Roses are in Trouble
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2021
- When a rose drops "out of the trade" there's a risk that it also falls out of the hobby. Demographic changes have taken their toll on rose suppliers, concentrating some large portion of sales into "landscape style" roses. Meanwhile, old garden roses and other garden-worthy modern roses are left to individual gardens and hobbyists to preserve.
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I didn't discuss it much in the video (I was already going long) but I think Facebook special-interest groups are a promising alternative to in-person garden clubs to connect gardeners who share your goals. In Canada (only), we're working together to preserve garden-worthy roses in this group: / canadaroseexchange
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Imagine a place where we have no suppliers of historic roses, no roses are sold by name... All ancient roses are collected in suburban gardens and require precise identification. I understand what it's like to see our floral heritage disappearing day by day...Jason, you're a good guy!
My husband is a plumber and has had to dig up a number of rose bushes for plumbing and septic repairs. He brings them home for me and it has been an incredible joy to watch them thrive!! They are so happy anywhere I put them, as long as they get some regular deep watering. Happy among the periwinkle, the pasture, the vegetables... only struggle has been if I don't plant them in a way that the water can soak in well (mounds and hillsides without wells).
This channel has been an amazing discovery. Thank you!
So happy to hear about your success with roses!
I live in a condominium on a 4th floor and I grow roses in pots on my balcony. They love it and I love them...
Thanks Kate
I’m only 16 and I want a garden full of old garden roses. Hopefully they don’t become hard to find by time I get a house.
Always nice to hear from young people interested in gardening. Unfortunately, interest in gardening among young people has been declining for years.
I think word of mouth may help you. I'm not an expert but I've seen roses growing around homes in the older part of town where I live, many of them possibly mid-20th century. I think if you put the word out when you're ready over social media, you may find a number of people willing to let you get starts off existing bushes that have been around for decades.
The American Rose Society has members who cherish OGR’s. Get in touch with them
I’m 22 and I disagree! Interest in gardening is rising!
@@foxgloved8922 Good to know! I haven't noticed that yet in my locale.
I was born in the early 60’s and disliked roses as a child - a neighbour had lollipop ‘standard’ roses and Pom-Pom-clipped poodles behind a white ‘ranch style’ fence and it put me off. I loved the wild roses of UK but the first cultivated ones I warmed to were the old ones and the old-style ones. Now I’m a devoted fan. The internet allows rose lovers to communicate and your channel Jason is a delight as well as a mine of excellent information, huge thanks! I recently visited my aunt in Denmark and we pruned her roses - she cannot buy from UK at present and I can only whimper in frustration when I view the online catalogues of mainland European nurseries. Let us hope that the rose, a much-travelled plant, will be able to safely move about the world again before too long. The history of roses is fascinating, bound closely with us humans, I’m sure we’ll find a way to keep many of the old ones going strong, now that more of us are aware. 🥀
As an English Yorkshire man, roses are in my blood! Garden is thick and full of them!
Nice.
Yes, as an English Yorkshire woman, my garden has an ever increasing number of roses. They are beautiful and remind me of my childhood being brought up by my grandparents who always had lots of roses, as did many more people in their gardens. I dry the petals for tea.
@@julesmitchell9381 hello Julie from Melbourne Australia, yes what a wonderful memory to have, my grandparents were already gone to God before I was born, but l spent my young years in aged care and saw photos and stories about the roses some residents had in their lives, l now have planted a rose garden and l did it on my anniversary, and in a strange way the Roses do remind me of the residents and a time of nostalgia and class long gone, that's for sure , love your comment and God bless you and your family 🕊️🌹🌹🌹💐
A garden without roses is a travesty. The happiness roses bring at bloom cannot be denied.
I love roses, and I agree about the happiness they bring. But perhaps you are little hard on people who haven't learned about them or can't grow them for some reason? A garden of any kind, it seems to me, is a blessing.
I agree, roses are much tougher than we believe and we have to be the ones who continue to fight for rose integration, recognition, knowledge about them and love
The first roses I ever got were knockout roses, just because my local box store was having a special and they looked beautiful to a newbie. I see knockout roses now as a gateway rose. Once you start with roses it becomes an addiction and you will never settle for just another rose anymore. Two roses that I just ordered are Kordes roses, Florentina arborose, and Rosarium Uetersen and of course a bunch of David Austin's. The main reason why people won't order a specific rose is black spot. Not too many people want that when they can choose something without disease. How I discovered the roses that I have now, are just by watching rose garden tours on youtube. Filming and showing the names of the different roses in bloom of your own garden, is the best way to promote a rose in my opinion.
100% agree. Thanks Gardening Junkie
I agree with your reasoning. I have a similar story in that my first roses were the mini roses from the grocery store as Mother's Day gifts.
I have Florentine arborose. It's great. All of the roses in that series are great, and. a rose newbie I know such ordered one,
Lots of my clients have Knockouts that died. There is a new peach one that balls. I never buy roses in garden centers because you end up with mediocre stuff everyone has. And heavily promoting David Austin roses. Only a small handful of them last more than a year in the Midwest
Also, David Austin was grafting onto Dr. Huey, and the graft union died. He finally did a series of own root roses, but wow were they overpriced.
I keep moving my clients to beautiful, healthy heirloom roses. With my guidance, there is no need to buy crap.
