The last evidence of "the beard".... FAQ: *“Is the green foam like floral foam?”* NO! Totally different. Avoid floral foam for crafting at all costs. Terrible stuff that causes rashes and respiratory problems. It’s also way too brittle to hold up as terrain. The pink and green foams shown here are both XPS, just different densities from different manufacturers. *"What about balsa foam?"* I have never worked with balsa foam. Looking into it it seems there are varieties available that would probably be ideal for impression carving, however it's not an appropriate material for me as balsa foam can not be machined with hotwire tools which is vital for breaking down material and creating desired thicknesses. Check out Gerard online Shop - www.shiftinglands.com CZcams - czcams.com/users/Shiftinglandsvideos Workshop Video - czcams.com/video/K6KUqFZYlZ8/video.html
It was a great experience visiting Black Magic Craft. Had a lot of fun and I did learn a lot about this other type of foam. This visit Inspired me also for 2 more project that might be used within the book we are currently making. Working hard on new scenery, developing new stuff and if Jeremy is ok with it I will visit BMC again in 2020.
@@mrDigitalis Modelbouwenzo.nl heeft blauwe foam. Die werkt best goed voor mij. het heeft ook witte foam maar die heb ik nog nooit gebruikt. Ik raad je aan om een aantal platen te halen. het lijkt duur maar je kan er super veel mee maken.
In the Netherlands Pontmeyer has the green BASF stuff Gerard is talking about. You can get as much or as little as you like here, no need to buy 10 sheets. :)
facts.. I'm into cars, never done any of this stuff and I keep coming back to this.. something about it starting from nothing and it becomes amazing is just mmmmmmh
I love how this community is so open and generous with knowledge and expertise. Gerard Boom flew half-way around the world to make tiny things and talk about foam. How does it get better than that? :)
Great to see a Dutch and Canadian guy come together and talk foam and building options. I'm a Dutch Canadian and learning from those who have done it before. Following both channels now.
Man, there is something really incredible and almost beautiful about 2 people with a ton of knowledge and passion for something, who developed those skills independently, sharing with one another. You can hear it when one describes something and the other just immediately understands, I imagine that doesn't happen too often when you're the expert everybody else looks too for information.
Wow, this guy knows his stuff. Enjoyable to hear two artisans discussing the differences and similarities between techniques, and how that affects your personal style.
Wow. Two accomplished, expert craftsmen discussing completely different approaches to the same problem. Wonderful video. Definitely one of the best of this kind. I hope it was as fulfilling for you to experience as it was for me to watch!
An extraordinary video with which you learn a lot of concepts and techniques. This is what happens in a meeting of teachers who exchange ideas and points of view. Thanks for the video. I hope there are more of this type. 👍😉
Its really cool to see the different ways everyone approaches your type of foam. Although I use a different type of foam than both of you I can appreciate the work you do on your side a bit more now that I can see its not as easy to carve as Gerald's. Of course I can't use those tools at all on EVA but have to depend on an exacto knife, or other methods with heat to give all my texturing. Sometimes, I wish I could just draw out my textures with a pencil and call it a day but I'm apparently too suborn. I'll leave the hard foams to your mastery.
This was a seriously sweet vid! I would like it if you 2 just did a 24 hour marathon build session! That's not an unreasonable request, right? RIGHT?! lol
"If you don't want to pay for it, build it yourself!" Such a great attitude. After all, if we just wanted to buy everything, there are lovely resin kits on the market. Making something your own is half the fun. Great video, many thanks to Gerard.
I'm with you. I often see those resin buildings you can buy online and think "Wow, if I had the money they would be awesome to have on the table". But then the crafter in me thinks "Why would I want a building that is going to look exactly the same as the next person that buys it?".
kallisto 91 I think it is only fair and logical to building stuff for your own if you want to do so. That is why I also explained how people can make there own cylinders.
The reason I don't go for the resin kits is they are often cast in 'floor plus walls' and that makes manipulation of interior minis a pain. Also, most are too expensive, and my time is cheap.
That was fascinating! Watching two masters discuss their craft, and seeing how different the styles can be. I would love to try out some of that green foam. I wonder if there are any specialty suppliers here in North America.
Wil Sisney with more people seriously tracking down the foam in North Amerika I sincerely hope you will find it there. On the other hand, it took me an your to get used to the pink foam. And I am quitte pleased with the result.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial www.generalplastics.com, but I have no clue what the cost is, but they have some COOOL foam. They are in Tacoma, Washington USA Their FR-7100 series, "Uniform foam is easily finished or painted for low-cost core applications, hand-carved models, prototypes, CNC-machined topographical maps, composite layup tools, industrial patterns."
I've been working with foam for a very long time. I too have long believed that the green foam was different based on the results I'd seen and the results I had mirroring the techniques seen. I feel so vindicated now that a trusted direct comparison has been made and a difference being seen. Thanks for that tid bit of info.
Great video again. Yet another perspective on building and how things differ depending upon where you live. It is all about versatility and adaptation to the materials and techniques. Glad you had the visit. Both great teachers. thank you once more
This is going to get lost in the 208 comments but here it goes - In the hovercraft groups there were a couple of foams used. The main was the pink/blue. It was used for flotation because it was closed cell, a safety requirement in case the hovercraft stopped hovering. The foam wouldn't suck up water and sink. There were yellow and green foams that were used above the water line because they were open cell. The yellow was a urethane based foam and could be worked using wood tools. A big but - The dust and hotwire smoke was really toxic!!. The green stuff a little softer and was a special order from Menards but Home Depot had it in stock at some stores. This was 10 years. Love the videos. Thanks for making them. Really, thanks.
