Here in Brazil, the SP2 is very expensive, almost $14.000,00 (or 42.000,00BRL) because is a iconic car and so much rare here. But doesn't matter if are a slow car, nothing can be compared with that boxer engine sound and this iconic design!
Meu velho já teve 3 desses motor 1600 Boxer do Fuca Bi-Carburado, bebia mais que eu, fora o cheiro de Gasolina! KKK...antes esses carros não tinham valor nos anos 90...hoje virou raridade ah se eu soubesse, tivemos um Branco, Prata e o último um vermelho...mas até que era gostoso de dirigir bem divertido!
Eu já vi um de perto e achei que era só um carro barato e desconhecido Depois que descobri que carro era, e o quão raro ele é, pensei "krl deve valer ouro isso aí"
I had a 1973 Mazda rx-3. It was anything but slow for its day. It would keep up with a lot of the muscle cars of the day and had a top speed of around 130 mph if you ignored the alarm that went off at redline in 4th gear.
Thank you for sharing to the world about the VW SP2, this car was and still is considered one of the most beautiful cars made by VW, and its a brazillian project!
@@JoseSilva_ yes, including some engine blocks like the 356, 912, 914 and the first 924. But a VW is not a Porsche. Anyway I didn’t call this car a piece of junk because it’s a VW but because according to the specialized press (an including VW AG) it was a really bad local project imagined to deceive the poor and ignorant consumer.
@@JoseSilva_ OK, let's go. First, there is an error in your information. Although there isn't much technical information in the Brazilian material published about it (most of it is just mambo jambo for the ignorant, which explains a lot), crossing with high level data available in German, I found that the VW SP , 1 and 2, is not based on the "Brasília" (which is not an original Brazilian engineering project, but just a project to redesign the body of the Beetle) but on the "Variant", which makes all the difference in having the old one as the base chassis of the "Typ 1" found on the Beetle and this new architecture from the German EA97 project (actually the base of the four-door VW 1600 known in Brazil as “Ze do Caixao” whatever that means!), with the significant importance of accommodating the new Variant/TL flat boxer engine applied to SP models. As for the second point, the similarity between the designs of the spectacular 928 and the SP is obviously just your opinion. I don't know what your training and repertoire is about design and automotive design in particular, mainly about history, but it seems that your impression is due to the fact that both have a rounded rear, the only possible common point, the rest are rereadings of the Italian and English “berlinettas” from the 50s and 60s as a lot of other sports cars, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not, it has to do with knowledge and research.
@@jamesengland7461 Gawd, you ain't kidding! I heard one about a month ago and it's been so long it sounded almost like an 80s VW diesel, all rattly, I forgot how noisy those things were.
True. I dont need over 200 hp to have fun. All i need is a manual gearbox, and a sweet engine noise. None of that electric assist crap either. That just takes fun away from the car
SP2 has great looks and a nice sounding engine. 70hp with its light weight is enough for some relaxed cruising :) I really like it! Its not always about having the most power. The Honda has an amazing sound too which automatically makes you feel faster. in combination with the tiny size, i can imagine this car feels a lot faster than it actually is. Isnt that all you want?
Four years before Chevrolet introduced the Corvette, Crosley introduced their own sports car, the Hotshot. The car was absolutely tiny, built to be a true lightweight with no doors and a 724 cc engine mounted behind the front axle. It was slow even its day, at 20 seconds 0-60 mph, but made a name for itself in endurance racing at places like Sebring Int'l Raceway. One of these little cars lives at the Don Garlits Drag Racing Museum (in the classic cars section) in Ocala, Florida and is the only one I've ever seen. The real kicker was the introductery price of US $849.00. It's worth a google and a look!
I had a X 1/9 back in the 70's. New suspension, serious anti-sway bars, gas struts (koni), small spoiler on the trunk, a little bit more air dam in the front and the tires I choose lowered it maybe an inch or 3/4ths. Did a bunch of work on the engine but I am pretty sure I never got it above 75 hp (stock was 60). Real nice custom paint job, yellow with black accents. It looked great it sounded great and it handled like a charm. Neural steering, no body sway. I took it SCCA racing, just to be nice they didn't put me in C-Pro, they left me in C'-Mod . And there I had the best looking and slowest car. But what the hell it was wonderful to drive, would love to have it again
Lots of power is useless if your heavy unbalanced lump of iron & steel won't corner properly! In the right hands most of these cars were great fun on twisting mountain roads!
@osp80 back in the day we used race the big yank tanks in little mini's and MG Midgets they would fly down the straights then all the little cars would fly past them as they wallowed in the corners
Actually, the engine made for SP2 was already more powerful than others aircooled regular VW engines. SP2's is a 1.7 litre, and the other engines, 1.6. The engineers was about to create a new car, SP3, with front engine, watercooled and 1.8 litre, but SP2 came from the same thought which gave birth to Beetle, a thought from the 1930's, boxer, rear engine and aircooled, VW made up her mind, that was time to go ahead. Even so, SP2 is a beautiful car.
And I have had problems catching race prepped gt category 914's in the corners with an AS category Camaro. They can be quite fast with the right stuff.
The iron duke was awful in every way, I don't know why gm put it in EVERYTHING. The only thing it was good at was not dying. I had an old s-10 with an iron duke and the truck just fell apart around that boat anchor of an engine but it started first crank, every time.
True, the dopes at GM were so afraid this car would hurt Corvette sales they stuck it with the crappy Iron Duke and awful Chevette suspension components. The last year manufacture Fiero GT was a really good car, but by that point they had ruined its name in the market. Just like they did with the Vega, Citation, etc. I read John DeLorean's book about GM, was really insightful regarding their bureaucracy, inefficiency and stupid politics.
I recognized the SP2 in the thumbnail and I realized I NEEDED to see this video. It's one of my favourite cars to this day, I miss all those brazilian "sport" cars.
The silver car on the opening image is a Puma GTS. O carro prata na imagem de abertura é o PUMA GTS, também brasileiro e mecanicamente semelhante ao VW SP2. A PUMA fazia veículos tanto com mecânica VW Fusca como também do GM Opala, motor 250in, Inline six.
