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- Don't buy a Gibson! Let me know your opinion on this topic. Are Gibsons still worth buying?
I love Gibsons they are my favorite guitars to play but so inconsistent guitar to guitar it’s hard to recommend someone get one especially at that price.
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What do you think? Should you still buy a Gibson?
I own 8 Gibsons and I’ve never had a quality control issue. They’re fantastic guitars top to bottom
That’s great! Everyone I’ve owned has been great too and they’re my favorite guitar brand but to find those great ones I’ve had to try many underwhelming Gibsons
I'm not a fancy guitar guy, but i got a les paul tribute on sale a few months ago and i love it...stripped back, maple neck, satin finish..
I purchased my first brand new Les Paul back in 1977 (a Les Paul Deluxe), it was a fantastic guitar (especially for only $585 w/HSC).
Since then I've only purchase used/older Les Paul/Gibson. I honestly can't speak to what Gibson USA is currently building.
My advise to anyone, keep your eyes open and purchase an older instrument used.
As for the Custom Shop instruments, I think it goes without saying that ANY manufacturer's Custom Shop is a safe purchase.
As to the high costs of the better instruments, you only get what you pay for. Back in 1976 I spent $400 for a brand new Fender Twin Reverb, that was crazy expensive back then.
As costly as that Twin Reverb was, I still have that same amplifier and regularly use it! That $400 cost spread over all these decades of use made that amplifier a good bargain, the same could be said for a Custom Shop guitar that was kept and played over many decades.
Just my $.02 Cents, initially spend more and play the long-game.
Owning four Gibson guitars and I’d agree with your point of view, three out of the four I own are older guitars built in the 90s. One has cosmetic QC issues but it’s one of the best playing and sounding guitars I own. For the Les Paul, my approach was playing every one I could get my hands on before buying one. After five years I bought a newer used Les Paul and it’s awesome. Along with your advice on investing in a custom shop I’d say be really patient and the time spent looking for one will pay off.
2 things:
1. You are misunderstanding the factors quality and scarcity both affecting prices in different weights.
2. I don't trust a guy's opinión who doesn't know how to string a guitar.
I bought a gibson last year. I was so impressed I bought another.
Same here they are a good company . You took word out my mouth😂❤
For people saying "Just get an Epiphone", I have Epiphone and Gibson LPs. You're comparing apples with oranges. They are different.
If you prefer Gibson, like me, get a Gibson.
💯🏆👍🏻
Agreed - the Epiphones look similar, but they don't play or sound the same. Not bad guitars on their own, but not the same as a Gibson.
My first real gigging guitar was a Les Paul Epiphone. I finally got up enough money from graduation to get a real Gibson Les Paul. I blew the Epip away!
Guys says don’t buy a Gibson, as he holds a custom shop in his hands… ok buddy….
yeah he's a clown, typical youtuber.
Just got a new Standard a few months back and it is great. Love it , no issues.
I agree, i own a standard and its amazing. It seems like Jordan is bent out of shape at Gibson about something.
I have two LP Standard 50's from '21-'22 and they are outstanding instruments. My gold top is the best sounding guitar I've ever owned (and I've owned A LOT of guitars.
Same here, I have nothing negative to say about the brand. I own some Fenders, also have a couple of Warmoth’s I assembled and I’ve played tons of brands. I own 5 Gibsons ( 3 SG’s and 2 LP’s ) and each one plays great honestly. Something happened which must’ve pissed in this kids Wheaties.
I just got a Studio and it’s one of my favorite guitars I’ve ever owned.
@@davidhurley5032 same
there will always be certain groups of guitar players and enthusiasts who will hate some guitar make or brand for some reason, not just Gibson. I imagine Gibson is an easy mark for criticism, because they've been around for120yrs, and still manage to sell some 17,000 units worldwide per year, not including profits from EPI and Kramer.
The funny thing is that the majority of these "haters" would never say no to owning and playing one for free, and some even go to the ridiculous extent of spending a few hundred bucks on cheap knockoffs that have counterfeit Gibson branding. This doesn't sound like hate as much as just simple resentment. If you hate something, then you usually want nothing to do with it at all. The fact is that all guitar companies, not just Gibson, adjust prices to market demand. In the end, they want to sell the products they make, and they do
Well said
@@JordanSteele thanks man ... rock on !
They wouldn’t say no to owning one for free because they can sell them for a grand or more, not because they want to play it lmfao. You can walk into any Guitar Center in America and play a Gibson for free, nobody does anymore because there’s just better options for less money. Gibsons have a certain feel, if that’s what you’re after, go ahead, but you’re really just paying for the headstock at the end of the day.
@@watersnortmoment3734 perhaps that's what you would do, but your opinion is certainly no measure of what everyone thinks & does. How do you know what everyone would do if given a Gibson, or what "nobody does anymore" at "any Guitar Center"? You mostly sound naive
You do understand in 59 Gibson only made like 1500 hundred les Paul’s total? Gibson makes that in two or three days now. Of course they won’t have the same quality.
Got a LP Classic honeyburst 2022 ( the one with the lighter body and the Zebra pickups ) for 2 grands and it is amazing. 0 regrets
I have to disagree here. The Custom shop stuff is nice but does not jutify the prices they are. You have to remember the law of diminishing returns when it comes to expensive custom shop guitars. You're talking spending more than double for a Custom shop reissue than for a production line Standard but you will not get anywhere close to it being twice as better as the production model. Usually it's like a 5-10% difference max but even then, you have to ask yourself, is that extra 5% of guitar worth paying more than double for?
I respectfully disagree. I have several "$3000" Gibsons (and some more expensive) that are great. Maybe I have gotten lucky but I am happy with all of my Les Pauls, Firebirds and 335.
the video maker has no fucking clue.
There are more outstanding Gibsons, than not.
Me too. The first Gibson i ever played was shit. But i never ever held a Gibson from the Custom Shop in my hands that wasnt good. They were all brilliant made guitars. From 3k up to 13k. And i would never ever give away my R8 from 2016.
In 1959 $300 was a lot of money. That could be 1/2 a year wages. Although gas was fifty cents/ gal. I bought a ‘66 Candy apple red strat for $275 and a ‘65 Super Reverb for $300 in 1970. It seems every one is buying the “Muphry Labs” Gibsons. Many people argue the quality of wood was better in the 50s. A buddy and I took his ‘64 Strat and my ‘95 Strat and did non-empirical test. Our conclusion… they both sounded like Strats. Actually my bridge pickup sounded better- his Strat needs rewound. It’s crazy though to do the math on how much it costs to be a professional that need’s quality tools. Remember… everybody wants paid.