Bless you Jeremy for bringing Gerard into your shop for such an in-depth collab workshop!! To see Gerard use our materials and get his insights---so good!!! Please make more of this!!! ❤️
Stumbled upon this video and these very interesting building techniques while searching videos of proxxon tools. Thanks!!!! While I build scale balsa "flying" airplane models, it hurts when they crash, and getting into wooden sailing ship modeling.... A new world opened, plus more tools to buy, which I like. I'm almost 60 and close to retirement and I could see building a wall of medical structures as part of my shop space. Thanks fellas for opening up that door....... Steve Probelski
There's always something new to learn and this is good food for thought. That said GB is doing really a great job with his shop and I've become now one of his customers as with his tools and accessories it's always a great deal of fun.
This was amazing to see just a day after I was all over his website (thanks to you!). The shipping cost is what kept me from pulling the trigger, but after seeing how awesome this guy is I can't help but support his work. This video is a game changer for sure. Keep up the great work!
Honestly, the shipping fees weren't that bad. Mine were only about 25 dollars US which is actually pretty reasonable considering what we're receiving and where they're coming from.
Thank you, Vancouver Island here! Thank you for: Two men talking Foam. Ive been using all kinds of recycled packaging foams as well as stuff Ive tried to buy. This was amazing to hear about the differences in foam elasticity and memory. Love to learn from you!
I started working in terrain building with xps foam a couple of years ago, and since then i've bought in different colours, sizes and forms, but it was always the same foam (im from Spain so it is the German one). I have never known why it was absolutely different the way the xps foam behaves with the same techniques that you or other similar channels of the US use, and since then I have looked for information that helps me identify the problem and the differences between the european and the US foam. This is EXACTLY what I needed without knowing it so thank you guys, this is a real treasure for me hahahaha. BTW still waiting the day I can have one of those pink foam layers in my hands
Aww man, I have been looking forward to this episode! I recently purchased an assortment of goodies from Gerard (Thank you again sir btw for the extras!) and we had a few back and forth correspondences where he mentioned in the DL he was going to visit you. I hope y'all were able to squeeze in another episode before he returned to Europe, I'd have loved to see more of how he uses his templates and more complicated tools!
Found your channel the other day and wanted to try some of the builds. Being a tile installer, I work with a foam board called Kerdi board to build shower walls, etc. I always have remnants left over and thought I'd experiment. It's made by Shluter, a German company, so I figure it's close to the same foam Gerard is using. It does have a waterproof fabric layer that I had to peel off first, but no biggie. It worked amazingly for everything I created! I used a pen for my brick and wood designs and it took hardly any effort to imprint the designs. You can purchase it from Home Depot....but it's pretty expensive, ( usually $100 for a 4'x8' sheet of half inch.) It comes in 1/4 inch, 1/2, and 2 inch thickness. Now I have an infinite supply of free remnants to craft amazing settings for D&D, war games...anything. Shluter also makes an adhesive that fits a caulk gun called Kerdi fix. It's made specifically to attach the foam board together...and let me tell you, It's strong stuff! I use it in construction in the place of Liquid Nails. Just thought I'd chime in and tell you thanks for the ideas. Keep up the good work!
I’m an ex contractor that did high end renovations (before CZcams). I’ve done MANY Schluter based shower installs (actually specialized in barrier free showers) so I know Kerdi board very well 🙂 I actually never bothered using it for crafting though, and thinking about it, it’s a good option if you have cut offs. Way too expensive vs XPS to buy just for crafting though. Cheers!
Hey man. Here, Quebec City, I found out Home Depot has some Yellow/Beige foam, 2'' thick that is harder/Denser and even a bit heavier and has the same features as the green Euro Foam. Check it out. it's not on the Store floor, it's in the back and more for renovation dudes than for us average Joes. A bud who was re doing the underside of his Chalet told me he kept some Foam for me. And I was glad to see this new thing ! Hard Awesome Foam. Now I can't go without it. Check it out. I hope you see this !
There are a lot of craters using foam, and a lot of videos about foam crafting. Honestly I think this is the first video ever I have seen where one goes into details between different kinds of foam. Very informative! And I think people meeting from different parts of the world like this is helping foam crafters everywhere.
Wow, this was a master class from two experts in their particular materials. Just listening to the two of you was so helpful. I plan to watch this again when I am at my work desk so I can try some of the things you talked about. Thanks.
Well one thing I can say for sure is that there are some very high density foams in germany. We wrap the insulation all around the house from every direction . So basically the foundation of my basement and (therefore my entire house) is a layer of foam. So I am sure this type of foam cannot have any give and must be very resistant to pressure since my house is standing on it. P.S.: Great video. Awesome seeing two of my craft idols in one video.
This vid is extremely inspirational! Thanks fellas! I have been trying to figure out how to make my own texture roller--DUDE!! It IS ON NOW! Thank you soooo much!
What an amazing idea to have an amazing artist as a guest. This became one of my favorite videos about terrain crafting. I hope you bring more guests in future videos. Gerard's skill is insane and this video made me want to try his style. The rolls seem to be insanely useful and I like that the texture on them is deep. As expected the result is incredible.