Congratulations for the videos!!! The Fiat in the video at 8:53 was not a Abarth 695 (Fat 500 base model) Two Cylinders, was a Abarth 850 TC (Fiat 600 base model) Four Cylinders.
Thank you for remembering from Brazil, Visio... The VW SP 2 is extremelly rare.10.000 units was assembled only. The VW was made the SP 3 project, but it was never released.
Here in Brazil , the fast for agent is the slow for other countries , and an interesting fact to know is that there was a prototype SP3 that had an AP engine with 80 or so horses
I grew up in the muscle car seventies and had my share of them. They would go like hell but they didn't like to turn or stop. Now I have a 2000 MR2 Spyder with a whopping 120hp. It is by far the most fun car I've ever had. It is the polar opposite of a muscle car, it doesn't go like hell but it will definitely turn and stop. I'm also lucky to live in northeast Georgia at the foothills to the Appalachian mountains. Very fun to drive!
Love the vw sp2. Handsome looking car. Your Mazda rx3 write up is labelled as vw sp2. It's early enough to remove the video. Edit the error and reupload
The thumbnail shows the Puma, which was another brazilian sportscar from a smaller manufacturer, based on VW boxer mechanics, and also a beautiful one. Its success was the inspiration for VW to produce a sports model of its own.
I thought Visio said this in error too, but I went back and he used the term "body structure". A cursory look around found that Deloreans did indeed use a fiberglass underbody that was affixed to a double Y chassis derived from the Lotus Esprit. Interestingly, the same article (from Wikipedia) states that several hundred cars were produced with black fiberglass body panels and were used to train the assembly line workers. These mules were never offered for general sale. You're actually both correct!
Actually he's right, the body structure is out of fiberglass. The panels that are put on it are the stainless ones. You can check the parts list on the USA Delorean website here store.delorean.com/c-394-8-2-0-fiberglass-body.aspx
I had a 1969 MK IV Austin Healey Sprite in British racing green. It was a blast to drive, although keeping it in good repair was good for keeping my mechanic's skills sharp.
The Fiat X-19 DEFINITELY belongs on this list. Although it looked great and handled great it was ridiculously under-powered. In fact, I remember it was virtually impossible to pass slower cars on the highway because it might take you 15 seconds just to get by a single car, and lets face it, that’s a long time to be on the wrong side of the road. And if you are on even a slight upgrade you can just forget about passing altogether. In my RX-7 on the other hand I can pass a car in about 2 or 3 seconds even on a steep upgrade.
I read an article about the Fiat X/19 a few days ago. (Including stories by previous owners). That car was Not! designed to be a "muscle-sportscar" but more like one of those light & fun british sportscars that they had built (with great success) for decades. - And were really *fun* to drive. (I.e. -really different from the other boring family cars that were on the market).
Little advice to those who say "My mother's minivan is faster than that" You don't know jack about driving. P.S.: Loved your first try on portuguese. Lol
Don't agree with you! They are all very hot cars I'd like to have. The Honda S800 is what a sports car should be: Reving like hell, lightweight, noisy and very good looking! If you want an example of a slow sports car then this: The identical Buick Skylark, Chevrolet Monza, Oldsmobile Starfire triplets with 3.8 liters, 125 hp, 148 km/h max speed and automatic gearboxes. But they also looked cool!
Yeah, but this video isn't about styling, cornering, and flair. It's about speed. Visio owned a brz, so he definitely knows how to appreciate sports cars that aren't insanely powerful. The video isn't saying the cars suck, just saying that they're relatively slow in a straight line as far as sports cars go.
@@joshuabarkey4554 Don't agree! You have to see it all in its relation. Over 100mph for a 800cc car is very fast and was it even more in 1966. Same thing for a AZ-1. And a Corvette is very lame compared to a dragster.
@@joshuabarkey4554 And by the way, he talks about the slowest sports car not about the slowest sports car on a straight road! Believe me, many of these so called slow cars would beat out the shit of much powerful cars on a curvy circuit. A VW-Porsche is a perfectly balanced mid-engine sportscar.
Juri Vlk You need to work on reading comprehension. Also, the Skylark, Monza, and Starfire were never marketed as sports cars and at any rate they were available with both a 5.0L and 5.7L V8. In those early days of emissions controls, all cars sold in the US were weak-kneed, regardless of their country of origin.
@@CaptHollister To me Skylarks and co. look quite sporty, with long hoods, two long doors, only very small back seats, lots of chrome, sporty looking wheel covers, steering wheels with aluminum spokes etc. So as what they were marketed? As minivans or as pickups? LOL
Love the DeLorean, such a modern and futuristic design for early 1980's, especially the whole stainless-steel brushed bodywork and fibreglass-covering underbody beneath the double-Y shaped chassis frame. Initially the car was going to source its powertrain from PRV as stock, but due to emission restrictions the power was limited to 130HP, instead of the "meh" 150HP that the stock engine had before. Still, thanks to the "Back to the Future" Trilogy, after the company closed its doors the DMC-12 became a conspicuous icon, noteworthy even for non-car enthusiasts.
More of that, a lot of people complaining about PRV engine as worst ever v6 could be possible for such modern car... But they forgot or didn't knew what this engine well known for excellent race history: it was using in rally for Alpine A310 and exactly this engine hold LeMan's speed record even for today.
Porsche 914! As a teenager one of my neighbors had this car. On a good day off work he’d make the engine scream as he drove down this country road that snaked alongside a canal. It’s not just about speed. It’s about the tactile feedback from the car (steering, gas, brakes, tires, & body) making the car an extension of your body. It becomes an experience and things like radios become a distraction.
The RX-3 isn't that slow for a small car from the 1970s and that Honda S800 sounds pretty awesome for only having 71 hp. On the Fiero the V6 ones had ok performance but if you swap in a supercharged 3800 V6 or a 5.3 V8 into one they're anything but slow.
V6 Fieros were actually legit, they got them right after a few years. People in the US are putting superccharged 3800 V6s in them now with well over 300HP.
