In addition to things you have shared, Pres Nelson has encouraged us from the beginning of his presidency to "increase [our] capacity to receive personal revelation," to "Hear Him," and to be taught by Jesus Christ himself.
I have a testimony about everything happening today. Your post is very timely. I'm a 2 time breast cancer survivor. I had just started chemotherapy March 2020. I prayed to ask Heavenly Father if i should one get the shot and two continue chemotherapy. The answer was no, do not get the shot. Yes, stop the chemotherapy. I knew this was against my doctors advice, but Jesus Christ has passed down his power through the Holy Ghost. I turned to my husband and priesthood leaders for a priesthood blessing. I'm still here, i was cancer in 2022. I've conquered cancer twice through the Grace of God. I have been diagnosed with breast cancer again for a third time. I will continue to trust God to heal me this time, too. I'm using holistic methods. I've changed my diet to more vegetarian, and i use Asea Redox supplements. Also, I am sensitive to the 5g towers. That's another story. I would gladly explain how that contributed to the cancer.
And President Bensons talks. He gave some landmark talks. Pride and Book of Mormon and on the constitution. Also the Proclamation on the Family from President Hinckley.
Thank you sweetheart for your support of our Prophets and Apostles. We need to be watchful and pray to be led by the Holy Ghost. You are so sweet and precious. 💖
In JST Matthew 24:24, you brought to our attention the last phrase. What's also important is the first part of that phrase: IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. That tells me that when we do the things that keep us living within our covenants, as we've been counseled by our living prophet, it will NOT be possible for us to be deceived.
@@elliotmorrell425 2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ... but ... Mathew 4 6 kjv And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. ... the devil is quoting scripture here he knows scripture better then we do witch scripture? ... psalms 91 kjv 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. ... so if the devil knows psalms 91 he knows 2end Thessalonians 2 vs 4 so my point is let me play devils advocate lets say i became the Anti Christ and i know 2 Thessalonians 2 vs 4 and i know i need to never goto the temple and say i am God never shewing himself that he is God i can so lots of other naughty things and make God a liar and why would we have faith in God to save us if he lies? he might be lying about saving us the Anto Christ has come or we are going to lose
I read that to mean, "if you can believe it.". IE, it will be shocking when you see faithful LDS falling to these deceptions. And I certainly saw that with so many putting masks on in 2020 and 2021. It was difficult to believe so many could fall for it. Awful.
I know we are safe if we keep our lamps always burning because the prophet always keeps his lamp burning. But the Foolish didn't apply that counsel to keep buying the oil from the marketplace as the wise did. So the foolish were without oil. While the wise had plenty of oil for the journey to go out and meet the Bridegroom because they obeyed the prophet to get the oil.. But they didn't have spare oil to give to the foolish because you can't convert for someone else....The oil of personal conversion is not sharable. This is why the prophet says you must have your own testimony, you must know for yourself, you can't live on the borrowed light of others.
An important point to remember - the letter from the first presidency said to listen to trusted medical professionals and government officials. Both the medical prof and the officials were for and against shot & masks. It was left up to us what to do. It was not a commandment either way. I chose to listen to different medical professionals and government officials than you and still know this is Christ's gospel upon the earth and that Pres Nelson is his prophet!
So President Nelson as an example got the shot. He also encouraged anyone who was in the high risk category to get it but he didn’t tell anyone that our salvation was dependent upon this one medical thing.
I got Covid in February of 2020. I got deathly ill, but worked through it. I had been less active so I never heard what the Prophet said at the time, but when my work tried to force it on me my whole Being said NO! This is the same feeling I had when deciding whether to go back to work after my first child was born. That answer shook my being as well. I am certain that we are to pray about all things. I don’t feel that I went against the prophet, but I went through a tremendous amount of opposition for my views and lost my job over it. My personal views are that anything that the government tries to force on us needs to be scrutinized, immensely! The Lord doesn’t force anything. He invites and admonishes, but never does He force us.
You followed the prophet perfectly. The letter in Aug 2021 was a parable. It's purpose was not to get 100% compliance by membership - because taking "it" has nothing to do with our exaltation. That letter had other purposes - like sifting and going under radars. On top of that, if one actually studied that letter - it left room for both choices (take poyson things or don't take them and protect yourself in other ways). The opposition you encountered was encountered all around the world. It was unacceptable and unChristlike. But if we endure it well and ignore it and realise that it is all part of the sifting, we will be stronger for it. After all of that, anyone who focussed on just that one letter and ignored all other communications on the topic were being very "myopic" as President Nelson taught us about. We live in interesting times.
Some people have been brought into disciplinary councils and excommunicated for teaching people to not wear masks and to not get the jab against the words of the Prophet. I'm glad you were safe from this and that you followed the Holy Ghost as you should, protecting yourself and your loved ones
This was a great video. You are spot on. I have several friends who left the church because President Nelson and the First Presidency gave a statement about the shot. I must admit I had to do some serious praying to know what I should do and think. What I learned: President Nelson is the Prophet for the whole world, not just the USA. There were countries who wouldn't let people out of their houses without getting it. I have many weird allergies and went to my doctor who told me NOT to get it. My husband had to get it for his job. We went to the temple, prayed and received the answers we needed to make the choice for our best interests. I did not get it, my husband did...after he got a Priesthood Blessing. The Holy Ghost has witnessed to me that Russell M Nelson is a true Prophet and I will listen to his words. If I have a question I pray, and pray HARD. Yes we are in a war with evil but if we stay close to the Spirit and hold to the rod, it will be hard to deceive us. Thanks for this.❤❤❤
Yeah it was a rough time for many when the brethren started pushing the shot on social media and through their leaders in the stakes. Many left the church because of churches pushing the vaccine. I never seen the church align with man in that manner before in my life.
What this woman in the temple said about the prophet of Zion is not even correct. For all the scriptures point to Zion being in control in the hands of the Lord in the last days. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Zion is of the Anti Christ. Or that the saints are preparing for the 1000 year reign of Anti Christ. For the scriptures teach that Christ reigns on the earth personally for a thousand years with his saints in peace and righteousness. The scriptures tell you that the Lord speaks his voice from out of Zion in the last days..And in Zion will be peace and joy and everlasting songs..And the meek and the poor shall trust in it, and zion and her convert shall be redeemed with judgement and with righteousness (Isaiah)... That is hardly the description of an anti christ kingdom. And that is why the Lord has got living prophets and apostles on the earth to speak for him in our day and time from out of Zion. Joel 3:15-20. Because Zion is the Kingdom of God. The foolish virgins somehow got it wrong, they were not consistent in filling up their lamps.
I believe each person must pray, as you've said. I prayed about our leaders, and I know President Nelson is a true Prophet of our Heavenly Father. I have been a member over 4o years, and I prayed before I joined and the Holy Ghost witness to me then just as He does now. We must stay faithful and obedient to God. Then we will not be deceived.
I played very hard as well about getting the vaccine, but honestly could not get an answer. I wanted to follow the prophet but could not feel good about getting it. I went back and forth for a long time, in the end I used my own research & listened to what my inner voice was telling me & chose not to get it for many reasons. I still do not understand the prophets stand but I am glad I didn’t get the shot but still support our prophet.
I couldn't agree more with what you have said regarding President Nelson and the other Apostle's and Prophets of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints! These men are the true Prophets of the Lord! Sincerely, Brother Powers
In early Spring, 2020 I felt the whole thing was wrong from the start. This was long before they rolled out the Vs. I prayed very sincerely why the church would be supporting what I believed to be an evil agenda. Each time I finished praying I had the overwhelming feeling from the Spirit that it was indeed wrong and I should not participate. I guess I didn't want to hear that answer, so I kept praying asking the same question...and getting the same answer. Finally on June 17th I prayed and told God I would stop doubting Him and accept that answer. The following morning, a little after 4AM, an angel visited me in my bedroom and commended me on my faith and that I was indeed correct in what I was doing. The angel was a young woman who was dressed in a pure white robe. She even gave me her first and last name that she had in life (whom I later matched up with her obituary). After it ended, I was left with the most powerful and overwhelming feeling of peace and joy in my entire life.
My family was blessed for not supporting it. I work on a military base and I never wore a mask even though I could have been arrested by the federal mandate. God protected me. None of my family got sick even though we never participated, and my son was held back to receive his mission call 2 weeks after the church ended the V requirement. My family saw miracles because we stayed faithful in staying away from the antichrist system.
Isn't that wonderful. To know that the Lord can give you personal revelation and that you can know that what his prophet's are doing is according to his will as well. Our brethren did not support anything specific and if we studied that letter - we could know that members could take "it" or not take "it" and still be following the prophet.
@@fightingfortruth9806 - Did you stay by the tree? My family was also blessed by doing what you did and most importantly staying by the tree and ignoring the naysayers in the church buildings :) It strengthened our will to follow the Lord and not listen to people who would put words in the Prophets' mouths. I did not hear of any v mandate for missionaries. There is always an option to not v and stay in ones country.
I am glad that you prayed. I didn't have a problem taking them. Honestly I guess I just feel like that whole thing got out of hand but I am glad that you had that experience I think that that is so neat
As we visit the Temple as often as we should and sincerly, prayerfully, meekness with all the fiber of our soul, Our Loving Heavenly Father through the power of the Holy Ghost will reveal the sacred revelation that one could feel confident, the peaceable, overwhelming truths. One would know and not be deceived. In our Savior's name. Jesus Christ, Amen.
AMEN!! I'm only about a third of the way through the video but I completely agree. A couple years ago, I saw a lot of false Christ attitudes and people on FB, Telegram, and other social media. I stopped following FB groups, etc, and I don't spend much time there anymore.
Regarding the shot, Pres. Nelson also said to speak to your trusted medical provider, to pray about it, and to make your own choice He was trying to calm the people who were thinking the shot was the Mark of the Beast.
@@d.porter3142 I didn't get the shot because I felt it was wrong for me. Strongly felt it was wrong. I never once, ever, thought that Pres. Nelson was lying. Never. Still don't. I don't know why you or anyone else would jump to that conclusion (i.e. "he lied").
Nelson and the brethren said the vax was safe and effective, posted it on social media as a miracle, talked about it for 2 GC's, and the lower leadership pushed it for a year+. A dark stain in church history similar to blacks and the priesthood
@@d.porter3142 @lostinthailand9487 The Prophet urged people to do all they could to be good global citizens to help quell the pandemic by getting immunized, wear masks, and practice safe distancing. He encouraged us to speak and counsel with medical professionals and said “Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination.” We each were given the opportunity to practice an earlier quote from our Prophet about how we would not survive spiritually without learning to hear the Holy Ghost and learn how we hear Him. This incident really did cause people to study, ponder and pray to receive an answer for themselves. Interesting to me is that people felt impressed by the spirit for their personal circumstance.
If they lost their testimonies over the shots,is so sad they never had a testimony.a young girl who joined the early church history wanted to go west with the saints. Her father asked her what if you get their and Brigham young said the church isn’t tue, what will you do. She said I am sorry for you brother Brigham. I know it is true. That’s a testimony. It is independent from others . The Holy Ghost bares truth that we all must seek if we are to survive in these last days. Carol. Apostasy will come when you start thinking that way. Carol you covered this beautifully. Thank you
Perfect timing with a live stream going on right now with a certain Chief. You will never go wrong following our prophet. Three nurses and I witness a miracle today right in front of us. We have the gift the priesthood.This is the true church. Think back on the miracles you have seen. Ask for the power of the Holy Ghost and you will never be deceived.
Not sure what problem you have with the “Chief”. He doesn’t pull you away from the church or the prophet. He might vent! I believe he has history & evidence that the Book of Mormon is true as prophesied would happen in the last days.
Yes, it is so clear and obvious that he is a false prophet. He even has stated that he is the Davidic servant in the last days, and that he has scriptures or scrolls that are superior to the Bible and the book of Mormon. So even the elect, even though they have been shown, and told about this guy still will follow him, very sad.
