Does a $25.00 Sony Receiver Sound Better Than a Classic Marantz?
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2020
- I found a cheap and cheerful, modern Sony receiver, and decided to pit it head to head against my vintage Marantz 2270. Also, I get nostalgic for an old Technics belt drive turntable.
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I had a Marantz 4 channel receiver. A friend offered me $400 for it. I thought he was joking. After he pulled out the money, he was not. Hell yeah I took the money. I went to Circuit City the next day and bought a new Sony 7.1 receiver and 2 new speakers. I still had $70 to buy some cd's. 2 years later and my Sony died. My old hand me down Marantz I sold was still working like new.
12 years and 4 receivers later, the old Marantz is still working. The old shit was built to last.
I’ve done a similar thing. Live and learn. Thx.
That same Marantz is probably worth more than what you sold it for! Your friend got a great deal!
@@msbrownbeast Yep. It still works.
the capacitors need replacement, the tuner needs calibration, etc, on old equipment like that.. so while it's true that they were build to last, they do need maintenance..
if one were to buy the top of the line of something that were build today, the quality is still there. you can't really compare top of the line w/ entry level stuffs... :}
I still own my Marantz "quad" 4400 receiver! It's been stored for about 30 years now and the prices have been creeping up in recent years. I think I'll get it out and tune it up somewhat....I simply cannot part with my analog love!
The Technics SL-23 was my first turntable back in the mid 70s, man I listened to some awesome music on that!
Enjoying your channel, subscribed, thanks very much!
Just discovered your channel. Binged watched. Very nicely done. I have a sansui receiver also but not as high level as yours. It’s a 331. I bought it the year before I got married. 1975. It still sounds great. Peace love and rock and roll ✌️
When I 16 yrs old (1978), I saved enough money (part time jobs), to purchase a Marantz 2220B receiver, I liked it so much that when I was working full time (1981) I purchased a Marantz 2265B, to this day I still have them both and they still ROCK!. The sound quality on these things is amazing, many people tell me they like the sound better than their surround sound systems. p.s. the Bose 601's also help
My advice is dump the Bose for some real speakers! Sure quality sound, but there's much better and similarly priced.
@@rianredfield5252 Yeah I know Bose can be overrated, but they were a gift from my nephew and sounded better than my old Marantz's. I've been looking at some Klipsch RP 150's for my 2220B and some RP 600's for my 2265B. Come on stimulus!
I had the little Marantz also. Was a good little unit.
I hooked up my JBL speakers to my mid 2000s Marantz 5.1 surround sound receiver and it sounded like crap compared to my 70s Marantz 2270.
I got hooked on vintage receivers and speakers in 1976 when I went away to college. I saw all this great stuff that other students had in their dorm rooms that I could not afford. Decades later, I started buying vintage Marantz, Pioneers, Sansuis, Kenwoods, etc for a song. You are correct. Nothing competes with the old gear.
I listen to my 2270 just about every evening. Paired with either sacd's or flac's or even spotify, it is my all time favorite stereo. The headphobe section sounds amazing too.
I have one I bought at Best Buy for $75 a few years back. I hooked it up up to DYI passive reflex speakers that I had built way back in 1970, plus an unpowered subwoofer. Added a new $ 90 preamped turntable. Plus lots of options for other audio, including video. Better than any system I had been able cobble together in the past. Extremely satisfying!
I'm glad for results. I have my dad's Marantz 2225 and love the sound. It's just warmer and more full at only 25 watts per channel.
Great video! This was my first viewing of one of your videos & I really enjoyed it! As a result I am now a subscriber. It appears that you & I share a similar interest in vintage audio gear. I too, have a small accumulation (collection?) of vintage audio gear. Most of my old gear is equipment I have either kept, from back-in-the-day, when I purchased it new or stuff I stumbled across at garage sales, in thrift stores, or were given by friends that were getting rid of it, in favor of the latest, greatest, & most-up-to-datest AV gear. I really enjoyed your comparison of your vintage Marantz vs. the much newer Sony using two relatively modern speaker systems. That is very much an apples vs. apples comparison & I really appreciated it! In my own case, I have several vintage speaker systems from the early '70's, most notably some Pioneer CS-R600, that are painfully bright & practically unlistenable to on modern electronics, but really sound good on the older gear that have enough power to adequately drive them. But colored sound? Oh boy, are they colored! But, they represented one of the best examples of the old "West Coast Sound" that was voiced to make Rock & Roll, Jazz, Blues, etc. sound great, but don't sound good at all on Classical Music. I have also found the same to be true of the vintage electronics. Some of my older '70's receivers sound kinda dull & lifeless when matched up with the wrong modern speaker. Another issue that I run into with my gear is, much of it is low-power, sometimes only 15-20 or maybe 30 w/ch. at the most. So, I have to be really conscience of what speakers I try to drive with them. But, all in all I love listening to my old gear & listen to most of it regularly while working out in garage. My garage seems to be a Jurassic Park of vintage audio gear, but I do try to keep my old gear in good shape & take my audio dinosaurs out for a regular gallop. Lots of fun for sure!