The Pontiac Fiero was a poor man's Ferrari/Lamborghini. Another issue was overheating due the coolant lines getting crushed when the car was raised up on a 4 point hoist.
well okay pls do a episode about all the crazy Kei-Car´s these thing's are awesome i wish the cappucino would be cheaper in germany it would make an awesome dori toy
The important here is be Fun to Drive! We made a lot of models of Puma. There is one at the SP2 side in your thumbnail. It was like our own Porsche. ;)
70’s toyota celica 2.0 engine would chirp 2nd gear. not underpowered. my 60’s datsun 1600 roadster was a bit underpowered. no corner i couldn’t get it sideways, though. lived near so cal hwy 2 (Angeles Crest) in high school and ditched class - a lot.
Do every corner around town as a full-power four-wheel drift, scraping the door handles, and be in no danger of getting a speeding ticket. :-) I've always lusted after the SP2.
I'm from Brazil, where SP2 was drawn and made, and even here, is very difficult do find, and very expensive. My uncle had one, it feels like you are in a race car, amazing...until you start the engine. Then, is not so different from a Beetle, mainly because the smell of gas and lack of power.
Eric Glueckert almost bought a Copen a year ago. So nice to drive around on Japanese streets in Autumn with the top down but gutless on highways and really quite cramped. But now the Japanese car companies are making 1000cc versions of their most popular Kei models and I hope the Copen is next !!
I had a Sonett 3 in the early 2000's for a few years & it could go up to 180 kmh (admittedly according to its speedo) which I consider not too bad for an early 1970's car if compared to other cars of its day.
Oh, and as someone who had THREE Fieros (an '86, '87, and '88) I thank you for documenting this vehicle. I regret never doing 'videos' of me driving them - although there are a couple showcasing them running (but not driving!)...I also had an MG Midget. The SLOWEST car I EVER owned! Thanks again for this!
Like all cars, there's more to reliability than just the engine. Plenty of Fiero's hauled off to the bone yard with a still-functioning engine. Also, as was stated in the video... give the car to someone who doesn't take care of it, and it doesn't matter if it's an Iron Duke or B18, it's not going to last long.
The 2.5 had weak main bearing webs and wasn't meant for performance driving, it was taken from GM's front-drive economy cars. The 2.8 V6 used to throw a rod if abused too much or on heavy cornering if the oil was a bit low. Overall, though, the Fiero actually was quite reliable if maintained and driven properly. The Fiero wasn't released or marketed as a sports car, it was sold as an economical commuter car that looked sporty. They were originally built with Chevette front suspension parts and basically, a Citation front-wheel drive moved to the back; all of which made repairs inexpensive.
VW SP2 Is a one of the best sport car in Brazil, but without power..............in outer side, the design is mark in automotive history.. I love this Channel
The 948cc was used in the early "Bugeye" Sprite and, (I believe) was replaced by 1100 CC in the first square bodied Sprites. Later square bodies got the 12OO CC motor
1. the MG Midget/A had a wooden frame 2. When I was young I had a Fiat Abart 650 TR with standard 86 hp directly from Abarth in Carinthia/Austria, with a weight of 540 kilograms that was more than enough at the time 3. production sports cars have only had high horsepower since the late 1980s
Happy Birthday Visio Racer. Love your work. (You have probably been told by now: it is my understanding that the Delorean has Stainless Steel body work.)
I remember my aunt had a Fiero. When i was a kid she used to take me on rides down winding Indiana country roads, and we had a BLAST. Then I heard from my grandpa one day that it caught on fire and burned to the ground cuz it overheated. :< i'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that car though
Was expecting a list of slow sportscar. Over half of these cars have a tiny engine with good poweroutput for their size, especialy for the year they were built. You cant compare watermelons with cherries
i from brazil, great SP2, in this years, brazil closed importaciones, and vw create this model, engine for the beatle, 1600cc 2 carburets, and shift more long,
those old Brazilian vw's are about to get popular again. swaps have finally opened the door into making them the monsters they wanted to be in the first place.
The puma on the thumbnail, im Brazilian and i assure u that the puma is one of the greatest sports car in Brazil. Also its slow. We have the gol, the lobini, puma, SP2, hoffsteter n/a and turbo, the Opala, the Maverick, the Santa Matilde, the Fusca known as the beetle, Gurgel xavante, Br800, Willys Interlagos, aerowillys, Chevrolet Omega, Fiat 147, Oggi, uno Mille Fiorino, the Romi-isetta, vw Brasília, Ford corcel, Willys gordini, MP Lafer, Willys rural, the Miura targa, Ford Landau, Chevrolet Chevette, Chevrolet Caravan, vw Santana, the Kombi known as the sambabus, Dodge polara and many others. Also to prove im Brazilian here It goes: eu sou brasileiro e sou um cabeça de biela, gosto de tudo, os importados n são os melhores, os impostos são caros e nós nos divertimos com as coisas mais básicas do automobilismo
Many of those cars are not even brazilian, like the Ford Maverick, VW Beetle, Chevrolet (Opel) Omega, Fiat Uno, VW "Kombi", etc. Eu sou brasileiro também, mas não dá pra negar que o Brasil nunca foi um país conhecido por carros potentes.
Another one was the first-generation (1978-1985) RX-7 with the 12A rotary. Peak horsepower of 101 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, with a redline of 7,000. Definitely not impressive nowadays, but back in the post-1974 emissions years, with just 1.1 naturally-aspirated liters of displacement; the thing was super impressive.
You forgot the VW Ghia. Debatable is the Daihatsu Cuore third generation. That thing drove like a kart. But less debatable the Daihatsu Copen. The Autobianch A112 Abarth, the De Tomaso mini. The Mini Cooper, the Renault 8 Gordini, the Opel GT (first version), Ford Capri 1.3 first version, and many more.
Great little video. I love slow cars that look good and have great sound. I have a Pontiac Fiero GT with the V6 and it sounds great. Also it's not as slow as the others on this list. 0-60 is about 8 secs. I've gotten mine to top put at 120 mph too.
Here is a tier of brazilian sport cars that also should be in that list of slowest sport cars: Volkswagen Karman-Ghia, DKW Puma GT, Ford Maverick GT, Gurgel BR 500 and 800, Miura Sport, Chevrolet Opala SS, Hoffstetter, etc
Me and my mates found if you bought a ten year old fast car it was much quicker than a new fast car. Because you could afford to write off a ten year old fast car whereas new car owners treat them with velvet gloves. Also you could ram the new car with your old car to discourage them! 🤣
I lived in Brazil in the 80's and nearly shipped a SP2 back to UK. I loved 'em ...
so you did nothing, great comment...