Loved the video! Thank you both for sharing your awesome collaborations, speculations, experimentation, techniques, and encouragement! I love to see the different ways things can be approached, it really gets the creative energy flowing! Enjoy the rest of your visit. 😊
It's great to watch two professionals exchange their experiences with materials and tools. This was so encouraging and enlightening. I know now, why I'm sometimes struggling with some of the techniques shown on this channel (I'm from Germany and use the harder type of foam).
Satisfying for you to finally find out the issue wasn't your limitations but the products...good video and I will be checking Gerard's site out as well...tks
I have been upping my build game thanks to your channel but this episode has been so informative. Many thanks to you both for all the content you've created.
This was absolutely incredible. I learned quite a bit from this collaborative discussion. I'd love to see more content like this. Thank you Jeremy and thank you Gerard.
Holy crap! This video was fantastic! Thank you for sharing... Engraving the PVC pipe like that seems almost therapeutic! I'm not building anything physically at the moment but I sure want to try that now...!
Oh cool this is awesome. I live in Germany and it is hard to find the pink foam, but there is lots of this other type of foam. I assumed the only difference was colour, but was worried about working with it. This video was extremely helpful in helping me understand the available material. What a great idea for a video! So often videos in North America are a bit silo'd off from stuff in Europe, and I really like that Jeremy makes an effort for his European fans.
PVC + 20 hours of straight etching with the Dremel, because I have absolutely no ability to just stop in the middle of a dang project, and I'll have my wife and 3 year old wondering if I died in the craft room. Great video, awesome collab!
Hey Jeremy - I just wanted to let you know that my Guider Pro2, Circle cutter, Corner Cutter and Shape Shifter just arrived in Ottawa this morning. Your reviews, and yours and Gerards how tos were central to my choice of a Proxxon and Gerards excellent tools. Thanks again for all your videos and work.
What an awesome video featuring two great personalities talking shop. I feel like I learned so much just listening to both of you. I love this technique and can't wait to give it a shot!
For hard foam, look into exterior insulation foam (EFIS). When I was a stucco plasterer we would coat walls in hard foam blocks that might be usable for you.
That was just fabulous to see the both of you exchanging about foam building... Thank you to the both of you to make it happen! It was a great moment of the channel I think!
Was introduced to Shifting Lands and Gerard through BMC's videos. I purchased items from Gerard and the process was simple and speaking with Gerard about my order was quick, professional and an absolute pleasure. Would definitely buy from Gerard again. Great video as always!
This comparison of foams is probably the best video you made. We really live in different countries, and have different materials. Like me for example. I have never seen pink foam in my life. And thinnest that I can get is 30mm and thickest is 100mm I believe. Great video and very informative!! And Prost to Gerard ;-)
So ive watched this video twice and both times ive ended up on the edge of my chair going, "yeah, yeah, ok, yeah". This is sublime terrain porn. Gerard is great and i love seeing his technique. The way you 2 worked together was "Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers singing "Islands in the Stream" smooth. The whole video is just YESSSSS. Thanks! *turns the video on again*
Awesome! Great to see you guys together finally. Always fun to hang out with Gerard. Such an amazingly talented and open guy. Truly a foam scientist. I like how in depth he does his research.
Dude. This is freaking awesome! I HAVE to try this! I totally made my own guider pro and it works perfectly! I so appreciate the free sharing of his ideas. Loving this type of video!
Fascinating conversation and wonderful insight. So much in such a short amount of time. Very well done and well worth watching. Especially since I am new to the craft!
I have bought Gerard's book and its incredibly detailed with very good descriptions of all the materials and the pictures are very detailed aswel. I got my foamcutter (the famous Proxxon) about a week ago and made my first build (The Ruined Moseleum, page 58). Which can use more practice but all by all a good build, considering I don't have all my tools and equipment yet from Shiftinglands. I only have the pink foam here in Belgium, so It would be great if I knew where to buy the green foam? Thanks in advance and thanks for making this video! Warm greetz, all the way from Belgium. ♥
Although most everything I make is around 1/64 scale, give or take, and usually involves a vehicle of some sort, I have learned so much from you videos. Thank you for sharing your experience and love of the craft with us.
Pink Foamular is a closed-cell XPS (according to Owens Corning), which probably contributes to its greater elasticity. I didn't see it listed on BAMF's data, but the rigidity of Styrodur CS3000's XPS sounds like it's open-cell. As others have suggested, the closest approximation we may have might be some floral foams, but I've found floral foams to shed a lot of crumbs from being perhaps too rigid, just from handling. I'm not sure if there are variations of floral foam that suffer from this problem less.
This video was amazing, and changed the way I think about building. I have all these new ideas running through my head now and I'm so excited about starting new projects! I really wish gerard boom had more stuff online for people to see because his stuff is top notch
It's also made me curious to see how the foam I use here in Japan will differ from the foam when I get home to Canada! I may have to rethink my current techniques and that's oddly inspiring
I ordered some stuff from him amd he was overly awesome, great guy from my interactions Very polite, he missed one of the little resin boats I had ordered so he sent me 2.
Was it just me or did this video have more energy? Seemed like Gerard’s visit was really inspirational to Jeremy and the dynamic was really great between them. Felt like some of that energy was shared while watching this video! All the information seemed to come through loud and clear. Again, it might just be my perception, but this seemed to put some of the old excitement and energy in you Jeremy. Looks good on you👍🏻 Keep up the good work man..... and yeah a marathon build session with you both would be EPIC!