You know how many people like to say, "But the prophets aren't perfect and they can be wrong, and so I need to receive my own revelation about this subject that thr prophet has spoken about." Well, it is true that we are meant to seek after our own revelation from God, but it is to confirm our understanding and faith in what the prophets say, not to open up thr possibility that we will receive revelation contrary to what the prophet has said. That is the high road to apostasy - to think that you know better than the prophet. If you think about it, have the scriptures ever said or given an example wherein a person was excused from following the prophet because the Lord told some individual differently than ehat the prophet had said? No, the Lord's house is a house of order. The miracle is that the Lord can lead us correctly through fallible people, not that he makes them perfect. And we are not excused from following them even though they have got certain things wrong or confused at times, for a time. In "Two Lines of Communication," President Oaks teaches clearly thst priesthood revelation and personal revelation are meant to support each other, not to compete. Wonderful talk.
Agree with what you say. I would only say - the prophets have not gotten anything wrong and we will find out in the end the deception around anything that we think they were wrong on. As for the letter about taking the "thing" that communication left room for members to take "it" or not take "it" and we were still following the prophet. So he got nothing wrong there as well.
Kaitlyn, thank you for starting this channel and this topic!! ❤ I really look forward to hearing more from you! I'm 67 yrs old, but am honestly still an infant to the gospel, as I was active until my mid twenties and then inactive until approx 6 years ago. Needless to say, I need all the good help I can get! And actually there are some CZcams podcasts that are kinda starting to push the envelope on whether they truly support and sustain the prophet and church leaders.. I've heard some good, and even great ideas they share, but it's frequently laced with some ideas that could confuse some members, and it could create some feelings of distrust towards the general authorities, if you're looking for someone who could lead you away, to believe that some church policies are wrong, or questionable, and they create controversy. So thank you for your strong testimony and faith. Please keep telling it real. And don't ever start mincing words, especially when it comes to the church! ❤👍Thanks!!
This all counts down to the fact that you have to listen to the spirit! There are many many saints around the world that will never be deceived because they have learned out how to HEAR THE SPIRIT!!!! That takes a lot of practice. Many people across the world can't even read and write and they can't go into deep study. Maybe later on Heavenly Father will help them learn but you CAN'T DEPEND ON ANY PERSON TO BE COMPLETELY 100 PERCENT ACCURATE IN THEIR INFORMATION. You have to take everything to the Lord for YOUR OWN CONFIRMATION!!!!!!!! Over learned this over 71 years of trying my hardest to follow Jesus Christ! Yes, in an old lady! LISTEN, READ, PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOOD THINGS IN THE WORLD AND ALWAYS "FOLLOW THE SPIRIT"!!!!
I'd like to add to what Kimberly Olsen (below) said. I too struggled about getting the "vaccine". I was torn, and prayed about it a lot before I came to my decision. It came down to this: I believe Pres. Nelson IS the Lord's prophet on the earth today. I don't think the Lord would let His prophet deceive or misdirect His church. However, I can, and do, ALSO pray to get feelings, guidance, and answers for myself. I concluded that I WOULD follow the first presidency's admonition to get the vaccine. I figured that maybe part of the reason to encourage us was so the government would have no excuse to shut the church down further, especially TEMPLE work! I also prayed that if there WAS anything harmful in the "vaccine" that the Lord would neutralize it so it would be harmless to those who did go ahead and get it. (I was 68 at that time) I only had the first two Phizer shots, with no ill effects that I'm aware of. I have no plans to get any additional shots, but I'm going to pray about each instance that comes up, and then do my best to follow the Prophet, and my heart. It really doesn't matter if we live or die. But the intent of our hearts matter, and our willingness to trust the Lord to guide us as we navigate these last days. And I accept that we might not always fully understand the whole picture. Each of us has to have our individual conversation with the Lord, and follow the promptings we receive. It will ALL work out in the end. 😌
@@Jeanie-nv7lo The only thing I heard at first was that the first presidency was saying to go ahead and get the vaccine. I didn't see a written statement, or anything else at that time. Perhaps I missed it or it came out a bit later. So I was just going on what I was aware of at that moment. None of my comments were meant negatively towards the leadership or President Nelson. I was just trying to explain the process I went through, at the time, to make my decision. I'm not sure how that's a poyson shot.
The presidency is from a different generation,president Nelson is Surgeon, he had to make those choices. They travel, they also had to make decisions for the whole, not just one. You make the decision as seemed best for yourself. Use your own free agency. He is still a prophet and I believe that’s why he’s saying you much keep your own testimony strong! So your ability to choose what’s best for you may not be what’s best for others. Respect and love to all!❤❤
It’s crazy that you posted this video today because last night, I was in the comments of two LDS CZcamsrs. And I just straight up asked them both, have you seen…. And if so, how can you still support…. They both told me they have seen…. One of them said they were working on a response. The other referred me to an interview where they defended…. I told them I will definitely watch it and get back to them and they ❤️ the comment. I watched the full 50 minute interview and my mind was blown. They went as far as to take a scripture about the second coming of Jesus Christ, and leave out the verse’s about Christ coming and the mountains being made low and valleys disappearing, in order to make it sound like it applied to…. So they could use that scripture to defend…. I could not believe it. I did write a long response to them pointing out all the things I could remember from that interview that I took issue with and why. And I explained that I wasn’t doing this out of hate or judgement, I’m doing it because what I’m seeing goes against the kingdom of god. I have not gotten a response. I asked the other CZcamsr about his viewers being possibly deceived by certain content he posts. He said he doesn’t think most peoples testimonies are that weak. I responded by asking him, if only one of his viewers has their testimony damaged, isn’t that one too many??One of his viewers responded by saying that we are responsible for our own testimony and we’ve been instructed on how to protect it. I responded by saying that we are also not supposed to cast a stumbling block before others, and I reminded him what Cane said to the Lord after he slew Able. “Am I my brothers keeper?” Yes. We are our brothers keeper. Maybe it’s my own ignorance, but I cant believe I am witnessing members of the church offering up their platforms to be Satans P.R. Campaign. My watchlist has been narrowed down to your channel, as well as Jared from Christian homestead. David Alexander Sometimes ward radio depending on the video. And a few come follow me channels. By the way, thank your for sharing your temple cleaning experience. The way you related it to the prodigal son was perfect. Really enjoyed both of your videos today
I always appreciate your comments thank you!! I appreciate you lifting your voice for truth. I agree that if I caused one person to lose their testimony I would be held accountable because of the information that I provided that caused it. I think we should treat everyone like they have weak testimonies because we are all capable of being deceived…
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn thank you. And I 100% agree. My grandma has roots in the foundation of the church and she was telling me last night that a relative of hers was next in line to be the prophet. But he refused to acknowledge that the polygamy at the time was ordained of god and he left the church and lost his testimony. If it can happen to someone like him, as well as the witness to the gold plates. It can literally happen to any one of us. I appreciate what you said about my comment because sometimes I’m afraid to post them because I’ve only been studying the gospel for a little over a year. So I’m afraid of posting false information. But I try to go with what the spirit tells me.
@@AnticipatingChristsreturnIf your intent is too preach by the Spirit, you have no problem with whether people get offended or not. I wouldn’t worry about it. I just subscribed to your channel. I heard about it from Jared at Christian Homestead channel. I’ve called out many LDS channel owners and members commenting over their COVID comments, including talking about the CZcams videotape of the SandPoint Stake Conference. I lit into many of them for bashing their Stake President and the Area Authority Seventy there. I explained that the jab was not a sin and that the Church wasn’t pushing the vaccine. These channels attract ex members of the Church who brag about leaving the Church, along with members who bragged about not getting the vaccine and commenting how President Nelson was a false prophet. I’ve left FB, after having criticizing them for their sins or people trashing me for my political vote or the vaccine, including Church members. I write negative reviews for most social media apps, I give them feedback and I’ve let them have it for many reasons. I’m just disillusioned with people in the Church on social media. I find very few channels whose owner can teach by the Spirit. You do. I appreciate that. Please keep it up. People in the Church are just mean to one another on social media. Always teach by the Spirit if you don’t want to lead people astray. Always listen and obey the Spirit. Never teach Church doctrine without the Spirit.
@@cindlou7335 I received a spiritual witness of the savior that changed me forever just a few months before my 30th birthday. I’m 31 now. So that’s why I say maybe it’s my ignorance because compared to most members, I’m still a baby. But I never would have thought that soooo many members of the church are this out of touch with the holy ghost. It’s such a sad thing to see. I know have a new understanding of where Russell M. Nelson is coming from when he constantly pleads with us to prepare for the second coming. The strong members are responsible for helping to look after the weaker members. And I’m not calling myself a strong member because I’m not perfect either. But those of us who hear the Holy Ghost have a responsibility to try to help those who struggle to hear. Up until this point, I guess I just assumed that most members knew the scriptures on a level that made my own knowledge and understanding seem amateurish. I just feel let down, but I also am sad for them and for our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how else to describe how I feel about this whole thing.
I agree, I think the elect- doesn’t mean those in leadership positions, but anyone who maintains a temple recommend, and is fully worthy. It is that precious soul whom they’re trying to deceive.. .. My heart goes out to the woman in the temple, who honestly thought our prophet might be fallen. That’s so unfortunate for her. Thanks for sharing this with us!
When the prophet encouraged (not commanded) us to get the shot immediately known it was something that he wanted me to consult my Dr and ponder about. Im tired of people blaming him for how it turned out. We need to have the spirit with us and not blindly obey what we think the prophet said.
@@lostinthailand9487 you need to go re-read that letter. Read like a lawyer would read. They didn't encourage everyone to take the rona vaccine specifically. They just said, "To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective." You can interpret that phrase any way you want to interpret it. There are lots of vaccines. Lots. Also, which "severe infections"? "Such"? What does that even mean? You need to forgive him, and do whatever you need to do to reconcile yourself to this, because it's still bothering you, obviously.
@@lostinthailand9487 1. "urged" not "commanded" 2. The spirit told that what he meant was for us to consult our Dr and ponder if it was right for us. 3. What would have happened to the saints if the church was against the shot? Especially since some of the powers that be are attacking Christianity.
@@justjamie6458Bang💥. The LDS Church has been compromised. As far as I am concerned, ALL Religion made the choice to take the side of Global Corporate Agendas when they went tax exempt. If one were knowledgeable they'd know about The WEF and The United Nations Agenda 21 2030.... Equality, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion acceptance.
@@justjamie6458 - what comes to mind when I think of the scenario of what happened in church members homes is the words of this little story: A few months before I was born, my dad met a stranger who was new to our small Tennessee town. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer, and soon invited him to live with our family. The stranger was quickly accepted and was around to welcome me into the world a few months later. As I grew up I never questioned his place in our family. Mom taught me to love the Word of God. Dad taught me to obey it. But the stranger was our storyteller. He could weave the most fascinating tales. Adventures, mysteries and comedies were daily conversations. He could hold our whole family spellbound for hours each evening. He was like a friend to the whole family. He took Dad, Bill and me to our first major league baseball game. He was always encouraging us to see the movies and he even made arrangements to introduce us to several movie stars. The stranger was an incessant talker. Dad didn't seem to mind, but sometimes Mom would quietly get up - while the rest of us were enthralled with one of his stories of faraway places - and go to her room read her Bible and pray. I wonder now if she ever prayed that the stranger would leave. You see, my dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions. But this stranger never felt an obligation to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our house - not from us, from our friends, or adults. Our longtime visitor, however, used occasional four-letter words that burned my ears and made Dad squirm. To my knowledge the stranger was never confronted. My dad was a teetotaler who didn't permit alcohol in his home - not even for cooking. But the stranger felt he needed exposure and enlightened us to other ways of life. He offered us beer and other alcoholic beverages often. He made cigarettes look tasty, cigars manly, and pipes distinguished. He talked freely (too much too freely) about sex. His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing. I know now that my early concepts of the man/woman relationship were influenced by the stranger. As I look back, I believe it was the grace of God that the stranger did not influence us more. Time after time he opposed the values of my parents. Yet he was seldom rebuked and never asked to leave. More than thirty years have passed since the stranger moved in with the young family on Morningside Drive. But if I were to walk into my parents' den today, you would still see him sitting over in a corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures. His name? We always called him TV.
Many church members have spent their whole lives glued to media - have allowed it to define words and concepts. Members trust what the people on their screens tell them. Sometimes they trust it more than the prophet. My family chose to not have a TV and only look at media together and scrutinise it's claims. This has been to the saving of our family through the covaids lies.