@@scottm6517 Thanks for the compliment Scott.
@@scottm6517 There's no need to be so harsh
Here in Brazil, the SP2 is very expensive, almost $14.000,00 (or 42.000,00BRL) because is a iconic car and so much rare here. But doesn't matter if are a slow car, nothing can be compared with that boxer engine sound and this iconic design!
Eu nunca tinha visto esse carro ate esse video, a frente dela parece de uma brasilia.
Meu velho já teve 3 desses motor 1600 Boxer do Fuca Bi-Carburado, bebia mais que eu, fora o cheiro de Gasolina! KKK...antes esses carros não tinham valor nos anos 90...hoje virou raridade ah se eu soubesse, tivemos um Branco, Prata e o último um vermelho...mas até que era gostoso de dirigir bem divertido!
Still sucked as a sports car even back when released, though.
I guess nostalgia goes further than commonsense.
@@Vanessinha91Pucca All cars at that time of SP2 were based on the Beetle mechanics, the Brazilian industry is always a joke.
Eu já vi um de perto e achei que era só um carro barato e desconhecido
Depois que descobri que carro era, e o quão raro ele é, pensei "krl deve valer ouro isso aí"
It’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow
Completely right
Agree
Nothing more fun than riding around town in 250cc cruiser banging the rev limiter and cutting corners.... While being passed by camrys and malibus.
Aye RCR?
TROLL MEDIA-2 After watching they racing Austins A30 at Goodwood, I’m forced to agree with you :)
Hondas engine seems actually really good 70 hp with only 800 cubics displacement and 9000 rpm at that era and the sound is really cool
and the heritage continued until s2000, 250 HP for only 2000cc and surely NA with 9000rpm rev limit
Black Phoenix back then those numbers were unheard of for a road going car. I would rock one because you are correct the sound is amazing
Honda S 800 are beasts and very searched for today. Excellent car!
If you like that, check out the Honda Coupe 9. It had a 1.3L air cooled I4 that made 115hp and could rev to 8000rpm.. Pretty good for 1969.
Right
I lived in Brazil in the early-70s. I lusted after the SP2 just like every other boy. It was so cool compared to the Beetles that were everywhere.
I had a 1973 Mazda rx-3. It was anything but slow for its day. It would keep up with a lot of the muscle cars of the day and had a top speed of around 130 mph if you ignored the alarm that went off at redline in 4th gear.
these are all just normal cars, back them, Porsche was the only Sports Car that could perform, and people would buy too
Man I love your thumb. I'm Brazilian and that cars are very special for us.
It looks very good!
how much does an sp2 cost I'm Brazil?
@@fidelcatsro6948 Around 50.000 BRL, wich is about 12.200 USD, very expensive to us btw
@@fidelcatsro6948 actually the problem is find one on sale
i know they are very rare because no one in correct brain of thought will sell them away...
Damn that honda sounds awesome
Damn right it does.
The RX3's too.
Sounds kinda like my Honda
krezo This whole Honda fits in today’s Hondas lol
The AZ-1 too, damn those are tiny but imposing cars and engines
Thank you for sharing to the world about the VW SP2, this car was and still is considered one of the most beautiful cars made by VW, and its a brazillian project!
Aquilo é so uma imitação de um Porsche 928.
@@JoseSilva_ don't offend the 928 because it's a Porsche after all, not this irrelevant piece of junk.
@@JoseSilva_ yes, including some engine blocks like the 356, 912, 914 and the first 924. But a VW is not a Porsche. Anyway I didn’t call this car a piece of junk because it’s a VW but because according to the specialized press (an including VW AG) it was a really bad local project imagined to deceive the poor and ignorant consumer.
@@JoseSilva_ , desinformado
@@JoseSilva_ OK, let's go.
First, there is an error in your information. Although there isn't much technical information in the Brazilian material published about it (most of it is just mambo jambo for the ignorant, which explains a lot), crossing with high level data available in German, I found that the VW SP , 1 and 2, is not based on the "Brasília" (which is not an original Brazilian engineering project, but just a project to redesign the body of the Beetle) but on the "Variant", which makes all the difference in having the old one as the base chassis of the "Typ 1" found on the Beetle and this new architecture from the German EA97 project (actually the base of the four-door VW 1600 known in Brazil as “Ze do Caixao” whatever that means!), with the significant importance of accommodating the new Variant/TL flat boxer engine applied to SP models.
As for the second point, the similarity between the designs of the spectacular 928 and the SP is obviously just your opinion. I don't know what your training and repertoire is about design and automotive design in particular, mainly about history, but it seems that your impression is due to the fact that both have a rounded rear, the only possible common point, the rest are rereadings of the Italian and English “berlinettas” from the 50s and 60s as a lot of other sports cars, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not, it has to do with knowledge and research.
2:05 maybe slow, but nice engine sound.
and that's just from a tiny 800cc engine in mid 60's. I bet no other car on that era can have that much power in such tiny engine
nicolas rouvreau hell yes
Vtec yo
@@willpark7483 still no vtec on that time but you can call it pre-tec
@@renaldisaputra91 well said haha
The two Pontiac Fiero in this video actually has the 2,8 L V6 engine, you can't mistake on it due to the dissonance tone only 6-cylinders make.
Sounds infinitely better than that Iron Bucket...
Vr6 12v has entered the chat 😄
@@jamesengland7461
Gawd, you ain't kidding!
I heard one about a month ago and it's been so long it sounded almost like an 80s VW diesel, all rattly, I forgot how noisy those things were.
@MrHillfolk truly awful!
These days , people forget how cars can be fun
nah, there's nothing worse than a car that makes a bunch of noise and goes nowhere
True. I dont need over 200 hp to have fun. All i need is a manual gearbox, and a sweet engine noise. None of that electric assist crap either. That just takes fun away from the car
@@tehgzizlauw1787 You actually have to put it in gear to make it go somewhere dude!