I completely agree!!! I got a mini pot rose from trader Joe's for fun I planted it outside and now I have 7 David austin Rose's they are so rewarding . Rose's are really God sent !
Is it just me or do box store roses not have any scent, or really weak?
Thanks to you I learnt how to propagate roses and last year I managed to successfully propagate 5 roses from different old varieties I picked from the gardens of old folks living in the nearby village where I live on the mountains in central Italy.💕👍😍
I'm in Chianti. Have a couple of old roses, but that's great idea: getting varieties from Old folks.
I love my Dr. Eckener rose. It's blossoms have a lovely potent fragrance. Well worth the effort to find one and to maintain it over the past eight years.
The cultural thing you talked about reminds me so much of what my mother and grandmather said when I was younger! They never grew roses, and I when asked why, they told me that roses are "hard to grow" and need a lot of care. But when I got my first rose, I found that hardly true at all! Now my mother and I have many roses growing throughout our gardens!
Thanks Aubrey - good thing you didn't listen to conventional wisdom!
When I finally bought my first house at the age of 40, I told my mother I wanted to fill the yard with roses. She warned me: "Roses are very finicky and lots of work." I ignored her, and now have 40 roses planted in my garden, with room for 100 more. They are no more hard work nor more finicky than any other plant. Nobody thinks it's weird to feed your vegetable garden, or to have to treat your tomatoes for pests, but as soon as you have to do it to a rose bush, apparently roses are 'fussy'.
Wow! I had no idea about this. I'm a fledgling gardener that just got into the hobby recently since finally moving to a property with a yard (woohoo!). You didn't come off negative at all - you were very informative. Knowledge is half the battle! We will keep this in mind as we expand our flower beds. Thank you.
Every time a rose is hybridized it is a mathematical impossibility that the genetics of every unique hybrid can be preserved. Certainly some need to be, that is quite the task. Thanks for your input.
Roses are freaking awesome. If you want PERFECT roses, yeah, they are pretty demanding. But if you aren't picky and just want a bunch of insanely awesome flowers, they're fantastic!
Thanks so much for this Jason, I’m in the South West of the UK and got into propagating roses last year as a result of watching Mike Kincaid and your good self. I stuck around 30-40 cuttings of which only 4 survived (although I learnt a lot) but they are doing really well and I’m looking forward to having another go this year.
I love the idea of preserving old roses so I’ll take your advice and try to start researching the subject a it relates to my local area.
Thanks again, your channel is so inspiring! 🌹
Thanks Mike. And I'm sure you'll be able to find wonderful collections of old roses in the UK
You have got to try John Lord's technique....pop the cutting in the ground in October and let Mother nature do all the work...
Same here, thanks to him I managed to successfully propagate 5 roses last year!💁😄
Thank you for highlighting the the dangers of old world and heiritage roses are facing. We must try to find suppliers of these so that we can put them in our gardens before they will become extinct.
You are so right about the cultural shift away from roses; leaving only the story that roses are hard to grow. My mother, now in her 90's, remembers a big yellow rose bush thriving in her mother's garden that had tall arching canes that made a living hideout for them as when they were kids. Roses were common in gardens back in the '30's & '40's. And my mother had fragrant roses in her gardens in the 50's, 60's & 70's.
What you say it partly true in Europe as well. We live in Spain and last year I ordered quite a few rather rare Damask roses from a speciality grower in the UK. I had ordered the bare root roses in May, they were delivered in October last year and now they are starting to bud already. All roses are fine. BUT, when I went back to the growers website I noticed that there were many roses out of stock and a notice that due to Brexit they cannot ship to EU countries for the moment. The paperwork etc. is outrageous! As you can imagine I'm glad I ordered last year and feel sorry for growers and rose lovers who have to suffer due to Brexit and the political issues of Covid.
Thanks Antje. My collection would be so much easier without international borders to get in the way
Brexit has screwed up so many things both for the UK and the EU. I'm in Italy, There's a long list of things you can't get anymore. Really dumb move.
Mike Kincaid has an excellent video on Rose propagation, very simplified that anyone can follow. His enthusiasm is contagious. I don't have a heated bench with timed mist in a cold frame yet.
Very important message, don't be a gaterkeeper to your hobby. sure newbies don't do things perfectly but it's the first foot in the door that counts.
True that. I'm a big fan of everything Mike Kincaid has done for the plant propagation community
I am enthralled by the pre 20th century roses! Several years ago I was taken to a nursery in the Florida panhandle that sported a green rose! I was stunned! I don’t think the owner is still in business, but I will never forget that rose from the late 1700s! I can shamefully admit that I can’t remember the name😩
I don't have it in my collection yet, but I think it's Rosa chinensis 'Viridiflora'
On the issue you're talking about. When I was in British Columbia I ran across the rose described as climbing summer sunshine, variant Experian. It had canes that were over an inch thick and grew up 20 ft with blooms at least 4 to 6 in in diameter. The guy told me it was a repeater. If anybody knows of this one I'm definitely interested even in cuttings.
It was my honeymoon. With the memorable kiss underneath that rose
Great conversation Jason. As a rose researcher I depend on specialty nurseries for historic roses for my work. I propagate and share them with friends to try to reduce their risk of extinction.
Thanks David for your work on this!