I think you’re completely miss guided. your analogy really doesn’t work. it’s not that a VOS is twice as good as an assembly line model. It’s twice as expensive because it has one luthier working individually. Labor costs go way up . the second point is almost all Gibsons can be set up to play well, this holds true for any decent Guitar manufacturer . It’s frustrating to me. I think a lot of people believe they can pick up a guitar off the rack and assume it’s perfect for them. It doesn’t work like that . There’s many variables that go into a guitar playing specifically well for you. The obvious ones are string gauge, action and intonation.
Until you have a Guitar set up correctly for your individual preference and play it for a while you really have no idea if the guitar is good or not. I think the vast majority of Gibson guitars play just fine. Assuming their owner understands what needs to be done.
I actually picked up a used Epiphone 60s standard for $350. It was like brand new. I got it professionally setup and honestly it plays just as good my Les Paul. I am perplexed and completely shocked how good it is.. and when I play live, I do not feel worried about damaging or getting my $3000 Les Paul stolen . I am not sure will ever pay that much for a Les Paul anymore.
I just bought a 2023 1959 50s standard Wildwood spec 59 actually and it sounded better than two custom actually outstanding
I've got a WW 50's too. Unburst finish. Along with a Custom Shop 1995 R8. I love them both.
Unless you're a pro playing big gigs and want that Gibson logo to look the part just buy an Inspired by Gibson series Epiphone. They are so good for the money. I've got 3 of em. My 2019 Gibson Studio was a quality control nightmare. It was literally unplayable. I was so disappointed. Only thing I've needed to do to the Epi's is change those nasty factory strings, set the action an replace a faulty switch. They've never made me feel ripped off..
I just bought a SG standard from their demo shop (Reverb) and the guitar is absolutely awesome... I have no qualms or regrets for buying it, even as a demo item.
Good to hear🤘
I own three SG’s and two Les Pauls and I can honestly say each one plays fantastically, they stay in tune and I’m able to get that action nice and low without creating a fret buzz. Don’t know if I just got lucky or what not but I don’t think Gibson deserves the bashing it gets so often.
@@TommySG1it doesn’t deserve it at all. Rock and roll was built on the backs of Gibson and Fender. That should tell you all you need to know right there.
@@Joey_McElroyprecisely.
Yeah this is how it typically works. People who actually own Gibsons know how great they are. People who just watch CZcams vids about them talk shit.
I've had over 5000 guitars in my hands in my lifetime & have never owned a Gibson. Les Paul's are so unbalanced, if you sit down with one on your right knee it will just slide down & smash on the floor if you don't have a hand holding it. They're too high waisted... I'd rather have a strat any day & if I was going to spend $6,000 I'd get a James Tyler, single coils are more transparent & don't sound like a big mush ball when you play fast or on the low strings. For mahogany guitars if I had get one, the new Paul Reed Smith's they've really been stepping up their game & they're more balanced when you hold them. I worked on 2 new David grissom (whoever that is) PRS's, a $5000 gold top, & the SE $800 version as well... both were better than any new Les Paul I've played... I've even worked on a $12,000 Murphy's lab Les Paul & I've played epiphone's that were just as good... No matter if you buy a standard or a custom shop, both are being made by a CNC machine
Oh wow! I’ve slowly have been looking at some of the PRS guitars. They definitely seem to win on the consistency and quality department. I hear great things about the David Grissom model too
Ahh each to there own and we all got opinions and favorites .custom shop has a lot of hands on fileing and had sanding and strict rules for the finished product , don't like any thing prs new or old , the sound , the feel, playability .worked on and owned many my self ,,ealry 90's to mid 2000's are good years for Gibson, and 2015 to now for custom shop .Fender is just as bad as gibson, don't own many, have a few older strats and teles but a friend is all ways buying both and bring to be to set up , not custom shops but hi dollar USA ones and a few Mexico ones and honest there is very little to no difference from the USA to Mexico ones all rattle and buzz like crazy and don't play good or sound good nothing like my 80 and 90's strats and teles.Action and relief has to be set hi if you do a lot of bending and play lead or they choke out and buzz to bad .prs ..hell no..re did a silver sky for him, inside and out like a Wal-Mart or China made fake guitar .he paid way up there from Sweetwater for it.Any prs I've worked on , for me any ways , is junk and worse then fender and Gibson put together .But they good and bad in all names , even older ones back in the day , every few was a turd or didn't play well or sound bad even not plugged in.when you work on a bunch of all name brands ,,you get to no them and pretty much no what's decent and just pure junk and is only popular because folks idols play or played one of what ever it is.I play,sg and own many, there ugly to me but that's what I play the light weight and upper fret reach and a few other things is why .Humbucker for me .yea my old fender single coils for some songs and sounds but humbucker do 90% of what I need to do , a good wound one , with the rigth coil offset and wind can sound teleish in the bridge and stratish in the neck if you want it too.If we all liked the same thing , tone,and guitar it would be very boring .most can't state there opinions , ideals and thoughts tho cuz folks get mad if you don't like and own what they do sadly
@@hopebrowning6300 you don't know what you're talkin about.
I went Japanese. I got myself an Edwards for $800 and I would easily say it is on par with the $7000 gibsons. Burny is another great alternative
Hahaha same man same here. I went Japanese and bought a Fujigen Neo Classic.
I've had players and luthiers say it plays and feels better than USA made Gibsons. And I must say, I agree.
Even if I didn't own it, I'd have the same opinion. I have enough high end guitars at this point to know the differences.
Japan all the way 💯💯💯
I got a 90 Edwards that’s weighs 12 pounds super solid and toneful
@ehsanhaq155 It’s insane to me that Japanese guitars aren’t loved more in the USA. You’re paying more for less by buying a USA guitar over Japanese.
My favorite one is the Satin finished 60’s Gibson Standard they just came out with. You definitely get quality if you buy 2022+ Gibson is doing phenomenal!