Btw, I would love to hear more about the obviously digital source you were using in this video. Thank you again for such a great video! I really enjoyed it!
Ahhhhh the receiver wars. My old veteran from the end of that era is an Onkyo 8500 mkii . I have owned it from new purchased at a store called Listening Booth. It does have a fuller warmer sound. I'm glad I kept it. Thanks for the video. My buddy had deeper pockets at the time and was rocking Marantz hardware in the mid 70s
I got a Technics Stereo Receiver back in the late 90's. It sounded great and had a Phono pre-amp in it that worked great. I ended up selling it after getting a Pioneer DTS unit and really miss it.
I have a Marantz 2235 that I purchased in the mid 70's. I had the burned out lights replaced and the unit given a thorough cleaning. The tower speakers needed to be reconed an they are in good shape now. The setup I have also includes a Marantz turntable and a cassette deck. I still have all my vinyl records. I'm still happy with my Marantz equipment.
That's a good find for $25! I'm the same way, constantly watching the local ads. I miss out on so much though! Lots of hawks in my area. I'd recommend springing for an Audioquest cable to replace that Amazon Basics Y-adapter you're using. I didn't think cabling mattered much until I upgraded to an Audioquest Evergreen and it made a NOTICEABLE impact on sound quality on my Marantz 2252B.
I jet have to find the money to get the 2250B restored I got with a bundle of 4 Marantz devices and a Technics SL1710 turntable. All 1977 ish for 250 Euro. The Marantz model 1070 from the pile worked from the start. Has it's tuner too. Had to replace the needle/cartridge/Element of the Technics, but it's working alsoo now.
Really interesting that I came upon your video. My new neighbors bought their place already furnished. They offered me the stereo unit that was left by the previous owner.......the exact same Sony Receiver (without remote) you show here along with a pair of 26 year old Infinity Kappa 5.1 speakers (that I will be refoaming next week)......all for free!
Hey Dave,
Super vid, I like your approach and delivery in presenting your topic. 2 thumbs up!
The Sony unit looks like it’s brand new, great shape.
I collect a lot of vintage Luxman separates from the late 70s, and late 80s. KEF 104/2 speakers from 1984. I would like a Marantz 2270 like yours, maybe someday.
Nice work Dave!
cool video, id love to get my hands on one of those 2270's someday, it seems like the sony was still a pretty great deal though! At $25 I could hardly think of a receiver I could thrift for much cheaper, it would really seal the deal if it had a built-in phono stage, oh well. Great video! look forward to watching more.
I hit the thumbs up when you did the $25 out the door bit. Nice work.
Just sold my 45lb mint Denon 4802R with a Bluetooth 5.0 adapter for $225. The toroid transformer was massive. It was made in Japan, and had 2 remotes. Perfect for a dedicated 2 channel set up. Buttery sound. They are out there.
I had an Accutrac turntable when it came out in the 70's. Programmable and had a remote. Loved everything about it. Rest of my system was Pioneer and a TEAC Reel to Reel. Today I have a Pioneer system with Surround Sound. I can rarely turn it up over half volume. Had it since 1985.
When I was 19 I got a really great deal on system.It was a pioneer school 9000 , coral six way speakers,teac 6010 reel to reel used for 500 bucks. I added dual 1216 turnable.l've kicked myself in the ass 45 years for selling it.You will never see that kind of quality again. Great channel!
In my very humble opinion the 2270 Marantz, in good condition, and up to factory specs, was the best sounding/working receiver of it's day.
It still sounds as good as it looks and is head and shoulders above most of today's stuff. JMO of course, all ears are different.
I have the 1974 purchased 2270 and have tried using my late Marantz 5.1 surround sound receiver in its place to drive my JBL speakers. Not good because I think the 5.1 receiver is a different animal designed for small surround sound speakers only.
I am a professional musician, violinist, passionate about different genres from classical to jazz to pop, my 2270 has surpassed in quality and sound amplifiers costing over 10.000 euros, detail, timbre of the instruments, deep bass, magnificent sound of the voices, the only ones that come close are the vintage Luxman L series
10k euros? Really? And I'm sure you heard everything in between.
Knobster
Thanks for your work.