Oh, I'm curious if you have a favorite or one that's a bit closer to your heart. I have a Coupe D'Hebe - just planted - and see that it's hard to find. I know it's a once flowering and prone to black spot. My husband built a beautiful, sturdy trellis for it so I could try to train it as a climber, which is very scary to a new rose Gardner, might I add! Was it a good idea? What roses would you suggest for a historical rose garden? By the way, this is a question for you or Jason. Thanks! (Oh, sorry. Didn't realize this was an older video. Hoping you see this anyway! ❤.
I was not aware of the drastic changes in the industry. Thanks for the information and sources for older roses.
This video has got me thinking...I’ve moved back in with my parents during quarantine and my mother has been collecting roses in the backyard for 25 years. Many of them are overgrown but thriving despite little maintenance. If I can figure out which ones aren’t copyrighted, I can start “sharing” some of these :)
Get the name, look them up on helpmefind.com and you will see if the patent is over. Usually it is 20 years, so probably most of your Mom's...but get the name.
Map them! Get some kind of ID on them somehow. Find out what your mom wants done with them after she is gone, may that be far far down the road. It's more important than you might think.
@@annebeck2208 it didn’t occur to me that the patent would run out! Thanks for mentioning that! I know she for sure has some from David Austen but not sure how old.
you can root and give away all the roses you want regardless of patent. what you can not do is reproduce and sell.
You do not need to worry about patients and copyrights unless you plan to market them
I've grown mainly old roses for decades in my southern California garden without chemicals of any kind. I've grown tea roses, Chinas, polyanthas, Bourbons and others, and at least in my climate they're so easy to care for. I love the variety of blooms, leaf forms, growth habits and fragrance of the old roses, which have so much more character than moderns roses. I think there will always be at least a few of us who prefer old roses, and there are still several nurseries that list quite a few varieties in the US, so all is not lost.
Thanks - you bet. I envy the breadth of supply down in the US.
Why do we always seem to be on the same page? I just purchased Climbing Mademoiselle Cecille Brunner 1st cultivated in 1881. She's my oldest rose. I got her and 6 others as a 15th wedding anniversary gift. I also have Pascali circa 1963. I will look for some of these roses you mentioned. I'm saddened at the thought of losing any rose at all. So much time and effort goes into producing them.
Thanks JoaAnn - I love Cecile Brunner (aka The Sweetheart Rose) but I left it behind in a move. Finally got it back last year!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm That's what happened to me. We moved and she got left behind. So did Pascali. Never again! They are all in containers. I'd give them to my friends before I'd leave them behind again. Maybe when this pandemic lets up my husband and I will visit your farm.
hi! another old rose lover here.
i agree. many old roses are so hard to get a hold of in the states! or a lot of verieties are so hard to find. however, now that i live in japan it is like old rose heaven here! i can find just about everything here. so im greatful that although they are harder to find in other regions...they arent gone completely.
Thank you - very encouraging!
Right on Jason! My daughter Hannah told me that she doesn't like roses - and of course I'm working on her - but I think at the root of it is exactly what you've brought up here - the baggage of class and preciousness that the mighty rose has been burdened with.
I've bought a lot of David Austin roses - but I'm most excited by the historical roses that people have loved for generations. I'm also very interested in the cold hardy roses that have been bred in Canada over the years.
Thanks for the great video Jason!
Yours very truly Jennie
Thanks Jennie. "Preciousness" - yes. Roses have a lot of baggage as the "Queen of Flowers".
I absolutely loved this video! So much information and knowledge. Thank you!! It didn’t feel like a downer at all - I believe it’s great to inform. Bravo!!
I agree!
Agreed!
Thanks Katie!
I love roses and this year I’m adding more to my garden
1. old roses need less care and chemistry on average than modern ones!
2. just don´t plant roses that are not robust to diseases, there are lots of alternatives.
3. average maintenance time per year and rose bush (I prefer ramblers) is about 10mins (just for cutting them, no fertilizer, no chemistry no nothing)
4. propagation: my average success rate went up from about 1 out of 15 to about 1 out of 2-3 since I have started following Jasons instructions (*thanks!!!*), which is by far good enough for me
5. I feel like old roses tend to be easier to propagate for the average rose lover like me than some high maintenance modern breeds.
6. my big problems with the roses I have are names (if you nick a twig from a rose you like you cannot ask the owner ;) , and if you ask the owner for a twig of an old rosebush, they usually don´t know the name, anyway)
Thanks Peter. That's a solid no-nonsense approach!
Without pesticides they are edibles, the petals for jam and the rose hips for tea. So yes they absolutely fit in, besides the points you already presented. Thank you for bringing this to people's attention!
Thanks Anne
Jason, THANK YOU for putting this video out. I was so happy and I rewatch it twice. You are absolutely 100% correct.
Thanks Jin
Jason, you are a kind man. So nice to watch and learn from you.
Somehow last year during the pandemic, CZcams recommended one of your videos to me. I was inspired enough to order 2 roses. I'm up to 6 roses this year (the only historic one being Roseraie de l'Havre?) But you certainly inspired one person to grow roses in their garden!
So nice to hear! Thanks
Same! I’m going to get some more soon. My grandma gave me one that looked basically dead and I just stuffed in the ground basically and it came back to life! And another I saved from powdery mildew last year that’s grown insanely big this year! I think I’m addicted
I really enjoy your videos. You get to the point and are well-informed. We have rose blight in our area so having a beautiful rose garden may be a thing of the past in this area.