Heritage is a really good alternative. And I’ll be honest, an Epiphone Les Paul is not a bad choice. Especially if you do some upgrades . There are alot of choices
Definitely, I forgot to mention heritage guitars as a possible alternative. But they are cheaper and really solid guitars
@@JordanSteele I have a Heritage Les Paul style (H150) from 2009. It's way better than a Les Paul I have. I also have a Heritage archtop which is a fantastic guitar. The best cheap Gibson style guitar is an Epiphone from the 1990s made at the Korean Samick factory. You get one of these and put some Gibson Classic 57 pickups in which are great in SG style guitars. You can also replace the bridge which is not that great. Then you have a fantastic guitar at a fraction of the price of a Gibson. I have one of these. It's one of my favorites and I have other guitars at literally ten times what this Epiphone cost me.
Heritage is my next purchase
An Epiphone is not a Gibson, its a chibson company owned by Gibson.
As a Epiphone left handed player I have try many Gibson Les Paul lefty and i was very disappointed of feel and playability and sound . Still searching. My Chibson Epiphone « Less Paul Bastard » is a tone beast with Seymour Duncan pickups .
I could never get on with Les Paul's but when I tried out a 2009 one it blew me away! I still have it now and it was black but now it is honeyburst and it is just amazing. I believe the new ones have been a let down and agree with what you are saying!
I have no idea what this kid is talking about. I have a ‘57 Murphy Lab Gold Top and it’s amazing. But, I also have a regular 50’s Standard and it’s amazing as well. Neither of them have tuning problems. They both sound excellent.
He doesn’t understand marketing. There always has to be a “better and more expensive” version to make guitarists feel the need to upgrade. The standard is as good as it gets. The custom shop stuff is a standard plus aging.
Buy used...you can get a killer Gibson LP for 2k or under if you wait for the right one to pop up. I have a 2012 Traditional Plus that is easily the best guitar I own and kills any more expensive LP iv'e played yet. Best thing is to be able to play it before buying to weed out any with QC issues, though understandably that can be prohibitive for some.
Definitely recommend buying used unless a guitar just absolutely speaks to you
There’s literally no reason to ever buy a new guitar. Every brand new guitar I’ve bought ends up with some sort of finish flaw or imperfection, even beyond the $1000 mark, so now I buy used no matter what. A small blemish on a used guitar won’t bother anyone, however on a brand new guitar it’s a travesty. It’s cheaper to buy used, you get the same resale value if you get bored of it, the quality is still the same, and 9 times out of 10, you end up with a free setup out of the metaphorical box. Used Gibsons are actually a decent value proposition, but brand new, there’s better options for the price. Same thing with the “new” Epiphones, 1600 for an Epiphone is robbery when an actual used Gibson costs less for a better instrument.
I don’t know that I agree w all he said. Yeah, Gibson guitars are ridiculously expensive, and quality control is somewhat lacking for sure. But to say don’t buy a Gibson if it’s not custom shop… idk. Although I am a tele player thru and thru, I have to say, my LP 50s w P90s is the best sounding guitar I ever had. But it’s all subjective to one’s feel and taste. Personally, I think Gibsons would fare much better w younger players if pricing wasn’t such an issue.
Thanks for your input Diego! I appreciate your feedback
Part of me wonders if when CZcamsrs bash Gibson, they are hoping Gibson will give them a free Les Paul to "change their mind" like they did with Rhett shull lol. Seriously though you find a decent Les Paul, which the many of the classic series are excellent for under $2k and youre good to go. I have a prs that's an excellent guitar but it's not a Les Paul, it can never be. Many guitars are a magical sum of their parts and history. That why vintage Gibson's are the most valuable guitars to own. They are a work of art and originality. Sure there are guitars better in every category, but they'll never be a Les Paul , rant over
Dude absolutely! There’s nothing like a great Les Paul.
If you lightly squeeze the strings in the headstock your tuning problem will go away. Just got a 2023. Love love love it. Really love it.
Sorry but this is totally off base. I’ve played hundreds of Les Pauls. i’ve had my hands on vintage les pauls from the 70s 80s 90s etc.. I currently own a Les Paul traditional, pro V from 2017 and it’s one of the best guitars I’ve ever played. It comes with locking tuners, and I can play the thing for hours without going out of tune. The only people who complain about quality control with Gibson are people who are buying and selling them for profit. Guys who actually use the instruments on stage touring will scratch the damn things up within the first couple shows. And those quality problems as people call them can be found in plenty of other guitar companies as well, But there isn’t a bandwagon to go after all of them. I suggest doing the smart thing if you’re going to buy a guitar. Play the thing before you buy it. It goes for any brand. Don’t pay attention to price because some of the best less poles I’ve ever played were considered lower end. Because they didn’t have the fancy headstock or insane inlays.
Great video. Was thinking about buying a Les Paul Standard for my 50th but now I'm not so sure. Might buy a higher-end Epiphone or the new ESP LTD-EC 1000T
I just bought a used LP Traditional Pro V in transparent ebony. These are the GC/musicians friend exclusive ones. Paid 2200 after tax. Retail is 3200 on these. I love it. Seriously really good Tone options with the hp4 board. It resonates really good. Nice low action. Pretty nice top it's not flamy in all directions but i like it. The binding is scraped too low in spots, giving a little ledge in spots. The nut is cut very nice it stays in tune for a day or two. And i suck and play metal riffs pretty aggressivly. The rosewood board is pretty stripy but again i kinda like it. The frets are really leval, must have been plek'd. Frets felt kinda small at first but I've gotten used to them and really like them now. The A-symetrical neck is really worth mentioning and trying out. I think it's really comfortable. It gives your thumb the perfect angle for chords and playing notes. Just seems like it makes it easier to bend the wrist and curl your fingers up around the face of the fretboard. For 1200 dollars cheaper than new i can live with little things. Admitedly i don't really give a crap about being a little different and not really "traditional" there's millions of the same looking Les Paul's out there. I like the modern ones. One thing i'm not super hot on is, it stinks.. it doesn't smell like vanilla it smells like chemicals. And i do not keep it in the case. Maybe it will gas off eventually.
2021 classic is killer cant knock it out of tune killer tones and can be had used for 2400 , wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend.
