We Were WRONG All The Time!!! - The Truth About Flying Coneys History
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- We just learned a lot about Flying Coneys history. And it turns out pretty much everything we told you until now was wrong 😉
So let’s find out more about the true history of our 82 ft Trawler.
Which parts are still from her fishing time?
How was her sailing performance?
Why was she converted into a motorsailer?
And what impact does all that have on this restoration project?
Flying Coney is an 82ft long historic steel ship. And we bring her back to live as the beautiful sailing ship she once was. When we are done with the refit we want to sail the ocean together with you and teach traditional sailing skills.
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Sailing ship Ran (Flying Coney): Josje and Antony
Thank you Josje and Antony for this lovely afternoon and all the amazing stories you shared with us. We are proud that we are now responsible for your ship and it’s great to have the possibility to bring her back to her former glory.
Please help these fine people and give them a like, is takes no time! :)
Thank you Barbara and Daniel for this update, and thank you very much Jan for your hard work repairing and restoring the old pump to help Flying Coney live longer on the seas.
It was lovely to hear all the old history about her and the reasons behind her various changes, to me (and no doubt yourselves) this means that you can proceed with your plans without any worry about ruining her heritage as she was a constantly evolving boat throughout her life and will continue to be so under your stewardship.
Wishing you both all the very best as you go forward with calm seas and following winds
nice footage of the pump getting made new again. 2x👍
You guys are brilliant. Blue skies and gentle seas. Cheers
Thank you very much!
Getting the details of Coney's history is great. Such an interesting ship
What a nice update on Flying Coney's history. Fantastic to get the background on the parts of American origin. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Hi Guy's, It is really good to see people who have some knowledge come out to help you. Your ship is looking good so far.
What a wonderful community you are building. Expert supporters who can rebuild pumps and contact from previous owners with such great historical information. This is just great.
Can't wait to see the sales on flying Coney and paint blue that's going to be an awesome sight!
Very good, thanks. Start a log book with dates and data so your grandchildren will know the ship's life and refits. Take care.
What a strong looking pump. I thought it was trash when I saw inside it. What a talented man to recognize the potential, and refurbish this unit
You people are very charming. God Bless you both!!!
Isn't history exciting and interesting. You both are part of a living history project. It's not just a ship it's part of us all, it one way or another. Great video!!
I've only recently gained an interest in sailing and I must say, it's a beautiful thing to see how so many people can come together to see a project like this become a reality. Thank you for sharing your journey and being a point for people to come together.
The whole purpose of this undertaking is to bring people together and teach the needed skills to sail and to run a sailing ship. This knowledge would otherwise be lost quite soon.
You have a great group of supporters with fantastic tech skills. The vessel has great character keep her going.
Very good episode, thanks!
Glad you've enjoyed it. Talk heavy subjects are always a bit more difficult to get right. But we learned so much about Flying Coneys history that we had to tell this stories.
Wow, so good to hear the story of the ship! It would be great to hear the stories on camera. Hope Josje and Antony are willing to do that some day. Btw, I say more often that "Ships choose their owner". I think Flying Coney and RAN did very well!
14kn on sail is really surprising, getting more and more exited
Great episode! I am refurbishing a 93 ft steel vessel, Watching your jpourney gives me some confidence that the many obstacles can be overcome. Thanks
I like these viewer support stories and experience sharing a lot - really great pump restauration !
fantastic job from Dirk-Jan! that pump should be going strong for another 60years.
An amazing ship with an equally amazing history!
14 knots, wow...
Wonderful and fascinating history! It is great to know that it will change for current needs and improvements making it an unique and evolving 'historic ship'. Love your approach to the history of the ship and look forward to its new adventures which become its continuing history.
You have done very well. I think this ship was waiting for you. All the work done before has made her a great ship. All the work you are doing is making the Flying Coney even better.
Boris, Esme & Lincoln are your furry kids! Take care 👍👏😀
funny how things aren't what we think they are.... fascinating history, so glad you are able to spend time with the previous owners and learn so much!
Cannot wait for the day to see the old girl under sail ! It will be so grand.
Nice work with the pump. I like a good restoration.
Well might not be the story you have been telling, but the new one is still pretty interesting. Great job on the pump. It's probably better than new.