President Wilford Woodruff (1807-98) declared that we can have full confidence in the direction the prophet is leading the Church: “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray.
There is more than one way to interpet that statement. You could argue that he meant that the Holy Ghost will clearly tell you that the prophet is teaching false doctrine and you should not follow it.
@@fightingfortruth9806 yes I agree we must learn to listen to and follow the Holy Ghost which the true prophets teach. Hear Him is the cry of President Nelson which for me rings true. We each must come to know for ourselves or we may be deceived by the philosophies and wisdom of men in these last days. This is my story and testimony. I was raised a Lutheran by a Catholic father and Lutheran mother who rarely attended any church. They however made sure my brother, sister and I were sent to church. I'm forever grateful for parents who cared enough to see that I got some religious training in my youth. I'm grateful to the Lutheran church for introducing me to Jesus Christ the Son of God. By the prayer of faith and the witness of the Holy Ghost I learned as a child that Jesus is the true Son of God who lives today as a resurrected being in heaven with God the Father. I know that he atoned for the sins of all mankind on the cross and opened the way for the resurrection and salvation of all men. In my early teens I questioned my parents, church and leaders on their authority and knowledge. I rebelled against society and became a hippie looking for love in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things. However, God in his great mercy chose to chasen and awaken me to the error of my ways. This happened at Woodstock 1969(when I was 19) during a near death experience while I was abusing my body with those bad things of the day. I found myself in hell tormented by all my sins and then reflected upon my childhood belief in Jesus Christ and called upon his name to save me. He heard my voice and delivered me back to life. I was born again and made a promise that day to change my life and go and do what the Lord wanted me to do. He led me by the Bible and the Holy Spirit over the next nine months to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where I was baptized in the Atlantic Ocean at Smith Point Fire Island, NY on June 27th 1970. I know by personal revelation and the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and He has led me to the prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which I know to be true by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please seek, read, ponder and pray concerning these things and you too can know they are true by the power of the Holy Ghost I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
@@fightingfortruth9806 I agree we must have ears that hear and eyes that see so we can see eye to eye in the Lord. The Holy Ghost will help us to "Hear Him" who president Nelson has challenged us to do. This is my testimony and story which has set the pattern by which I continue to seek greater knowledge and truth as I humble myself before the Lord and His anointed leaders. I was raised a Lutheran by a Catholic father and Lutheran mother who rarely attended any church. They however made sure my brother, sister and I were sent to church. I'm forever grateful for parents who cared enough to see that I got some religious training in my youth. I'm grateful to the Lutheran church for introducing me to Jesus Christ the Son of God. By the prayer of faith and the witness of the Holy Ghost I learned as a child that Jesus is the true Son of God who lives today as a resurrected being in heaven with God the Father. I know that he atoned for the sins of all mankind on the cross and opened the way for the resurrection and salvation of all men. In my early teens I questioned my parents, church and leaders on their authority and knowledge. I rebelled against society and became a hippie looking for love in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things. However, God in his great mercy chose to chasen and awaken me to the error of my ways. This happened at Woodstock 1969(when I was 19) during a near death experience while I was abusing my body with those bad things of the day. I found myself in hell tormented by all my sins and then reflected upon my childhood belief in Jesus Christ and called upon his name to save me. He heard my voice and delivered me back to life. I was born again and made a promise that day to change my life and go and do what the Lord wanted me to do. He led me by the Bible and the Holy Spirit over the next nine months to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where I was baptized in the Atlantic Ocean at Smith Point Fire Island, NY on June 27th 1970. I know by personal revelation and the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and He has led me to the prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which I know to be true by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please seek, read, ponder and pray concerning these things and you too can know they are true by the power of the Holy Ghost I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
Incredible podcast Thanks! “Follow the Prophet don’t go Astray” I find that when I stay close to the Spirit and involve Christ in my DAILY life - decernment is present for me. Like you less than minutes I see the Bad Medicine” a native description of something not right or good! I am Native American and was taught to be aware of evil and the deceiver. As a member of the church I see it too. Staying close to God our Creator is the only way to keep us away from the deceivers. And lately there has been movements in deceit!! God Bless us!
We got the shot because, my son has left lung problems. My husband was told that if he got it he would die. I wanted to protect them. I prayed for a long period of time about this than the prophet said that, it answered my question.
This was one of the lies the media told about how effective the shot was. But it didn’t really prevent anyone from getting covid. Most people got it multiple times who had been vaccinated.
The prophet still respected our agency even with the SHOT . He no doubt was concerned how many could die because of COVID... And not that many people over all, had a bad reaction from the shot. He never commanded us to be vaccinated.
There are more reactions than you would like to admit. But every individual had their own choice on what specific "thing" to take. I took natural remedies as my "v" according to c-d-c new definition of "v"... so I followed the prophet perfectly and stayed healthy and never got the sickness.
I would say he gives us to what we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as gives doves! In other words he gives us what we need to then take the issues to Heavenly Father in prayer and receive our own revelation as to the truth for us personally. We have to put in the time with him to get the answers. NO OTHER WAY!!!!!
Our leadership gives us what we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. In other words , they give us the information we need to then to take it to the Lord in personal pray to get out personal answers regarding these issues. Joseph Smith told us he taught the people principles and THEN they governed themselves. He didn't tell them exactly what to do .......God did in personal prayer, he governed their lives if they were willing to put in the time to take their concerns to him in prayer. I'm not saying we don't need prophets and apostles. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH! I love the mostly MILK they feed us at conference! But it takes study( reading esp which i could improve on more), talking to others, listening to others but i think most of all discussing these things with our Father in Heaven!!!! When our phones are laptops are useless, or someday when the internet goes away, when hard times we cannot even imagine come, when we may be isolated from our leaders or even friends WHO CAN WE DEPEND ON? OUR PRAYER AND GREAT PERSONAL TEACHER, the one we've been depending on all this time! Sorry but this was a good discussion to talk about! I have strong ideas about it!
Excellent points! I would add that our temporal preparedness ought to include some things for temporal spiritual preparedness. If there is a time when we don't have access to the gospel library or the internet, or our prophets, we ought to have what we can in hard copy. Things like our scriptures, the conference addresses, our patriarchal blessings. I fear too many rely on digital versions of everything, and if we loose power or the internet, it will really spiritually hobble folks.
@@SegoLily - I recently created "The Book of Russell"... I compiled all of his talks from when he was called as an apostle (I'm a little behind now and need to add new ones). I printed it out and it's on our bookshelf :) starting on my "Book of Dalin" next and then My "Book of Henry" and so forth.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Oh, that's such a good idea! I love that! In 2020 I started to make it a point to always get the journal edition of General Conference, so I will have those in hard copy (and a few especially meaningful ones from before that time). I also printed out my patriarchal blessing, and my mothers, fathers, and grandparents. And I've tried to get any particularly meaningful pictures printed, as well. And I bought an updated road atlas. You just never know what's coming, and having a few things like that brings some peace of mind.
Let's see exactly what Jesus says For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, IF POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant. And whoso treasureth up my word, SHALL NOT BE DECEIVED. We have the Gift of the Holy Ghost and we are commanded to FEAST upon the words of Christ, more especially from The Book of Mormon and the continuous revelation from one general conference to the next. Indeed, we are frail in our humanity, but what is being urged upon us? HEAR HIM. THINK CELESTIAL Charity is celestial. Continue striving to surrender our will in the will of Christ until His will becomes our will. OVERCOME THE WORLD: the bondage of SELF!
My thoughts exactly. I keep saying to my husband - I don't think there are many members studying scriptures... because if they did, they wouldn't be being deceived as they are.
I listened very closely when the prophet speaks. Encouraged us to take the shot. He didn’t tell us we had to. He specifically said. We’re going to shut down the churches to be good citizens. He never said you must get the shot. Present Nelson truly wants us to learn to use the personal revelation that we been promised. In reality in today’s world, so many things need to be by personal revelation.
Yes, and we need to remember correctly what happened - because he never said once out of his mouth that he urged us to take "it" - it was a written letter. Not once were were advised or admonished to take the things that our governments forced on us. They used their words carefully and we should have listened very carefully to what they were really saying and not saying.
In Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Chapter 27 "Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy," there is much that explains how ignoring our priesthood leaders makes us vulnerable to apostasy: “I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives.” Heber C. Kimball, while serving as a counselor to President Brigham Young, reported: “I will give you a key which Brother Joseph Smith used to give in Nauvoo. He said that the very step of apostasy commenced with losing confidence in the leaders of this church and kingdom, and that whenever you discerned that spirit you might know that it would lead the possessor of it on the road to apostasy.” There is more; I suggest reading the whole chapter.
@@kennethmoake1448 - agreed with this quote. I believed it and now I am seeing it play out. Those who are telling everyone to not trust the prophet also want to set themselves up on a pedestal, like they have some secret knowledge. OR... they have nothing to offer as an alternative and just want people to be bitter and angry.
I want to add my testimony as well. The prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, President Russell M. Nelson is a true and living prophet. Called by God. Appointed to lead us directly in these times and days in which we live. He will not deceive us. Everything in this video is good and true and right. Because she is correctly pointing all of us to our living prophet today, and not away from! If any are in doubt. Remember "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." John 13:20
Read the Official Declaration #1 in the Doctrine and Covenants. Wilford Woodruff received through revelation, the answer. The Lord will never let the Prophet lead the Church astray.
I was unsure about "the shot" but when Pres. Nelson received his, I felt more comfortable with it. Pres. Nelson seems so loving and caring and I know he has received inspiration for all of us. I have never been able to grasp how some people could think otherwise. For me, witnessing the come follow me come out and then COVID keeping us from physically going to church was certainly something that increased my testimony about our living prophet receiving revelation in our day.
Your words could be misunderstood to mean you think those of us who didn't take "it" weren't following the prophet and we have less faith than you think you have. Would you like to rephrase what you said?
Agree 10000% about not needing to look outside the collected scripture for increased learning. There is MORE to learn from the Book of Mormon and Isaiah than most of us have taken time and effort to gain.. 1 Nephi 1:1...having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God,... The prophet pleaded with us to desire to understand what the fullness of the Holy Ghost might be like. The prophet wants us to have a higher holier life! How many times has he counseled us to increase our reception of revelation and prophecy in our lives? That we will not be able to survive the last days without it. He is telling us to go to the source, as he is, and be taught. Not seperate from his council at all but in harmony.
I would say to hover as closely as possible, LIGHT, follow that light and stay as close as possible!! Light cannot allow any darkness in, and the more you stay in it, the safer and surer we will be.
True. We have 15 prophets. Oaks will be in the lead soon... It's talking about the 'hello Saints ' page. All of those bishops entertaining preachers. Bishops are the elect too
I haven’t listened to much of his stuff but I actually liked the one with tyler griffin (I think that’s who it was) I feel like different faiths having discussions is good if it’s done in good faith. Some of the stuff that I’ve seen with just him he is critical.. and picking things apart.. yet when he joins with faith filled people I feel like they are just helping him understand better and it helps because I feel like they can defend the faith when they are on… 🤷🏻♀️ (but like I said I haven’t watched most of his videos so I don’t really know much about what’s been going on) this video wasn’t really about that channel.. but if it helped I’m glad 😆
Some additional information. Chief migegah of the ojibwe nation and the birch bark scrolls. The nemenhah records. "New Zealand skeletons in the cupboard "
Regarding the shot, I remembered. I think it was Thomas S. Monson who said that we didn't have to take the counsel of the prophets by their word but that we could go and ask for ourselves and listen for the Lord, who would give us testimony. I did this after hearing the prophet about the shot. I did have to back my thoughts up and be willing to accept what the Lord's counsel is. I was distinctly impressed that I was okay not to take the shot. I'm glad I have a relationship with the Lord and can sustain His prophet. The Lord doesn't want us to follow blindly but to have a mind for ourselves.
And the Lord said that to you because the urging from the brethren gave room for both choices - take poyson things, or don't take them and use other remedies instead. Each decision was following the prophet.
Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
About the shot , i was very desturbe if i should get it or not then those thoughts came to my mind. Follow the Prophet he knows the way. After that i did feel peace. But it is true, we have to make our own choises.