You make a good point. I recently stopped by four GC's looking for a nice LP reissue, STD or Classic. Now I've owned two LP Standards in the past (a 78 and 82). They played well, but heavy as hell. My trip to the four GC's was disappointing as the LP's I played felt cheap, the QC is not what it was and the sound was not impressive. I have a LP replica (that has no logo or headstock badge) that I changed the pickups, bridge, electronics, tuners and dressed the frets. I kid you not the playability, tone, neck feel and acoustic ring of my replica is better than any new LP I've played. Several years ago I played a Custom Shop True Historic 60's LP. It played great, it was 8.5lbs, had nice sounding PU's and a great neck. I'm going to buy a used one, but I need to hunt one down. I won't buy one without playing it so buying off Reverb is a non-starter. My search continues.
I was really surprised to see this. I was actually thinking the other day that Gibson was doing some nice things right now and I was wondering if we were going to look back on this as a “good era”. I’m fortunate to have a few Les Paul’s from the past 4 years and they all have their thing. No issues with build quality and I didn’t have to spend years finding a good one like it’s the lost ark or something. One of the shops that I speak to regularly was just saying how you’d find a 1 or 2 really stellar examples out of every 10 guitars like 10 years ago and now it’s like 6 or 7.
I certainly wouldn’t say “don’t buy a Gibson now.” I really think now is the time you will find something really nice with much less effort. Talk to a big dealer and they can help too.
At any rate, to each his own.
I bought a LP Standard 50s last week and it's amazing.
They are, Jordan is the only one complaining
@@johnmckenna4256No, he ain't the only one. People have been saying this for years, and if you think Jordan is alone in having this mindset, you're seriously narrow minded.
Let them talk, I found a les paul special tribute for 800 bucks and aftet I put an new alum bridge on it I can sound like FreddyvKing! Judge each instrument on it's own merits. A bad workman etc. Here in the UK we are a bit poorer as teenagers so have to make the best of what we get our hands on. Don't think too much it's all marketing strategem, an instrument for every budget that's all. The cheaper ones are 90% as good as the early ones.They have done a sterling job with their range. At the end of the day a Guitar is worth what a person is prepared to pay.
I own 7 Gibson guitars. They are 30 yrs to 2 yrs. They all play great, feel great, stay in tune, and sound incredible. This good 'ol boy does not know what he is ranting about
GIbson is a business. The responsibility of a good purchase fall to the buyer.
Gibson charges what the market is WILLING to spend.
If people stop buying gibsons they will drop prices. It is our fault that standard gibsons go for 3k and custom shops for 6-7k.
But something to remember when it comes to reliability issues, you will only hear about an issue, someone who receives a perfectly good guitar will usually not go public about it.
Gibson makes MILLIONS of guitars each year and as it has always been, there are bound to be some friday afternoon quality checks...
There is a large amount of people complaining about a Gibson product, but compare it to the millions of instruments that make it to their owners without faults, that's a small fraction.
And the fact that you can find a lot of imperfect Gibsons in stores is a result of them not being sold, being flawed, the good ones just don't stay in the store long enough.
I used to hunt for flawed instruments back in the day, mostly finish or hardware flaws, nothing constructional, waiting for their listing price to drop over time being stuck in the store and not getting sold. You'd be AMAZED at how much of that retail price you see in the website is a dealer's profit. It's alot. And of course official dealers have to list them at specific prices.
All in all, yeah, don't buy a gibson AT THE ASKED PRICE.
Your odds of getting a bad one are the same as with every other manufacturing process, it is just the price that is high enough to render flaws unacceptable in our minds.
Get a deal, the dealers can do it.
Use the warranty terms, return a bad instrument or request a fix/replacement. These terms are partially what you paid for.
Go to the stores and play the damn things, see and feel which ones are the good ones. Even if you order a perfectly good instrument you may not vibe with it enough.
Ask the stores when they expect new deliveries or ask them to give you a call when they have new instruments for sale. Be there to check them out cause the good ones will disappear quickly.
And if you find flaws on a guitar, use them as a bargaining opportunity. THATS WHAT THEY DID IN THE 50s, they did not reject a good instrument simply because it had glue squeeze or lacquer overspray or a scratched finish. If the guitar was good they would cut a deal and get a good guitar at a lower price.
100%
I have bought 2 new gibsons in the past 3 years and all of them have been flawless guitars. Lets hearken back to 2015-16, firewood. Gibson has massively improved their quality control since 2019. Every single 2019 + gibson ive played has been flawless.
Heritage is awesome, also i have an Eastman sb59/v i love it! I have several les paul guitars and I love them all too.... i rotate thru all my guitars for gigs, but my Eastman is the best for me... as far as staying in tune as long as the nut is cut properly and throw on some locking tuners i have no issue with staying in tune...tone wise i think gibson pickups could be better, my Eastman came with lollar pickups and they sound so good I'm thinking about putting them in my les paul.... one thing i would recommend if people are dead set on a les paul check out wildwood guitars, you can get a "standard" but with a wildwood spec flame top for $3k and honestly it looks as good as my custom shop...maybe even better
That’s good to know
You logic is a bit flawed in my opinion. While I agree Gibsons prices are inflated for the guitar itself, its important to understand that price is built from a combination of factors- the guitar quality, and the brand, being two. Louis Vuitton handbags are a perfect example- the prices are wildly overpriced for the bag itself, but people are willing to pay because of the brand and its status in the world. Gibson also enjoys being a brand with a heritage that allows it to charge a premium for its guitars. That may be frustrating to some, but that's just that way the world works. And like all premium products, the price difference between great and amazing is always an exponential jump in price for only marginal improvements. This is also the case with a standard vs an R9. There is not a huge difference in these guitars but a huge price difference- and this is normal for premium products. That doesn't mean the Standard is 50% of an R9. Its more like 90% of an R9. Because of this I personally think the new standards are a much better value than the R9. But maybe I'm biased because I love my Wildwood 2021 50s standard.
Guitar quality, my ass!
Why do Gibson headstocks break at a disproportionately higher rate than every other guitar brand?
Why do Gibsons have WELL-DOCUMENTED tuning stability issues that most brands don't?
And have you seen Glenn Fricker's review of the *Gibson* Dave Mustaine V (and yes, I do mean Gibson, not Epiphone, Kramer, or any other brand under the Gibson umbrella)? $2800 for a fucked up paint job is a SCAM, along with an accurate representation of Gibson's quality control issues.
What Gibson is REALLY charging you for is 2% for the guitar itself, and 98% for the badge on the headstock. You're paying for the Gibson name, end of story.
@dionr1168 Reread it. He’s not saying the guitars are higher quality than their competition. He directly compared it to a luxury handbag, which just also happens to be a trap for those chasing status. Luxury clothes and accessories are hilariously low quality for their prices, it’s an apt comparison.