Thank you for the information .. I tired once but no success I am watching more of your videos to see if I can have success with the next trimmings
When I lived in Wellington NZ the large public rose garden gave away cuttings when they pruned. If you visited when in flower,
took pictures and made lists you could get as many as you wanted. Rose club members helped the council workers it was e busy and very popular weekend
An old pioneer cemetery in the city has lots of heritage roses from the mid 1800s I used to love going to see the the unusual hips many had.
That's wonderful to hear Loris! I'm so thankful for the work of the rose clubs and public gardens
Heirloom roses is a great resource. I’ve bought 2 beautiful very vigorous blooming roses from them.
I like heirloom roses they are energized and lively. I want to grow some special roses but sometimes I just don’t know which variety needs help🤔
Thanks. I've heard great things about Heirloom - I can't order from them, but if I were a few miles to the south, you bet I would!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Don't forget Antique Rose Emporium in Independence, TX!! They ship all over the USA. I got Cecile Brunner (bush & climbing) from them....and so many more!! At one point, TX had a very active group of "Rose Rustlers" who would travel the back roads, collecting found roses (and their stories) from the little old ladies who grew them. Many of the "Rustler's" have passed away or are too old to be very active any more (demographics!!), and I am so proud and happy Antique Rose Emporium continues to grow and save those roses and others!
As always, excellent, thoughtful video. Well laid out talking points. You've sent me on a hunt for these older varieties!
Good to hear it Kathryn. I hope you find something perfect for you and your garden!
I have 3 different roses that are very old. I know next to nothing about them except the exact physical location they came from. One is a white shrub type that was growing on the farm my grandparents bought in 1930. It still grows like crazy. It did well in the clay soil we have here and my mom took it with her when they retired and it did extremely well in the sandy soil where they lived for 20+ years. The next rose is a dark pink shrub that came from a house my aunt lived at in the 1960’s, and that house was probably originally a barn that had been there for many years, not far from where my grandparents farmed, less than a mile away. The last rose I have is a pale pink shrub and it has the best scent of all three. We discovered it growing in a field where my dads family farmhouse used to stand. The house was burnt down in 1975, and it wasn’t until 2000 when the land was being developed that I realized that those roses were growing out there and could’ve been planted by my great great grandmother, as they bought that farm in 1903. These roses only bloom once each year. I don’t know how to begin determining what kind/type they are, I just know they are old varieties. Any advice would be appreciated!
Hi Linda. My best advice is to take a good number of pictures of the flowers, size and habit of the shrubs and note the timing of blooms, fragrance and other details. There are a number of good Facebook groups dedicated to roses - and your pictures and descriptions could allow members of those groups to help with identification.
What a wonderful, romantic story.
I really admire your passion! Keep fighting the good fight.
Thanks Jonathan
I used to love getting my Jackson and Perkins catalog. It smelled like roses when you opened it up 😔
Thank you for making me think!
Thanks for watching!
you have a great channel, i just started getting into roses (and peonies) and i have learned so much from your videos!
So happy to hear it. Thanks!
Hi from Australia ! Thank you for a great video and explained the problem succinctly. Here in Oz we have our Heritage Rose Society groups and it is becoming more difficult each year to purchase old roses as many of the specialist nurseries have closed as owners have retired or passed away. Younger generation are not interested in gardening generally for the many reasons you have highlighted. We furiously propagate every year and distribute among members and also to victims of the terrible bush fires of recent years also drought victims. I do despair despite our valiant efforts our wonderful teas, chinas, hybrid perpetuals, ramblers etc will disappear in near future years
Hi Bev - I wasn't sure if these demographic and cultural issues were more a North American thing. It's hard to gauge the direction of the rose hobby from just my little bottom left corner of Canada. Thanks for your insights.
Thank you for making me aware of the challenges facing rare roses. My next rose purchase will be for one of the nurseries you mentioned, specifically looking to purchase a rare rose.
I wish you had the pictures of the roses you talked about! Very good point! Thank you. I have a lot of problems with the roses here in the south, when I lived in California my roses were beautiful and all I did, dead head them when I was passing by and prune them once a year. Of course I would cut any ones with problems but never fuss over them. I was busy but I love the roses. Now I want to buy the fragrant ones that would give me beauty and smell! There are edible roses too, back in Romania we made preserves form roses and were exquisite! Truth is that you have to take care of anything you grow or it's not going to happen. Thank you again! 🤗🤗
I’m propagating roses. My most successful one is one that my great-grandmother brought to our ranch. I do not know what it is. It’s pale pink, blooms perpetually, climbs to 10 feet. I love it. Made a few Cecile Bruner. Keep failing with Belle of Portugal.
Sounds like Cecile Bruner. I have the same one.
Sounds like a rose I’m searching for, Eden rose. Its a pink climber. 💕
@@raggy369 Where do you live? I'm in Italy, specifically Chianti. and have 3 Eden roses. They're quite common here.You might try searching for it under its French name, Pierre de Ronsard.
Great info! I was not aware of these negative aspects of the trade. We should all have a at least a couple rose🌹🌹 bushes in our yards. I fell in love whit roses as a child, back then my mom used to grow them in pots on a balcony🌹🌹. Roses in pots do extremely well too!!