THANK YOU! The people sowing seeds of doubt and preaching against the prophet are themselves the fulfillment of these prophecies about the last days. Ironically they try using latter-day scripture and revelation to refute latter-day scripture and revelation... I've learned that the gift of discernment for me operates a lot like the prophet Joseph Smith's statement "by proving contraries, truth is made manifest." Some falsehoods are so near the truth that rather than have a lightbulb moment of discernment in the moment, it is revealed to me over time as I contrast that over and over with other truths I already know. Also, when in history has it ever gone right for people who rejected the prophets?
Answer: never gone good for those who reject the prophets. And this is the contradiction that amazes me. These people who question the prophet but say they adhere to the scriptures then have to do mental gymnastics to explain their decisions.
Ezekiel states, “If a prophet is deceived into giving a message, it is because I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet. I will lift my fist against such prophets and cut them off from the community of Israel” (Ezek. 14:9 NLT).
This was great. Thank you. We still get to choose. President Nelson, a doctor, I felt he did what the Gov wanted. My children didn’t get it either. I think of the 12 article of faith. Anyway this was a good discussion. Thank you.
World Bank document 4/2/2020 Said they would get govt leaders, media, and religious leaders to push Covid protocols… because of peoples’ worries about liberties being taken away. Absolute truth and that’s how it went down.
@@mysterypro_music - our church leaders did not push anything. You may need to go over what was communicated again with an understanding of english grammar and definitions. The prophet did exactly what the Lord commanded them. There is scriptural precedent for what they have done in the past 5 years.
I feel like those people who minimize the prophet by saying things like “we don’t have to be told by the prophet, we don’t have to wait for the prophet to tell us, my own personal revelation over the prophet’s revelation” and so on… these are the people with higher chance of being deceived.
The scripture the woman was probably basing her belief upon was Daniel 11:22. This section is commonly understood as an Apostle or even the Prophet being deceived by the anti Christ.
Thank you so much for your courage with this video! Also, as far as the shot…Stratagem (where have we learned about that?) was necessary for a worldwide church. As a lawyer, Morgan Philpot points to the words and punctuation in the Church’s statement. Immunization vs. vaccination etc. They told us to figure out how we Hear Him.
Just like all scripture... we were supposed to study the living prophets' words out in our hearts and minds. We studied everything they said on this matter together (not just that Aug 2021 letter by itself) and came to the same conclusions as Philpot before he talked about it on his videos (he probably worked it out immediately as well). I tried to talk about it online and was sensorred immediately on all forums. Truely felt like 10 virgins story where I couldn't share even if I wanted.
I was accused of not believing in the prophet or church anymore by those who are really close to me because I didn’t feel I was supposed to get the shot. Even when I pointed out that I saw wisdom and stratagem in what the church was doing. We have a right to personal revelation for ourselves and I chose not to go against the revelation I received. I think Heavenly Father expects that of us in all decisions. To not blindly follow but to study it out in our hearts and our minds. The How Do You Hear Him campaign was a timely gift that we should continue to employ. The use of stratagem was taught so consistently in The Book of Mormon. We should expect the confusion to continue and that will require continuous personal revelation.
And in regards to the Antichrist I have a hard time dismissing the explicit detail given in Daniel and Isiah- it could be an institution but there are so many personifications used to describe it or him.
According to the guide to the scriptures “Antichrist See also Devil Anyone or anything that counterfeits the true gospel plan of salvation and that openly or secretly opposes Christ. John the Revelator described the antichrist as a deceiver (1 Jn. 2:18-22; 4:3-6; 2 Jn. 1:7). The great antichrist is Lucifer, but he has many assistants, both spirit beings and mortals.”
Hi Sister, I just found your channel. You mentioned when the spirit told you to get out of something or somewhere and referenced a video. Which of your videos is that?
Pres Woodruff said one day in the salt lake valley one would not be able to tell the difference between an enemy or friend of the church, that is unless you have the spirit of true desernment. Don't have the exact quote, sorry. Just had some friends who left the church try to convince me with my family to move to Missouri with them to prepare for the Saviors return. Funny how they want me to follow them as if they are the prophet. They think every prophet from JS to today are fallen, except JS.
It's happening more... and the pattern I see is they are one of 2 types of people. 1. Like you say - they set themselves up to be the prophet. 2. They have nothing to offer other than trying to save you from the church... but take you nowhere.
It's interesting that people make non-shots, climate, gender aso their religion and leave the true church. 2 Thimothy 4:3-4. We hear what we want to hear, either we want to hear the Holy Spirit or we want something else and there will be other spirits talking to us and we must never forget that the evil spirits imitate the Holy Spirit to mislead us.
Absolutely! It’s so sad! That’s why following the prophet is so important, because we can deceive ourselves with what we want to hear and call it “personal revelation”. Personal revelation always will align with the gospel of Jesus Christ and what has already been revealed. As for the shot.. I wish I never even mentioned it in my video because people took that to be the point of this video.. which really the point was that we have a prophet today who is pleading with us to choose to overcome this world, to follow Christ, to have the spirit, to gather Israel…. All the things.
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn - don't be sorry. If it is an issue that needs to be talked about. You are absolutely right - IT'S ALL THE THINGS. I wrote an article back in early 2022 (which was so censored that I still can't post it anywhere) about how so many had made the shot the ONLY THING. Accusing so many and persecuting those who didn't take it. The point of my article was that our prophet has invited us to do ALL THE THINGS - so many invitations in all of his talks since he was called as an apostle. One letter and how one applied that council does not trump all the other things that make a saint - like - being part of the Lord's youth battalion, having social media fasts, making time for the Lord, spending more time in His Holy House, getting rid of contention from our lives, developing charity - just to name a few THINGS. So many saintly principles needing to be addressed in our lives. But... for those of us who didn't take it... it has been a hard road to travel alone. We have been gaslit for years now by members and family over this issue. There are still many who don't realise that they followed the prophet in not taking the "thingies". For those of us who didn't take "it" and remained by the tree, we need to support each other in our decisions. Thank you for making a safe space to communicate this.
If you don’t want to be deceived then start studying from true doctrinal sources on not being deceived. I suggest using the citation index app and looking up talks with the key phrase “be deceived” as an exact phrase under talks. Yes you can be deceived, but you don’t have to be. The Spirit of God cannot be deceived.
23:16 it’s true there are those who would “add in” to lead some from the truth. How do you feel about it when the church “leaves out” things which are true, but which might not be faith promoting? What do you think of Boyd K Packer’s claim that not all truth is useful to be shared? It happens with big things such as the BOM translation process and smaller things such as saying that we comply with zoning ordinances in temple building while simultaneously pressuring cities and towns under threat of litigation to grant wild exceptions of over 100 feet for steeple height. Both sides should be seen for what they are, what they say, and what they do.
Read 1 & 2 John closely. On multiple occasions the antichrist is defined as ANYONE who denies Jesus Christ. It isn't just one person we should be waiting for.
Clearly it is possible because it is happening before our eyes…people that have made covenants and yet leave the path… how does that happen? I wish I could remember the exact verse. It was within our study of the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Christ within the last month. Something about when we sin against the light and truth, than we can lose that knowledge and forget what we once knew. I will get back to you on that reference.
We need to be educated in the scriptures and the gospel teachings, as well as be visiting the temple as often as possible, practice in prayer for your descernment to be strong and clear, and doing & practice things which will invite the Holy Ghost to be and stay with you at all times. If you're not sure, and you are earnestly asking in prayer, the best and safest thing to do a long with those things is to: 1. ALWAYS stay as close as possible to your church authorities, including your Bishop, and his counselors. The closer we stay to our ward leaders, stake leaders, etc, the greater body of the church won't lead you astray. And you can ask for a blessing for protection and discernment,. Rely upon the priesthood holders and ward leaders to advise you, if you can't find an answer, and trust that they will be truthful, and help you!
The elect won't be deceived. "If it were possible." The point is that if it was not for the Lord protecting us, even we would be deceived, the deception is going to be that great.
Thank you. Good insights. Incidentally, a Russian version of the Bible reads this: For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. This is a slight but significant difference from the English version.
I think that it says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened...insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:22-24
Line upon line, precept on precept that is how he guides us, that is how he teaches his children. Line upon line upon line upin line upon line upon line....upon line.
Message to the whole world. It's enough. It's Time Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Almighty The Creator of all Will INTERVENE. Jews, christians, moslims...changed the scripture of God ❤❤❤Almighty The Creator of all. They created their own religion claiming it's from The God ❤❤❤Almighty. Allaah ❤❤❤The Almighty The Creator of all Will INTERVENE.
I have become rather exhausted with the CV narrative pertaining to the Prophet. More specifically I felt the spirit at times in my life that were pointing me in the direction of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And a year after being baptized, I saw people on both sides of that argument telling me that if I don’t get it, then I’m going to be cut off and others who said if you get it, then you will be cut off and anything else in between. But what I knew is that the Holy Ghost fell upon me when I read the book of Mormon and pointed me towards Truth that I never thought even existed let alone could’ve been true. Other things which I learned dead at the bottom of my heart, I desired to be true, even if it meant that I would not be in the celestial kingdom because at the time I was not baptized, but just the knowledge that what I was taught about heaven, as a child was not God‘s plan but rather the machinations of men. And that the doctrines that I had come to discover was everything I knew in my heart had to be true. It has become evident to me that there are knowledges which confirm latter-day saint teachings which have survived, but I don’t understand how it is that people think President Nelson is not a prophet. All I know is the patriarch said “Be patient in your endeavors and remember that the church is Divine.” And our patriarchal blessings have proven themselves many times over to be true. And it has become apparent to me that some people seem to be looking to other voices To be a prophet for their lives.
Beautifully written. Our reactions to others personal choices also became a test. There was a lot of finger pointing, judging, looking down on another which brought division in families and wards and communities. Fortunately we can all repent 😊
@@RebeccaGroendyke yes another consideration. Is that in my stake a general authority asked us a question “ The next time, a Prophet, asks you to do something will you do it?” Some Internet people took offense to this as clearly did someone in my stake, and blasted it out on the Internet. As for my stake president he seem to over the years, feel impressed, too warn us of the dangers of Podcasts, and how some of them will lead people into apostasy. I think he was right regardless of how he feels about CV. I know that prior to this being a giant stink that was getting blasted on the Internet for a short while I had questions and respectfully brought them to my stake president.
@@JCal-f1f - loved what you said and agree with your testimony. Just on the topic of your stake conference with your area authority and what he said.... it was apparent he was pointing a finger at those who did not take the shot as if they didn't follow the prophet. I watched it. It was disgusting that they were still talking about it... when it was never instructed to be talked about from the pulpit by church leaders. His inference that those of us who didn't take it, did not follow the prophet is insulting and wrong. He was flat out wrong. His question - will you follow the prophet next time he asks you to do something is a great question... but it shouldn't have been attached to the persecution he was still inflicting on saints who were still at church after all these years of manipulation by people like himself. very sad indeed.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo good I’m glad he was pointing a finger at people like me who did not take the shot. But I still heeded their council. If the goal is to bring people into a state of unity, the Lord cannot afford division I am aware of the tendencies towards pride on both sides of the camp. listening to my aunt who is a protestant talk about the actions of her pastor as she sees it, which is that he went off to Haiti and brought back some type of illness that led to many people in his church, getting sick and dying in some cases and apparently he was the first one to get ill and my aunt decided to leave that church because as she sees it, he never took any responsibility for the consequences of what she believes he is responsible for. Therefore, I don’t see an easy answer other than to be one for if we are not one, we are not his I don’t care about apologies I don’t really care about opinions, but what I do know is that God made good on his promises which were set in motion before I was ever latter-day saint and praise God Amen.
It’s coming from I think Isaiah. There are no prophetic quotes that say the prophet can’t be led astray. There is one said in an offhand remark that everyone used. You need to do more research.
President Wilford Woodruff (1807-98) declared that we can have full confidence in the direction the prophet is leading the Church: “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray."
"Decent advice", if he was the prophet, wouldn't he have put his foot down and say no. In modern days they seem to follow the social media,for example the priesthood and blacks. Thank u for the video,I feel your concern. Please look into what they call "prophet worship". And confirmation of baptism. Eye operner
The problem with the prophet and the jab is that people forget he wasn't telling us to 109% get it. He also told us to Pr😢ay about it. My husband needed it or couldn't get a transplant. So for us it was a yes. If you prayed and got a no, you followed the prophet. I also was a temple worker and it was required. There are so many false prophets. A good example occurred in Idaho. We should only follow those who follow the prophet.