@dionr1168 the headstock angle,or design has nothing to do with the quality of the guitar itself.
Hello. well, I dont have much experience with gibsons. I only have a slash standard and it stays in tune much better than a hard tail strat I have or a floyd rose charvel.
My gibson always stays in the case when not played and when I pick it after 1 week, I just give it some small ajustments in the tunning. But I cant compare it to other gibsons
I just bought a 2023 Blueberry Burst Standard. It’s a dream guitar, perfection. I also have a 93 Standard. Still rocks.
I have an 09 Gibson Les Paul Studio that I bought brand new for $1000 and spent a few hundred bucks on top of that this year upgrading the electronics and some better sounding pickups and now its everything I wanted. Id never pay the prices theyre asking right now for a Standard or even a new Studio.
Those are some great studios right there. Definitely as good as a standard
I’ve tried the new Gibsons and you are definitely correct. Even the finish colors are terrible!! My 2 main les Paul’s are a 2002 and 2004 standards and they are great guitars. I’m
Not sure what happened to Gibson but honestly all you are buying when you grab a new one is a name.
my experience with Gibson has been great. I just bought a $3000 slash November burst and it kicks ass. I thought it would be comparable to my $1500 ltd ec-1000 evertune but it's a noticeable step up. Idk, Gibson's audience doesn't like change and it's inhibiting Gibson's ability to expand its customer base. I wouldn't be surprised if Gibson was acquired by a more successful company in the future, so I wanted to get a real one while I could.
Like everything, there’s exceptions. I have a 2011 trad pro, 60s neck, med jumbo frets, Alnico 3 and classic, plecked , metal Jack plate, wine red. It plays and sounds amazing, players are blown when they plug it in. Bought off the rack at GC 2011, never looked back. I haven’t been looking and we know they’ve had CEOs jump ship. I hope they get it together.
That’s awesome! There are definitely some great ones out there🤘
Would you recommend a gibson les paul tribute or epiphone 59 les paul?
I bought a new Les Paul Standard this year for around 2500 bucks. To me that is eye wateringly expensive (Custom Shop just ain't happening anytime soon, if ever) but it'd always been a dream of mine to own a Gibson Les Paul since I was like 13 years old (and am now in my mid 30's). I'm certain there are better guitars out there, especially for the money, but I also know if I hadn't seized the opportunity to get it, it'd always be lingering in the back of my mind, what if?
It's a nice guitar. I think in 2019, with the leadership change, they really started to push their guitars to be better. They're not weight relieved like every Gibson from the 80's onward has had, and mine is 9 lbs 2oz. Not exactly super lightweight, but given it's got no weight relief holes in it, I think it's pretty good. It plays well. Almost too well, I actually have a little hard time playing it because it's a lot smoother than my mostly-fender stable of guitars.
I think for most people, it's probably not worth it. Especially since they just tacked on an extra 300 bucks to the MSRP of the Standard (thankfully after I had bought mine). Maybe one day I'll end up with a Custom Shop or maybe I'll pick up a guitar from a "better" brand that will blow me away and contextualize where this plain Les Paul Standard fits. But for now, I'm happy with it.
Yeah it does seem from what I’m hearing in the comments the newer Gibsons from 2019 to now have been improving. The wild thing regarding custom shops to me is that 5-10 years ago you could get a used custom shop for around $2,500 now it’s double
It’s smoother because of the scale length. There’s less tension on the strings meaning the strings are easier to manipulate with your fingers, this gives a smoother overall feeling. PRS although being a middle ground scale length between Gibson and Fender is a lot better of a comparison.
What do you believe is the main difference between a 50s standard and an R model? Materials? Craftsmanship? What in your opinion mainly makes the R such a better guitar. I agree, I just want your take bud? I know my actual 50s guitars are great. I assumed it was mostly due to the wood being almost petrified at this age. Lol.
It 100% starts with the wood. Some people argue the wood doesn’t matter I disagree. I think the wood and proper construction of the wood is the most important and foundational component to a great guitar. I’m a very big fan of solid Les Pauls that are light. I find them to have better resonance and tone. After that wood and construction there’s nothing else that really can’t simply be changed on a standard to make it basically a custom shop. You can change pickups, pots, tuners, bridge. So I think really the only difference is the wood and construction.
I have a LP 90's studio, SG standard, 2010 USA LP std, ANd 2022 LP standard faded and never had a tuning problem and they play FANTASTIC!!
I’m lucky to own 2004 Gibson SG Standard without neck dive problem and other issues. But for LP alternative I would rather go for History guitars or ESP Navigator used.
I have a 2013 les Paul standard that has no issues . I have to say I’ve owned 3 Gibsons prior to my 2013 that did have tuning stability problems . Love my 2013 and won’t ever sell it .
If you have a Gibson with tuning issues, 99.9999999% of the time it’s because of the nut slots not being cut properly. It’s a simple and inexpensive fix, which should be done when you have your guitar setup. In my 33 years of owning Gibsons, I have yet to have one that was perfectly setup at the factory. Hell, that goes for every brand of guitar I own.
I bought a Les Paul traditional 2019 for a bargain price at long Mcquade ( brand new old stock) cherry it has all the bell and whistles of a 58. Over 10 pounds. I swictch the trust rod to a blank one. It’s basically a 58 specs with a baseball ball. No stupid push pull etc. It’s stays in tune and I love it. I also bought an Adam jones standard . Plays amazing I love silver burst. And this model actually looks more like the original 1979 than the other out there. Same thing a boat anchors heavy , Grover tuners stays in tuned etc. And my next go to will be a custom shop white tuxedo custom. ❤❤love your video btw 👍🏻🤘🏻
Just purchased 2020 les paul standard and this video popped up on my page now😢😂 i disagree that motto “ half price= half quality” I owned 2011 lp standard which had chambered body. I realized chambered body is not my thing. I dont feel like i m playing a les paul. I beileve your 2007 lp has chambered body too
I love the chambered body
I would just pick up a PRS. I know the Gibson defense force is going to reply but I’m just saying what I think. You shouldn’t have to dig to “find a good one” and I’ve heard many people say the same thing. Rework the headstock so it stays in tune.
