Lifeweaver has the most INSANE ABILITIES in Overwatch 2
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 06. 2024
- Full breakdown of Lifeweaver's Abilities with Gameplay examples. Lifeweaver could be the most insane troll hero in Overwatch history...
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Chapters:
0:00 Lifeweaver Abilities
1:03 Healing Blossom
3:52 Thorn Volley
5:28 Petal Platform
9:58 Rejuvanating Dash
11:09 Life Grip
14:20 Tree of Life (Ultimate)
17:03 Parting Gift (Passive)
18:28 Super Troll Hero?
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His entire kit has troll potential. He can pull people, lift people in the air, block doorways with his ult, and heal the enemy team with his passive.
Nice april fools hero, blizz. Already can see people will love it.
The cooperative potential is huge, with lots of planning and communication. But for the general population of players it's so obviously bad I feel like the only explanation is it's actually genius and I just don't get it.
Mei on steroids
@@Omni9519 if itâs high enough, the pedal might actually save you or your team from Meiâs ult
@@Omni9519 Oh the horror
Blizz: âwe want to remove losing control of your character from the gameâ
Also Blizz: âthis healer can grief wipe your entire team in Illiosâ
Its a 20 second cooldown, bad joke is always a bad joke
@@NATIVE1179 bad reply is always bad reply
@@DontHateMeCausImSexy bad second reply is always a bad second reply
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@@Techno_Bunny433 mid fourth reply is always a mid fourth reply
I have a feeling this characterâs gonna see the quickest rework of all time
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Nah
Hope It's just gonna be a dework. They need to go back to the workshop and create something which is not a lab failure.
Nah I doubt it his kit is really good most people just suck at support
The biggest issue for this hero isn't the fact that he might become a dps support or a low healing support, it's the fact that you gotta depend on your teammates not being trolls
Meiâs wall was infuriating, but dudeâs pull and enemy heal is going to be rage inducing
You need to get in a higher rank
games dead so why does it matter?
@@johnsonspark171 yet you are here watching the new hero videos
@@travisboyd6989 I just believe being able to control your teammates is a bad addition to the game
Mei is a DPS as DPS players are unhinged. This is a super common healer mechanic in alot of games. Should be fine
A little weird that he heals so little. I read a quote where the devs described him as a âmain healerâ but he definitely looks like an off healer to me
Did they say main healer or main support? because main supports tend to do less healing but have more team based utility.
devs also said he is familiar face and cute...
Main support doesn't mean high heal output. Moria isn't a main support
@@jahagkagau6061 so Lucio and zen are main healer?
@@emiyaann4688 Lucio is, certain team comps are heavily based around the speed boost
The most concerning thing is that I've never seen Sty so worried about a new character. I can see all troll Mei players absolutely salivating right now..
We are indeed salivating right now
Bro this hero isn't going to be any more troll than a healbotting Lucio or a dps Moira
@@teejay1646 neither can actually do anything to impair your character's positioning. This will be a horrible hero to have on your team when it's played by a troll.... Quickplay will be a nightmare
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@@coleivanov Boo Hoo. Qp healers already don't heal which is more troll than this could ever be
There is a character in Heroes of the Storm-Anduin, which also has a pull ability. He is one of the top tier picks because it means that the ally has a get out of jail free card. However that is a MOBA game and FPS works differently in so many ways: dropping off the map, wall obstruction etc. It is obviously very strong so it has a high cd (70seconds iirc). Having a high cd could be a solution that prevents too much trolling like 40-45seconds instead of 20.
@Brook Chegwin it honestly just depends on whoâs playing him. If itâs a troll then alright I understand itâs awful but in the right hands it would be insanely helpful.
His pull was reminding me of the MultiVersus game. A platform game. There was that reindeer dog that could pull his allies towards him.
â@Brook Chegwin Dps Moira will always be more of a troll than this guy can be while actively griefing his team
@Brook Chegwin the entire idea of this ability is that lifeweaver would be able to save a teammate even when they don't realize the danger themselves.
Adding a confirmation button will piss both parties off - lifeweaver because they would just waste their time and ability because of their teammate, and the teammate because now every fight they will have to think about timing the confirmation properly and thinking of it mid fight.
Besides, where's my confirmation button as a teammate for a friendly rein solo charging the enemy team? Or a confirmation button for my Sombra getting mercy beamed while she's invis?
@@daniilnoun8262 those two examples can easily be circumvented and played around. Having a character who can move around friendlies in a shooting game extremely dependent on aim and positioning, is just asinine. It can actively disturb other players and ruin their flow. That is way different than just having a teammate who dies
Oh boy that pull is going to be a massive troll move....
The new Mei
Ojee overwatch pro player said that you need to confirm to get pulled
Imagine on ilios well⊠âYOU WANNA BE TOXIC TO ME :0 go in the wellâŠ.â
Trolling from the plant-based pansexual...... nahhhh
>load in get put with a Mei, Lifesaver and Ball comp
Fuuuuuu
It is kind of concerning how little healing he does imo
ikr! i dont want another dps supp
Looks like he would be great with Mercy
It's literally the least concerning thing about him, his design is idiotic
@@NFLPatriots87 they're all dps supports bar mercy đ
@@shard135yeah bc design is more important than gameplay balance
I can already imagine a coordinated team on Kings Row attack, and the whole team stacks on the left of the choke. The mayhem teams could accomplish with him is insane!