I am impressed with roses resilience and🌹🌹 beauty. Roses are determined to beautify our surroundings if we just given them the chance. Sometimes I propagate roses for myself and for my friends, because doing so gives me happiness to see roses develop into🌹🌹 beautiful big bushy plants. I have bought roses from W...rt, H.. ..epot, etc. even from small local nurseries. However; I would prefer to buy from someone like you, someone who has actually turned a passion into a living; the perfect source!! 🌹🌹 Unfortunately, I am aware that you do not ship to the US. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us! 🌹🌹
Thanks Coffee!
This is fascinating! I had no idea
Hi, Jason, very insightful as always ! I started to grow two roses together with perennials/annuals in my balcony. It is amazing to see how they grow from my window. I got Kordes rose and I think it was a good choice for beginners. When I was in Tokyo, roses were hobbies for housewives who can stay home, constantly take care, and pesticide them. People have to accept this condition, because it is roses. Otherwise, they are killed by Japanese Beetles or longicorn beetles. When I came to Oregon, I was surprised many people are growing roses casually. Good old videos from Paul Zimmerman were really inspiring for me. He simplified terms and explained garden roses are different from exhibition Hybrid Teas. Paul said "Growing roses are absolutely patience." that is absolutely true. In order to preserve old roses, I think we need to boost rose grower population in general. Staring from old roses is fussier. However, having Knockout roses or Kordes as their 1st roses is good start.
I love your painted tyre idea. You are a great teacher
Thanks so much!
Fabulous video, as always! Very informative and similar to the plight of certain perennials.
Really enjoyed this episode. I am in Brazil and am on a search for rose gardeners here.
What a great video....I learned a lot!
While I've collected old garden roses for a while, your video lit a fire for me. I am lucky to live in Oregon, roses are everywhere, rose companies too. But I also see huge changes - companies sold and moved out of state, or business practices changed so dramatically they are unrecognizable. I will keep collecting and keep propagating - thank you for letting us know what you see so we can each do our part to keep older roses around!
Thanks - I do envy your local suppliers!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm and they heard from me this week... you inspired me to add 12 more roses to my collection!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm an update - since writing this comment, I've purchased 38 new roses for my garden. Alba, Moss, Bourbon, Ramblers, Chinas, Polyanthas, Hybrid Musk (including Buff Beauty), etc - a wide variety, and I'm not done yet. I will be propagating these as well - anything to keep them going. Again, thank you for sounding this warning.
Learning about old roses is a little hard, would you ever do a "if you like Oso Easy try..." and list 2 or 3 OGR that are similar. I think it would be really helpful to get an idea of what OGRs I would like.
Thanks for the list of growers in the US!
Thank you for a very interesting and well delivered video essay on roses that need rescuing.I live in Durban a sub tropical area of South Africa on the other side of the world I suppose. Have been a hobbyist for about 20 years starting off with about 50 roses down to 25 now at this time as I've got older and not so energetic! We have a supplier called Ludwigs Rose here in South Africa and I will investigate from their local branch which old heritage rose I could grow here in my garden. Am very inspired by your video which surprises me as soon as our first spring burst forth is over in early October in our climate the dreaded summer season comes and with it all the pests and diseases that go with rose growing in subtopics, although very possible but lots of work in our heat. Look forward to another one 😊
The baggage of Roses is true but along with that you have a stunning and very beautiful garden. The time and effort you put into your garden definitely shows.
Thanks Janet
I'm 60 years old and have loved gardening for years but now I'm getting into probation of roses i have 8 started for the first time! I have always had luck transplanting roses from repo houses that I had a business doing clean outs and getting house ready for resale i have always loved roses and if i only knew how much fun it is to take cuttings of different roses and if my 8 starts do well I know a lot of people who have roses and I'm on a quest to collect all of the beautiful roses I can my old house had a lot of old roses that I collected! I thank you for your videos and passion for the plants and the sharing your knowledge please keep them coming and I will set and take notes! And try what I have learned from you!
Thanks so much Ron
We’ve always been enamored with roses. There are so many varieties to choose from and they add so much to the garden. We probably have about 20 rose shrubs in our (rather new) garden and would add more if we had the space. We try to promote them by highlighting some of them in our videos. We do love the old garden roses like Yolande d’Aragon and Louis Odier as much as the newer David Austin roses. Wish more people who plant roses.
Thanks so much - and good to see you out spreading the word!
Hi Jason, I like your educated approach to your presentations. It's well worth my time to listen to someone who understands and knows about his/her topic. I have approximately 400 roses with a concentration on Old Garden Roses and English roses and regular but special hybrid teas. I agree with you on the rarity of OGR and special roses that are no longer available. I have the not so formal rose garden and attempt to grow companion plants for roses which have had some success but still working on it each year. I don't normally propagate roses but have had success with layering the big long canes and then plant them elsewhere when properly grown. Gertrude Jekyll is a good one to layer. I have strong plants from the layering propagation. Just sharing my propagation work on some of my more important roses.
Thanks Brooke. Sounds like a wonderful garden - and a labor of love.
i planted a red rose many years ago. it has sometimes been mistreated but continues to live, a very beautiful flower. i would like to move it, but am afraid it will die, so will likely leave where it is happy.
very informative video, thank you! I agree, when people think of growing roses they say "its hard" I planted roses last spring and loved them and I hope they do well this year too. Like with anything you plant, you have to take care of it so it can do well.