Would love to see a review of the Marantz SR7200
Hey Dave, I've been subscribed to the channel for about a week now, maybe a tiny bit longer and I really like the content. It's right up my alley. If any of your viewers live in the Miami area, I found one of these on eBay for only $20! (Local pickup). I live in Florida but unfortunately, Miami is about 2 hours away from me. ( tried to post the link but CZcams is not allowing it. Anyhow, title search: "Sony STR STR-DH130 2 Channel 100 Watt Receiver"
I have a Marantz 1070 that I bought new in the mid 70's. I have home theatre amps as well but I'm still using the Marantz in a living room space every day. This amp has never failed me in 45 years and it still sounds great with good speakers. It does say something for the quality of this amp because back then things were made to last.
Recap the power supply and filter caps.
really interesting comparison my friend, nice presentation!!
I recently compared my 1973 Sherwood S-7300 with 2002 Sony STR-DE185 and with 2007 Onkyo HRT-550. I tested to my own ears, and two other people in a blind test. All of us, in repeated tests, chose the Sherwood. The Onkyo was second, but the sound coming out of it was flavored (it's an A/V receiver). The Sony sounds "cheap" in comparison to either, like "radio" compared to "stereo" if you make a distinction. The Sherwood had the fullest, cleanest sound with the nicest bass. Hands down, unquestionably and undenaibly. It wasn't even a competition, the difference was so clear.
The Onkyo has the "best" (lowest impedance) outputs for recording or outputting, the Sherwood second, and the Sony has the most impedance on the RCA outputs. I thought baout rebuilding the Sherwood for no good reason, but upon inspection, the caps still look perfect, everything works perfectly almost 50 years after manufacture. Why fix it if it aint broke I decided.
I think music evolution has influenced stereo equipment. Type of music plays a big part on what sounds better on what type of equipment. Hip hop, rap, and techno might be better on Sony (newer) while rock, folk, and classical might be better on Marantz (vintage). I say have both!
I have the small Wharfedale Diamond 11.0 bookshelf speakers and they have that same "is there a subwoofer hidden somewhere?"-factor you described with the Kefs.
I got one of those Sony receivers for $6 at a thrift store, sounds great!
Yes, for the money these are a steal.
Yep a Marantz 2230 was my first real stereo.... I wish I still had it.... 👍
My friend, there is sound and there is MARANTZ.
After you hear one. Nothing will sound like it.
@@user-nh6cm1ev8g Marantz tube gear designed by Saul himself would just demolish those. Over 60 years old, still the best equipment ever made.
@@user-nh6cm1ev8g You are a complete fool for even suggesting that. Marantz or nothing, made in America like a real tube amp should be.
I can vouch for the current Marantz 6007 Amp which is accurate, powerful and so sweet - whether analogue or digital, it does justice to all music.
Noticed several comments on your comment to "19" standard size" and that is correct for an audio rack, however units like those run 16 15/16"- 17 1/8" or just plain 17 inch as a standard.
Hope this helps, my 2252b and I will continue our gratifying relationship.
I bought that bottom end Sony for my daughter when she graduated HS 8 years ago and it is still going. I have the 2250B and yeah those Marantz have a beefier full sound.
You articulate many good points I have wondered about for some time that are not addressed by many audiophile channels. Yes, having to monkey with dials v. remote is a buzz kill for me! But I'd love to have a 22 to listen with.
I bought a 70s Marantz amp for $25 at The Goodwill in 1994. It was in mint condition and worked great until 2010.
I wish I kept my Marantz 2385. I purchased it new when I was in the USAF in the UK. I sold it because the left channel went out. Stupid me because it could have been repaired. It sounded better than anything I have now. A smooth rich dynamic range.
Nice job, Dave ! I have used Technics for many, many, many years..(Still have a few put away, Belt Drive and they still work great ) I must say, I have been spoiled with my Technics 1200GLD's,
they are so easy on the eyes, and so easy & forgiving to operate ! ( I keep a few MK's in coffin boxes for shows) I only use the Ortofon 2M Black in my videos, (Occasional 2M Blue or Bronze for certain effects) and am very happy with the sound qualities... Enjoy that set-up, you have some very good equipment there ! ! ! OH.... And KEEP PLAYING THE MUSIC ! ! ! I just subbed, for your future updates... Enjoy the Music! We own 46,000 + vinyl records, so we do all the time...Vinyl.. Only way to hear Music...😉🎶
I still have my Kenwood KR-V6040 receiver from 1992. It has a "Discrete Power Amp", which I believe means it runs cooler. I've put it thru its paces. Even after cranking it up for a couple of hours at a time, it is barely warm to the touch. To me, they sure don't make things like this anymore. Very happy.
I have this receiver in my bedroom, driving my B&W 601 (first series), using the A&B channels to bi-amp. I have been really amazed at the sound I get out of this.
I have the Yamaha and it sounded great with the B&W speakers
I have the exact same sony receiver. I have a technics eq hooked up also. I have 2 sony surround speakers hooked to a powered suboofer and the sub is hooked to the sonys speaker A. Speakers B is still open . The amp is sounding really good with the equilizer. The subwoofer is a rca 12inch 200watt powered suboofer with a replaced 8ohm 12inch 300watt phoenix gold and it pumps alot of bass. Budget stereo but loud and powerful with the extra eq and sub . I love it.