This petal lift, mei wall then sym tp = easiest flank of history. Would remind me of the old meta athena flanks in Korean contenders but would be so op
His kit looks so fun, it brings so many new things to the game that it's refreshing
Mark my words hearing "Safety in numbers" will strike terror into the hearts of OW players.
Bet people will leave matches as soon as he is picked. Nice one blizz, never been less excited for a new hero.
Apparently trusting other players strikes fear into people who support this troll ability.
This is mainly gonna be a low elo problem tho, and I can see that he is gonna be very useful above diamond, where players are not on the level of monkeys with down syndrome
@@stephennolastname6861 that's a good point
The pull ability should be updated to where a small platform is immediately summoned underneath the teammate being pulled, so that no matter where Lifesaver pulls them into, the platform will guarantee the teammateâs safety.
Yeah this seems kind of obvious to me?
Even then I wouldn't want it in the game, it's just infuriating, imagine a guy well intentioned who doesn't really know much about the tank role pulling you out of position and fucking you whole plan thinking he is doing a good thing, if you are not frustrated after that you are a fucking saint
yeah or the teammate you pull hops midair after being released
nah it can be a new way to express skill if you can do that with the petal already. Kind of like how you save ur team with lamp on bap then use shift to heal everyone
Iâm going to love forcing people group up
How about when he presses his E, the teammate will be shielded for 2 seconds no matter what. Within this 2-second window they can quickly choose if they want to be transported to Lifeweaver. The button to confirm would be the same as Sym's teleporter. If they don't click to confirm they'll stay where they are.
I feel like the pull can help in certain team fight scenarios, like you could pull ram over and they go into nemesis or pop their ult or if you petal up to a decent spot you could pull your Cassidy ready for deadeye or pull snipers to better spots when on defense. I really think that life weaver is definitely going to be a hero that works well when you're on voice chat with friends. It seems he needs a lot of communication between team members
So Not for bronze-platin elo
@@muysli.y1855 probably not, lifeweaver is going to be a trolling menace on bronze and in casual play. Players get upset because they're dying will drag you to their position, players will get salt gripped into pits by people just because. I see a lot of good strategic use out of his kit but it's definitely going to get abused for trolling
Yeah as a tank player Iâm already imagining all the possibilities with my support buddy, he could maybe pull me in if Iâm playing a slower tank so I can peel for him, or maybe I can int more on ram because I have the assurance that he can pull me out of danger. So f-ing cool
Seems like a character that will be insane to watch at high level play with good teams, and I can firmly say I would be excited to see how he fares up in that level. But in the lower ranks I can't say I would ever be happy to see a Lifeweaver on my team in any scenario
In low rank he's gonna be the worst troll pick but in high level
The possibility he provides are insane I know pro level players will be able to pull off some of the things I've seen people theorizing already
I'm gonna have to play him just so I don't have to deal with people pulling me away mid ult lol
@@crowquet56 this is exactly the conclusion I sadly came to, if you don't want people trolling you, play him, it's the only way it won't happen.
I feel like they should make the pull a 2 part interaction. The first part is that it give the target a shield like it currently does(or like zarya bubble where you can bust it), but the target can press the interact key and be pulled. That would remove the troll and also let the target decide if they need help.
this would unfortunately make the pull significantly more busted, imagine a kiriko suzu that can take you out of danger with your consent?
I see it from both sides
@@Alabamadoggo1598 Then remove the invulnerability. Its already strong enough if you can accept the pull. We dont need more invul in this game.
@@Alabamadoggo1598 why would that be more busted? It would be on cooldown no matter if you accept or not and you'd still have to react in time to press interact, which would require good communication. What it would remove is the chance to troll your own team.
@@Alabamadoggo1598 Suzu would be worse if you'd have to accept first. The time it would take to press interact could very well kill you.
I just can't quite put my finger on it, but there's just something about this character that really gets me worried about the direction of character development in the future
It feels off and jarring, like he doesn't belong in the OW Universe, more like a Valorant/Apex character. His abilities are going to be a trolling nightmare too, imagine the most incompetent/throwing Mei walls you've had x10.
Probably the fact their kit all over the place and has trolling potential with nearly every ability. Thereâs a massive power creep problem in OW2. Each new character is expected to do something new and exciting, resulting in abilities that completely overshadow or negate other hero kits. Or in this case, break certain aspects of the game.
@@LeonHawkeye he really is a val character
I love it, itâs like it adds a little spice in the soup! I just hope they know how to control themselves and not get carried away.
So the state of sojourn and kiriko doesn't worry you?
Yeah, he can be used to troll a bit, but he'll be great for premade groups. Communicating that they're gonna dive and want pulled out. Or knowing to only use it when your teammate asks for it. It'll be great. I'm looking forward to this hero. Really excited.