Thanks Valeria - best of luck with your garden this year
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you so much!! :)
I am lazy gardener, recently I am so proud of myself when I saw the roses I propagated from cutting started having flowers. Since I do not have green house I only propagate them when they are active. After flowering i cut the long branches and cut them again in to 3~4 inches long then stick them in the old soil ( compact soil and not much nutrients left), leave them under other tree and water everyday, success rate was 60~70% without rooting hormones. I have rooting hormone but I was too lazy to use them😄(my first intention just try to trim old flowers off then I change my mind when I saw shooting branches😂)
I like your videos, very informative and I learned a lot from you, thank you.
It's always nice to see an example of easy propagation success! Thanks for sharing your method
I still buy from Jackson & Perkins. I saw they were part of several companies now. My mom & grandmother always bought their roses & I had wondered why they had gotten so hard to find in that early 2000 time. Once I start generating some money from my small nursery, I plan on learning how to graft & adding more roses to my collection. ❤
Thanks - that's sounds like a lot of fun!
I recently rescued 4 Perle D'Or from my local hardware store. They were reduced to $5 each because they looked awful and hadn't been looked after properly. After I rescued them, I did some research and apparently they are from the late 1800s, so I'm happy that they are in my garden. They've only been in ground for one week, but the improvement is dramatic. Can't wait until they flower next year 🥰🥰🥰
What a find Celina! I haven't seen it anywhere in Canada.
Just saw this. I have 4 Perle D'or and it's a sensational rose. Since it is smaller, I have four in cobalt blue pots in the front of my house and people go nuts!
Pat yourself on the back for having a great eye.
They are actually available at Rose's Unlimited in South Carolina. Pat Henry is wondering.
I am also lucky in that I ordered a lot of roses from Pickering. One of the roses that thrill me the most is Stanwell Perpetual, the only reblooming rose of its kind.
I am also rocking out on "Little White Pet" I love the smaller roses that I can have in multiples.
I bought Knock Out and a Party Hardy since I wasn't confident in keeping roses alive. But, now would love a Jeykell or Munstead Wood or Zephrine Drouhin. And why not old roses, since any rose so surely fits into a garden. Love them with herbs and herbaceous perennials.
I have over a dozen historical roses and love them. Fragrance is outstanding and some are really tough! Love Gloria deL’jion, a Noisette rose. A lovely apricot climber that even bloom well in part sun.
Thanks Diane. I love the Noisettes, and I have a few on order for this year.
I just had to look up the rose you spoke of and it's beautiful!! If my coupe d' hebe doesn't work out, maybe I will look for that beautiful climber!!
I propagated my first rose an old favorite called Dortman. I am training it as a pillar rose. It's a beautiful single red with a yellow eye.
Nicely done!
Great video, I had no idea. This happened to the apples, though much earlier in our history, and so many were lost. Hoping to find some hardy classic roses without breaking the bank. At $22-35 a rose it can really add up buying through retailers.
Nice insight Jason, it's deinately a world wide issue .. there are many great rose growers retiring such as Colin Dickson from Ireland due to all the reasons you've mentioned. In addition to the urban shift and people generally having smaller gardens ... the rate at which propagation of new flower/tree species are being developed is truely mind boggling... we live in a world of commerce so there's always somebody bringing new varieties which sell in droves once they get mentioned in the garden programmes/shows. I have childhood memeories (in turn 50 in a few days!) of parks with unbelievable rose beds .... all that has dwindled away in these days of austerity .... very few public spaces have great rose displays. I personally have not taken the plunge into old roses but will buy bareroots to plant in late fall this year. But i would applaud you and others to champion getting roses new or old into public spaces and not just in people's personal gardens... that almost always involves lobbying and maintaining with a gardening group rather than asking the local authority to carry the burden. Again it would be great if there were some PR for such campaigns that can be linked in across the globe.
Thanks for your perspective Harvinder. I have the utmost respect for those who volunteer their time and energy to public gardens, but I'm just not wired that way. I lean towards private efforts because to me they seem the most rewarding and sustainable. No lobbying or organizing - just direct action that benefits me, the other gardener, and gets the rose into as many gardens as will have it. Centralized efforts require fundraising and group decision-making and other things that I have no taste for - and they're vulnerable to shifts in policy and politics that can leave the project in a constant state of risk.
And Antique Rose Emporium in Texas. I've been pleased with their strong, good-size own root old roses.
I haven't been able to order from them (because of the border) but I've heard good things.
I tried to buy old roses and roses that have a perfume. Thank you from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Thanks Elsa
I love ild garden roses
I'm getting three roses delivered from Heirloom Roses this week... among them, Jude the Obscure. Seems appropriate for this topic!
Thanks Katheen - Heirloom Roses is a great supplier. I haven't grown Jude the Obscure, but maybe I'll get around to it. I've been adding more Austins of late.
This issue applies to many types of plants. When I was a boy there was at least a dozen types of viburnum you could buy - they would often be dug straight from the nursery’s land. Today you see two or three, all distributed by the two major companies who supply the mega-stores.
I also propagate my roses for family and friends.
I found Corn Hill Nursery in Canada, and contacted them. They had a large selection of antique bare root roses. I ordered 2 Queen of Denmark and a Madame Hardy.