This sony is for sale new at Amazon for 99$ good price for child or garage. Marantz are great units but I prefer my sansui's but hearing is subjective. I have 11 old sansui's and if or when I ever retire I will recap and refurb them all. There are other quality vintage units out there that don't command big money. I just picked up a akai aa-r50 a couple weeks ago for 75$ it was totl for that series. 62w is way under rated and handles 4olm without an issue. Also old sheerwood are great. Trying to spend big money on a marantz, sansui, or pioneer can be hard to accept. Great vid.
I bought a Sony AV receiver 30 years ago. I gave it to my nephew last year when I moved up to audiophile equipment. After all that time, it still sounds good and the caps are not bulging or leaking. Who knows how long it will last?
caps will surely eventually go, but through hole electrolytic capacitors are an EZPZ replacement with even the most basic cheapo soldering station. I'd wager any properly motivated person could pull that one off
Nice! I have 2 SL-23 turntable. One was given to me, the other I paid just $10 to a seller on FBM. They're really solid units with great sound.
Yes, my first TT. Found one recently and had to buy it.
Bought a Yamaha 'Natural Sound receiver' off CL, The dsp/room reverbs was what I was after having built a similar system with multiple dsp's on the late 90's with separate amps/eq's. (I was a speaker shop and designed and built all my speakers/enclosures) The effect of that receiver was grand and cleaner than my old original method. Really did not compare to the huge Sansui G series receiver I found in perfect condition at the county dump (took me 2 seconds to decide to cart off) only had to clean the pots.That one made your Marantz look like a 'small' receiver....Would loved to have kept it, but could only really enjoy it on some huge speakers like Cerwin Vega's (or some of the ones I built in the past)...so sold it on the bay for $400 I think I rem.
I have one of these. The display is dead, but the four channels still working. Sometimes I have to move the selecting dial trying to figure where's the input, but anyway, I like it.
Ah, my very first turntable was a Technics SL-23 - fond memories!
Agreed, it was mine as well. A price/performance winner back then.
It's exactly what you said in your video. Budget quality. That said, Sony have always built good honest and reliable products. Sound wise one needs to look to their better models. However well bought for $25.00.
That Marantz is a beautiful receiver!
6:18 you can adjust that in settings, I have this receiver
I find and repair the old stuff Pioneer is my favorite. My SX-1080 SG-9500 CT-F1000 Akai GX-635D and HPM-100 are all mint and sound as good as they did 40+ yrs ago 😀 😄.
In my Lab I have a SX-780 RT-1020L RT-707 CT-9191 and a RG-1 and NS-690s
My 780 puts out a clean 59 watts before clipping but never really need to go over 10 watts.
Have never even seen a marantz stereo in person, am 50 years old now, oddly I've owned pretty much every other brand tho, Still ride hard for my Pioneer 8500 series 2, everyone who has ever been to my place and listened to it said it was one of the most clearest defined sound they can recall having gotten the pleasure of hearing, I have a dual set of Sony 200 watt 10 inch connected it,
Ps, Love your vids and the in Depth content of your vids, Have a Great day
Using a Nakamichi SR-2E (mint) that I purchased locally for $110 about 4 months ago, paired to some Mordant Short 20i's (mint) that I bought at a Salvation Army store for another $35 for the pair. Incredible performance for such little money and both the receiver and amp are in excellent physical/technical condition! The Nakamichi licensed the Nelson Pass amp design in this unit, which has PLENTY of power for desktop/bookshelf performance. It also serves my headphones and IEM's well (e.g. HiFiMan HE400SE, Olina's, Shuoer S12's). I am usually straming music from my PC via a FiiO BTA30 Pro (in DAC mode...though this little unit also has TX and RX modes). Setup works likes charm.
Next to it is a Yamaha CR-420 that was bought locally/shipped for $160 in total. It's also in perfect condition (regardless of age), paired to some pristine Sony speakers that I bought for $60 (SS-CSD-1's).
My most recent "recap" project will be on a much larger Hitachi SR-903 that (again) has no scratches! For $155 delivered, this one is a keeper for sure. Massive G-class amp. All of the internals (boards) and documentation are extremely well marked, so the recap should be rather straight forward. This Hitachi is not well known...surprising when considering the build quality and components inside of it are exemplary.
Lastly, I found locally a Pioneer SX-82E in mint condition (with all original paperwork) from a retiree who was willing to pass on this magnificent unit for only $130. 21 ORIGINAL tubes and it works. Nevertheless, before use I will need to do a recap on this c.1965 unit (all point to point wiring)...this will be a summer project from hell but well worth the effort. Frankly, this one could possibly take more than a summer to get through the complex wiring and ancient components.