This episode made me so happy! I am extremely new to foam crafting, I came across your channel by chance in June, because I wanted to use blue foam for a sculpture project for my college class, but never used it before. I was absolutely fascinated by the things you could make with this stuff! I am familiar with cardboard, chipboard and foamcore for making traditional architectural models, but I like straight foam crafting WAY better! Over the summer, I wanted to try my hand at a simple foam structure, but I didn’t have the means to get a hot wire cutter and build it up like you do... I had some scratchboard foam sheets from the after school program where I teach and thought maybe I could scratch the texture into it. It actually worked pretty well! I made my base structure out of cardboard and glued the scratchboard wall pieces on top after I textured and painted them. I designed an old brick factory and drew graffiti all over the walls. It’s not perfect, but I was very happy with it and I can’t wait to make my next model! Now I see this foam sheet layering method can really get fancy if you know how to do it! I highly recommend trying foam scratchboard in combination with what you already use, and I’m going to start combining techniques! For example, If you carve a grid of rectangles into the scratchboard and then use modpodge + silver paint, you get some really cool looking metal sheet panels! Thank you both so much for the inspiring and super informative content! I love this channel so much, and I am definitely going to subscribe to the other channel as well! 😄👍🏾
Superb video. Thank you to both of you. The pipe Gerard refers to looks like PVC pipe, not the ABS stuff that Jeremy mentioned. The difference is that the ABS pipe is thinner walled and harder material. The PVC is thick and relatively soft, so easier for carving out.
Yes. As we said he used PVC. I suggested ABS as an alternative because off the shelf it usually is thicker and is softer, so easier to carve. PVC pipe tends to be thinner walled and more brittle.
I'm so very glad that your first idea for a video didn't turn out. This episode is an absolute treasure! Don't get me wrong, I love all of your vids, but seeing two people collaborate in such a way is absolutely wonderful. I've learned so much, and while I don't build anything, I feel like I've gained valuable knowledge for working with other materials--strictly from a problem solving perspective. Thanks to both of you for this!
This is so amazing! I’ve been keeping up with both of you forever and then out of nowhere this happens lol. And they said avengers was the most ambitious crossover smh. I bought a wire cutting from here last year and I haven’t been able to use it much since I’ve moved to a different state. But now that I’m settled I’m gonna be at it again. Keep it up 💜
Great video guys. I know of a product that may be closer to the BASF foam here in the states. It's called fan fold insulation, and comes in pink or blue. The only way it's sold is in big packs and runs about $50. I work at a building supply chain and have tried both this type and the regular foam and the fan fold has way more flex to it. The thicker ridged foam almost has a skin that the fan fold doesn't. Just thought I would put this out there for anyone who wants to try it.
The last evidence of "the beard"....
FAQ:
*“Is the green foam like floral foam?”*
NO! Totally different. Avoid floral foam for crafting at all costs. Terrible stuff that causes rashes and respiratory problems. It’s also way too brittle to hold up as terrain. The pink and green foams shown here are both XPS, just different densities from different manufacturers.
*"What about balsa foam?"*
I have never worked with balsa foam. Looking into it it seems there are varieties available that would probably be ideal for impression carving, however it's not an appropriate material for me as balsa foam can not be machined with hotwire tools which is vital for breaking down material and creating desired thicknesses.
Check out Gerard online
Shop - www.shiftinglands.com
CZcams - czcams.com/users/Shiftinglandsvideos
Workshop Video - czcams.com/video/K6KUqFZYlZ8/video.html
You're getting rid of the beard?
@@SynzTheHobbit he already got rid of it, 5 days ago in fact :P check his posts in the community section of his channel
@@halloweencrab Dear gawd, NOoooo! Never never- beards must aways stay! NOOOoooOOOooo! lol
Black Magic Craft hmmm, I just starten to get used to it...... a bit......
Where's a link to his youtube channel? All I can find is his website.
It was a great experience visiting Black Magic Craft. Had a lot of fun and I did learn a lot about this other type of foam. This visit Inspired me also for 2 more project that might be used within the book we are currently making. Working hard on new scenery, developing new stuff and if Jeremy is ok with it I will visit BMC again in 2020.
Thanks for the awesome video. Any suggestions on the best place to get foam here in the Netherlands?
@@mrDigitalis Oh yeah I'd love to know that as well. I'm always short.
@@mrDigitalis Modelbouwenzo.nl heeft blauwe foam. Die werkt best goed voor mij. het heeft ook witte foam maar die heb ik nog nooit gebruikt. Ik raad je aan om een aantal platen te halen. het lijkt duur maar je kan er super veel mee maken.
In the Netherlands Pontmeyer has the green BASF stuff Gerard is talking about. You can get as much or as little as you like here, no need to buy 10 sheets. :)
@@MichielvanM Awesome, thanks!
I don't even build stuff. I've never even played D&D or any other table top game. Why am I so glued to my screen?
facts.. I'm into cars, never done any of this stuff and I keep coming back to this.. something about it starting from nothing and it becomes amazing is just mmmmmmh
Title: Two men talk about foam
I have learned more from this today than I have from school over the past week!
Amazing video, keep crafting!
Between two foams?
@@NotAnIlluminatiSpy HA! Brilliant.
Always nice to see Gerad in a video talking about foam. and then a video of 2 mastercrafters… what else could be better?
Videos with Gerard are always awesome. He is such a nice guy
Operation Mad Dog thank you kindly sir!