The church did not require anyone with a calling to get the jab. Don't know about employees. If you were told you had to get it to be a temple worker - you were lied to. That was not required by the church, otherwise all patrons would have been told they needed to have it. You may have been duped by local leaders.
25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The prophets last response to that message was to seek you own revelation. He never demanded. he gave you the free agency of you doing your research and asking for personal revelation. That has been his message since he became prophet.
Shen you say reading the B of M over and over, and that it may sound boring, we need to remember that God won't send/ give us more than we're prepared to receive. There aren't that many members who know the Bof M that fully, including the rest of the scriptures. Then he will allow more revealed to us.
Upon my house shall it begin and from my house shall it go forth. The inhabitants of Zion will judge those who are not prophets and apostles, but are hypocrites. The one mighty and strong will set the house of God in order as well. All is well in Zion (the church is in a good and acceptable condition) is a lie of the adversary to slowly drag members down to hell. How come all isn't well in Zion? Are we not growing, building temples, and does President Nelson not gush over the members and praise them for their faith and sacrifices? What could possibly not well with the church? Who took over the vineyard, necessitating the need for the Lord to destroy his enemies, bringing about the redemption of Zion? Who are the miserable wicked men in the parable of the husbandmen in JST Matthew 21? What I see this video is a strong reliance on the arm of flesh and not the scriptures. The reason we do not have the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon is because we are in a state of great wickedness and unbelief as Ether 4 states. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 explains why we are in this state, and Isaiah adds that it's because our leaders are corrupt. Joseph Smith said the saints' minds were darkened in his day because they were putting their trust in him, so the idea of relying on a prophet to avoid deception is a lie. The Lord says all that Isaiah wrote has been and shall be. What has been in Isaiah? The apostasy and destruction of the Lords covenant people. What shall be? The same thing will happen to the saints, save for a small remnant who repents at the word's of a servant described in 3rd Nephi 20-22. I would bet many Jews were told to say close to Caiphus in his day. Similar events will happen today.
Yes, you need a strong reliance on the scriptures. In the scriptures we learn about Prophets. The Lord speaks to Prophets so that they may guide, warn, direct and be a watchman and can help bring about Zion … oneness. We are millions of people with millions of ideas and opinions. The Lord established a house of Oder and a way for us to not be so confused in a sea of voices. He speaks the mind and will of the Lord for the Lord’s Church and gospel. Doctrine and Covenants 1: 38-39. There is a scripture that talks and warns about those that wrest the scriptures. We must be careful as some will twist and interpret scripture to work for them in their favor of the natural man. We too are the arm of the flesh. We also learn in the temple when we speak ill of the Lord’s anointed, we are in the power of the adversary. Even Jesus ( in 3 Nephi) told the people to go home and pray over the things they had seen and heard. That is the part where we do more that just rely on the flesh when we actively seek the spirit to confirm and teach the truth be it the words of our Prophet or those in the scripture. So it is this balance (scriptures, Prophets, prayers, the Sacrament, covenants, doctrine, etc. )that provides a 2nd witness and helps us stay in check. Prayerfully the word (scriptures) renew your covenants weekly at the Sacrament Table, prayer, listen to the Prophet. Yes, the Prophet is a man but what makes him different is that he has been called, chosen, set apart, anointed, appointed to receive direction through the keys in which he holds and has been given. He, by the virtue of his calling is blessed to see things that we can’t, is privy to information that we don’t have. It is up to us to heed ; pay attention to the Prophet’s words and pray over them as to how we can apply them in our lives. I feel that where we are not well in Zion is like when we are members of the Church in name only verses being intentional in our testimonies of the scriptures, the Prophet, covenants, the Savior. We must work for the blessing of really knowing and believing and cultivating the kind of faith that moves mountains. I feel those that say and believe all is well in Zion are those that believe they are beyond being deceived, those that think they it is enough to just be members without actively applying what they learn…surface members rather than being “all in” kind of thing. Hopefully and prayerfully, we can overcome the world and be the people that the Lord will return to.🙏🏻🤞
@@RebeccaGroendyke You simply do not believe the scriptures. Read the ones I quoted. Ask the Lord to open your eyes to things as they really are and you will see that understanding scripture is only wrested by those who do not go to God directly for understanding, and who do not truly want to know the truth, because it goes against their faith in man and in institutions.
@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs I do believe in the Scriptures and have for as long as I can remember. I pray every single day to see through the eyes of the Lord. I seek to understand and do His will above all else. I love my Heavenly Father and Savior more than words could ever describe. I look to Them in every thought. I have a constant ongoing conversation with Them over everything. I have been a witness to tender mercies and many miracles. My faith has been tried AND obedience to principles of the gospel has always proved to be true. My favorite scripture is Isaiah 55:8-9. I am keenly aware that man’s ways and God’s ways are vastly different and everyday all day…I seek His higher holier ways. I am not perfect, the more I know and learn, the more there is to overcome. I look to my Heavenly Father and my Savior in every thought. When I read my scriptures, I am constantly asking What does this mean? What do you want me to learn? How am I to apply and liken this to myself? I make notes as thoughts come. I ask the Lord all the time to open my eyes, to remove the scales from off my eyes…He knows how much I desire to Hear Him and I do go to Him to know from Him. I do have moments of weakness and go to others to help me process some of my thoughts. It is in those times that I realize there are so many voices and interpretations. I am so grateful for a loving Heavenly Father and Savior that have a gospel of order. Articles of Faith: We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
First the Church does not believe in the anti-Christ but believes in anti~Christs. I have never heard of the Prophet leading away many from the Church. The Prophet isnot infallible so he can be deceived but not to the point that he would lead an apostasy.
I talk about the antichrist in my video about how it is basically Satan.. which then goes to every other aspect of our world. I agree with you that it’s not one person, rather it is anything that opposes Christ.
There are many antichrists but there is an Antichrist, also known as the man of sin. He will be taken over by Satan (as Judas was) when he is released for his little season.
When reading our scripture we need to really read it. Many people assume the elect will be deceived. Yet, the scriptures say “…IF IT WERE POSSIBLE , they shall deceive the very elect.”
Are you not seeing that members are being deceived? I think you are mistaken to think that we won’t be deceived. President Nelson and others have said other wise too.. also in Luke 21 he says “8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.” Take heed!!! Guard your testimony, protect it, do the spiritual work required.
Yes, it is critical that we really read the scriptures carefully. If you read the JST for Matthew 24--which is Joseph Smith-Matthew 1-- you will have a slightly different understanding of Matthew 24: 24. Read JS-Matthew 1:22. The word "were" is not there. The sense we are left with is that there will be some of the elect for whom it will be possible to be deceived. Keep in mind the elect are all those who have made covenants with God, not just leaders.
That you for making my morning better. Side note, Not once did the Prophet say get “the shot”. He said he believed in vaccines, got an injection himself, and then said we were to go pray and study and receive revelation for ourselves and our families if the medical treatment was correct for us. So who has been deceived? The Prophet or those who are offended by being given a choice? That being said the anger is real when you have local leaders and members trying to bludgeon their fellow flock into “obedience” by claiming “the Prophet said”. No, you misinterpreted what the Prophet said. He isn’t wrong, your understanding is.
Correct: the prophet didn't push anything and we don't even know what he took in his shot. But when the local leaders (not everywhere) put words in President Nelson's mouth and manipulated, persecuted and as you say bludgeoned their flock, it was an awful situation indeed. You could call those local leaders false prophets. They changed doctrine, told members they were going to hell etc if they didn't take it. Disgusting behaviour.
In addition to things you have shared, Pres Nelson has encouraged us from the beginning of his presidency to "increase [our] capacity to receive personal revelation," to "Hear Him," and to be taught by Jesus Christ himself.
Exactly - 2 NEPHI 32:6
I love this..and have this scripture as a reminder hanging up ❤ "whoso treasures up MY words shall NOT be deceived " JST Matt 24: 39
Yes!!!!! I love that!! 🥰🥰
I have a testimony about everything happening today. Your post is very timely. I'm a 2 time breast cancer survivor. I had just started chemotherapy March 2020. I prayed to ask Heavenly Father if i should one get the shot and two continue chemotherapy. The answer was no, do not get the shot. Yes, stop the chemotherapy. I knew this was against my doctors advice, but Jesus Christ has passed down his power through the Holy Ghost. I turned to my husband and priesthood leaders for a priesthood blessing. I'm still here, i was cancer in 2022. I've conquered cancer twice through the Grace of God. I have been diagnosed with breast cancer again for a third time. I will continue to trust God to heal me this time, too. I'm using holistic methods. I've changed my diet to more vegetarian, and i use Asea Redox supplements. Also, I am sensitive to the 5g towers. That's another story. I would gladly explain how that contributed to the cancer.
Bless you and prayers for fast healing❤❤❤❤
@@IBeLieveInChrist07 Thank you 😊 🙏 💓
Thank you so much for sharing sister. Yes miricles happening daily now 🎉
I have never felt the spirit so strong and powerfull while listening to a prophet as I have from president Nielsen
Nelson
Same. Actually, right when he was sustained, I had the feeling “he’s going to be a prophet of a time time like no other time in history”
And it’s true
And President Bensons talks. He gave some landmark talks. Pride and Book of Mormon and on the constitution. Also the Proclamation on the Family from President Hinckley.
Thank you sweetheart for your support of our Prophets and Apostles. We need to be watchful and pray to be led by the Holy Ghost. You are so sweet and precious. 💖
In JST Matthew 24:24, you brought to our attention the last phrase. What's also important is the first part of that phrase: IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. That tells me that when we do the things that keep us living within our covenants, as we've been counseled by our living prophet, it will NOT be possible for us to be deceived.
That little phrase is often forgotten
@@elliotmorrell425 2 Thessalonians 2
King James Version
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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but
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Mathew 4 6 kjv
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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the devil is quoting scripture here he knows scripture better then we do
witch scripture?
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psalms 91 kjv
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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so if the devil knows psalms 91 he knows 2end Thessalonians 2 vs 4
so my point is let me play devils advocate
lets say i became the Anti Christ and i know 2 Thessalonians 2 vs 4 and i know i need to never goto the temple and say i am God
never shewing himself that he is God
i can so lots of other naughty things
and make God a liar
and why would we have faith in God to save us if he lies?
he might be lying about saving us
the Anto Christ has come or we are going to lose
I read that to mean, "if you can believe it.". IE, it will be shocking when you see faithful LDS falling to these deceptions.
And I certainly saw that with so many putting masks on in 2020 and 2021. It was difficult to believe so many could fall for it. Awful.
I know we are safe if we keep our lamps always burning because the prophet always keeps his lamp burning. But the Foolish didn't apply that counsel to keep buying the oil from the marketplace as the wise did. So the foolish were without oil. While the wise had plenty of oil for the journey to go out and meet the Bridegroom because they obeyed the prophet to get the oil.. But they didn't have spare oil to give to the foolish because you can't convert for someone else....The oil of personal conversion is not sharable. This is why the prophet says you must have your own testimony, you must know for yourself, you can't live on the borrowed light of others.
@@elliotmorrell425thank you. Yep. IF IT WERE POSSIBLE.
An important point to remember - the letter from the first presidency said to listen to trusted medical professionals and government officials. Both the medical prof and the officials were for and against shot & masks. It was left up to us what to do. It was not a commandment either way. I chose to listen to different medical professionals and government officials than you and still know this is Christ's gospel upon the earth and that Pres Nelson is his prophet!
So President Nelson as an example got the shot. He also encouraged anyone who was in the high risk category to get it but he didn’t tell anyone that our salvation was dependent upon this one medical thing.
I got Covid in February of 2020. I got deathly ill, but worked through it. I had been less active so I never heard what the Prophet said at the time, but when my work tried to force it on me my whole Being said NO! This is the same feeling I had when deciding whether to go back to work after my first child was born. That answer shook my being as well. I am certain that we are to pray about all things. I don’t feel that I went against the prophet, but I went through a tremendous amount of opposition for my views and lost my job over it.
My personal views are that anything that the government tries to force on us needs to be scrutinized, immensely! The Lord doesn’t force anything. He invites and admonishes, but never does He force us.