After I revise the Hitachi and Pioneer, I will have to consider selling some of these units. Then again, to hell with that! I will be keeping all four...they simply do not make them like this anymore.
Back in the early 80's use to have my "tower of power" as I call it...dbx..sansui..yamaha..technics..Bose etc. As I got old(er) easy listening was my goal. Kept my bose 901's, expansion dbx and my sansui au d9 this time hooked them up to my computer for music selection. Just love the old/new setup.
By DBX, do you mean the range expander? If do, how do you use it with your current setup? Just with your turn table?
@@jaydee6268 Its the 1bx series 2 which is hooked up to the Amp Aux,output signal from Amp to computer usb. For phono I still got it hooked straight to Amp, for me Lps have enough dynamic range,, no need for a single band
Dbx.
I owned three similar vintage Sony Receivers, the nicest one failed a year ago, the other two still work great. An 80 watt on my desktop computer sound system, the other cheap 100 watt Sony I bought for $100 new from Best buy around 2006 is used to power a really cool old console stereo I found at Goodwill for $40 - a '64 RCA tube console with 12" 4 Way Alnico speaker system - it really sounds very good, the old tube amp powers up but needs work, the speakers were like new however. They seemed to finally break in by me really USING them - instead of the Lawrence Welk music and local radio they probably played in the day. Love old stereos....
I've gotten many receivers over the years from thrift stores. Anytime I see one for a good price I have to get it even if I already have 10 extra ones sitting around! I am wondering how you and other people who are in the know about audio equipment would rate my current setup I have for my PC audio. The receiver is a Sherwood RD-6106 that I got for $8. The speakers are Phillips model MX940SSS. The price for those was actually free. They are from a surround system my brother had in the late 90s. I believe the year they were produced is 1997. I think they sound pretty good. The subwoofer I have is an RCA SP0500AW which cost me either $5 or $10. I did have a really good Sony subwoofer but one day it wouldn't power on anymore. Imo the RCA isn't quite as good as the Sony but it still puts out some pretty good bass. So total for the whole setup is around $15-$20.
I also have a classic setup in my backroom with record/cassette/8-track/CD and Minidisc. I don't have the model of the speakers on hand at the moment but the receiver is a JVC RX-701V. It is one of the more expensive receivers I've bought as it was $15. But it was in great condition and had an awesome look to it. If I'm remembering correctly it is from around 1987.
I have several other receivers just sitting around unused. One of them I need to hook up and try out is a Pioneer VSX-818V. It looks like it is a fairly high end model and it was only $5. It is from 2008.
I know this is a very long post but if you took the time to read it all thank you!
I have this Sony in my art studio - it does a very respectable job.
You'd never get a vintage audiophile to admit it, but I've found that the new stuff "usually" outperforms the older stuff. Now back to my Pioneer SX-950....
My crumby spec build sucks cause it doesn’t have s-video or hdmi…
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Yes especially when the old vacuum tube amp explodes in an electrical arc
Everything you said is just dead on point. I laughed at the digital buttons comment too.
I think about this all the time.
The standard receiver gets the job done, and it’s almost foolish for me to say this because I want to be the one buying them, but if it has a digital input and 5.1 pre outs it’s super useful. That you can hook to anything even a vintage reciever!
i have a mint sl23 technics couldnt part w it , i know DJ grandmaster master flashs first turn table to practice scratching on lol
I had a 2250 for years, thing was built like a tank but had incandescent which were always burning-out and the pushbutton switches iffy over the 20 years I had it. A 2270 goes for about $1,000 where I live so you got a good deal... 🤗
Thanks for the reply Dave I bought a vintage.Luxman L1 amp and a Cambridge audio A1 MK3 instead
In general, my purchases of vintage gear is sentimental.
If you have a good system, the most cost-effective thing you can probably do is to add some room treatment. Diffusers are expensive, but good looking absorbers are pretty cheap. Aim for an RT-60 of about 0.5 seconds (plenty of on-line calculators for that). Go for rock wool or fiberglass, 4" thick is best so you can control a wide range of frequencies. Position the absorbers to eliminate first reflections using an optical acoustics approach.
I had a DE845 (if I remember correctly) and it was the most harshest sounding surround sound receiver I've ever had
I have A Old Matantz pm25 with a Dual 630Q(A German Recordplayer beacause i am From Germany) And the Sound is Fantastic. Specilly With Beyerdynamic Dt770 Pro Headphones. An i am 14 Years old Now... And Bought This Amp. When i was 12 and start to Putting my Hifi together...