I had to pay a $20 fee for a certificate but wow! You should see them! I also order from Roses Unlimited and from Peter Schneider in Ohio. Unlike certain companies that charge ridiculous prices (I won't mention by name a popular and extremely overpriced Nursery I see everywhere, especiallyon CZcams) these two sell roses for about $25.
Besides those roses I got r roses by Lens and Kordes. I got Lady in Red by Bedard. I got Kiss Me Kate, Earth Angel, and Felicite Parmentier and Desiree Parmentier. All for about $25 each.
I've never been a huge fan of roses, but I think I'm starting to favor them a little more. This winter/spring I've done a little bit of research and I'm planning on ordering a few unusual or rare varieties to propagate and distribute through my nursery. This video helped push me to do that so thank you!
Miniature roses and mini floras are very popular here in Australia as people have less room and they do well in pots and easicare as well.
My pleasure - and I wish you the best in the upcoming season.
Do it, they are majestic...I love them
Thank you so much for your amazing videos! So clear and precise. Keep going! I am looking to find local roses specialist in Montreal and around, if you have any cues. Thanks again !
Hi, Jason! Glad you brought this topic up because it's been bothering me for 3 years, when I lost my 1823 Amelia Rose to an errant snowplow. I used to buy from Pickering and now I can't find any nursery who has the roses I want; I live in Ontario (1/2 hr. from Belleville). Some in U.S. have them but they say they are not allowed to ship to Canada. So, please give us the names of nurseries in Canada where we could order some of the old roses, and their contact info (if possible). I will also try to contact you at Fraser Valley Rose Farm. Thanks for any help you can offer. I don't want to let all the wonderful roses get lost!
Hi Hedy. Palatine has a pretty good assortment. Corn Hill carries a few of the hardier varieties. I've had mixed results with Hortico (and their assortment seems to be dwindling). Rogue Valley in the US will ship to Canada - they do liner size own-root roses (like I do). It comes in a bit pricey once you building in shipping and phyto. The other thing I can suggest is to arrange propagation and trading within Canada through this Facebook group: facebook.com/groups/CanadaRoseExchange
I don't live in USA or Canada but I,'ve heard the same thing that they are hard to grow. I grew a plant when I was in high school. I grew it from a cutting. I want to try it again. I love roses that smell nice even if they are not that beautiful. I'm currently interested to grow wild roses from seed. Thank you for your videos.
My pleasure - happy to hear you're exploring all parts of the hobby.
At least with the roses I have, I'm impressed with how they thrive with even a little care - and can still survive with no care or downright tough conditions. As for growing practical plants, I enjoy eating rose petals and rose hips from some varieties (White Dawn and Blue Girl are wonderful for edible rose petals.) I've noticed plant catalogs have many fewer varieties of roses than they used to (and other plants, too), and I wondered why. So thanks for explaining what's happened. It's too bad.
For sure - roses are so much tougher than people give them credit for. Thanks for mentioning the edible petals and hips. I make a mean rose hip/crab apple jelly.
❤ Black Beauty ... I have it too in my garden 1 year old
Jason, up until 2 summers ago I failed with roses. But last year about 5 made it through the winter, so I bought about 9 more and learned a lot from you. This year I have more ordered that cost a bit more but I feel I've learned enough that I can spend a bit more on some better roses. This really has nothing to do with your video but I wanted to thank you for making it possible for me to have roses without going to buy cut flowers that only last a short while.
Thanks Dennis. So happy to hear you're adding to your collection and having success. Have you added any Austin's yet?
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm no but I will try to find a place to get them. Not sure what is so special about them, but any time someone talks about roses. They mention his so I need to get educated.
Just a lot of good breeding - and a lot of the charm of the old garden roses. I also love the Kordes roses, and I hear great things about True Bloom roses (although I can't get them in Canada yet)
I am doing what I can to preserve the rose TANelorak (Taboo / Barkarole). I've had one for ages and this last summer I decided to try to root cuttings from it. I had an almost 2/3 success rate for my first ever attempt to root rose cuttings.
That's a really great start!
I think anyone who associates roses with privilege is an idiot. For the most part, roses do great with little care and amazing with a bit more maintenance. Roses are a workhorse in the garden. I have several that bloom until the first frost in NJ 7a. In fact, my neighbors ask me for tips and stop by to compliment the roses so they’ve been a catalyst to getting to know my community a bit more.
You're so right. Roses are so much tougher than people give them credit for! Have a great season
The University of Alaska botanical garden has specimens moved from sites they'd survived in for decades with no attention. These are not wild roses, but made it through eras of 60 below Fahrenheit.
Wow - those are some tough roses!
@@sanniepstein4835 Can you name any roses which have survived. I've toured the UofA and don't remember anything in particular about roses except those which were developed at Brandon, Manitoba. Thank you.
You are so right. When l worked full-time my roses got a bit of attention throughout the year but not much and we had flowers during a U.K. summer. Last year at the start of lockdown l was ill and had a lot of time. To attend to the roses and this year they are magnificent and covered in bud.
We even moved a beautiful 30 year old plus rose that was here when we moved in all those years ago as it was in deep shade and not happy. It had roots that were about an inch and a half wide. It looks ok and even has two flower buds.🤗 Looks like it has survived the shock and a wet, cold and grey U.K winter.
Great info and insight into a problem that is not just in the rose industry!