Man where you finding Premade groups in Overwatch 2⊠I miss LFG :(
I just see this really being a bad struggle for lower ELOs especially. Unfortunately in these elos, people get stuck because absolutely nobody wants to communicate and most players are there to troll. I kinda wish he was available for like Diamond and up players, who will actually utilize him well. For anything below, he will be dangerous more for the ally team.
Paragon had a similar character named Phase, she also had a pull ability. At the beginning and throughout the game, you had either the option to âtrustâ the phase and her pull would work instantly. But if you didnât choose that, you would need to interact for the pull
I really hope they implement something like this before lifeweaver goes live, seems like a great option to have
i miss paragon so much. i looooved phase đą
Paragon was amazing
Wanted to say the same, was a great game while it lasted
They Def need to give us something similar because atm it's a really idiotic design that will just frustrate the shit out of people
I am concerned about his ability to move an ally to him. That takes agency from the player getting pulled and it seems like in times where it results in death it is going to tick people off SO much. It doesn't even have to be for trolling, it doesn't even have to kill you. It could be with the best of intentions and people are still going to hate it. Of course like Stylosa said, it is going to be such a dangerous ability to have in an environment where people can be toxic or think they know how you should play better than you do. I have a friend who always sticks to the cart like his feet were nailed to it instead of focusing on winning the team fight and tries to force everyone to stay on the objective with him and my God, I just know he's going to use this ability to DRAG people back to the cart and not understand when people start getting toxic about it.
Sometimes some players shouldn't have agency, people will legit be actual chimps, and being able to prevent a 4v5 before a fight even starts is a boon. Can enable some gigachad plays, let your jq go in hard, then pull them back. He reminds me of Taric from league a bit. People talking about how they want fresh and interesting champs, and one comes they complain about them being able to do new things đż
I agree but your description of your friend sent me Iâm not gonna lie đ have you ever asked him why he has to stay on the cart at all times? Iâve always been curious what goes through the mind of someone who does that
But in a pl match the only goal is to push, your friend is one of the few doing it right (at least in pl matches)
I had a support friend who I played with who always got mad at me whenever I got aggressive as Reinhardt, even if it produced results. We no longer play together, but I just know that this ability would have caused further grief, just like it will for many other close range heroes.
Hog already took away our agency with his hook, and that typically resulted in deathđ€
As one of the few lasting Torbjorn mains, this character has so much potential to make Torb beastly!
what would he do for torb? high ground? i can do that with sym. if anything molten core might be good to deal with the tree.
... bro you aren't the last.
@@purplelad441: joke 2: ONE of
@@purplelad44they said ONE of and Iâm pretty sure itâs a joke
@Reggie Smith .. i know lots of Torb mains.
And that's not a joke. Your face, that's
a joke.
For his pull ability make there be an option for allies to confirm/give consent to be pulled by him. Similar to how Ana has a confirmation option for the nano ult.
that takes away his ability to make plays with it. example if your on zen getting jumped you probably wont confirm the pull fast enough for the save since your going to be focused on fighting. to get the best out of the ability he would need to have full control.
@@thejunkmanlives Or they could make it so that, for at least a split second, the teammate you attempt to pull is invincible so that they can properly react to and consent to the pull. Any longer than that, and it might become another suzu problem, but any less and, like you said, the teammate probably wouldnât be able to react fast enough.
His pull ability looks really synergistic for doomfist if he jumps the enemy backline but put himself in a dangerous spot.
Yeah any of the Dive Tanks could work really well with that
It has just enough potential to have the complete opposite effect if the support doesn't know how to play the game
As a Doomfist player iâm very excited
Thatâs what YOU think though. The problem is, what if your Doom is actually in the perfect position, and knows what they are doing?
They could be punching in to ult as well. Or they have an empowered punch.
No thanks. I donât know how this idea gets implemented, this must still be an April Fools joke.
As a doomfist player I'm very scared. If I dive in, about to get a 3k with a charged punch that'll give me 70 bonus hp, and get pulled right before then because the healer "thinks" I'm in danger, I'm going to be annoyed.
I feel like one big problem other than trolling will be lower skilled supports that pull you back when you are diving somebody in the enemy back line when you have all your cooldowns and are trying to secure a kill
Totally and not even when diving, people with limited game understanding or that stress fast will pull you out of position making the whole team crumble, this is idiotic ability design from blizzard
There's a reason other game don't do that or give you control, tresh in league is a great exemple of that being done good but it wouldn't work in ow
I would just do it if their health is very low. That would be the safest bet
@@lovelysix6296 Even then you might disrupt a trade kill that could be worth it.
Another pick to cuck doomfist basically
yes absolutely. Or if you hold a forward corner that is curical to you dont have to fight to take the space, but you just get yoinked off and now you have to fight for the position you had otherwise held for free.
The pull looks like it will be a nightmare but I really like the platform. That looks super fun and not particularly trolly. The primary fire/healing and Rejuvenation Step look pretty standard but also good because they are a bit different.