Flying Coney and the both of you were waiting for each other, the future is bright for this wonderful vessel, calm seas and wonderful sunsets to you both, thanks for the update from the UK
Thank you very much. Flying Coney was indeed for sale for two years before we bought her. The same two years we went on boat search. But for the whole time we thought (and still think) that 25 Meter is too big. But just so that we can say, we considered every option, we visited the boat. We immediately fell in love and the rest is well documented here on CZcams.
I recently found out about your channel. Since you'll be moving the wheelhouse and lowering the aft cabin, consider having large engine room components rebuilt or remanufactured. I'm not saying those components need it, but once you start adding structure back over the engine room, that little hatch may be your only way to get things in or out.
Hi, i enjoyed your very interesting story of your ship and look forward to oncoming videos regarding her future.I love your choice of finger picking music,lovely.Cheers,Roly🇬🇧.
You are correct. The ship has undergone many changes and can not be returned to original. Do what ever changes you want and don't worry what people think or say.
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Always interesting to know more about the history of a boat! It adds to and explains the boat's personality!😊
Take good care. Cheers from Guam! 🇬🇺
We spent ours looking at details of the boat and tried to make sense out of what we saw. Now we know it instead of constant guessing.
This ship will live for ever because it’s full of history.
I found the certificate of registry (meetbrief) of the KW 34 "Tiny" online. It states, built by De Haas, Maassluis, meetbrief number 8318, registered as new vessel january 2, 1951. 150 hp Deutz diesel. As a comment it says: "this was a wooden voorpostenboot, from which only the metal frames have survived, from which a new steel vessel was built.
Exactly. The long term owner beliefe that the KFK (Voorpostenboot) was built 1941 in Enkhuizen. The Deutz 150hp engine is probably also from this time. It's probably the reason why they altered the shape of the bow. If I recall correctly after 2 years the De Industrie came in.
@@FlyingConey The Meetbrief also states, first owners were Dirk Zwitser and Nicolaas van Duijn of Katwijk. Zwitser (1918-1976) was a blacksmith and machinebuilder who had a company repairing ships and installing ships engines and installations. My guess; Zwitser bought the steel remains of the voorpostenboot cheaply, moved it to Katwijk and finished the build there. Also; Katwijk and Alphen (seat of Industrie engines) are 25 km apart, connected by the river Oude Rijn (Old Rhine). Maybe the old Deutz was German war surplus and perhaps not reliable. During the war, Deutz built their engines with forced labour and sabotage was everywhere. That would explain the quick demise of the Deutz, and the fact Zwitser did not repair the engine himself. Zwitser might have had connections at Industrie, providing him with an engine amidst the material shortages during the post war period.
Later, the KW-34 was sold to my hometown Scheveningen and became SCH-10 'Leendert", owned by L. Klein en Zonen. One of the sons Klein is still alive, and a friend of my father. I'll ask him for memories next time i see him.
It would be amazing to hear more stories of her fishing time. From what I've heard it was a good boat with the De Industrie engine. So please contact us again when you met Mr Klein again. The Deutz engine is described as crude oil (ruwe olie) engine with 150pk at 300rpm. It could very well be that the engine is from the KFK time. 150pk is not particularly strong so I guess as soon as Dirk Zwitser got hold of the engine of the SCH201 Sigurda he fitted it into his boat. Just out of curiosity, why was ABC an inferior brand? I once had a look at the SCH11 DeHoop and that engine was nice.
Hi guys, just wanted to say how cool the history of the boat parts was/is. Being a kiwi living in Australia we don't come across alot of war history from the german perspective so was pretty cool to learn that the Americans have been leaving their crap behind all over the world for many years. Lol.
Exciting news for all of us , thanks for sharing . You keep filming and we watch.❤
Very interesting. You must be so happy to have learnt all this and proud to be the ones writing the new stories on the blank pages of the Flying Coney story and adventures book.
Wonderful discoveries. What a life the Coney has lived!
Loved this episode! So interesting and it is an example of how all history is complicated. Flying Coney reused and recycled before it was thing!
Thanks for sharing. Who would have suspected such a complex history. Amazing.
From what I say, your forward cabin space, here, everything below deck forward of the wheelhouse, included two steep ladders with no handrails. First, I think you should add handrails. Second, consider raising that space a little so it extends above the main deck. That would shorten those ladders. It'd also allow for storage below the sole for things like spare parts.
I enjoy your videos, and watching the progress. I spent some time in the U.S. Navy and I believe our minesweepers were all wooden hulls for obvious reasons. Keep up the good work.