Correct. Powers … not to be trusted.
You followed the prophet perfectly. The letter in Aug 2021 was a parable. It's purpose was not to get 100% compliance by membership - because taking "it" has nothing to do with our exaltation. That letter had other purposes - like sifting and going under radars. On top of that, if one actually studied that letter - it left room for both choices (take poyson things or don't take them and protect yourself in other ways). The opposition you encountered was encountered all around the world. It was unacceptable and unChristlike. But if we endure it well and ignore it and realise that it is all part of the sifting, we will be stronger for it. After all of that, anyone who focussed on just that one letter and ignored all other communications on the topic were being very "myopic" as President Nelson taught us about. We live in interesting times.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo thank you. I love the love we are experiencing through this and other channels
Some people have been brought into disciplinary councils and excommunicated for teaching people to not wear masks and to not get the jab against the words of the Prophet.
I'm glad you were safe from this and that you followed the Holy Ghost as you should, protecting yourself and your loved ones
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This was a great video. You are spot on. I have several friends who left the church because President Nelson and the First Presidency gave a statement about the shot. I must admit I had to do some serious praying to know what I should do and think. What I learned: President Nelson is the Prophet for the whole world, not just the USA. There were countries who wouldn't let people out of their houses without getting it. I have many weird allergies and went to my doctor who told me NOT to get it. My husband had to get it for his job. We went to the temple, prayed and received the answers we needed to make the choice for our best interests. I did not get it, my husband did...after he got a Priesthood Blessing. The Holy Ghost has witnessed to me that Russell M Nelson is a true Prophet and I will listen to his words. If I have a question I pray, and pray HARD. Yes we are in a war with evil but if we stay close to the Spirit and hold to the rod, it will be hard to deceive us. Thanks for this.❤❤❤
Yeah it was a rough time for many when the brethren started pushing the shot on social media and through their leaders in the stakes. Many left the church because of churches pushing the vaccine. I never seen the church align with man in that manner before in my life.
What this woman in the temple said about the prophet of Zion is not even correct. For all the scriptures point to Zion being in
control in the hands of the Lord in the last days. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Zion is of the Anti Christ. Or that the saints are
preparing for the 1000 year reign of Anti Christ. For the scriptures teach that Christ reigns on the earth personally for a thousand years with his saints in peace and righteousness. The scriptures tell you that the Lord speaks his voice from out of Zion in the last days..And in Zion will be peace and joy and everlasting songs..And the meek and the poor shall trust in it, and zion and her convert shall be redeemed with judgement and with righteousness (Isaiah)... That is hardly the description of an anti christ kingdom.
And that is why the Lord has got living prophets and apostles on the earth to speak for him in our day and time from out of Zion. Joel 3:15-20. Because Zion is the Kingdom of God.
The foolish virgins somehow got it wrong, they were not consistent in filling up their lamps.
I believe each person must pray, as you've said. I prayed about our leaders, and I know President Nelson is a true Prophet of our Heavenly Father. I have been a member over 4o years, and I prayed before I joined and the Holy Ghost witness to me then just as He does now. We must stay faithful and obedient to God. Then we will not be deceived.
The jab is turning out to be the danger that thinking people feared.
I played very hard as well about getting the vaccine, but honestly could not get an answer. I wanted to follow the prophet but could not feel good about getting it. I went back and forth for a long time, in the end I used my own research & listened to what my inner voice was telling me & chose not to get it for many reasons. I still do not understand the prophets stand but I am glad I didn’t get the shot but still support our prophet.
I couldn't agree more with what you have said regarding President Nelson and the other Apostle's and Prophets of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints! These men are the true Prophets of the Lord! Sincerely, Brother Powers
Yeah righttt. True "profits" hoard $300 BILLION DOLLARS from its members and the government! God, you are a fool! LOL
@@markkrispin6944 - you are calling God a fool. Ooooo, not a good position to be in there bro.
In early Spring, 2020 I felt the whole thing was wrong from the start. This was long before they rolled out the Vs. I prayed very sincerely why the church would be supporting what I believed to be an evil agenda. Each time I finished praying I had the overwhelming feeling from the Spirit that it was indeed wrong and I should not participate.
I guess I didn't want to hear that answer, so I kept praying asking the same question...and getting the same answer.
Finally on June 17th I prayed and told God I would stop doubting Him and accept that answer. The following morning, a little after 4AM, an angel visited me in my bedroom and commended me on my faith and that I was indeed correct in what I was doing. The angel was a young woman who was dressed in a pure white robe. She even gave me her first and last name that she had in life (whom I later matched up with her obituary).
After it ended, I was left with the most powerful and overwhelming feeling of peace and joy in my entire life.
My family was blessed for not supporting it. I work on a military base and I never wore a mask even though I could have been arrested by the federal mandate. God protected me.
None of my family got sick even though we never participated, and my son was held back to receive his mission call 2 weeks after the church ended the V requirement.
My family saw miracles because we stayed faithful in staying away from the antichrist system.
Awesome experience, thanks for sharing
Isn't that wonderful. To know that the Lord can give you personal revelation and that you can know that what his prophet's are doing is according to his will as well. Our brethren did not support anything specific and if we studied that letter - we could know that members could take "it" or not take "it" and still be following the prophet.
@@fightingfortruth9806 - Did you stay by the tree? My family was also blessed by doing what you did and most importantly staying by the tree and ignoring the naysayers in the church buildings :) It strengthened our will to follow the Lord and not listen to people who would put words in the Prophets' mouths. I did not hear of any v mandate for missionaries. There is always an option to not v and stay in ones country.
I am glad that you prayed.
I didn't have a problem taking them. Honestly I guess I just feel like that whole thing got out of hand but I am glad that you had that experience I think that that is so neat
As we visit the Temple as often as we should and sincerly, prayerfully, meekness with all the fiber of our soul, Our Loving Heavenly Father through the power of the Holy Ghost will reveal the sacred revelation that one could feel confident, the peaceable, overwhelming truths. One would know and not be deceived. In our Savior's name. Jesus Christ, Amen.
AMEN!! I'm only about a third of the way through the video but I completely agree. A couple years ago, I saw a lot of false Christ attitudes and people on FB, Telegram, and other social media. I stopped following FB groups, etc, and I don't spend much time there anymore.
Regarding the shot, Pres. Nelson also said to speak to your trusted medical provider, to pray about it, and to make your own choice He was trying to calm the people who were thinking the shot was the Mark of the Beast.
He did not say that. That's the problem. He told everyone in the world to get injected and that the injections were safe and effective.
He lied.
He did not say that, he urged everyone to take it!
@@d.porter3142 I didn't get the shot because I felt it was wrong for me. Strongly felt it was wrong. I never once, ever, thought that Pres. Nelson was lying. Never. Still don't. I don't know why you or anyone else would jump to that conclusion (i.e. "he lied").
Nelson and the brethren said the vax was safe and effective, posted it on social media as a miracle, talked about it for 2 GC's, and the lower leadership pushed it for a year+. A dark stain in church history similar to blacks and the priesthood
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@lostinthailand9487 The Prophet urged people to do all they could to be good global citizens to help quell the pandemic by getting immunized, wear masks, and practice safe distancing. He encouraged us to speak and counsel with medical professionals and said “Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination.”
We each were given the opportunity to practice an earlier quote from our Prophet about how we would not survive spiritually without learning to hear the Holy Ghost and learn how we hear Him.
This incident really did cause people to study, ponder and pray to receive an answer for themselves. Interesting to me is that people felt impressed by the spirit for their personal circumstance.
If they lost their testimonies over the shots,is so sad they never had a testimony.a young girl who joined the early church history wanted to go west with the saints. Her father asked her what if you get their and Brigham young said the church isn’t tue, what will you do. She said I am sorry for you brother Brigham. I know it is true. That’s a testimony. It is independent from others . The Holy Ghost bares truth that we all must seek if we are to survive in these last days. Carol. Apostasy will come when you start thinking that way. Carol you covered this beautifully. Thank you
Perfect timing with a live stream going on right now with a certain Chief. You will never go wrong following our prophet.
Three nurses and I witness a miracle today right in front of us. We have the gift the priesthood.This is the true church. Think back on the miracles you have seen. Ask for the power of the Holy Ghost and you will never be deceived.
I didn’t even know that! But I’m glad I could time that so well! I’m glad I could take the clean up duty! 🤣
Thank you!!! I love your testimony!
@@AnticipatingChristsreturnyour awesome. Keep up the good work
Not sure what problem you have with the “Chief”. He doesn’t pull you away from the church or the prophet. He might vent! I believe he has history & evidence that the Book of Mormon is true as prophesied would happen in the last days.
Yeah.. I actually watched the live event you’re referring to here I believe and it was really good. Felt the holy ghost
Yes, it is so clear and obvious that he is a false prophet. He even has stated that he is the Davidic servant in the last days, and that he has scriptures or scrolls that are superior to the Bible and the book of Mormon. So even the elect, even though they have been shown, and told about this guy still will follow him, very sad.
I love the work you do. I share my love and want to let you know you have touched me personally. Thank you.
You know how many people like to say, "But the prophets aren't perfect and they can be wrong, and so I need to receive my own revelation about this subject that thr prophet has spoken about."
Well, it is true that we are meant to seek after our own revelation from God, but it is to confirm our understanding and faith in what the prophets say, not to open up thr possibility that we will receive revelation contrary to what the prophet has said. That is the high road to apostasy - to think that you know better than the prophet.
If you think about it, have the scriptures ever said or given an example wherein a person was excused from following the prophet because the Lord told some individual differently than ehat the prophet had said? No, the Lord's house is a house of order.
The miracle is that the Lord can lead us correctly through fallible people, not that he makes them perfect. And we are not excused from following them even though they have got certain things wrong or confused at times, for a time.
In "Two Lines of Communication," President Oaks teaches clearly thst priesthood revelation and personal revelation are meant to support each other, not to compete. Wonderful talk.
Agree with what you say. I would only say - the prophets have not gotten anything wrong and we will find out in the end the deception around anything that we think they were wrong on. As for the letter about taking the "thing" that communication left room for members to take "it" or not take "it" and we were still following the prophet. So he got nothing wrong there as well.
Kaitlyn, thank you for starting this channel and this topic!! ❤ I really look forward to hearing more from you! I'm 67 yrs old, but am honestly still an infant to the gospel, as I was active until my mid twenties and then inactive until approx 6 years ago. Needless to say, I need all the good help I can get! And actually there are some CZcams podcasts that are kinda starting to push the envelope on whether they truly support and sustain the prophet and church leaders.. I've heard some good, and even great ideas they share, but it's frequently laced with some ideas that could confuse some members, and it could create some feelings of distrust towards the general authorities, if you're looking for someone who could lead you away, to believe that some church policies are wrong, or questionable, and they create controversy. So thank you for your strong testimony and faith. Please keep telling it real. And don't ever start mincing words, especially when it comes to the church! ❤👍Thanks!!
This all counts down to the fact that you have to listen to the spirit! There are many many saints around the world that will never be deceived because they have learned out how to HEAR THE SPIRIT!!!! That takes a lot of practice. Many people across the world can't even read and write and they can't go into deep study. Maybe later on Heavenly Father will help them learn but you CAN'T DEPEND ON ANY PERSON TO BE COMPLETELY 100 PERCENT ACCURATE IN THEIR INFORMATION. You have to take everything to the Lord for YOUR OWN CONFIRMATION!!!!!!!! Over learned this over 71 years of trying my hardest to follow Jesus Christ! Yes, in an old lady! LISTEN, READ, PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOOD THINGS IN THE WORLD AND ALWAYS "FOLLOW THE SPIRIT"!!!!
I'd like to add to what Kimberly Olsen (below) said.
I too struggled about getting the "vaccine". I was torn, and prayed about it a lot before I came to my decision.
It came down to this:
I believe Pres. Nelson IS the Lord's prophet on the earth today. I don't think the Lord would let His prophet deceive or misdirect His church.
However, I can, and do, ALSO pray to get feelings, guidance, and answers for myself.
I concluded that I WOULD follow the first presidency's admonition to get the vaccine. I figured that maybe part of the reason to encourage us was so the government would have no excuse to shut the church down further, especially TEMPLE work!