I love how this community is so open and generous with knowledge and expertise. Gerard Boom flew half-way around the world to make tiny things and talk about foam. How does it get better than that? :)
Great to see a Dutch and Canadian guy come together and talk foam and building options. I'm a Dutch Canadian and learning from those who have done it before. Following both channels now.
Man, there is something really incredible and almost beautiful about 2 people with a ton of knowledge and passion for something, who developed those skills independently, sharing with one another. You can hear it when one describes something and the other just immediately understands, I imagine that doesn't happen too often when you're the expert everybody else looks too for information.
It would be amazing if the whole world was able to communicate like this all the time, about everything. It's quite special.
Wow, this guy knows his stuff. Enjoyable to hear two artisans discussing the differences and similarities between techniques, and how that affects your personal style.
Wow. Two accomplished, expert craftsmen discussing completely different approaches to the same problem.
Wonderful video. Definitely one of the best of this kind. I hope it was as fulfilling for you to experience as it was for me to watch!
Borden Fleetwood it absolutely was! Now I want to move to Canada! Unfortunately the general does not agree.
An extraordinary video with which you learn a lot of concepts and techniques. This is what happens in a meeting of teachers who exchange ideas and points of view. Thanks for the video. I hope there are more of this type. 👍😉
Those rollers seem like a good thing to 3D print. Cool video.
www.thingiverse.com/Sparrow1707/collections/texture-rollers
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3856618
Its really cool to see the different ways everyone approaches your type of foam. Although I use a different type of foam than both of you I can appreciate the work you do on your side a bit more now that I can see its not as easy to carve as Gerald's. Of course I can't use those tools at all on EVA but have to depend on an exacto knife, or other methods with heat to give all my texturing. Sometimes, I wish I could just draw out my textures with a pencil and call it a day but I'm apparently too suborn. I'll leave the hard foams to your mastery.
Also those rollers are very neat!
This was a seriously sweet vid! I would like it if you 2 just did a 24 hour marathon build session! That's not an unreasonable request, right? RIGHT?! lol
Penny Van well, I am up for it!
"If you don't want to pay for it, build it yourself!" Such a great attitude. After all, if we just wanted to buy everything, there are lovely resin kits on the market. Making something your own is half the fun. Great video, many thanks to Gerard.
I'm with you. I often see those resin buildings you can buy online and think "Wow, if I had the money they would be awesome to have on the table". But then the crafter in me thinks "Why would I want a building that is going to look exactly the same as the next person that buys it?".
kallisto 91 I think it is only fair and logical to building stuff for your own if you want to do so. That is why I also explained how people can make there own cylinders.
The reason I don't go for the resin kits is they are often cast in 'floor plus walls' and that makes manipulation of interior minis a pain. Also, most are too expensive, and my time is cheap.
Wow!! Chaos and Order in one place at the same time? Speechless!
Surprisingly accurate
Gerard Boom is on every CZcams Channel I follow 😉
He is the master of foam! Watch, listen and learn!
Greetings from Austria.
This makes so much sense regarding foam tutorials and why some things worked easier or better for me in Europe!
Gerard is awesome. I love all of my shifting land jigs. It’s awesome to see you two in a video!
kingbrunies well it was realy a fun thing to do! Hop to do this again Some day.
One of your best videos yet. Actually changed my mind on Gerard style with our type of foam.
Mit jedem Video von Gerard, lerne ich wieder was neues, super weiter so.... With each video of Gerard I learn new stuff, I love it go on..
That was fascinating! Watching two masters discuss their craft, and seeing how different the styles can be. I would love to try out some of that green foam. I wonder if there are any specialty suppliers here in North America.
I will be looking into that for myself and will of course let everyone know if I find one.
Wil Sisney with more people seriously tracking down the foam in North Amerika I sincerely hope you will find it there. On the other hand, it took me an your to get used to the pink foam. And I am quitte pleased with the result.
I found BASF's distributor list; unfortunately they don't show any place outside Europe: www.styrodur.com/portal/basf/en/dt.jsp?setCursor=1_1224563
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial www.generalplastics.com, but I have no clue what the cost is, but they have some COOOL foam. They are in Tacoma, Washington USA Their FR-7100 series, "Uniform foam is easily finished or painted for low-cost core applications, hand-carved models, prototypes, CNC-machined topographical maps, composite layup tools, industrial patterns."
@@ShionWinkler I live near Tacoma! If this place has a store front, I'll go check it out! Thanks for sharing!
I love when hobbiest meet like this like all my favorite episodes of tested is Adam talking to other makers I love this kind of content
Dude, the amount of *additional knowledge aquired* in this video is amazing!
I've been working with foam for a very long time. I too have long believed that the green foam was different based on the results I'd seen and the results I had mirroring the techniques seen.
I feel so vindicated now that a trusted direct comparison has been made and a difference being seen. Thanks for that tid bit of info.
Great video again. Yet another perspective on building and how things differ depending upon where you live.
It is all about versatility and adaptation to the materials and techniques. Glad you had the visit. Both great
teachers. thank you once more
This is going to get lost in the 208 comments but here it goes - In the hovercraft groups there were a couple of foams used. The main was the pink/blue. It was used for flotation because it was closed cell, a safety requirement in case the hovercraft stopped hovering. The foam wouldn't suck up water and sink.