Horsepower and speed is very overrated these days , slow cars are fun in a different way to fast cars
I like lexus lfa
Juicy engine noise
Mmmmmmmmm
SP2 has great looks and a nice sounding engine. 70hp with its light weight is enough for some relaxed cruising :) I really like it! Its not always about having the most power.
The Honda has an amazing sound too which automatically makes you feel faster. in combination with the tiny size, i can imagine this car feels a lot faster than it actually is. Isnt that all you want?
An SP2 and a engine swap could make me the happiest man in the world!
One of my favorite ideas.
So many of the cars on this list are just engine swap wet dreams. The Fiero is my favorite swap dream
swap Chevy572 engine
Don't think it could handle a v8. No room for that. Maybe a flat6 by Porsche... 😈😈😈😈
or the venerable 2jz Toyota inline 6 engine!
Four years before Chevrolet introduced the Corvette, Crosley introduced their own sports car, the Hotshot. The car was absolutely tiny, built to be a true lightweight with no doors and a 724 cc engine mounted behind the front axle. It was slow even its day, at 20 seconds 0-60 mph, but made a name for itself in endurance racing at places like Sebring Int'l Raceway. One of these little cars lives at the Don Garlits Drag Racing Museum (in the classic cars section) in Ocala, Florida and is the only one I've ever seen. The real kicker was the introductery price of US $849.00. It's worth a google and a look!
It's called a De-lor-e-on. And the body is made out of bare stainless steel. How can you not know this? It's one of the most famous movie car....
body structure was made of fiberglass. the skin was steel.
These cars may be the slowest sports cars, but they are proper drivers cars and great fun to drive!👍
I had a X 1/9 back in the 70's. New suspension, serious anti-sway bars, gas struts (koni), small spoiler on the trunk, a little bit more air dam in the front and the tires I choose lowered it maybe an inch or 3/4ths. Did a bunch of work on the engine but I am pretty sure I never got it above 75 hp (stock was 60). Real nice custom paint job, yellow with black accents. It looked great it sounded great and it handled like a charm. Neural steering, no body sway. I took it SCCA racing, just to be nice they didn't put me in C-Pro, they left me in C'-Mod . And there I had the best looking and slowest car. But what the hell it was wonderful to drive, would love to have it again
8:15 oh look it’s the coffee break license test from Gran Turismo 4
You missed the Fiat 850 Spyder. That VW from Brazil actually looks pretty decent
Honda s800 sound so good man!
It does! Sounds more like 200BHP than 70.
@@TheMentalblockrock exactly! 😂
@odzadze123 you had one or repeating shit like any parrot on the internet having no clues ?!!
Lots of power is useless if your heavy unbalanced lump of iron & steel won't corner properly!
In the right hands most of these cars were great fun on twisting mountain roads!
I agree i have lote of power from my 400 v8 but my chassis is over 4500 pounds and handles like a ship.
osp80 ; How much time & money does it cost filling up your gas-guzzler?
@osp80 back in the day we used race the big yank tanks in little mini's and MG Midgets they would fly down the straights then all the little cars would fly past them as they wallowed in the corners
and would beat many older american V8s in the corners
Not gonna lie, the S800 is one of my favorite car ever.
Agree! Today, they are rare and expensive.
Man my car is a classic mini (which is surprinsingly roomy if you ever went in one). I'm 5'9 and 176 lbs so I'm not a big dude, it'll be fine ;)
@Dickhead Bear First, you have to find one, second, you need a big wallet.
2:05 Every 18 year old Honda driver at 3 a.m. in my neighborhood. I really love those little cars shown here. I bet they are really fun to drive.
Theres alot of after market for vw bug engies. You could make the sp2 fast.
In fact, you can make it fast with the 914 engine 😂
That was my 1st thought, just disappointed that this variant of the VW Type3 never made it to Australia!
Much better styling than the popular Ghia!
Actually, the engine made for SP2 was already more powerful than others aircooled regular VW engines. SP2's is a 1.7 litre, and the other engines, 1.6. The engineers was about to create a new car, SP3, with front engine, watercooled and 1.8 litre, but SP2 came from the same thought which gave birth to Beetle, a thought from the 1930's, boxer, rear engine and aircooled, VW made up her mind, that was time to go ahead. Even so, SP2 is a beautiful car.
You can make a bug run low 10s with the right mods. Low tens out of a naturally aspirated motor is something to be very proud of.
And I have had problems catching race prepped gt category 914's in the corners with an AS category Camaro. They can be quite fast with the right stuff.
The Fiero wasn't so bad with the 3.1 v6 (like the GT model you show later). The base model, with the 2.5 liter Iron Duke engine, was a turd
The Iron Duke engine is a Category 5 POS.
The iron duke was awful in every way, I don't know why gm put it in EVERYTHING. The only thing it was good at was not dying. I had an old s-10 with an iron duke and the truck just fell apart around that boat anchor of an engine but it started first crank, every time.
True, the dopes at GM were so afraid this car would hurt Corvette sales they stuck it with the crappy Iron Duke and awful Chevette suspension components. The last year manufacture Fiero GT was a really good car, but by that point they had ruined its name in the market. Just like they did with the Vega, Citation, etc. I read John DeLorean's book about GM, was really insightful regarding their bureaucracy, inefficiency and stupid politics.
It was never produced with the 3.1, unfortunately.
Right, the V6 was the 2.8. That was still a decent engine
I recognized the SP2 in the thumbnail and I realized I NEEDED to see this video. It's one of my favourite cars to this day, I miss all those brazilian "sport" cars.
The silver car on the opening image is a Puma GTS.
O carro prata na imagem de abertura é o PUMA GTS, também brasileiro e mecanicamente semelhante ao VW SP2.
A PUMA fazia veículos tanto com mecânica VW Fusca como também do GM Opala, motor 250in, Inline six.
Eu tive um GTS 78 deixou saudades.
Gte gtb e caminhoes tambem
Congratulations for the videos!!!
The Fiat in the video at 8:53 was not a Abarth 695 (Fat 500 base model) Two Cylinders, was a Abarth 850 TC (Fiat 600 base model) Four Cylinders.
Thank you for remembering from Brazil, Visio... The VW SP 2 is extremelly rare.10.000 units was assembled only. The VW was made the SP 3 project, but it was never released.