I feel like an easy fix for the pull without requiring confirmation is just allowing the one pulled to jump out of it and cancel the pull, sure if you're standing too close to the well you'll likely still fall (so they could add a floating mechanic to allow for maneuverability) but besides that it fixes the problem without taking away from it
We can finally play for the enemy team, intentionally gripping allies to bad positions, lifting the ulting enemy Cassidy, gripping our own Rein who is about to shatter and the worst of all heal the enemy team :D let the 6v4 commence xD
Don't forget pulling enemies to safety!
Damn. Probably all hell will break loose after everyone plays this damned character
@@ntdscherer you can't pull enemies. But you could pull Tokki/Bob out of the Enemy-Range :/
@@MortimerFolchert Oh I thought it worked on enemies too. Not clear if it would work on allied equipment.
@@ntdscherer Bob counts as a "Player Character" you can heal him, sleep-dart him and nano-boost him, so I'm fairly certain you'll be able to pull him. For Tokki. You can "hook" the enemy Tokki with roadhog pulling it into your team wiping them, so it's highly likely you can pull your teams Tokki as Lifewaever. :/
There's an easy solution for his abilities. Don't have a confirmation button, but have a rejection button that you can press to stop being pulled
Extra button could be annoying but maybe use an existing button like interact
The problem with that would be what would that button even be you have to take consideration for Console players, with every button being used depending on the hero so letâs say he tries to save someone but because theyâre in the middle of a fight, they click the rejection button which leads to them dying
I think it might be okay with the interaction button button console wise; but I do quite often notice that I do accidentally press it a lot on genji when I'm near a symm tp, so I'm not sure. Maybe double tap interact?
i think better solution would be to select a partener, so if a doomfist or a genji wants to dive you can offer to be a partner and they would be the only one affected by your skills.
@@relig5513 I mean the interact button is only used for symmetra pretty much so it could be the same button
After pull the character pulled should gain the ability to double jump for 1.25 seconds. That would help a lot with illios "moments".
I was thinking of something similar. Put them in a float state for a second and allow them to move during it
I had an idea where the player can jump while in the bubble to just cancel it, this could stop them having no choice but to die if they see the bubble will be a troll one
The play style looks new and interesting. I can imagine platform and high noon combo gonna be wicked fun to pull off.
Life Grip, has the potencial to be one of the best support abilities or the greatest troll ability. Imagine pulling an ulting Genji, Rein, Cass, Ram, Orisa, Moira out of position making their ultimates useless.
so stupid. They just gave supports another ult-cancelling ability. It's really sad how much they cater to the easiest role in the game
@@johnsonspark171 bruh
@@johnsonspark171 ye qp gonna be unplayable
or pulling them into the other team since they're protected while traveling
Yeah, a good combo would be you reaper or orisa ults and you pull them into the enemy team. You just need to flank them or hide behind the enemy team
It would be cool if the theme of his healing was similar to his ultimate: leaving behind flowers that do miniature healing pulses for a brief period of time. So for example, when he dashes, he would leave behind a trial of like 3 or 4 petal blossoms (that have like 30 hp each) that would pulse 3 times a second for 40 health per pulse before fading away. If he max charges his healing fire, he leaves behind a petal blossom at the targets location that does a few healing pulses. His ultimate's aesthetics would be changed to have a large group of petal blossoms on the ground around the tree to match with the aesthetic with the rest of his kit.
Note: the "petal blossoms" that I suggest look very similar to his petal blossom ability, just at a smaller size.
Very interesting idea. A builder heal character
I reckon just have healing over time at full charge because as a charge up I think trying to heal multiple people at once is way too hard.
Example numbers would be Increase charge up time and have it do 25hp/s at 100hp per charge and 2.5 - 3 second charge up. From the video it looks like a 1.5 second charge up
Could also be a burst of 50hp on hit and then 50hp over time at 25 a second with a longer charge up
I think this would be good but they would have to remove the speed reduction.
@@kiwikiwi5602 I just feels like it fits with his aesthetics of using hard light to creat objects like symmetra does.
His whole kit is movement but then he gets a movement penalty when he is doing his job which is healing. Bit counter intuitive
For the conformation thing on his abilities for the the grip, they can add the option of confirming like Anas ULT and next to that in the setting or somewhere they can have "always accept or always decline" and you can change it for each new player you come in contact with, this for life weavers teammates, and when they decline it shields the ally instead of pulling, they can also add that as a feature where he can either pull and immune or shield and purify maybe. Or just shield.
11:55 that is insane. Although the ability has a 20 second cool down, I can already imagine an massive increase in reports under gameplay sabotage of players supposedly overextending from the Lifeweaver player's pov.
His platform could theoretically be used against a lot of various ults. My mind goes to escaping a DVA bomb.
Exactly!
Can also be used in conjunction with teammates or enemy ults. Cassidy being a prime example. The platform gives him a high ground advantage for his ult. I can potentially see sigma being the best hero to combo Lifeweaver with as well.