I have just purchased two white roses for my moon garden but I'm looking into the best roses for my food forest.
Roses are great in a food garden because they have great potential for attracting pollinators but rose hips are a great food source.
In all modern industries they have gone towards ease of production for sales instead of what is best practice.
The reduction in availability of heirloom vegetables is not just sad but in fact dangerous for long term food security.
Rose hips are a valuable source of A, B, C, & E and the hips stay on the plant and are available over winter when food from your garden is often low.
I would think that modern roses are not produced for their large hip capabilities so anyone that has a suggestion for a rose that has good seed pods for food I would live some tips.
Hi Cathy. Scabrosa and Frau Dagmar Hastrup have particularly nice hips in my garden, but all the rugosas are pretty good. Good point on the use of roses for wildlife - I find my untamed roses in winter to be a frequent hang-out of small birds.
When I moved to Central Texas from the Gulf Coast, I decided to try my hand at roses as I'd never succeeded in the Houston soil. I'm not a huge fan of azaleas, so roses were my go to. My grandmother loved them. I've done remarkably well. I have one rose tree, a Jacob' Ladder that is nearly 20 years old and blooms wonderfully, even after going to two years of a hard freeze I worked hard to keep from my roses. I have a hard time finding some roses and one, my actual favorite, the name has become lost to me and I simply cannot find it anywhere, and I've looked through too many catalogs and web pages looking for it. I would love to find a plant and propagate in any manner I could. Roses are not picky. I ignore mine almost to the point of negligence, the same as I do my orchids, which, thrive on my inattentiveness. I make sure they are watered, dead headed, and fed nice fertilizer with their beds being mulched once a year. I get beautiful flowers I leave up for everyone to admire, and I get quite a few people walking into my front yard to take pictures. I would love to help with heirlooms.
Your garden sounds lovely! But I did have to laugh when I saw your definition of negligence, as it pretty much described my most dedicated level of garden attention, though I am not so much shiftless as inconsistent. Best of gardening luck to you.
Nearly 20 years ago I crossed Gertrude Jekyll and the common Oregon eight pedal rose and I have the coolest rose that I call Elliot. It never gets more than 3 ft tall has incredibly fragrant eight pedals roses that bloom singly. But all that you'd expect but what's interesting about this rose is that root suckers and that's how it spreads rather than by seed. I've never been able to get the seeds to sprout from the hybrid
Very interesting video Jason on the history of some of the notable roses. Not necessarily on topic but I do have a rose related question. It's the blooming season for me, zone 9b, and I'd like to know if I should be watering and feeding more now than after blooming occurs. Thanks.
I love this topic. The only thing I miss is the reason why we should preserve all this rose heritage. Well, I think it's interesting for the heritage itself but could be a more practical reason as having a huge genetical variety if someday appears a disease who treats the rose cultivation (as it's happening on Banana plants with fusarium and elms with the Dutch elm disease).
Fantastic video highlighting the disappearance of so many of our favourite roses. I just watched a video from 1993, 'Old Roses Rediscovered. Historic roses, rescued roses' (Major Esterhazy is the channel name), where a fellow from the UK travels around the UK and the USA looking for historic roses. He finds a good deal of them in cemetaries in the old gold rush towns of California. You would find it very interesting! I am off to clip an old rose at a house around the corner from me, in Chilliwack, that will be demolished. Hopefully, I can get some cuttings growing. I am really excited that you are near me; Pickerings was a long way off! I hope to be able to drop in when things normalize again. Cheers!!
Thanks Michele. Always nice to hear from a local rose-lover
I’m a newbie to roses. Three years ago I planted my first two hybrid tea roses. Then my brother brought me a rooted cutting from my great-grandmother’s rose bush that has gone wild on the old farmstead. She planted it in the late 1800’s. I have no idea what kind it is, but it propagates itself by sending out shoots from its spreading roots, just like raspberries do. The flowers are white/blush pink and smell wonderful. Any ideas as to what kind of rose I would look for to find out what variety it is?
Hi Carolina. The suckering roots remind me of a gallica - but most of those are a mid pink (to darker). 'Duchesse de Montebello' is a softer pink. Maybe have a look at some pictures and see if I'm on the right track.
I sure wish more Canadian rose growers would ship to the U.S.
That pesky border seems to hold things up both ways!
Right? I feel the best roses for my area (Minnesota, it gets ridiculously cold here sometimes colder than Alaska or Antarctica during it's summer months) are Canadian raised. Tundra trained roses meeting with deathly cold winters? If they survive that, they can go in the ground here in MN 😂
Let's hope covid takes a hike soon 🙏
I live in Reunion Island and Bourbon roses (old roses) are original from there. Bourbon is the former name of the Island. You won't believe me if I told you that here there's no old roses available on the market, except for one nursery only who made a promotion campaign a few years ago with imported roses. By the way, any average gardener can't import plants by mail because it's forbidden . The reason is that this would protect endemic plants in our island by limiting pests and diseases from imported plants. Yet, nurseries import plants but they're put in quarantine once arrived. In short, I really want to buy a lot of old roses but I can't;
Oh and most important. I propagate thefew old roses I bought during that promotion campaign only by cutting and it sometimes work but I need to do 10 or 12 to have one or two successes. Thank you for your video. You've put words on my deep thoughts for all these years.