I also prayed that if there WAS anything harmful in the "vaccine" that the Lord would neutralize it so it would be harmless to those who did go ahead and get it.
(I was 68 at that time) I only had the first two Phizer shots, with no ill effects that I'm aware of.
I have no plans to get any additional shots, but I'm going to pray about each instance that comes up, and then do my best to follow the Prophet, and my heart.
It really doesn't matter if we live or die. But the intent of our hearts matter, and our willingness to trust the Lord to guide us as we navigate these last days.
And I accept that we might not always fully understand the whole picture.
Each of us has to have our individual conversation with the Lord, and follow the promptings we receive. It will ALL work out in the end. 😌
No need to take any poyson shots. That letter from the first presidency left enough room to take the "things" or not take the "things".
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To whom are you speaking?
@@purplekat5864 - you... there is no confusion... there was room for not taking it as a choice and still be following the prophet.
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The only thing I heard at first was that the first presidency was saying to go ahead and get the vaccine. I didn't see a written statement, or anything else at that time. Perhaps I missed it or it came out a bit later. So I was just going on what I was aware of at that moment.
None of my comments were meant negatively towards the leadership or President Nelson. I was just trying to explain the process I went through, at the time, to make my decision. I'm not sure how that's a poyson shot.
I LOVE how you share in a way that is so simple! You speak those very thoughts I have received through the Spirit! Bless you!!!❤
The presidency is from a different generation,president Nelson is Surgeon, he had to make those choices. They travel, they also had to make decisions for the whole, not just one. You make the decision as seemed best for yourself. Use your own free agency. He is still a prophet and I believe that’s why he’s saying you much keep your own testimony strong! So your ability to choose what’s best for you may not be what’s best for others. Respect and love to all!❤❤
Thank you for this. I follow the living prophet Russell Nelson. We can pray and get answers to all of our questions.
Amen!! 🥰
It’s crazy that you posted this video today because last night, I was in the comments of two LDS CZcamsrs. And I just straight up asked them both, have you seen…. And if so, how can you still support….
They both told me they have seen…. One of them said they were working on a response. The other referred me to an interview where they defended…. I told them I will definitely watch it and get back to them and they ❤️ the comment.
I watched the full 50 minute interview and my mind was blown. They went as far as to take a scripture about the second coming of Jesus Christ, and leave out the verse’s about Christ coming and the mountains being made low and valleys disappearing, in order to make it sound like it applied to…. So they could use that scripture to defend…. I could not believe it. I did write a long response to them pointing out all the things I could remember from that interview that I took issue with and why. And I explained that I wasn’t doing this out of hate or judgement, I’m doing it because what I’m seeing goes against the kingdom of god. I have not gotten a response.
I asked the other CZcamsr about his viewers being possibly deceived by certain content he posts. He said he doesn’t think most peoples testimonies are that weak. I responded by asking him, if only one of his viewers has their testimony damaged, isn’t that one too many??One of his viewers responded by saying that we are responsible for our own testimony and we’ve been instructed on how to protect it. I responded by saying that we are also not supposed to cast a stumbling block before others, and I reminded him what Cane said to the Lord after he slew Able. “Am I my brothers keeper?” Yes. We are our brothers keeper.
Maybe it’s my own ignorance, but I cant believe I am witnessing members of the church offering up their platforms to be Satans P.R. Campaign. My watchlist has been narrowed down to your channel, as well as Jared from Christian homestead. David Alexander Sometimes ward radio depending on the video. And a few come follow me channels.
By the way, thank your for sharing your temple cleaning experience. The way you related it to the prodigal son was perfect. Really enjoyed both of your videos today
I always appreciate your comments thank you!! I appreciate you lifting your voice for truth. I agree that if I caused one person to lose their testimony I would be held accountable because of the information that I provided that caused it.
I think we should treat everyone like they have weak testimonies because we are all capable of being deceived…
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn thank you. And I 100% agree. My grandma has roots in the foundation of the church and she was telling me last night that a relative of hers was next in line to be the prophet. But he refused to acknowledge that the polygamy at the time was ordained of god and he left the church and lost his testimony. If it can happen to someone like him, as well as the witness to the gold plates. It can literally happen to any one of us.
I appreciate what you said about my comment because sometimes I’m afraid to post them because I’ve only been studying the gospel for a little over a year. So I’m afraid of posting false information. But I try to go with what the spirit tells me.
@@AnticipatingChristsreturnIf your intent is too preach by the Spirit, you have no problem with whether people get offended or not. I wouldn’t worry about it. I just subscribed to your channel. I heard about it from Jared at Christian Homestead channel.
I’ve called out many LDS channel owners and members commenting over their COVID comments, including talking about the CZcams videotape of the SandPoint Stake Conference. I lit into many of them for bashing their Stake President and the Area Authority Seventy there.
I explained that the jab was not a sin and that the Church wasn’t pushing the vaccine.
These channels attract ex members of the Church who brag about leaving the Church, along with members who bragged about not getting the vaccine and commenting how President Nelson was a false prophet.
I’ve left FB, after having criticizing them for their sins or people trashing me for my political vote or the vaccine, including Church members.
I write negative reviews for most social media apps, I give them feedback and I’ve let them have it for many reasons.
I’m just disillusioned with people in the Church on social media.
I find very few channels whose owner can teach by the Spirit.
You do. I appreciate that. Please keep it up. People in the Church are just mean to one another on social media.
Always teach by the Spirit if you don’t want to lead people astray. Always listen and obey the Spirit.
Never teach Church doctrine without the Spirit.
Great comment. Interesting as I also follow along in these other pages...and the different defenses...or questions...
@@cindlou7335 I received a spiritual witness of the savior that changed me forever just a few months before my 30th birthday. I’m 31 now. So that’s why I say maybe it’s my ignorance because compared to most members, I’m still a baby. But I never would have thought that soooo many members of the church are this out of touch with the holy ghost. It’s such a sad thing to see. I know have a new understanding of where Russell M. Nelson is coming from when he constantly pleads with us to prepare for the second coming.
The strong members are responsible for helping to look after the weaker members. And I’m not calling myself a strong member because I’m not perfect either. But those of us who hear the Holy Ghost have a responsibility to try to help those who struggle to hear.
Up until this point, I guess I just assumed that most members knew the scriptures on a level that made my own knowledge and understanding seem amateurish. I just feel let down, but I also am sad for them and for our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how else to describe how I feel about this whole thing.
I agree, I think the elect- doesn’t mean those in leadership positions, but anyone who maintains a temple recommend, and is fully worthy.
It is that precious soul whom they’re trying to deceive..
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My heart goes out to the woman in the temple, who honestly thought our prophet might be fallen. That’s so unfortunate for her.
Thanks for sharing this with us!
Yes! Thank you! I feel for her too! And I wanted to help potentially anyone else out there who is struggling like her. ❤️
When the prophet encouraged (not commanded) us to get the shot immediately known it was something that he wanted me to consult my Dr and ponder about. Im tired of people blaming him for how it turned out. We need to have the spirit with us and not blindly obey what we think the prophet said.
@@lostinthailand9487 you need to go re-read that letter. Read like a lawyer would read. They didn't encourage everyone to take the rona vaccine specifically. They just said, "To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective."
You can interpret that phrase any way you want to interpret it. There are lots of vaccines. Lots. Also, which "severe infections"? "Such"? What does that even mean?
You need to forgive him, and do whatever you need to do to reconcile yourself to this, because it's still bothering you, obviously.
@@lostinthailand9487
1. "urged" not "commanded"
2. The spirit told that what he meant was for us to consult our Dr and ponder if it was right for us.
3. What would have happened to the saints if the church was against the shot? Especially since some of the powers that be are attacking Christianity.
@@justjamie6458Bang💥. The LDS Church has been compromised.
As far as I am concerned, ALL Religion made the choice to take the side of Global Corporate Agendas when they went tax exempt.
If one were knowledgeable they'd know about The WEF and The United Nations Agenda 21 2030.... Equality, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion acceptance.
@@justjamie6458 - what comes to mind when I think of the scenario of what happened in church members homes is the words of this little story:
A few months before I was born, my dad met a stranger who was new to our small Tennessee town. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer, and soon invited him to live with our family.
The stranger was quickly accepted and was around to welcome me into the world a few months later. As I grew up I never questioned his place in our family. Mom taught me to love the Word of God. Dad taught me to obey it. But the stranger was our storyteller. He could weave the most fascinating tales. Adventures, mysteries and comedies were daily conversations. He could hold our whole family spellbound for hours each evening.
He was like a friend to the whole family. He took Dad, Bill and me to our first major league baseball game. He was always encouraging us to see the movies and he even made arrangements to introduce us to several movie stars.
The stranger was an incessant talker. Dad didn't seem to mind, but sometimes Mom would quietly get up - while the rest of us were enthralled with one of his stories of faraway places - and go to her room read her Bible and pray. I wonder now if she ever prayed that the stranger would leave.
You see, my dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions. But this stranger never felt an obligation to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our house - not from us, from our friends, or adults. Our longtime visitor, however, used occasional four-letter words that burned my ears and made Dad squirm. To my knowledge the stranger was never confronted.
My dad was a teetotaler who didn't permit alcohol in his home - not even for cooking. But the stranger felt he needed exposure and enlightened us to other ways of life. He offered us beer and other alcoholic beverages often. He made cigarettes look tasty, cigars manly, and pipes distinguished. He talked freely (too much too freely) about sex.
His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing. I know now that my early concepts of the man/woman relationship were influenced by the stranger. As I look back, I believe it was the grace of God that the stranger did not influence us more.
Time after time he opposed the values of my parents. Yet he was seldom rebuked and never asked to leave. More than thirty years have passed since the stranger moved in with the young family on Morningside Drive. But if I were to walk into my parents' den today, you would still see him sitting over in a corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures. His name? We always called him TV.
Many church members have spent their whole lives glued to media - have allowed it to define words and concepts. Members trust what the people on their screens tell them. Sometimes they trust it more than the prophet.
My family chose to not have a TV and only look at media together and scrutinise it's claims. This has been to the saving of our family through the covaids lies.
President Wilford Woodruff (1807-98) declared that we can have full confidence in the direction the prophet is leading the Church: “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray.
Yess!! ❤️ thank you! I quoted that in my new video from today!
There is more than one way to interpet that statement. You could argue that he meant that the Holy Ghost will clearly tell you that the prophet is teaching false doctrine and you should not follow it.
@@fightingfortruth9806 yes I agree we must learn to listen to and follow the Holy Ghost which the true prophets teach. Hear Him is the cry of President Nelson which for me rings true. We each must come to know for ourselves or we may be deceived by the philosophies and wisdom of men in these last days. This is my story and testimony. I was raised a Lutheran by a Catholic father and Lutheran mother who rarely attended any church. They however made sure my brother, sister and I were sent to church. I'm forever grateful for parents who cared enough to see that I got some religious training in my youth. I'm grateful to the Lutheran church for introducing me to Jesus Christ the Son of God. By the prayer of faith and the witness of the Holy Ghost I learned as a child that Jesus is the true Son of God who lives today as a resurrected being in heaven with God the Father. I know that he atoned for the sins of all mankind on the cross and opened the way for the resurrection and salvation of all men. In my early teens I questioned my parents, church and leaders on their authority and knowledge. I rebelled against society and became a hippie looking for love in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things. However, God in his great mercy chose to chasen and awaken me to the error of my ways. This happened at Woodstock 1969(when I was 19) during a near death experience while I was abusing my body with those bad things of the day. I found myself in hell tormented by all my sins and then reflected upon my childhood belief in Jesus Christ and called upon his name to save me. He heard my voice and delivered me back to life. I was born again and made a promise that day to change my life and go and do what the Lord wanted me to do. He led me by the Bible and the Holy Spirit over the next nine months to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where I was baptized in the Atlantic Ocean at Smith Point Fire Island, NY on June 27th 1970. I know by personal revelation and the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and He has led me to the prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which I know to be true by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please seek, read, ponder and pray concerning these things and you too can know they are true by the power of the Holy Ghost I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
@@fightingfortruth9806 I agree we must have ears that hear and eyes that see so we can see eye to eye in the Lord. The Holy Ghost will help us to "Hear Him" who president Nelson has challenged us to do. This is my testimony and story which has set the pattern by which I continue to seek greater knowledge and truth as I humble myself before the Lord and His anointed leaders. I was raised a Lutheran by a Catholic father and Lutheran mother who rarely attended any church. They however made sure my brother, sister and I were sent to church. I'm forever grateful for parents who cared enough to see that I got some religious training in my youth. I'm grateful to the Lutheran church for introducing me to Jesus Christ the Son of God. By the prayer of faith and the witness of the Holy Ghost I learned as a child that Jesus is the true Son of God who lives today as a resurrected being in heaven with God the Father. I know that he atoned for the sins of all mankind on the cross and opened the way for the resurrection and salvation of all men. In my early teens I questioned my parents, church and leaders on their authority and knowledge. I rebelled against society and became a hippie looking for love in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things. However, God in his great mercy chose to chasen and awaken me to the error of my ways. This happened at Woodstock 1969(when I was 19) during a near death experience while I was abusing my body with those bad things of the day. I found myself in hell tormented by all my sins and then reflected upon my childhood belief in Jesus Christ and called upon his name to save me. He heard my voice and delivered me back to life. I was born again and made a promise that day to change my life and go and do what the Lord wanted me to do. He led me by the Bible and the Holy Spirit over the next nine months to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where I was baptized in the Atlantic Ocean at Smith Point Fire Island, NY on June 27th 1970. I know by personal revelation and the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior of all mankind and He has led me to the prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which I know to be true by the power of the Holy Ghost. Please seek, read, ponder and pray concerning these things and you too can know they are true by the power of the Holy Ghost I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen!