@@Naxyr_1 thatâs a really good way to look at it
Iâm absolutely digging Lifeweaverâs kit complexity. Heâs got massive troll potential, sure, but with great team communication he will be a game changer. Support has been in dire need of a hero like this. Just wish he had more healing output but I understand his main focus is being a walking map editor.
I think a good change for life grip will be after you pull a person a small flower platform stays beneath the pulled in player for like 2-3 seconds or until the player gets off it. This will stop people from trolling as easily. As the person has a small window of opportunity to reposition themselves away from the pit and Survive.
The fact that the ability are made for good tension but falls in bad tension because Humanity's nature is very fascinating to me.
What language u trying to speak?
@@PeaceMastah I'm guessing he meant "intentions". But now we get to play my favorite game! Is it A: English isn't isn't his first language, B: He's a child, or C: Good old fashioned dummy? My money is on B
Why do you not believe in salads?đ€
Tension? Brother I been there, well relief is outright faster
Youâre gonna plant them đđ buddy?
Not even human nature mate, the concept is very frustrating and a stupid design because the weaver can think he's doing good but ultimately fuck his entire team by fucking the tank's gameplan
They should make the pull an interactive thing. So he uses his ability on you, and you can press the interact key to get tethered back to him.
i think yeah it tethers you to him and give you the option while giving you a slight heal. if you agree you ger pulled if not it just stays tethered or breaks(maybe in that case a shorter cool down so its not fully wasted)
So basically Thresh from League of Legends? I mean, they could literally just copy that ability since Lifeweaver already applies a shield with this skill. For instance, once the ability gets thrown at someone, it applies the shield, but they'll have to confirm if they want to get pulled back.
Should be like a 3 second countdown to accept and if they dont accept or die in the process then lifeweaver gets his ability back.
they could make it a passive thing where anyone on your team can look at you and mercy float in your direction with the push of a button.
It would be easier to allow it to maybe be used when the target ally is sub 25% health
Really happy to be a sub dude, best OW vids.
Could you move up slightly the cam tho?
For the pull, I would suggest a toggle in the menus that require you to confirm the pull, but leaves it open so if you're grouped it can still happen instantly. If I'm playing with friends, I'd want it to happen instantly, but with randoms, give me the choice.
You have a special bond with your friends then.
@@daredevil2_074 you see, if itâs a friend, getting pulled off the map is funny
I think that it would be great if it worked like a sombra tp. Like if you gave your tank a type of orb or something and they can trigger when to get pulled.
Nah you should be able to cancel at any time
This. You have it work instantly by default, but if you lose a trust in your LF skills, you can switch it to toggle confirm, like Sym tp
I feel like the fully charged blossom should at least do 70 instead of 65. That way it would be that same amount as Baptiste but without the firing speed or aoe in exchange for it being a lock on. Honestly might even want it to be 75 but that's pushing it tbh.
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His kit is cool in concept and even the abilities themselves are awesome but some stat adjustment and control changes need to be implemented.
Damage and healing: I think his dps should be lowered slightly but his ammo count increased so he can still actively participate in a fight but not be oppressive in duels.
His healing output needs a major buff, increasing the time needed to fully charge and the power of a full charged shot so that it is more impactful and situational but also increasing his base healing ability so that he can still have a consistent output to fall back on when spamming.
Elevator: the platforms cooldown should only begin to charge after it is destroyed, Also the platform could work in stages so the first stage is deployment onto the ground, then when it is on the ground using the ability key again will begin the ascent, while ascending the ability key can be hit a third time to stop it in place or it will automatically stop at its maximum height, the final use of the ability drops the platform and resets its cooldown.
Dash: I honestly think this is fine as is, it bloats his already massive set of abilities but i donât think it is harmful to him as a character.
Grab: Rather than forcefully yanking someone from position having the grab be a toggle just makes sense. You select a target in LOS and mark them for grab, this mark is similar to zens healing and discord orb and there is some kind of visual indicator for the marked player, then whenever the marked player presses the interact key they are dragged to the weaver.
Also I believe they could implement a system where you can forcefully drag a player if the game recognizes there is no safe ground beneath them(such as illios well or any other cliff). This would allow the life saving plays and mitigate the trolling aspects aside from griefing a flying target but I think thatâs negligible overall.
Tree of life: I agree that itâs underwhelming but it still seems fine for balancing and general gameplay
Martydom: I think this just needs to go, either that or a major nerf to the amount and for it to be only for teammates
I could see lifeweaver working best with communication, more so than other heroes. Like you could have your genji say he's going to go for a dive in the enemy mercy or ana, and you can pull him away after he confirms the kill, or you hear your team's reaper regretting a push and helping him reset by pulling him out of danger. Also I can see the platform being used to just shut down ults, like seen in the trailer with orisa's ult.
ive learned that in solo que the best thing to do is turn comms off. no point in arguing with people, listening to people try to back seat game, listen to everyone point figures, etc. ive actually been ranking up with it off. i just go in and try to get a feel for what people are doing and play to it. this new character will probably have to do the same. you see ana alone getting jumped? pull. you see winston make a dumb jump into bastion, etc. coordination in solo que is very limited.