Flying Coney also started her life as a wooden boat with steel frames but was converted in 1950 and the wooden planks were replaced with steel plates. This type of boat was also used for minesweeping especially after the war.
Wow the history before was long and complex now its doubled the old girls credibility and your faith in restoring her. Thank you both for the good work you guys are doing. Good luck with the work coming up.
Great video guys. It explained a lot about the practicality of these do-anything ships. 14 knots would be a heck of a ride in one of these ships.
Such an exciting and interesting history .I am so happy you were able to finally learn so much about her .A long and varied past and now it will continue well into the future .New adventures new stories .And why is this? because two people with a dream saw something in her that no one else could .Thank you Josje and Anthony for sharing her past .with Barbara and Danial so that we may all know it also .you are now not just previous owners but are now part of her past and history as she is once again refitted into a roll that will carry her well into the future Thank you .
Thanks for the history & My what a beautiful pump it is now !!
G'day Crew,
This was a very interesting episode, it's great to find out more of the boats history,it really has gone through many changes over the years .
Looking forward to the next vid from you guys .
Respect....!
Thank you for another great video! Love them all. Best of luck!
Nice video.
So Flying Coney was originally totally different. In other words, she is original, because she was built different, Now that is definitely Original. You both should be proud of her. I think she is a gorgeous boat, I can't wait to see her when you two are ready to sail her, she is going to look Beautiful with all her sails out.
This was a very interesting history of Flying Coney.
Crazy project, I can’t even imagine how much work that will be…never mind the huge cost.
fair winds to you both
Dear Barbara and Daniël,
It’s really a very interesting story about the history of Flying Coney and WIlleke as well as me are convinced that you both will succeed in bringing Flying Coney back to a beautiful sailing tall ship. We therefore look forward to your next vlog and send you love
I think it would be a really good idea to have 2 generators. In practice one generator could be used for one area(s) of the ship while the other could be used for another area(s). Being out on a travel trip, generators could also act as a backup for each other. Power is vital so you don't want to be without it. Your main engine looks to be great, and a little extra capacity is always a good thing to have. All the best to you both, and I hope things keep progressing in a positive way. Cheers!
Yes that's kind of the idea at the moment. The smaller generator is a one phase, 230 volt only generator. That's great for exactly this purpose. It would be nice to build a multi purpose auxiliary engine out of it. With an hydraulic pump, a water-pump and a 3 phase alternator attached to it with an electronic clutch to select what's needed.
@@FlyingConeyI do agree that the small genset might be your workhorse, simple and probably quite efficient. The idea of a 2nd multi purpose aux engine is loveley, you could couple whatever needed, watermaker pumps, holding plate compressors, hydraulics, you name it... on the other hand, wouldn´t it be wise to give it a thought about redundancy? if you install all the before electrically driven, and add another, rebuild 0- hours fuel efficient and silent genset and add a dedicated alternator to the Main engine, you could drive whatever equipment by whatever source by means of electricity, instead of having it coupled to only one drive... it is fairly cheap and easy to run cables, more so, if you intend to add solar, wind and else as alternative energy on the long run. I believe, the waterpumps resiliency speaks for itself!!! By the way, absolutely loveley, the uncovering of Flying Coney along the way... a real peace of history, thanks for sharing.
Well, I am not an expert but you should be able to put the generator's output through a power converter (or perhaps transformer). There could be some slight reduction in power in the process, but would likely be insignificant. See if there is a electrical supply store near you that could help you with the problem. @@FlyingConey
Hi Robert, I don't think there's a problem with the alternator. But I myself have not the knowledge to trouble shout a DIY generator from 50 years ago. The alternator part is probably way older. If you're looking at modern alternators they are about one third of the size. One thing I can say for sure is that all the electric isn't up to code. Back in the days that wasn't a huge problem because there wasn't much need for electricity. Nowadays a faulty electric can be catastrophic because of the high power consumption.
Wonderful historical explanation of Flying Coney.
I love it!
Thanks!
Awesome! Great job on the pump and I agree the history is very interesting ♥
great up date for soaring Rabbit
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This is a really cool update. I'm so happy that your plans to make Flying Coney into what you want are really in keeping with the spirit of this boat. Best wishes!