Here in Brazil , the fast for agent is the slow for other countries , and an interesting fact to know is that there was a prototype SP3 that had an AP engine with 80 or so horses
O motor do Passat TS usado nesse protótipo tem quase 100 cv
I grew up in the muscle car seventies and had my share of them. They would go like hell but they didn't like to turn or stop. Now I have a 2000 MR2 Spyder with a whopping 120hp. It is by far the most fun car I've ever had. It is the polar opposite of a muscle car, it doesn't go like hell but it will definitely turn and stop. I'm also lucky to live in northeast Georgia at the foothills to the Appalachian mountains. Very fun to drive!
The Fiero Fastback with the 2.8 would do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds which wasn’t too bad at the time.
Love the vw sp2. Handsome looking car.
Your Mazda rx3 write up is labelled as vw sp2. It's early enough to remove the video. Edit the error and reupload
The SP2 is cosideraded the most beautiful volkwagen car. If it were not for the weak engine, it would be an incredible car even today.
SP2, the masterpiece from the hands of Márcio Piancastelli
Karmann Ghia is a bit better looking. From another era though.
The thumbnail shows the Puma, which was another brazilian sportscar from a smaller manufacturer, based on VW boxer mechanics, and also a beautiful one. Its success was the inspiration for VW to produce a sports model of its own.
There she goes to kill me chicken nugget Yeah only the design because the engine sucks
the DeLorean's body was made of stainless steel not fiberglass
Yeah and really dont like rust:)
I thought Visio said this in error too, but I went back and he used the term "body structure". A cursory look around found that Deloreans did indeed use a fiberglass underbody that was affixed to a double Y chassis derived from the Lotus Esprit. Interestingly, the same article (from Wikipedia) states that several hundred cars were produced with black fiberglass body panels and were used to train the assembly line workers. These mules were never offered for general sale. You're actually both correct!
Actually he's right, the body structure is out of fiberglass. The panels that are put on it are the stainless ones. You can check the parts list on the USA Delorean website here store.delorean.com/c-394-8-2-0-fiberglass-body.aspx
would kill to have stainless body on my ugly Citroen ax11
Suspensão e desenho d chassi by Lotus, mas não foi construído pela Lotus, sorry
I had a 914 and it was tremendous to drive. Great brakes, handling. A blast to drive!
Rick Hibbon I agree if you are talking about the 914/6.
I had a 1969 MK IV Austin Healey Sprite in British racing green. It was a blast to drive, although keeping it in good repair was good for keeping my mechanic's skills sharp.
The Fiat X-19 DEFINITELY belongs on this list. Although it looked great and handled great it was ridiculously under-powered. In fact, I remember it was virtually impossible to pass slower cars on the highway because it might take you 15 seconds just to get by a single car, and lets face it, that’s a long time to be on the wrong side of the road. And if you are on even a slight upgrade you can just forget about passing altogether. In my RX-7 on the other hand I can pass a car in about 2 or 3 seconds even on a steep upgrade.
I read an article about the
Fiat X/19 a few days ago. (Including stories by previous owners).
That car was Not! designed to be a "muscle-sportscar" but more like one of those light & fun british sportscars that they had built (with great success) for decades.
- And were really *fun* to drive. (I.e. -really different from the other boring family cars that were on the market).
Little advice to those who say "My mother's minivan is faster than that"
You don't know jack about driving.
P.S.: Loved your first try on portuguese. Lol
My mother's Toyota Highlander is faster in a straight line than my Miata, but it's a pig to drive by comparison...
My mom's minivan could drift. Yes, front wheel drive with back end slipping out. They didn't have digital video back then
@@catjudo1 shocks and tires will make that highlander fun
FWD only. It also has enough warnings and shit to make a Jewish mother proud. Annoys the hell out of me.
Sim, minha esposa com VW sharan a subir 12'/. Empurra Honda Civic,concerto, alguns golf, totalmente insano!
Don't agree with you! They are all very hot cars I'd like to have. The Honda S800 is what a sports car should be: Reving like hell, lightweight, noisy and very good looking! If you want an example of a slow sports car then this: The identical Buick Skylark, Chevrolet Monza, Oldsmobile Starfire triplets with 3.8 liters, 125 hp, 148 km/h max speed and automatic gearboxes. But they also looked cool!
Yeah, but this video isn't about styling, cornering, and flair. It's about speed. Visio owned a brz, so he definitely knows how to appreciate sports cars that aren't insanely powerful. The video isn't saying the cars suck, just saying that they're relatively slow in a straight line as far as sports cars go.
@@joshuabarkey4554 Don't agree! You have to see it all in its relation. Over 100mph for a 800cc car is very fast and was it even more in 1966. Same thing for a AZ-1. And a Corvette is very lame compared to a dragster.
@@joshuabarkey4554 And by the way, he talks about the slowest sports car not about the slowest sports car on a straight road! Believe me, many of these so called slow cars would beat out the shit of much powerful cars on a curvy circuit. A VW-Porsche is a perfectly balanced mid-engine sportscar.
Juri Vlk
You need to work on reading comprehension. Also, the Skylark, Monza, and Starfire were never marketed as sports cars and at any rate they were available with both a 5.0L and 5.7L V8. In those early days of emissions controls, all cars sold in the US were weak-kneed, regardless of their country of origin.
@@CaptHollister To me Skylarks and co. look quite sporty, with long hoods, two long doors, only very small back seats, lots of chrome, sporty looking wheel covers, steering wheels with aluminum spokes etc. So as what they were marketed? As minivans or as pickups? LOL
slow or not, that rx-3 looks fabulous, sounds even better :O
Love the DeLorean, such a modern and futuristic design for early 1980's, especially the whole stainless-steel brushed bodywork and fibreglass-covering underbody beneath the double-Y shaped chassis frame. Initially the car was going to source its powertrain from PRV as stock, but due to emission restrictions the power was limited to 130HP, instead of the "meh" 150HP that the stock engine had before.
Still, thanks to the "Back to the Future" Trilogy, after the company closed its doors the DMC-12 became a conspicuous icon, noteworthy even for non-car enthusiasts.