He looks fun but the healing definitely needs a small buff.
then heâs also gonna need a dmg nerf to balance
nah his role is not to be the main healer. He's the dmg/utility support of the team, kinda like a zenyatta.
Heâs a support not a healer. Healer isnât a role
Donât think his healing needs a buff at all. Itâs low on purpose to compensate for his utility
don't need to heal if you throw your team off the map
Here's what needs to change for pull. When you use the ability your ally should get the immune effect like they do right now, HOWEVER in order to be pulled back to lifeweaver you have to press jump during the invincibility window. If you do you'll be pulled back, but you were the one to decide being moved. If you don't press jump during the initial imune effect, then you'll still get the immunity effect but only for a brief period similar to suzu. This would make it so that lifeweaver players would still be able to save dying teammates without having to wait for a confirmation that would make the ability clunky, while also leaving the dying player the choice of being moved. I feel since the ability already gives a crazy amount of invincibility during the pull back animation, it would be balanced to let the ability give a brief amount of invincibility if your teammate doesn't want to come back.
I genuinely like this idea a lot, and I hope it's implemented because it's an easy way to make a split second desicion to get pulled in or not vs. If you wanted to be pulled you could "accept" being pulled as someone else in the comments wrote.
You have now given a form of Recall. The most powerful ability in the game, to every single hero in the game.
This ability is a balancing nightmare and needs to be removed. His kit is already bloated and has more abilities than any other 1 Form Hero in the game.
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What about players who jump around while strafing? I feel like thereâd be a lot of accidental pulls this way
@@eidolonomega the ability is already a form of recall anyway, just one that lifeweaver can force on a teammate. This is just an idea to make the ability blizzard made give the player its used on the choice of coming back instead of the lifeweaver player without making the ability clunky.
I can see the petal platform thingy being used to get a Widow or a Hanzo to extreme heights in the middle of the map. Given that the thing only has 400 HP but its a good way to get a cheeky few unexpected kills. You can probably also displace the enemy tank and hammer in on the back-line with a big combo or something.
I feel like heâs going to be the next Mei. So many people are going to use him to troll that people will hate him. However! When someone uses him and actually TRIES to help is going to be an asset and a half.
The pull move looks SO useful⊠in the right handsâŠ
I think the best way they could rework his grippers would be to have the target player push the interact button before they get pulled. So Lifeweaver puts his ability on an ally, then they have a couple of seconds to push interact, else the skills wears off. This effect could last for like, 1 or 2 seconds so that it's still a reaction based ability. I imagine something like putting a visual border around the player's screen so that it's easy to react to.
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i already imagine so many moves with that platform. im imagining like rein slam, you lift the down people or Zarya grav you lift em out of grav if youre not in it and stuff like that. Im excited. Looks like a tough hero
I think itâs a very interesting thing to be brought into the game, love stitches friendly pull whatever that abilityâs called in HotS, I think it gives a support much more carry potential in low ranks
The one thing I really like is the petal platform. Overwatch could do with more construction style heroes, transforming the battlefield in meaningful ways. Hope we see more of this.
I can see the grip being used to call for assistance on a point when you desperately need another ally to take shots for you or just to put more bodies on the objective. Or a sneaky way of getting into the back line and yank your ult ready pal behind the enemy. If we thought teleport Orisa was fun wait till we have some fun yanking her into the enemy line... or a reaper who had his ult booped out of range.
Or, you know, pulling people off cliffs, ruining multiple ults from YOUR team, etc.
Which is far more likely to happen with this game's playerbase.
Didn't know about the movement penalty but that combined with his large hitbox makes it seem like he'll be pretty vulnerable even with his dash ability
Since the Petal Platform seems to move up pretty much instantly.
Could you use the it to push Reinhart and Wrecking Ball up and out of their ramming trajectory? Also can you set it behind Reinhart while shielding or if not. Will the Petal reach his foot and lift him up anyways?
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Ow devs : we made a new and fun feature with the ability to float up platforms and make an ult thatâs both cover and burst healing
Also Ow devs: what if hog could hook his allies
That pull is an absolute troll power and an absolute powerhouse when it comes to team play
To prevent the pull when lifeweaver jumps off the map add an LOS check if LOS is broken the pull stops. and add a quick check if the ally being pulled would also be pulled off the map either pull the ally behind lifeweaver (because most likely lifeweaver is standing very close or on the edge of a ledge) or cancel the pull entirely. The other stuff like pulling a tank that diving in might have to be fixed with an interaction key to "Accept" being pulled by the lifeweaver
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I think for his pull ability, they should make it to where it puts a shield around you and instead of pulling people to you; you can pull yourself towards them
That would not be useful because now you have a 20 second 30 meter dash
Maybe the shielded character can choose to Interact to confirm the pull
@@uxiel8015 the problem with that now is that in the heat of battle they might not even realise they can or if you did befor they can press they are already dead. It seems like it will be used best on a team with good communication.
â@@dantevicGo the opposite route then- You need to actively *cancel* it. So long as the window is fairly generous (say, any time before you arrive), then it shouldn't be too hard to avoid an unwanted pull, while still being easy to just passively accept a wanted/needed one.
