcpig
    @birdymcpig Před měsícem

    “My 1:1 scale model ship” that’s a flex if I ever saw one.