More of that, a lot of people complaining about PRV engine as worst ever v6 could be possible for such modern car... But they forgot or didn't knew what this engine well known for excellent race history: it was using in rally for Alpine A310 and exactly this engine hold LeMan's speed record even for today.
You forgot the Triumph Spitfire! (And its 6-cylinder brother, the GT6). And how about the FIAT X1/9... the apotheosis of slow fun!
Yes I know what you mean ( Triumph Spitfire ) I owned one briefly, it was slower than most ordinary family saloons.
I don't care if the S800 is slow, i would give anything to have one. Damn, thats a fury little car!
Porsche 914! As a teenager one of my neighbors had this car. On a good day off work he’d make the engine scream as he drove down this country road that snaked alongside a canal. It’s not just about speed. It’s about the tactile feedback from the car (steering, gas, brakes, tires, & body) making the car an extension of your body. It becomes an experience and things like radios become a distraction.
The RX-3 isn't that slow for a small car from the 1970s and that Honda S800 sounds pretty awesome for only having 71 hp.
On the Fiero the V6 ones had ok performance but if you swap in a supercharged 3800 V6 or a 5.3 V8 into one they're anything but slow.
Or the Australian 3.6 litre Alloytec V6
The Cappuccino arguing with the AZ-1: *I'M IN INITIAL D AND YOUR NOT!*
V6 Fieros were actually legit, they got them right after a few years. People in the US are putting superccharged 3800 V6s in them now with well over 300HP.
Hey Visio...my first car was an RX2. Posi traction..4 barrel. Super high reving. maxed it out at 135 racing a 78Supra. Very fun car.
I never noticed the rx3's rotary shaped rims, very interesting Mazda
They kinda like to put triangles everywhere on the rotary-powered cars they make
The Pontiac Fiero was a poor man's Ferrari/Lamborghini. Another issue was overheating due the coolant lines getting crushed when the car was raised up on a 4 point hoist.
Awesome finally a video with the puma !
well okay
pls do a episode about all the crazy Kei-Car´s
these thing's are awesome
i wish the cappucino would be cheaper in germany
it would make an awesome dori toy
lars ruch....this may be a dumb question, but what exactly is a kei car? I seriously have never heard of it before watching this vid....
@@branon6565 'Kei car'(light car) in Japan regulations. Has size limits and engine cannot be bigger than 660cc or have more than 64PS
I think sometimes speed is not important
Zafer Yaman just being fun to drive and good in the corners.
Agreed.
All right can you drive devel 60?
@@szymon6207 i cant and i won't last my whole life
@@ilovemanunited6179 good in the corners means speed.
The important here is be Fun to Drive! We made a lot of models of Puma. There is one at the SP2 side in your thumbnail. It was like our own Porsche. ;)
All these cars got me really, really excited. Another neat slow sports car to mention is celica, I can't believe you forgot it!
70’s toyota celica 2.0 engine would chirp 2nd gear. not underpowered. my 60’s datsun 1600 roadster was a bit underpowered. no corner i couldn’t get it sideways, though. lived near so cal hwy 2 (Angeles Crest) in high school and ditched class - a lot.
Do every corner around town as a full-power four-wheel drift, scraping the door handles, and be in no danger of getting a speeding ticket. :-)
I've always lusted after the SP2.
I'm from Brazil, where SP2 was drawn and made, and even here, is very difficult do find, and very expensive. My uncle had one, it feels like you are in a race car, amazing...until you start the engine. Then, is not so different from a Beetle, mainly because the smell of gas and lack of power.
That's why I drive a Fiat 500c Abarth. :-D
Had a 2006 Pontiac GTO that was boring as all hell.
Opel GT, Daihatsu Copen, Honda Beat, Fiat X1/9, Honda S660, Toyota Sports 800, Saab Sonett II and III, Lancia Fulvia, Smart Roadster, Toyota Sera.
Eric Glueckert almost bought a Copen a year ago. So nice to drive around on Japanese streets in Autumn with the top down but gutless on highways and really quite cramped. But now the Japanese car companies are making 1000cc versions of their most popular Kei models and I hope the Copen is next !!
I had a Sonett 3 in the early 2000's for a few years & it could go up to 180 kmh (admittedly according to its speedo) which I consider not too bad for an early 1970's car if compared to other cars of its day.
They could be slow, but the SP2 is Great looking! They even thought on making a better SP2, a SP3 water cooled. If i'm not mistaking
Good video! I didn't even know the sp2 existed...I can see where it got it's looks from... I can see why they bailed on the Porsche 924 project.
vw sp2 is a Legend!
*"Sem Potência"* 😂😂😂
You spoke "sem potência" in the right way, Visio. I'm from Brazil and it's nice to see cars from here in your video hahahaha
Oh, and as someone who had THREE Fieros (an '86, '87, and '88) I thank you for documenting this vehicle. I regret never doing 'videos' of me driving them - although there are a couple showcasing them running (but not driving!)...I also had an MG Midget. The SLOWEST car I EVER owned! Thanks again for this!
wait wait wait the fiero push 90 hp out of a 2.5L engine and it still wasn't reliable ?
was the block made out of wood ?
Like all cars, there's more to reliability than just the engine. Plenty of Fiero's hauled off to the bone yard with a still-functioning engine.
Also, as was stated in the video... give the car to someone who doesn't take care of it, and it doesn't matter if it's an Iron Duke or B18, it's not going to last long.
American manufactorers usually make very reliable engines. It is in all the other departments they make a disaster out of it...
The 2.5 had weak main bearing webs and wasn't meant for performance driving, it was taken from GM's front-drive economy cars. The 2.8 V6 used to throw a rod if abused too much or on heavy cornering if the oil was a bit low. Overall, though, the Fiero actually was quite reliable if maintained and driven properly.
The Fiero wasn't released or marketed as a sports car, it was sold as an economical commuter car that looked sporty. They were originally built with Chevette front suspension parts and basically, a Citation front-wheel drive moved to the back; all of which made repairs inexpensive.
It was called the GM Iron Duke. it was an Iron Block
The problem with fieros were that they'd rust fast and rot out because of their space frame design
The Honda S600 is quite noisy. You'd think it had a V8 up front.