“Finding a good one” is just their justification for poor quality control. That line only speaks volumes about Gibson’s consistency. The funny thing about the headstock is that they’ve actually changed it before. However, their more rabid and least intelligent fans lost their minds because of the lack of tradition. The fans themselves caused Gibson’s downfall by holding them back and forcing them to abandon innovation. The people buying Gibsons just eat up marketing.
For me ( born 62) if i walk past a Les Pauls or a cool old shool strat all that famous music comes up in my mind and it pulls me into that shop like a Zombie
as an avid buyer of Gibson's. You are absolutely right. My custom shop is great. all my others are cool but a pain in the a**. If you want a good pro guitar. Every USA Fender I buy is a great player and sounds awesome.! The custom shops are just greater! but the regular USA core line of Fenders all play and sound great for 1-2k
Yeah and that’s how it should be with Gibson. The core models should be great and custom shop greater
I just bought a used 2022 Gibson Les Paul 50's Standard Cherry Burst for 2 grand. It's in mint condition, even has the decal on the pickguard. I like it. I also have a 2022 Flying V 70's reissue. Same deal, absolute mint! My last Gibson is a 2016 Memphis Es 335 studio. I love em all!
Tell us how you really feel.....
I love Gibsons but I think calling the new $3k Les Paul an actual standard is a lie
Calling it a *historically accurate standard is a lie
Enjoying your channel and your playing is great! Have you had a chance to try some old Japanese Les Paul copies like Tokai, Greco, Burny etc? Cheers!
I read all the comments 343 people out of 380 agreed Gibson sucks. I was thinking about getting one' not going to now' decided to get a fender because everyone says they're alot better from what I've read about them and cheaper.
Ended up getting a telecaster' and it's the perfect model.
I've owned a ton of vintage Gibsons...in the late 70s fifties Gibson's were not expensive. I now own a 2018 sg junior that is every bit as good as any 60s sg's I've had...better than most of em. It's not a custom shop guitar but it was a limited run. Phenomenal guitar
Gotcha. There’s something super cool about the sg juniors I’d like to have one at some point
I have a 2018 SG junior as well, has the cool script logo and the banner logo on the back of the headstock. Absolutely phenomenal guitar. Nope not a custom shop. But still amazing!
I owned a 59 custom shop from 2019 and sold it again after a while. I just bought a 60s standard that is amazing. It sounded better than a murphy lab they also offered me in the store. I did put some custombuckers in the 60s standard and I think that standard is even better than my Custom Shop 59. It's ALWAYS a very individual thing. You gotta test and play them until you find the right one. It's not true that the standards are all bad. They can be perfect.
My 2009 Trad, sounds and plays better than every CS Les Paul at my local GC, as does my 2014 Trad Pro II, and 2012 Jr. Special. My 2009 Trad may as well be an R9, with a Nashville bridge, instead of the ABR-1. All of my LPs are stock, except for swapping the control knobs on my ‘09 Trad and ‘12 Jr. Special, putting a blank truss rod cover on my ‘09 Trad, and putting vintage amber switch tips on my ‘09 Trad and ‘14 Trad Pro II. I also own/owned other Gibsons which are stock and absolutely amazing guitars.
I disagree because I’ve played several R9s and they were dead… I played a 2016 traditional that was phenomenal! As well as an hp from the same year that blew me away… one man’s opinion is respected but it’s not law…
I want to buy one sooo much. They look so good :) But yeah, videos like this put me back to earth. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Man do listen to this kind of garbage. I own around 15 Gibsons, they are all fantastic. I’ve got old old ones, and brand new ones. They are wood, yes they will need a set up, but any guitar regardless of price, should get a proper set up. It’s wood, they move, the nut is a general cut to get you in the ball park. They still need to be cut to the player’s preference. I’m sad to see his video would persuade you against buying a new Gibson. Maybe he should just sell his 3 and get some ibanez
This cat couldn't be more wrong!
Don’t listen to this guy. He is just trying to get views. Gibsons are some of the best guitars out there. I currently own 124 Gibsons.
I currently own five Les Pauls. I have a couple of Customs and a Standard and a Classic and an Axcess. I love all of them. I just bought the Standard about two weeks ago. It sounds great and plays like a dream. I have owned others over the past 35 years. I've never had a problem. Guess I got lucky?
Man, I have a couple old epiphones and I love them...
They've been used by a bunch of people and still look, sound ,and keep tune .
As a guitar player who loves Les Pauls, why would you make this video? Are you mad at Gibson about something? Seems like this could hurt your relationship with the company, and you are prime talent for a potential sponsorship.
Yeah that’s very true. I’ve played Gibson guitars for 13 years and the Gibsons I currently own are my favorite guitars to play and would even say the best guitars I’ve ever have played from any brand. But in my opinion and experience in the 13 years I’ve played Gibson guitars I’ve seen them get worse and worse and more and more expensive (as a whole out of the hundreds I’ve personally have played) there are definitely still outstanding examples. And in my opinion from playing many Gibsons and other guitars from different brands what they’re selling for $3k is equivalent to a $1,500 guitar and not worth spending the money on. I think what they’re doing is genius marketing and definitely helps increase sales. Putting slash’s name on a standard, calling one a “greenie” standard or simply calling it a 50s standard implying it’s somehow close to a 50s Les Paul. It’s good marketing but doesn’t mean the guitars are worth buying at a higher price.
@@JordanSteele Thanks for your insights. You are one heck of a player. Love all your content, thanks for making it happen.
Here's the thing. You can buy other name guitars but when you sell are you gonna get your value back out. That fancy name on the headstock does help in holding its value IMHO.
That’s definitely a factor and true
Here’s the thing. Buy used. “But m-m-muh resale!” Ok, cool, you bought it depreciated the resale value remains the exact same.
It's a good topic/question. You have to wonder how many of these newer guitars are made by CNC machines, where are they sourcing the wood, how much is made in China (or Vietnam/Mexico/Thailand etc.).
All the rich 50yr old Dentists in the comments😂 Look if you’re 20 and a working musician, Gibson is not for you. They’re no longer for the working musician, they’re just a bougie brand.
Tuning issues with gibson less Paul's is from the 3x3 headstock. Any guitar with that headstock can have that issue.
Jordan, This is the first time I am hearing the new Gibsons 2019 and newer, have an issue staying in tune or overall poor quality issues, Why are you the only one saying this?
i bought a 2017 les paul standard and it does not sound like a les paul, gigged with it a few times and know it sits in my closet i did buy a gibson SG 2017 also and that guitar sounds great.