I used to have the Marantz 2216B receiver as a kid. I used to spin the tuning wheel fast and sometimes my finger would get pinched in the corner of the wheel. Not a great design on that. Fun to look at the display, especially in a dark room. For those people that think 16 watts per channel is not much, it takes about 10x power to sound about twice as loud, so you would need about 160 watts per channel to sound twice as loud as 16 watts per channel. This is to our advantage when reducing audio power like for a portable amplified bluetooth speaker. Even with 1.6 watts maximum (which is very easy on battery power for portable use), it can play roughly 1/4th as loud as a 160 watt receiver (1 channel only). That is actually quite impressive that 1/100th of the power (wattage) for audio, has a perceived loudness of 1/4. You are getting a lot of "bang for the buck". 25% of the volume with only 1% of the power (1.6 watts vs. 160 watts).
Vintage for the win I still have a stereo turntable speakers and amplifier over 40 years old and working sounds amazing and looks beautiful.
Same here.
$5000 for Vintage Marantz Amplifier! I can't believe scalper are doing this to audiophile! $5000 screw it and get a Pioneer amp
Hi! Thank you for this video. May I kindly ask you what is the music you used for testing? (2 ~ 6:00 min) Thank you in advance. Best regards. Jack
I have the same love affair / good audio luck with Luxman. Every piece I have and have had has, knock on wood, worked amazingly.
newer version of the one i still have in the garage, even though its beat to crap and i need to replace the drive chip in it. for such a simple stereo unit, they're pretty good if all you need is two channels.
wish i had my old pioneer sx 780 i got back i 1980 i got it with a pl 200 semi automatic turntable that i still own to this day it is put away at the moment but it works great just had a new cartridge and needle installed before i put it away it has maybe 6 LP's played on the needle am on the look for a vintage receiver or amp and tuner to fire it back up again as soon as its safe to go shopping again lol just found the channel i like the old audio gear cool video am looking at the old speakers all my friends had OHM speakers back then lol not this model one guy and my little bother had a pair the size of a coffee table they were huge things with 2 woofers the Sony is kind of what am after but something with phono i do remember the receiver wars
I actually upgraded my pioneer sx-828 and got a sony strdh590 5.2, the ability to have surround sound is nice, and the sound seems cleaner to me, but my front speakers are just speakers now, when before they vibrated the whole house on own, klh model 23's.
I actually have one of those Sony receivers and use it all the time. I think it sounds great!
Hi! First video l watching but i had to hit the subscribe. Just like me when I got "new" equipment, first look inside under the hood, then hook it up and listen to it. Would also have bought the Sony for $25, listen to it and probably passed it on to someone who needed an good budget stereo. I have listened trough a lot of budget receivers, Sony, Yamaha, Onkyo ... and the common is the loudness signature of the sound, and the lak of ability to play loud music. At normal loud music listening, long before rated power and clipping, the sound becomes compressed and unpleasant to listen to.
I have the Yamaha version of that. It is well worth the money. It pushed a lot of speakers that needed more power
Love me some Yamaha!
Wondering if you remember the stores in the Midwest called ,Playback ? They use to sale there house brand receivers ,amp's and turners cassette player/records ? Those products where very nice for the price,with there warranty, quality was very nice,they almost looked like the Pioneer products, but better, check one of those receiver, amp,pre-amps, or tuners if tour into that stuff . Yeah Project-one receivers ,25,35,50,and 100 watt receivers. I made a hell of a lots of bonuses of those Project -one Products .I thought those receivers where better then ,Sony ,Technic's, Marantz, and those others , I use to compare it with Macintosh. Just an idea ?
Thank you for a great video!
I did quite well with a garage sale. I picked up a pair of Advent U3's for $30. They have the high frequency switch as well. I couldn't believe it!
Yeah I use to have an el cheapo and then I got a Pioneer sx 1080 from my neighbor for free and now I daily drive that for my desktop computer also got a carver tfm 35 for the subwoofer
Sony is a secondary/ bedroom/ garage/ office set up. But I was impressed with the internals for a budget receiver. Wish it had better speaker connections
Thanks for the video. I live precariously through folks as yourself doing these types of videos. Thanks again.
would like to see a freq sweep across inputs and outputs. I wonder if an upgraded output filter would remedy the sony's billowing&brightness?
Only a little. My guess is the preamp is the culprit in the sound chain. It has the largest effect on the sound and can be used to color the sound. People buying cheap receivers like this want something that's similar to what they hear in their car, probably the closest they come to good quality sound. And car stereos usually have a subwoofer to emphasize the bass and a loud top end to cut through the sound of the car.