Too similar to kiriko
That healing is going to be wayyyy to low in most scenarios. The number of times Iâve had to tell my teammates to switch to double primary healer is very very high. I just feel like a total lack of burst healing in his kit is going to be a huge handicap and in any situation where the other team has even medium damage he will probably be overwhelmed and a swap will be necessary
Heâs def more for utility. His damage output is probably gonna be higher than his healing like zen. Canât say for certain bc we havenât seen him in a game but ppl thought kirikos healing output was low at first until she actually dropped and everyone realized how broken it was
Agreed
Double main healer is by no means necessary, Mercy Zen is a very potent comp but it requires good communication and good target priority. But I do agree, that healing is abysmal. Struggling to fill peopleâs health against bots is crazy
It's called "support" not no-skill heal bot. If you want to play a no-skill heal bot you can still queue up with Mercy or Moira
Also they will definitely be adding a confirm feature for the pull at some point because their is literally no way for them to stop trolling otherwise and they may have to do something to the petal as well. I agree that I see I a lot of issues with this kit and Iâm sensing that their is going to be some heavy balancing on him pretty quickly
What if his pull ability put a weak shield on an ally for a short amount of time and during that short amount of time it l prompts the ally on if they want to be pulled with their interaction key/button. If they chose yes then it gives them the stronger shield to survive the pull theoretically saving them?
Iâm no theory crafter so I apologize if this is a shit idea and or if someone said it already
Agreed, I am more worried about the grip mechanic in pugs than intrigued by its potential when organized.
he has so much potential to be great but also make a bunch of troll players go crazy
They're gonna have to make an authorization for life grip possibly using Interact
What? wym
â@@cultoosk like using interact to allow him to grab you
@@nemesispax0383 Nah, it would take people too many milliseconds/seconds to actually 'consent' that they want to be pulled in (and seconds matter a lot in a game like this). They need to make a way to prevent your teammates from falling down a pit (like Mario Odyssey Practice Mode bubble when you fall down that takes you to the nearest estimated ground).
ââ@@cultoosk they could make it permanent for each match, if you disable the authorization then he can't target you with the ability, only for when he is trolling. Or it could grant you a double jump after being pulled so you can save yourself and enable some new tech
Overwatch is too fast of a game for people to decide. Supports can see if youâre critical or need help and will pull you out if need be. Thatâs the point of the role, you gotta trust the supports to do their job even if it means taking you out of position
On the positive side with good coordination, using the pull on a doomfist or Winston after a dive would be great so they donât gotta worry about cooldown and they are invulnerable
I think the best way to do it is like how they have a character in another game, not that I can remember the game, essentially there's a setting in the game where at anytime during a match you can turn or off their ability to move you without your consent, or turn off their ability to move you entirely and its only for that match, so you don't have to turn it off when you go to a new match. Lifeweaver would get told that specific target can't be moved, maybe with some special symbol over the ally.
Iâve always wanted a telekinetic support similar to Phase from paragon. He seems super interesting but definitely has the strangest kit in the game right now with the most troll potential
Me too! Phase was awesome!! So excited she will come to predecessor
Me too! Phase was awesome!! So excited she will come to predecessor
Right off the bat I feel his base healing should do more, like 75-ish, but his base attack should be a little less.
Looks promising. Thank you, Sty. đ
does it block shatter? does it get EMPd? Does it Shield you from bastion ult?
So far to me it seems as though Lifeweaver is being introduced as a Mercy alt. To me it looks like he's going to be a really good DPS pocket for picks like Genji, Tracer, really any hero who's priority is poking and making plays. Gonna be interesting to see how pick rates change for support after he's settled in.
Will be interesting to see the line ups that work best with life weaver, as itâll be a good flanking pocket but will
Need a good main healer to keep everyone else alive. I think Ana or bap will work best
He is beauty, he is grace, he will pull you out of your place đ
I think him paired with a bap window would be insane for both his damage and getting great heals through it
His petal can also lift yourself out of zarya's ult and also life orisa when she is ulting
They've created a hero that let's you play as support for the enemy team. Everything Lifeweaver does can be used to troll. Even if they feed they can troll by giving the enemy health when they get killed.
The heal after death only heals allies not enemies.
what about petal platform vs rein/doom when they are charging you to drop off the ledge...can you place it between you and enemy tank, so platform lifts enemy to the air and they just drop off the ledge themselves? or they will just move through it too fast to get lifted in the air...
Without in game coms and a team that's working together, life grip is going to be a nightmare. Even if the Lifeweaver on your team isn't trolling, they are going to pull you out of position when you're about to ult, mess up your mei walls, etc. People are going to be pissed.