I really want an SP2. Looks and sounds great
VW SP2 Is a one of the best sport car in Brazil, but without power..............in outer side, the design is mark in automotive history.. I love this Channel
The 948cc was used in the early "Bugeye" Sprite and, (I believe) was replaced by 1100 CC in the first square bodied Sprites. Later square bodies got the 12OO CC motor
A series engine in the Midget from Mk1 to Mark IV. The final incarnations of the Midget and the Triumph Spitfire shared the Triumph's 1500 engine.
2:04 For a Honda, that is awesome!!!!!
I LOVE SP2 !!! Greetings from Brazil and THX for AWESOME vídeo !!!
1. the MG Midget/A had a wooden frame
2. When I was young I had a Fiat Abart 650 TR with standard 86 hp directly from Abarth in Carinthia/Austria, with a weight of 540 kilograms that was more than enough at the time
3. production sports cars have only had high horsepower since the late 1980s
I had a 12A RX-3 and it was not slow. I was faster than the camaro and mustang of the era.
Yeah, SP2 should be faster than that....
It's very easy to tune. Just adding 2 double Webber 40 and a hot cam shaft...
Happy Birthday Visio Racer. Love your work. (You have probably been told by now: it is my understanding that the Delorean has Stainless Steel body work.)
I remember my aunt had a Fiero. When i was a kid she used to take me on rides down winding Indiana country roads, and we had a BLAST. Then I heard from my grandpa one day that it caught on fire and burned to the ground cuz it overheated. :< i'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that car though
Was expecting a list of slow sportscar. Over half of these cars have a tiny engine with good poweroutput for their size, especialy for the year they were built. You cant compare watermelons with cherries
Because in our days any monkey that can't properly speak human language has CZcams channel and poor shit in naive people's mind
What about Fiat/Bertone X19
1.5 five speed european version with 85 hp is not so slow. US version with 65 hp probabily yes...
Its Number 11...... No I am just joking
Im a Brazilian fan, nice video! Here the SP2 is a classic and pretty car, robust engine, but equal all VWs from that era, slower...
VW SP2 looks EPIC. It don't need to be fast.
i from brazil, great SP2, in this years, brazil closed importaciones, and vw create this model, engine for the beatle, 1600cc 2 carburets, and shift more long,
I from Brasil either, but the SP2 had a 1700cc boxer engine with 75 cv and the SP1 (very, very rare) had the 1600cc boxer with 65 cv.
they should bring back the sp2 into production in brazil
Still faster than my accord.
it's not the cars that are fast, it's the driver's skill.
those old Brazilian vw's are about to get popular again. swaps have finally opened the door into making them the monsters they wanted to be in the first place.
The SP2 is indeed really slow. But you have fun even driving slow.
Had the pleasure of driving one one. It's a great little car.
Where's the Fiat Multipla and the Aztek?? They are sports car too xD
Only to Forza haha
The puma on the thumbnail, im Brazilian and i assure u that the puma is one of the greatest sports car in Brazil. Also its slow. We have the gol, the lobini, puma, SP2, hoffsteter n/a and turbo, the Opala, the Maverick, the Santa Matilde, the Fusca known as the beetle, Gurgel xavante, Br800, Willys Interlagos, aerowillys, Chevrolet Omega, Fiat 147, Oggi, uno Mille Fiorino, the Romi-isetta, vw Brasília, Ford corcel, Willys gordini, MP Lafer, Willys rural, the Miura targa, Ford Landau, Chevrolet Chevette, Chevrolet Caravan, vw Santana, the Kombi known as the sambabus, Dodge polara and many others. Also to prove im Brazilian here It goes: eu sou brasileiro e sou um cabeça de biela, gosto de tudo, os importados n são os melhores, os impostos são caros e nós nos divertimos com as coisas mais básicas do automobilismo
He should make a video about BraSil alone
Yeah he should Mr rondini
Many unknown cars for us!
Many of those cars are not even brazilian, like the Ford Maverick, VW Beetle, Chevrolet (Opel) Omega, Fiat Uno, VW "Kombi", etc. Eu sou brasileiro também, mas não dá pra negar que o Brasil nunca foi um país conhecido por carros potentes.
and don't forget that volkswagen also made the sp1
You trying to speak my language, Portuguese (I'm from Portugal, my language is widely talked around the world) is priceless!
Another one was the first-generation (1978-1985) RX-7 with the 12A rotary. Peak horsepower of 101 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, with a redline of 7,000.
Definitely not impressive nowadays, but back in the post-1974 emissions years, with just 1.1 naturally-aspirated liters of displacement; the thing was super impressive.
Cappy>az1
Slow they may be, but most of these examples sounded amazing!
You forgot the VW Ghia. Debatable is the Daihatsu Cuore third generation. That thing drove like a kart. But less debatable the Daihatsu Copen. The Autobianch A112 Abarth, the De Tomaso mini. The Mini Cooper, the Renault 8 Gordini, the Opel GT (first version), Ford Capri 1.3 first version, and many more.
Also existed the VW SP1, but it is very rare, only 88 units were manufactured.
and some of then were transformed into an sp2...
Another candidate for your list might be the sport models of the NSU Prinz from Germany.
Great little video. I love slow cars that look good and have great sound. I have a Pontiac Fiero GT with the V6 and it sounds great. Also it's not as slow as the others on this list. 0-60 is about 8 secs. I've gotten mine to top put at 120 mph too.
Here is a tier of brazilian sport cars that also should be in that list of slowest sport cars:
Volkswagen Karman-Ghia, DKW Puma GT, Ford Maverick GT, Gurgel BR 500 and 800, Miura Sport, Chevrolet Opala SS, Hoffstetter, etc
2:20 NFS Porsche 2000 (5) nostalgia kicks in
Me and my mates found if you bought a ten year old fast car it was much quicker than a new fast car.
Because you could afford to write off a ten year old fast car whereas new car owners treat them with velvet gloves.
Also you could ram the new car with your old car to discourage them! 🤣
Why not
Buy new car but fit it with pieces of the old car outside
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That's Ed Ferri in the Delorean, buddy and owner of Planet BMX. That car is absolutely the best example of one.
I'm a simple man, I see cars from my country on a thumbnail, I click.
That VW got a nice exhaust mote