Awesome history export guys, you are both the new owners of Flying Coney but also the guardians of her new future on the seas, she is in good hands. Absolutely huge shout out for Jan restoring that pump, excellent job and a huge help for these guys. Great video as always
Excellent video. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.
loved the video very interesting to watch thankyou for sharing such wonderful news and good news about the pump
Meeting the couple who run the ship as a sailing ship really was a game changer for us. So many things make sense now and they're also such a nice couple. We're really glad that we can add a few chapters in the book of Flying Coney and we also know much more about the previous ones.
Way cool information. What an amazing history.
I see that you two have e taken on one of the one of the best challenges of recent memory, But I see now you are going to make it in style. Keep going Barbara And Dan, you going to make it and enjoy it. By the way, do you need a sail Hand? I am 74 years old, healthy computer savvy and willing.
A VERY interesting history on Flying Coney
Great episode, very interesting, Your ship keeps developing more personality.
Fascinating history. Thank you for the update.
Hi Barbara & Daniel, I found your channel a couple of weeks ago and have since binge watched everything, what a great project you are undertaking and I have enjoyed watching the content you bring, looking forward to more to come :)
Welcome aboard! Binge watching is the nicest compliment you can give any creator. Thank you!
Wow! What a fantastic episode. Such a history!!
What an awesome episode, the new information is pretty cool as well.
That is great that you were able to get the history of your wonderful ship. It is all very interesting and I love watching your efforts in restoring it. Ed C
Another interesting episode
Fascinating, thank you for the story.
lots of interesting stories in nearly every corner of that ship 👍 fascinating ! that big generator was really only used for welding? i am working in a place where the theme "redundancy" is at a very high level so my thinking is: repair/restore that thing put some sort of modern electronics inverter or anything like that on it and use it as a backup power generating unit. of course you can have a new modern one too but that preserves the touch of history. that's my idea but i am far away from the ocean . . .
Back then real generators were extremely expensive. So the previous owner built one himself. The alternator part is a so called welding generator (Schweißgenerator). It was not only used for welding but also as a normal 3 phase generator (That's the DIY part about it) So I believe it can be used directly for welding or also for powering electric equipment. The original engine for that Frankenstein thing was an air cooled Deutz. I've no idea if the electricity is clean enough to be used with modern equipment. It was good enough for the water pump, that's for sure. Our idea is to build a multi purpose auxiliary engine. Strong hydraulic pump, belt driven water pump, 3 phase generator and so on. But the level of redundancy we have is already quite insane.
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so that thing has multiple winding systems inside? so if it is dry and the collector and carbons looks good give it a try. the power quality can measured today very easy. it depends on the state of the collector rings & carbons and the speed regulation for the engine. today you can buy modern units they can control these old motors and generator very good.
there is another yt-channel "SmallEngineMechanic" the owner of this channel knows a lot about older engines, generator. he show some projects on his channel where he refits old gensets with modern type governors and control panels
Your best video so far!
Great video
Nice rebuild of the pump
very interesting history, great video
Great video guys! A lot of awesome history. I'm always excited to see what you guys are up to!!
Fascinating, thank you so much.
Do you have info about the wood to steel conversion process? Did the original wood ship have a steel frame? Fascinating stuff
Yes, the type of warship is called Kriegsfischkutter or KFK. These boats were built using steel frames and stringers and were planked with wood. Compared to a steel boats our frames are the other way around and the brand name KRUPP on them. So the steel is German. In the steel boat conversion the removed the planks and altered the first frames slightly to get a different bow. Also the spacing in between the rivets is slightly larger than on a boat that was built as a steel ship. Actually our boat was the first one that was converted. Fun fact the guy who draw the lines of the KFK was Austrian and the final design was done about 2.5 kilometers from the place were I grew up as a kid.
Sehr spannend, was ihr alles herausgefunden habt über euer Boot! Das muss ja extrem viel Dedektivarbeit gewesen sein!
Offenbar sind ohnehin die meisten Teile des Bootes nicht mehr original, deswegen würde ich an eurer Stelle darauf verzichten den riesigen Wohnraum im Heck abzubauen. Wenn man so etwas drauf bauen will, dann ist das enorm viel Arbeit und kostet sehr viel Geld, aber ihr habt es schon. Das ganze abzubauen und dann wieder alles ordentlich zu machen ist auch sehr viel Arbeit und ihr verliert diesen tollen Raum. Wenn ihr mit dem Boot auch Geld verdienen wollt, dann ist es doch praktisch, wenn ihr möglichst viele Gäste an Bord beherbergen könnt, die dafür bezahlen.