I would think that either the new one is overly bright or the old one drops a bit on the highs It was not uncommon for old amps to list performance to three or four times max human hearing limits though
Speaking from what I’m able to see it’s pretty much the DAC, they have a black 20 pin board that manages the preamp, and inputs and drives the 4 transistors, so pretty much you’re stuck with what you get, you do get the chance to up bass or treble, im guessing you could tweak the mids too with the remote, so you can’t really fix the sound signature, Sony’s cheap line of products are incredibly limited and cheaply built, all of them, TVs, sound bars, phones, headphones, earphones, and what not, they’re engineered to fail after a certain amount of time or use, most of them unfixable, like they’re still making ‘personal audio systems’ that are straight up designed for you to use them and thrash them
I still have all of my Tandberg equipment from the 70s
Excellent ! off topic, but do you know anything about the painting or photo behind you with the couple embracing with a pillow
between them ? Name of the painter ? Thanks !
Well as a matter of fact, I painted that. Google “the beautiful south munch” and you’ll see how it was used. Thanks.
2270! The receiver of my youth. Do you remember the ad that ran in Stereo Review that had the 2270 which had survived a house fire? Classic. Except one thing that makes me wonder about my memory (duh). I thought my 2270 was less than $600 because it didn't have the wood case. Your pics prove otherwise.
I actually have the original Marantz 2270 house fire ad in a picture frame on my wall. I also have one of the Marantz ads with the cartoonish faces that said "Turn down the distortion" as well as the classic Maxxell tape ad with the guy in the chair where his butler asks 'The usual sir" and the speakers start tipping the lamp and pushing his wine glass off the table--lolol I miss the great era of the watt wars, I also have a large collection of vintage stereo receivers, mainly large Pioneers and a very large and rare Onkyo, a couple of Carvers and some others.
Using the 2270 now. Way better sound than most modern affordable stuff today.
The wooden case was an option on any Marantz receiver in the 70's.
I bought the Marantz 2275 For $600 and $50 for the walnut cabinet in 1974.
Nothing beats vintage stereos. Unlike the crap that's made nowadays, I'll pay the premium for vintage over modern any day. My current setup is a Kenwood KR-830 and a set of Bose Acoustimass 3 Series 2's. Paired with my computer, it's one of the better setups I've had.
I miss my 2215b I had growing up.
Keep your eyes 👀 open for deals.
I got a Pioneer Elite receiver for $35 and a set of Definitive Technology HT system speakers for $60.
Retail on the stuff was like $1800.
Both a complete steal...
You never really see any good gear in yard sales. Reading the internet, you'd think there were 2330B's and 2385's a-plenty, AR-3s by the dozens, and Technics belt-drives by the truckload. It happens so rarely its memorable.
As to new versus old receivers, keep in mind that in the 70's was a perfect storm demand and large Japanese/American companies bringing the best engineers, with superior construction to deliver high-end sound. The result was actually a bargain compared to today's high-end stereo because instead of selling 500 units and companies having to support a company on low volume, Marantz, Sansui, Pioneer, and Kenwood were selling 10's of thousands of these types of units and yes, they competed on price as well. The result is gear that still sounds good 50 years later and as you point out is considered good enough for people to invest thousands in refurbished units.
Good video
The '60s and '70s was considered the "Golden Age" of audio. As you stated there was competition between the manufacturers of audio equipment, the quality has never been higher! There was NO surround sound, which is meaningless for music, only 2-channel sound for immersing yourself in beautiful sound. Considering what you had to go through to listen to a half-hour of PURE ANALOG sound, that vinyl recording was for LISTENING, NOT for a distraction while you were cleaning the house! The thousands of these "rituals" that I went through for 30minutes of music made me MORE aware of the music that was playing!
@@TheOzthewiz Exactly right. I've been refurbishing some equipment from this era (I completed a Marantz 2235B, my first receiver that I foolishly gave away) that is just great a Pioneer, and right now I have a Yamaha Integrated Amp from that era. The build quality on these things has to be seen to be appreciated. People are buying them because they're physically beautiful, they used top quality parts that keeps them running 50-60 years later.
Cannot beat old quality built stuff !
I use an sx1280 pioneer, every weekend. Sounds and looks fantastic.
At 6:55 “audiophile quality sound” please define that. What is it and how do I tell if my system has achieved it.
Would you be able to share any information on the painting behind you (around 7:20 in) of what appears to be two individuals dancing with a pillow? I find it very interesting!
Yes, I painted that almost 20 years ago for bands DVD cover. Google “the beautiful south munch”. Thanks.
My 1986 Kyocera 65Watts/ch...still works perfectly.
Well, why does the Sony boost bass and treble? Did you increase bass and treble? Normally it should sound neutral if bass and treble are in the middle!
Hi Dave , I'm running a set of Monitor audio Bronze BX2 speakers and I'm wanting to buy a Marantz 6007/amp this week from Amazon do you think the new Marantz is any good? and .do you think I'll notice a big difference from my vintage Luxman L1 (entry level.amp) thanks , Max Liverpool England 😎
I don't have experience with modern Marantz gear. It is well reviewed and Amazon has a good return policy just in case. Have fun.