There were yellow and green foams that were used above the water line because they were open cell. The yellow was a urethane based foam and could be worked using wood tools. A big but - The dust and hotwire smoke was really toxic!!. The green stuff a little softer and was a special order from Menards but Home Depot had it in stock at some stores. This was 10 years.
Love the videos. Thanks for making them. Really, thanks.
Man... This discussion about techniques used by builders...wood X foam for example, no doubt this is THE next step! Please do more!
What a Master class. Great video. Great people. Great build.
Bless you Jeremy for bringing Gerard into your shop for such an in-depth collab workshop!! To see Gerard use our materials and get his insights---so good!!! Please make more of this!!! ❤️
Stumbled upon this video and these very interesting building techniques while searching videos of proxxon tools.
Thanks!!!! While I build scale balsa "flying" airplane models, it hurts when they crash, and getting into wooden sailing ship modeling....
A new world opened, plus more tools to buy, which I like.
I'm almost 60 and close to retirement and I could see building a wall of medical structures as part of my shop space.
Thanks fellas for opening up that door.......
Steve Probelski
There's always something new to learn and this is good food for thought. That said GB is doing really a great job with his shop and I've become now one of his customers as with his tools and accessories it's always a great deal of fun.
Highly educational discussion. Loved it
This was amazing to see just a day after I was all over his website (thanks to you!). The shipping cost is what kept me from pulling the trigger, but after seeing how awesome this guy is I can't help but support his work. This video is a game changer for sure. Keep up the great work!
Honestly, the shipping fees weren't that bad. Mine were only about 25 dollars US which is actually pretty reasonable considering what we're receiving and where they're coming from.
Roxanne, where did you order it from?
I went to one of Gerards courses, and it was great! He is a master.
Thank you, Vancouver Island here! Thank you for: Two men talking Foam. Ive been using all kinds of recycled packaging foams as well as stuff Ive tried to buy. This was amazing to hear about the differences in foam elasticity and memory. Love to learn from you!
I started working in terrain building with xps foam a couple of years ago, and since then i've bought in different colours, sizes and forms, but it was always the same foam (im from Spain so it is the German one). I have never known why it was absolutely different the way the xps foam behaves with the same techniques that you or other similar channels of the US use, and since then I have looked for information that helps me identify the problem and the differences between the european and the US foam. This is EXACTLY what I needed without knowing it so thank you guys, this is a real treasure for me hahahaha.
BTW still waiting the day I can have one of those pink foam layers in my hands
Jeremy, one of the best, most informative and pleasurable video's you've uploaded. Keep up the great work.
Great video Gerard is the MASTER.
Aww man, I have been looking forward to this episode! I recently purchased an assortment of goodies from Gerard (Thank you again sir btw for the extras!) and we had a few back and forth correspondences where he mentioned in the DL he was going to visit you.
I hope y'all were able to squeeze in another episode before he returned to Europe, I'd have loved to see more of how he uses his templates and more complicated tools!
Found your channel the other day and wanted to try some of the builds. Being a tile installer, I work with a foam board called Kerdi board to build shower walls, etc. I always have remnants left over and thought I'd experiment. It's made by Shluter, a German company, so I figure it's close to the same foam Gerard is using. It does have a waterproof fabric layer that I had to peel off first, but no biggie. It worked amazingly for everything I created! I used a pen for my brick and wood designs and it took hardly any effort to imprint the designs. You can purchase it from Home Depot....but it's pretty expensive, ( usually $100 for a 4'x8' sheet of half inch.) It comes in 1/4 inch, 1/2, and 2 inch thickness. Now I have an infinite supply of free remnants to craft amazing settings for D&D, war games...anything. Shluter also makes an adhesive that fits a caulk gun called Kerdi fix. It's made specifically to attach the foam board together...and let me tell you, It's strong stuff! I use it in construction in the place of Liquid Nails. Just thought I'd chime in and tell you thanks for the ideas. Keep up the good work!
I’m an ex contractor that did high end renovations (before CZcams). I’ve done MANY Schluter based shower installs (actually specialized in barrier free showers) so I know Kerdi board very well 🙂
I actually never bothered using it for crafting though, and thinking about it, it’s a good option if you have cut offs. Way too expensive vs XPS to buy just for crafting though.
Cheers!
Wonderful! Thank you both so very much.
Perfect Video with two of the best foam artists
Hey man. Here, Quebec City, I found out Home Depot has some Yellow/Beige foam, 2'' thick that is harder/Denser and even a bit heavier and has the same features as the green Euro Foam. Check it out. it's not on the Store floor, it's in the back and more for renovation dudes than for us average Joes. A bud who was re doing the underside of his Chalet told me he kept some Foam for me. And I was glad to see this new thing ! Hard Awesome Foam. Now I can't go without it. Check it out. I hope you see this !
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Jeremy... You just blew my mind.
There are a lot of craters using foam, and a lot of videos about foam crafting. Honestly I think this is the first video ever I have seen where one goes into details between different kinds of foam. Very informative! And I think people meeting from different parts of the world like this is helping foam crafters everywhere.
BMC hosts a master class. Unreal. Onwards and upwards man!
WOW !!!! and I just bought a Proxxon a few months back. Nice video, I hope there are 5 more of these in the 'can'.
"They come with the most insane questions."
As a teacher, I felt that.
menecio LOL!
Wow, this was a master class from two experts in their particular materials. Just listening to the two of you was so helpful. I plan to watch this again when I am at my work desk so I can try some of the things you talked about. Thanks.