Oder eie größere Familie könnte gut auf dem Boot leben und damit um die Welt fahren.
Am Anfang war das Boot eine einzige Katastrophe, die ich hätte verschrotten lassen, aber mitlerweile habt ihr es wirklcih schon ganz toll renoviert, sodass es zu einem richtigen Traumschiff mutiert!
Starke Leistung und super Arbeit von Euch 👍👍👍
Thank you for the great video
Glad you enjoyed it! It always feels good if someone acknowledges the work behind the camera and the time that goes into editing.
Industrie engines were large, indestructible engines and were widely used in fishing vessels. The factory went bankrupt because the engines were too good, they say. There are still several professional ships sailing in the Netherlands with an Industrie engine.
Thanks
The first black and white picture was taken in IJmuiden the Netherlands!
Good to know! Thank you. The boat fished out of Katwijk and Scheveningen. In the picture she had the name KW71 Eckhart so in her last period as a fishing vessel.
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I am astonished to learn that a wooden hulled ship can be converted to a steel hull. I mean, how do you do this without building an entirely new ship made of steel?
The germans mass produced a certain type of warship called KFK or Kriegsfischkutter. Built with steel frames and wooden planks. They delivered the frames to different shipyards all over Europe. Since there was a shortage of materials after WW2 they reused a lot of of old stuff. In our case they re- used the steel frames to built a new riveted ship. Flying Coney was the first ship they did this conversion but coincidentally we stumbled over two other boats with a similar story on our boat search.
bravo cool
Het is niet Industrie,Maar ; De Industrie.Deze DAF 1160 zal ik er in laten zitten ( Ze zijn sterk ) Bezuinig zeker niet op wat duurdere motor olie ( SEA 30 ) DAF en Perkins waren vroeger een onderdeel van Leyland.De remband van je omkeerkoppeling wat strakker zetten,want je schroef as draait mee als de hoofd motor loopt ( Op korte termijn geen probleem maar wel als je as in stromend water mee draait zonder smering ) Mooie filmjes trouwens !
The engine that powered the ship from 1953 until the flywheel went flying was a De Industrie 4VD7. It was replaced by a Kromhout F249 in 1976. The DAF came in in 2008. Unfortunately I couldn't get hold of a nice picture of a 4VD7. I wrote to the Stichting: Brons & Industrie but got no response. The DAF 1160 is indeed a modified Leyland engine. Thank you for your comment.
So what you have is a mongrel, and mongrel's make the toughest most resilient of breeds.
It's a real trigger's broom of a boat
I guess all old boats are. At one point even Tally Ho had a wheelhouse and was a fishing boat. The oldest parts of our ship are the frames and at some you can still see the name of the manufacturing company KRUPP.
D. & Joh. Boot N.V., motorenfabriek de Industrie, Alphen aan de Rijn. They also built over a 1000 fishing boats, coasters, tugs and inland vessels. They ceased operation in 1978. the 4 VD 7 means 4 cylinder, 4 stroke (viertakt) diesel. Folders can be googled. There is also a youtube video of one starting up, search for bergingsvaartuig Tonijn.
Siemen & Hinsch mbH (SIHI) of Itzehoe, Germany, still exist as part of the Sterling Fluid Systems company. Sihi pumps were used very frequently in the Dutch fishing industrie, back in the day sold by importer SIHI-Maters.
It took me a while to figure out what the 7 stands for. Turns out it's an internal numbering of the capacity of each cylinder. The VD7 had 60hp per cylinder. But the VD7 is much less common than the VD6 so finding pictures proofed to be hard. Thank you for providing additional informations!
@@FlyingConey well, the 4vd7 had the lowest revolutions per minute, 300 instead of 330. I know fishermen liked it that way, better torque at lower rpm. At full power, pulling nets,they wanted torque, not speed.
By the end of the 1970's the trend was building v-engines with higher revolutions and turbocharged, Industrie did not have the money to develop those, so they went out of business.
In Dutch fishing, with bottomtrawl or pelagic trawls low-rev (max 400 rpm) were favourite. By 2000, All major producers stopped making them (for engines less than 2500 hp) so the dutch, who favoured Stork-Werkspoor (now Wärtsila) or Deutz went either to highrev Mitsubishi or Catterpillar, or turned to Belgian ABC, who still make
Low-revolution engines, although ABC was considered an inferior brand.
Why not fix the welding gen and use it to weld with? You are going to have welding to do