To be fair that's a $150, current-model Sony receiver. You just got an amazing deal on it.
My guess, it was stolen merchendise.
Remember, this was, "Come meet me in this parking lot and I will sell you a brand new receiver for $25"
@@michaelterry1000 I meet people in the parking lot, even when I'm selling. I don't want people in my house casing the joint.
@@SinnerSince1962 I would too, because often times (not always) criminals Buy & Sell merchandise in parking lots out of the trunk of their cars.
They were a nice married couple. Nothing illicit was going down.
the 130 model manual has a copyright date 2012. However Sony still sells the -190, still 100W+100W, and I got a screaming deal at BestBuy for $100 on sale a year ago. Not quite as good as $25 though!
I was looking for a separate amp to drive a subwoofer, and this receiver was way cheaper! And I could pick it up that day which was important to be able to test the rest of the system. Even has phono inputs though I won't be using those, and a remote, and radio presets. Worked for me.
I would be interested in seeing his actual frequency response graph, not just a picture of a smiley spectrum with drawn-in lows and highs. I can't believe that Sony would put out a unit that has more than a dB or two of response error 20-20KHz, it's just too easy to do it right.
I have owned sense new a Realistic STA 2700 receiver (1981), with Dual turntable 1216 ( bought 1980 used), and 3 way speakers I put together using Pyle equipment. I now also own My Dad's Pioneer SX-626 receiver, and two-way DWD speakers, and two Dual turntables (1215S 1971 and 506 (1981). Also own a Sony STR DE898 receiver ( mid 2000 I think). It has a phono input, tape in and out, and multiple Audio video inputs. I still use DVD players to watch shows and movies. The Sony is nice but does not hold a candle for the Realistic and Pioneer systems. I also acquired a mint Dual 1229 7 years ago. However I like using the Sony for movies
I would say absolutely not, but at the end of the day, it’s up to the “ear of the beholder”. You might think one sounds better than the other, and I might disagree and think the other receiver sounds better. With my extensive experience collecting, restoring, and using vintage receivers, I have yet to find a modern day middle of the road, big box store BPC A/V amp/receiver, that sounds better or at least equal to any of the vintage receivers (comparable in price/specs), I’ve owned throughout the years. And it wasn’t close. Vintage wins every time for me. Now, if you want to compare some of the higher end, audiophile modern amps/receivers, with comparable vintage units, you may find that the modern receivers are better in just about every category. However, not many, including myself, have the budget to drop any where from $5K to $10K on a modern amp.
I’m not an audio expert. And I don’t need to be to see that you what you say is true, to realise that it makes sense, and to understand why it happens.
I was thinking of this just today, and the situation is the same in all fields and areas: photography, appliances, etc. The consumer market today is riddled with competition and with consumers ever wanting more. These can be good things... till they aren’t. What happens is that brands need to compete and, especially at the mid-range, steal the attention of potential buyers by satisfying most of their needs and wants. Anybody who is into a hobby already knows this won’t end well by this point. The midrange is mostly populated by ignorant buyers - and I don’t mean this in an insulting fashion, rather I say this very matter-of-factly - who just want to get as much as possible for as little as possible. These customers also do not understand the opportunity cost involved with each added “spec” or “feature”, and most are quick to conclude that if a brand is not offering x spec or feature, it is only because the brand is cheating them or being stingy. In reality, a manufacturer may well decide to not offer something in order to keep prices reasonable or to offer good quality products. Any brand opting to follow this path in the low to mid-range is essentially playing with fire and risking its future. Since the average consumer does not consider issues of quality - price ratio, and chooses the “more” instead of the “better”, companies are “forced” to produce spec and feature rich... garbage.
The story does not end there though. In fact, it is only the beginning, as this ushers in a vicious cycle: seeing this behavior, companies now actually encourage consumers to look for “more” and start offering inferior products while marketing the “innovative features”. So we end up with mid-range products jam packed with shiny features, and lacking any real quality.
The rest of the offerings, from the same companies or “specialized” ones, seek other markets. These are scarcely populated, and demand is “high” (in terms of interest and willingness to buy) but low in terms of quantity. And the prices reflect this, meaning any well-meaning interested consumer who is on a tight budget is either left behind, or left to seek second hand products, and the occasional gem.
Found a old Marantz in by a dumpster.. Some chopped the cord so i replaced it. Aside from scratcy pots, sound is far and above anything else i ever had...
Hosa DeoxIT D5S6 Contact Cleaner or F5S-H6 FaderLube either one should fix it you can look up on youtube on how to clean the pots. I have old 4240 that needs so love one day that is in the attic. Was my dads was give too me love the thing used it for many years. When great things where made in the usa. Hope that helps :)
Watch my Deoxit Magic video.