Well one thing I can say for sure is that there are some very high density foams in germany. We wrap the insulation all around the house from every direction . So basically the foundation of my basement and (therefore my entire house) is a layer of foam.
So I am sure this type of foam cannot have any give and must be very resistant to pressure since my house is standing on it.
P.S.: Great video. Awesome seeing two of my craft idols in one video.
Hey, greetings, great news. the book will be the hammer. And I'm looking forward to the workshop with Boom in february in koblenz
This vid is extremely inspirational! Thanks fellas! I have been trying to figure out how to make my own texture roller--DUDE!! It IS ON NOW! Thank you soooo much!
What an amazing idea to have an amazing artist as a guest. This became one of my favorite videos about terrain crafting. I hope you bring more guests in future videos.
Gerard's skill is insane and this video made me want to try his style. The rolls seem to be insanely useful and I like that the texture on them is deep. As expected the result is incredible.
Loved the video! Thank you both for sharing your awesome collaborations, speculations, experimentation, techniques, and encouragement! I love to see the different ways things can be approached, it really gets the creative energy flowing! Enjoy the rest of your visit. 😊
It's great to watch two professionals exchange their experiences with materials and tools. This was so encouraging and enlightening. I know now, why I'm sometimes struggling with some of the techniques shown on this channel (I'm from Germany and use the harder type of foam).
Satisfying for you to finally find out the issue wasn't your limitations but the products...good video and I will be checking Gerard's site out as well...tks
I have been upping my build game thanks to your channel but this episode has been so informative. Many thanks to you both for all the content you've created.
This was absolutely incredible. I learned quite a bit from this collaborative discussion. I'd love to see more content like this. Thank you Jeremy and thank you Gerard.
This is great. Please do more. Comparing work, exchanging methods and discussing materials, make this so interesting. Great episode.
Maurine Starkey I hope to meet up with Jeremy again.....
Holy crap! This video was fantastic! Thank you for sharing...
Engraving the PVC pipe like that seems almost therapeutic! I'm not building anything physically at the moment but I sure want to try that now...!
Nelson Baietti that is great! Go for it!
Oh cool this is awesome. I live in Germany and it is hard to find the pink foam, but there is lots of this other type of foam. I assumed the only difference was colour, but was worried about working with it. This video was extremely helpful in helping me understand the available material. What a great idea for a video! So often videos in North America are a bit silo'd off from stuff in Europe, and I really like that Jeremy makes an effort for his European fans.
John Kennedy totally agree on that!
This is one of the most informative videos you have ever produced and I loved it. Thanks, Jeremy!
PVC + 20 hours of straight etching with the Dremel, because I have absolutely no ability to just stop in the middle of a dang project, and I'll have my wife and 3 year old wondering if I died in the craft room. Great video, awesome collab!
Hey Jeremy - I just wanted to let you know that my Guider Pro2, Circle cutter, Corner Cutter and Shape Shifter just arrived in Ottawa this morning. Your reviews, and yours and Gerards how tos were central to my choice of a Proxxon and Gerards excellent tools. Thanks again for all your videos and work.
What an awesome video featuring two great personalities talking shop. I feel like I learned so much just listening to both of you. I love this technique and can't wait to give it a shot!
For hard foam, look into exterior insulation foam (EFIS). When I was a stucco plasterer we would coat walls in hard foam blocks that might be usable for you.
That was just fabulous to see the both of you exchanging about foam building... Thank you to the both of you to make it happen! It was a great moment of the channel I think!
Was introduced to Shifting Lands and Gerard through BMC's videos. I purchased items from Gerard and the process was simple and speaking with Gerard about my order was quick, professional and an absolute pleasure. Would definitely buy from Gerard again. Great video as always!
Brad thanks a lot, verry kind of you.
Very cool to watch you both discuss the differences in styles and materials
This comparison of foams is probably the best video you made. We really live in different countries, and have different materials. Like me for example. I have never seen pink foam in my life. And thinnest that I can get is 30mm and thickest is 100mm I believe.
Great video and very informative!! And Prost to Gerard ;-)
Janne Heikkinen the thicker foam you can get the better!
I’ve recently discovered your channel, now I discover this video... excellent, very instructive! 👍🏻👍🏻
So ive watched this video twice and both times ive ended up on the edge of my chair going, "yeah, yeah, ok, yeah". This is sublime terrain porn. Gerard is great and i love seeing his technique. The way you 2 worked together was "Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers singing "Islands in the Stream" smooth. The whole video is just YESSSSS. Thanks! *turns the video on again*
Awesome! Great to see you guys together finally.
Always fun to hang out with Gerard. Such an amazingly talented and open guy.
Truly a foam scientist. I like how in depth he does his research.
I've haven't worked with foam yet, but I was already enthralled and fascinated within the first 5 minutes. Another great video!
Dude. This is freaking awesome! I HAVE to try this! I totally made my own guider pro and it works perfectly! I so appreciate the free sharing of his ideas. Loving this type of video!
Fascinating conversation and wonderful insight. So much in such a short amount of time. Very well done and well worth watching. Especially since I am new to the craft!
So awesome! Learned so much !!! Thank you both.