Epiphones from 2020 onward are fantastic. Unless you are buying Gibson for the investment, I’ll tour and record with new epiphones without question.
Try the Japanese copies from the late 70's / early 80's. I have a Greco les Paul and it is a great quality guitar, for a good price. Other brands like Burny, Tokai, El Maya, Fernandes made quality Gibson copies.
Definitely 🤘
I have worked as a gigging musician my whole life. ( 40+ years)
Currently, for the last 3 years my pricey stuff is in storage and I have gigged with a 155$ Grote thinline and a 89$ Grote strat I installed 33$ worth of alnico pickups in.
The guitars have worked flawlessly.
I never worry about em when I am on break. I never worry when i leave em on stage after soundcheck.
I never worry when my cat falls asleep on one.
Playing these value priced axes has been a lovely, liberating experience.
Highly recommended for peace of mind.
What you're referring to is called the "LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS"... which simply begs the question.....if guitar A cost $3K and Guitar B cost $9K, is guitar B really 3 x's BETTER than guitar A? (as you have discussed) That difference is directly related to the price. The law states that as BOTH items increase in price, the difference with regards to how much better the higher priced item is over the lower item, the "return" for your money becomes less and less.
Ex,...... when asking if a $500 guitar is twice as good as a $250 guitar, that could very well be true... conversely as price rises and the question becomes ....is a $12K Murphy lab 2X's better than a $6K non Murphy lab and the answer is always going to be NO. At that price point, you're not paying more for quality, playability, tunability, tone etc, you're paying for the aesthetics and maybe some nostalgia and subjective preference. The Murphy lab guitar is most certainly NOT 2X's as good as the non Murphy but a $500 guitar can easily be constructed with better parts and higher QC therefor well worth twice the $250 guitar.
Sorry but don't agree at all...I own one of the new standard faded 50's and it is such a great guitare. I also own an Epiphone custom pro, which is one of the top epiphone's guitare now a days and the Gibson is way better in terms of quality.
Of course a custom shop will be better than the standard ones but not like 50% better, what ever that could mean...the price is like 40 or 50% more expensive but the guitare may be like 10% better that's it...and if you re Lucky maybe less than that.
Anyway as an owner of one of those guitars you re talking about I can definitly recommand them as they are great instruments indeed
In 1989, when I was 14 I bought a Epiphone Les Paul standard for $400. I had to work for that money believe me. Anyway, maybe it was special or something, but I never felt the need to buy another electric guitar. Tried a bunch of different pickups, but wound up with some Anderson splitable humbuckers and called it good. Can't imagine paying even 3k for a guitar.
That’s really cool. When you find the right one that’s all you need
I had a Korean Epiphone Standard that was rock solid. It was one of the best guitars and I traded it, completely regret it.
That’s unfortunate. I feel I’ve traded some great guitars too. It sucks
I've got 8 Epiphones 4 LP's and 4 SG's and they suit me just fine. I've done mod's on all of them and put Gibson pup's in them all except for my 59' LP that already had them in it, replaced the switches to Switchcraft and put Grover locking tuners on all of them. I can say that I think they sound just as good as my Gibson's do. The only one I wasn't really happy with is my 2020 LP Black back, it just don't feel like my other Custom's it's not something I can pin point but it just isn't my favorite one so it's up for sale. I was going to buy another Gibson LP but I have been playing my Strat a lot lately and I am getting hooked on that American Pro 1. But I still love my LP's
I have a few historics and vintage Gibsons and I have to say my Orville by Gibsons are as good or better than any custom shop or vintage Gibsons. Better get one soon if you want one though because even those are getting pricey.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll definitely be on the lookout
I wouldn’t EVER buy a Gibson USA line guitar. I only buy Custom Shop, and ONLY second hand. Granted it’s only been two guitars, but they’ve both been and are ringers. I would buy an USA model IF I could play it before buying it, and it was an awesome playing guitar, AND if it was priced accordingly. If you don’t wanna pay the exhorbitant CS prices for a new guitar, check out Heritage Guitars. Same factory that made 90% of the Holy Grail Gibsons, and some of the same people that made the Holy Grail Gibsons. I’ve played a few Heritages’ in Guitar Center, and they are AWESOME guitars!!!
I personally love my gibson les paul standard 60's unburst, the only qualm I have is their price in the same respect as how expensive marshall amps are in the US for the price, it's the same for gibson usa (I live in the UK so prices range from £2,200-2500) when you could buy a maybach or an eastman at much better quality and nicer looking woods for the money, I have played many gibson in denmark street (this was 2016 so pre-bankruptcy) and those were the biggest hit and misses I have had in my experience of playing guitar, went to loads of shops and the first few I played were lack luster (and £3500 at the time!) and there was one honeyburst which was a beauty to play and sounded class, my unburst defo has a smaller neck profile than whatever they were going for at that time and as a guy with small hands I have a much better time playing the 60's ranged stuff. I think if you went to a shop play one and REALLY make sure it is what you want and that the guitar is up to your expectations, if it's not then move on try a different one or a different guitar entirely (meaning non gibson related) personally as a englishman Epiphone has a much richer history in music for us, such as the beatles, the rolling stones, the jam, oasis ect. so they are seen as more desirable and also are much better value for money, my crestwood (polaris white) and my signature noel gallagher riviera are both works of art and I will admit the fit and finish in my opinion were nicer than when I got my gibson les paul brand new.
That is some very good information. I totally agree when regards to buying a Gibson. Typically you have to try a bunch out to find the right one
I call bullshit. Les paul standards are great guitars. Keep in mind off the shelf set up is garbage
I recently bought a second hand 2007 Les Paul Standard with a desert burst. Absolutely love everything about it.
I agree with you about the price of the Custom shops and now a Standard production
Les Paul is $3K new! I really wanted a Re-issue burst but was not about to spend $6K on one!
So what i did was shop around and took my time and found a 2016 Historic Custom shop R8 for $3500 in like new
condition. Even though it is a 6 year old guitar it was not played a lot so it still looks new. It has the COA and all the hang tags.
They are out there and you can find a used Gibson for a lot less money and not have to sacrifice the new look/condition.
By looking at mine you would never know it was a used guitar!