The pull definitely needs to be changed before it goes live. A simple solution is to have the ability be confirmed by the person your trying to pull. Or maybe have the person your pulling float for few seconds when their pulled, so they can control where they want to land instead of being trolled and instantly falling down a hole and dying
A prompt would be too slow for it to work. A switch you can turn on and off to select prompt or just have them be able to pull you instantly is the best solution imo
@@rafe3028 Yeah like maybe you could prematurely select the person you want to pull and the person they pick can choose whenever they want to be flung back to him
nah that would be trash ppl are freaking out too much i remember when phase came out in paragon she also had a pull ppl freaked out after she came out everything was fine yall need to chill his healing is the only thing that needs to be adressed rn
No no hear me out: People shouldn't be given the option to choose, because sometimes tanks are pushing too hard and end up dying, and sometimes players accidentally fall off the map. If they were able to choose they would end up dying anyways
@@MaesReverie not to mention , the instant pill helps with saving people from ults. If they are caught off guard , I doubt they will register that they have a pull interaction on them
I expect Lifeweaver to have some new settings later on for the pull interaction. In it a current form it goes against the OW2 philosophy of players staying in control of their game such as the removal of stuns.
the whole team stacks on the left of the choke. The mayhem teams could accomplish with him is insane!
This healer reminds me of Anduin in HOTS with the player grab and ult save
Little faster healing would be nice but Iâm excited
I see all the potential for memes with this character, but I can see the massive support and 5head brain play that can be used with his kit. This hero makes me want to come back and play OW again
for the pull off the map i think a good idea would be to make a temporary platform under them so they can react
My buddy is a Genji and I'm his support and we're already scheming about him diving the enemy supports and then having me pull him back if he gets low. Could work really well if you have even 1 friend on your team willing to communicate with you.
Im imagining that Elevator being used for a High Noon or a Tac Visor!!
The Life Grip would be best if they program it to land near you but on the edge or grounded area and also like Thresh Lantern (LoL) where you need to click to confirm to be pulled.
Honestly this, make it a bright flower lantern (mechanics of threshes as you say) you put down by a team-mate and a friend can press interact key like syms Tele and choose to use it. Considered reinstalling till I saw this ability, the numbers of reports/bans is going to skyrocket đ
Honestly I think it's fine as is. The thing about Thresh is he is in an isometric game, so you can see the lantern behind you and to the sides of you, plus time to kill in League is generally lower than Overwatch so you have more time to react. Lifeweaver pull is a get out of jail free card that doesn't depend on the reaction time of your teammate. Sure, people are gonna troll hardcore with this hero, but people who were going to troll anyways would've already been throwing the game by not doing anything or wandering around. The potency of trolls will increase, but a troll on your team in ranked is basically a guaranteed loss as is, so I don't think the outcome will be different.
if you had a winston dive in for example, you could let him stay in the enemy back line a lot longer then instead of him needing to dive back out, you can just pull him back out instead
i wonder if the catch-a-mari gamemode was actually to test if ppl would find it fun to chase after things after a kill and/or deny points (or now healing) or if blizzard just thought hey we're making this hero we can reuse a bit to do this gamemode to
I feel like lifeweaver will become the new mei. It will be so easy to disrupt your own team's ultimates with pretty much every part of his kit. Imagine your dva tries to launch her bomb, but you pull her back as she presses q, now her bomb is just sitting there in your team doing nothing (even worse if it can target the bomb itself like roadhog can) or you plop the tree between the bomb and the enemy team so you shielded them from it. Or maybe hanzo is launching his noodle dragons, but you put a platform underneath him so now they go flying harmlessly over the enemies' heads. Maybe blizzard knew this and that's why they made him, because they want to draw the hate from mei
Maybe donât do any of that than? Easy fix.
@@yaketsukuzu6478 you know there can be other people that play him right
â@Yaketsukuzu Oh so just like how people don't troll with Mei? It's absurd to think that people won't use this character for trolling purposes especially considering everything in his kit can absolutely make your teammates rage out
@@adybase5362 thatâs what Iâm saying. This guy is mad that some people will abuse his kit but is ignoring that most people will actually play him right and not troll
As both a hanzo and d. Va player, your comment made me cry
The healing should charge automatically. That way if you havent used it in a while your first burst of healing will be maxed out. Healing is all about reaction, if someone takes damage i have to register that it happened then wait for heals to charge then send it out. But in that time my teammate could already be dead because my healing wasnt ready to go. This will take way to long to heal anybody and be virtually useless.
I think a nice alternative would be to have the pull ability be a passive where if a teammate gets to half health, then they have the option to be pulled by lifeweaver by clicking on him like a Teleport with kiriko. But there should be a cool down. Maybe if there is a lot of your team wanting to get pulled by him, especially when they all click at the same time, it picks the person with the lowest health.
I feel like they should have instead let Lifeweaver put an "orb" on a teammate that lasts 6 - 10 seconds in which if the teammate needs to be pulled back to the team they should be able to activate it using the same button as you would use for a Symmetra TP etc. It means that he can for example chuck it on a Genji jumping in and if Genji knows he's gone too deep he can get pulled back a certain amount of distance or towards Lifeweaver if he's within range.
I think doing that would basically be a backup life and would help WAY more. Only problem however would mean that CQC would happen less and you'd be able to play way too passively without being in a fight, especially since they made Lifeweaver basically be a target because he's a moving healthpack for the enemy.