I have bought Gerard's book and its incredibly detailed with very good descriptions of all the materials and the pictures are very detailed aswel. I got my foamcutter (the famous Proxxon) about a week ago and made my first build (The Ruined Moseleum, page 58). Which can use more practice but all by all a good build, considering I don't have all my tools and equipment yet from Shiftinglands. I only have the pink foam here in Belgium, so It would be great if I knew where to buy the green foam? Thanks in advance and thanks for making this video! Warm greetz, all the way from Belgium. ♥
Although most everything I make is around 1/64 scale, give or take, and usually involves a vehicle of some sort, I have learned so much from you videos. Thank you for sharing your experience and love of the craft with us.
Exactly! I've noticed the same thing with Bards Craft. Very different foam. Thanks for showing how versatile our XPF can be!!!
Pink Foamular is a closed-cell XPS (according to Owens Corning), which probably contributes to its greater elasticity. I didn't see it listed on BAMF's data, but the rigidity of Styrodur CS3000's XPS sounds like it's open-cell. As others have suggested, the closest approximation we may have might be some floral foams, but I've found floral foams to shed a lot of crumbs from being perhaps too rigid, just from handling. I'm not sure if there are variations of floral foam that suffer from this problem less.
Avoid floral foam for crafting at all costs. Terrible stuff that causes rashes and respiratory problems. It’s also way too soft to hold up as terrain.
I absolutely LOVE this episode!!! One of my favs for sure!
AWESOME VIDEO! it was really cool to see two makers discuss there methods
That's the short of videos I'm looking for! Great job.
This video was amazing, and changed the way I think about building. I have all these new ideas running through my head now and I'm so excited about starting new projects! I really wish gerard boom had more stuff online for people to see because his stuff is top notch
It's also made me curious to see how the foam I use here in Japan will differ from the foam when I get home to Canada! I may have to rethink my current techniques and that's oddly inspiring
Best video of the year man. You should have Gerard on more often.
This answered so many questions I've had over the last couple of years! Great Video.
His technique is a lot like leather stamping in that he creates bevels and textures in the surface of the foam! Nice!!!!
I ordered some stuff from him amd he was overly awesome, great guy from my interactions
Very polite, he missed one of the little resin boats I had ordered so he sent me 2.
Absolute eye opener about different foams and how to work with them! 👍
This man is obviously a wizard. Just amazing.
Was it just me or did this video have more energy? Seemed like Gerard’s visit was really inspirational to Jeremy and the dynamic was really great between them. Felt like some of that energy was shared while watching this video! All the information seemed to come through loud and clear. Again, it might just be my perception, but this seemed to put some of the old excitement and energy in you Jeremy. Looks good on you👍🏻 Keep up the good work man..... and yeah a marathon build session with you both would be EPIC!
That's because he is talking to a human being instead of a camera lenz. LOL
jlruss9777 I am in! Always happy to build stuff
This episode made me so happy! I am extremely new to foam crafting, I came across your channel by chance in June, because I wanted to use blue foam for a sculpture project for my college class, but never used it before. I was absolutely fascinated by the things you could make with this stuff! I am familiar with cardboard, chipboard and foamcore for making traditional architectural models, but I like straight foam crafting WAY better!
Over the summer, I wanted to try my hand at a simple foam structure, but I didn’t have the means to get a hot wire cutter and build it up like you do... I had some scratchboard foam sheets from the after school program where I teach and thought maybe I could scratch the texture into it. It actually worked pretty well! I made my base structure out of cardboard and glued the scratchboard wall pieces on top after I textured and painted them. I designed an old brick factory and drew graffiti all over the walls. It’s not perfect, but I was very happy with it and I can’t wait to make my next model! Now I see this foam sheet layering method can really get fancy if you know how to do it!
I highly recommend trying foam scratchboard in combination with what you already use, and I’m going to start combining techniques! For example, If you carve a grid of rectangles into the scratchboard and then use modpodge + silver paint, you get some really cool looking metal sheet panels! Thank you both so much for the inspiring and super informative content! I love this channel so much, and I am definitely going to subscribe to the other channel as well! 😄👍🏾
Superb video. Thank you to both of you. The pipe Gerard refers to looks like PVC pipe, not the ABS stuff that Jeremy mentioned. The difference is that the ABS pipe is thinner walled and harder material. The PVC is thick and relatively soft, so easier for carving out.
Yes. As we said he used PVC. I suggested ABS as an alternative because off the shelf it usually is thicker and is softer, so easier to carve. PVC pipe tends to be thinner walled and more brittle.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial I think you will find it is the other way round! I have used both for plumbing...
I'm so very glad that your first idea for a video didn't turn out. This episode is an absolute treasure! Don't get me wrong, I love all of your vids, but seeing two people collaborate in such a way is absolutely wonderful. I've learned so much, and while I don't build anything, I feel like I've gained valuable knowledge for working with other materials--strictly from a problem solving perspective. Thanks to both of you for this!
This is so amazing! I’ve been keeping up with both of you forever and then out of nowhere this happens lol. And they said avengers was the most ambitious crossover smh. I bought a wire cutting from here last year and I haven’t been able to use it much since I’ve moved to a different state. But now that I’m settled I’m gonna be at it again. Keep it up 💜
iron sharpens iron. BMC is probably going to become slightly more advanced after this. :D
Great video guys. I know of a product that may be closer to the BASF foam here in the states. It's called fan fold insulation, and comes in pink or blue. The only way it's sold is in big packs and runs about $50. I work at a building supply chain and have tried both this type and the regular foam and the fan fold has way more flex to it. The thicker ridged foam almost has a skin that the fan fold doesn't. Just thought I would put this out there for anyone who wants to try it.