Dude! That’s awesome congrats! That’s a killer guitar
@@JordanSteele Thank you really appreciate that!👍 Yeah i just wanted to let others know there are killer deals
out there used if someone has to have a Gibson like i did. Other than the price of a new one i really like Gibson guitars.
Most get turned off by buying used but i have found if you take your time and don't rush into it you can find
like new Gibson's for half the price! I am shopping for a R9 next.
You made some great points. They charge more for the real thing because...reasons. It took me 7 years till I was able to afford and find a Standard that wasn't a lemon, and just as you so eloquently mentioned, now I'm craving the real thing.
Pedro Pasquale when he was young? Mandolorian. This is the way.
No they ARE real Gibsons, they are made by Gibson in a US factory. My Lizzy Hale Explorerbird needed a fret dress new out of the box though!
If you had to pick:
2015 Epi LP Standard Pro
Vs
2022 Epi LP Standard 60s
Please help
The difference between a standard and a 59 reissue is massive. I sold my r9 years ago and would like one again but the prices have gone through the roof and for that kind of money id rather have a nik huber😊
While i do understand your main point and you have a couple of things right, there’s still a lot more going on that would be wise to check before make some of these statements.
They should provide a lot more for 3k on a standard and that's a fact. I'll give you that.
Custom shops going for twice the money is about hand crafting and cost of labour nowadays. In order to replicate as faithful as possible, they need to use highly technical craftmanship and inefficient methods, and that's about it.
There’s also the dimished returns principle that applies for almost every product on the market.
Tunning stability on Les Pauls, Sg's and almost every Gibson with headstock angle and 3+3 tuners configuration is a design flaw, that also happens on original bursts. There's a lot of workarounds for this, but the truth is that having a Les Paul that doesn’t suffer from tunning stability on the third and fourth strings, is an exception. Specially on the third.
But saying that you shouldn't buy anything new from them, it’s a little to much. I would agree that buying Gibsons from 2010 to 2018 it’s complicated (2015 is a year to stay away for Gibsons), if you go for 2019's and over, you should be getting what you are paying for. Which, unfortunatelly, is less than it was 20 years ago.
And yes, you are paying a lot for that Gibson on the headstock, but again, it is how market and legacy works
Gibsons have issues like even a Lamborghini and ferrari. Just have to find the right one, try before you buy! I dont have a Gibson yet but plan to get one if its in the cards, before that it will be a black Yamaha Revstar Standard. Edit: The Revstar Standard is under $1000 USD and just as good or better than a $3000+ Gibson!
Yeah when it comes to a Gibson definitely try a bunch out first and don’t be to quick to make a decision
@@JordanSteele i agree as they are not cheap but you get a good one and its satisfaction!
Definitely
I currently own five Les Pauls. I have a couple of Customs and a Standard and a Classic and an Axcess. I love all of them. I just bought the Standard about two weeks ago. It sounds great and plays like a dream. I have owned others over the past 35 years. I've never had a problem. Guess I got lucky?
You didn’t get lucky; You shopped wisely. I own 3 Gibson LPs, a Gibson SG, and I owned a Gibson Flying V, dating from 1985-2014 - all of them are amazing. Of course I had them all professionally setup, as I do any guitar I buy. Anybody who doesn’t do a full setup on their guitars, has no business complaining about any tuning issues, fret sprout, gritty frets, poor fret work, etc.
I can’t believe I just wasted 4 minutes listening to this rambling narrative …I checked out early
Well said
I picked up an Adam Jones Les Paul Standard and it plays great - stays in tune and fit and finish are amazing - it is my first Gibson and I am not disappointed - maybe they put a little more care into the artist series guitars? plus its a little different having the ebony fingerboard unlike normal LP standards. I own several Epiphone LP's and they are good - the '59's and the bonamassa black beauty are really good But my Gibson AJ LP is absolutely a better playing guitar. I want a LP Custom but thats a bit more than I can justify paying.
That’s awesome! I haven’t played one of the Adam Jones models but they seem pretty cool with the silverburst and ebony board. A great Gibson is my favorite guitar I’ve just played a bunch of ones that were not up to par and they keep going up on price
@@JordanSteele I definitly agree on the price issue and I know all about the QC issues. The price of a basic custom shop guitar should not be pushing $8k or more I would love to own an R9 but they are grossly overpriced. As far as Gibson USA - any guitar costing more tha 2k should be perfect - maybe less manual hand labor - less options but quality and playability should still be top notch. I have a couple of LTD lP’s and I have played high end ESP LP’s and to be blunt QC and playability are as good as the ESP model’s and for the most part they look the same too- difference are usually full maple too vs veneer, maybe better hardware or electronics(not always) but always more hand labor if they can do it - Gibson can too.
Wow I did not expect this coming from a Gibson guy... Sounds legit tho, I had Les Pauls from 2019, 2015, 2010 and 2006. The oldest I bought the better they got.
The mid 2000s and later Gibsons are typically great in my experience. I swear since around 2009 they’ve slowly gotten worse. Since they created the 50s and 60s models in I believe late 2019 they’ve slowly gotten a little better but nothing like they used to be
I think the company came under some new leadership recently. I think they know they suck, but they will not budge on price
It seems they keep raising prices
Just bought my 4th Gibson Les Paul yesterday. All of them great. They stay in tune, sound fantastic, look great and none have any quality issues.
i'll never own a gibson ever again. once you discover japanese brands, you'll never go back. Navigator is the best of the best. Crews Maniac sound as well.
Yoooo..I have been considering buying Gibson modern but I may just get the Epiphone version or not get it at all. Thank you for posting. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Honestly, I’ve played a few of both and the epiphone modern is pretty sweet especially for the money
I don't understand. We are in the year 2023, and there are many ways to go around QC issues, how is a company with the cache of Gibson STILL having QC issues?!?!
I think they’re just trying to sell as many as possible and so qc inevitably lacks. I’m sure there’s some great ones still but it’s a lot of money to take a chance
I think this QC issue is a myth. I have bought several Gibson guitars over the past 30 years. They are all awesome.
@bigdaddystinkeye It’s definitely not a myth lmao. You got lucky, Gibson, like every other guitar maker has lemons. However, Gibson just happens to have more lemons than their competition. The majority of their guitars are still good, but the risk is too high for most to consider over less expensive competitors of similar quality.
Thank you for the honesty. Grab a Heritage and a PRS Single Cut and do another video comparing to the custom shop LP.
I’m thinking about it. That would be a good video