Praise the lord❤
Incredible podcast Thanks!
“Follow the Prophet don’t go Astray”
I find that when I stay close to the Spirit and involve Christ in my DAILY life - decernment is present for me. Like you less than minutes I see the Bad Medicine” a native description of something not right or good! I am Native American and was taught to be aware of evil and the deceiver.
As a member of the church I see it too.
Staying close to God our Creator is the only way to keep us away from the deceivers.
And lately there has been movements in deceit!!
God Bless us!
if it were possible, even the elect. Mark the Apostle
We got the shot because, my son has left lung problems. My husband was told that if he got it he would die. I wanted to protect them. I prayed for a long period of time about this than the prophet said that, it answered my question.
I love that!! I love that he brought peace to a difficult decision!! 🥰
This was one of the lies the media told about how effective the shot was. But it didn’t really prevent anyone from getting covid. Most people got it multiple times who had been vaccinated.
The prophet still respected our agency even with the SHOT . He no doubt was concerned how many could die because of COVID... And not that many people over all, had a bad reaction from the shot. He never commanded us to be vaccinated.
but they sure pushed it in the stakes and social media
@@benzun9600 - yep, but they are not the prophet and they got it wrong, pushing it like they did and putting words in the prophets' mouths.
There are more reactions than you would like to admit. But every individual had their own choice on what specific "thing" to take. I took natural remedies as my "v" according to c-d-c new definition of "v"... so I followed the prophet perfectly and stayed healthy and never got the sickness.
Line upon line peace upon precept. Hear a little there a little. What we have a need for he will answer. This is a promise for wisdom.
I would say he gives us to what we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as gives doves! In other words he gives us what we need to then take the issues to Heavenly Father in prayer and receive our own revelation as to the truth for us personally. We have to put in the time with him to get the answers. NO OTHER WAY!!!!!
Our leadership gives us what we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. In other words , they give us the information we need to then to take it to the Lord in personal pray to get out personal answers regarding these issues. Joseph Smith told us he taught the people principles and THEN they governed themselves. He didn't tell them exactly what to do .......God did in personal prayer, he governed their lives if they were willing to put in the time to take their concerns to him in prayer. I'm not saying we don't need prophets and apostles. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH! I love the mostly MILK they feed us at conference! But it takes study( reading esp which i could improve on more), talking to others, listening to others but i think most of all discussing these things with our Father in Heaven!!!! When our phones are laptops are useless, or someday when the internet goes away, when hard times we cannot even imagine come, when we may be isolated from our leaders or even friends WHO CAN WE DEPEND ON? OUR PRAYER AND GREAT PERSONAL TEACHER, the one we've been depending on all this time! Sorry but this was a good discussion to talk about! I have strong ideas about it!
Excellent points! I would add that our temporal preparedness ought to include some things for temporal spiritual preparedness. If there is a time when we don't have access to the gospel library or the internet, or our prophets, we ought to have what we can in hard copy. Things like our scriptures, the conference addresses, our patriarchal blessings. I fear too many rely on digital versions of everything, and if we loose power or the internet, it will really spiritually hobble folks.
@@SegoLily - I recently created "The Book of Russell"... I compiled all of his talks from when he was called as an apostle (I'm a little behind now and need to add new ones). I printed it out and it's on our bookshelf :) starting on my "Book of Dalin" next and then My "Book of Henry" and so forth.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Oh, that's such a good idea! I love that!
In 2020 I started to make it a point to always get the journal edition of General Conference, so I will have those in hard copy (and a few especially meaningful ones from before that time). I also printed out my patriarchal blessing, and my mothers, fathers, and grandparents. And I've tried to get any particularly meaningful pictures printed, as well. And I bought an updated road atlas. You just never know what's coming, and having a few things like that brings some peace of mind.
Let's see exactly what Jesus says
For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, IF POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.
And whoso treasureth up my word, SHALL NOT BE DECEIVED.
We have the Gift of the Holy Ghost and we are commanded to FEAST upon the words of Christ, more especially from The Book of Mormon and the continuous revelation from one general conference to the next.
Indeed, we are frail in our humanity, but what is being urged upon us?
HEAR HIM.
THINK CELESTIAL
Charity is celestial. Continue striving to surrender our will in the will of Christ until His will becomes our will.
OVERCOME THE WORLD: the bondage of SELF!
Yes!!! Beautiful! Thank you!
My thoughts exactly. I keep saying to my husband - I don't think there are many members studying scriptures... because if they did, they wouldn't be being deceived as they are.
I listened very closely when the prophet speaks. Encouraged us to take the shot. He didn’t tell us we had to. He specifically said. We’re going to shut down the churches to be good citizens. He never said you must get the shot. Present Nelson truly wants us to learn to use the personal revelation that we been promised. In reality in today’s world, so many things need to be by personal revelation.
Yes, and we need to remember correctly what happened - because he never said once out of his mouth that he urged us to take "it" - it was a written letter. Not once were were advised or admonished to take the things that our governments forced on us. They used their words carefully and we should have listened very carefully to what they were really saying and not saying.
In Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Chapter 27 "Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy," there is much that explains how ignoring our priesthood leaders makes us vulnerable to apostasy:
“I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives.” Heber C. Kimball, while serving as a counselor to President Brigham Young, reported: “I will give you a key which Brother Joseph Smith used to give in Nauvoo. He said that the very step of apostasy commenced with losing confidence in the leaders of this church and kingdom, and that whenever you discerned that spirit you might know that it would lead the possessor of it on the road to apostasy.”
There is more; I suggest reading the whole chapter.
Thank you for this!!! I will go read it!
I forgot to mention it was the Teachings of the Presidents of the Church for Joseph Smith, but you may have figured that out.
@@kennethmoake1448 - agreed with this quote. I believed it and now I am seeing it play out. Those who are telling everyone to not trust the prophet also want to set themselves up on a pedestal, like they have some secret knowledge. OR... they have nothing to offer as an alternative and just want people to be bitter and angry.
I want to add my testimony as well. The prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, President Russell M. Nelson is a true and living prophet. Called by God. Appointed to lead us directly in these times and days in which we live. He will not deceive us. Everything in this video is good and true and right. Because she is correctly pointing all of us to our living prophet today, and not away from! If any are in doubt. Remember "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." John 13:20
Read the Official Declaration #1 in the Doctrine and Covenants. Wilford Woodruff received through revelation, the answer. The Lord will never let the Prophet lead the Church astray.
I did in the video! 🥰
Ohhhh. Jk! It was in the video I posted after this one! 😆 sorry for the confusion!
Thank you!
I was unsure about "the shot" but when Pres. Nelson received his, I felt more comfortable with it. Pres. Nelson seems so loving and caring and I know he has received inspiration for all of us. I have never been able to grasp how some people could think otherwise. For me, witnessing the come follow me come out and then COVID keeping us from physically going to church was certainly something that increased my testimony about our living prophet receiving revelation in our day.
Your words could be misunderstood to mean you think those of us who didn't take "it" weren't following the prophet and we have less faith than you think you have. Would you like to rephrase what you said?
Thanks!
Thank you! 🥹
Thank you, I got more understand on the words you just said.
Agree 10000% about not needing to look outside the collected scripture for increased learning. There is MORE to learn from the Book of Mormon and Isaiah than most of us have taken time and effort to gain.. 1 Nephi 1:1...having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God,...
The prophet pleaded with us to desire to understand what the fullness of the Holy Ghost might be like. The prophet wants us to have a higher holier life! How many times has he counseled us to increase our reception of revelation and prophecy in our lives? That we will not be able to survive the last days without it. He is telling us to go to the source, as he is, and be taught. Not seperate from his council at all but in harmony.
Yes!!!! Exactly!!
Trouble comes when we replace the Holy Ghost with blind obedience to any man.
I would say to hover as closely as possible, LIGHT, follow that light and stay as close as possible!! Light cannot allow any darkness in, and the more you stay in it, the safer and surer we will be.
True. We have 15 prophets.
Oaks will be in the lead soon...
It's talking about the 'hello Saints ' page. All of those bishops entertaining preachers. Bishops are the elect too
I haven’t listened to much of his stuff but I actually liked the one with tyler griffin (I think that’s who it was) I feel like different faiths having discussions is good if it’s done in good faith. Some of the stuff that I’ve seen with just him he is critical.. and picking things apart.. yet when he joins with faith filled people I feel like they are just helping him understand better and it helps because I feel like they can defend the faith when they are on… 🤷🏻♀️ (but like I said I haven’t watched most of his videos so I don’t really know much about what’s been going on) this video wasn’t really about that channel.. but if it helped I’m glad 😆
❤❤❤❤❤ thank you, just became a new subscriber!
Awww thank you! 🥰
I agree with you!
I think the sifting is accruing the wheat from the tares.
Some additional information. Chief migegah of the ojibwe nation and the birch bark scrolls. The nemenhah records. "New Zealand skeletons in the cupboard "
What did Chief M mean by that?
Every country has skeletons in the closet. Every government has kept the truth of our divine nature from us.
What did he mean New Zealand skeletons in the cupboard?
Regarding the shot, I remembered. I think it was Thomas S. Monson who said that we didn't have to take the counsel of the prophets by their word but that we could go and ask for ourselves and listen for the Lord, who would give us testimony. I did this after hearing the prophet about the shot. I did have to back my thoughts up and be willing to accept what the Lord's counsel is. I was distinctly impressed that I was okay not to take the shot. I'm glad I have a relationship with the Lord and can sustain His prophet. The Lord doesn't want us to follow blindly but to have a mind for ourselves.
And the Lord said that to you because the urging from the brethren gave room for both choices - take poyson things, or don't take them and use other remedies instead. Each decision was following the prophet.
You are awesome!
Awesome video, Kaitlyn!
Thank you!! 😊
Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
About the shot , i was very desturbe if i should get it or not then those thoughts came to my mind. Follow the Prophet he knows the way. After that i did feel peace. But it is true, we have to make our own choises.
We need 20:32 to pray for ourselves if what we hear or see is true or not. Its okay if you don't get the SHOT. We have the gift of choice.
Revelation 13: 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
THANK YOU! The people sowing seeds of doubt and preaching against the prophet are themselves the fulfillment of these prophecies about the last days. Ironically they try using latter-day scripture and revelation to refute latter-day scripture and revelation... I've learned that the gift of discernment for me operates a lot like the prophet Joseph Smith's statement "by proving contraries, truth is made manifest." Some falsehoods are so near the truth that rather than have a lightbulb moment of discernment in the moment, it is revealed to me over time as I contrast that over and over with other truths I already know. Also, when in history has it ever gone right for people who rejected the prophets?
Answer: never gone good for those who reject the prophets. And this is the contradiction that amazes me. These people who question the prophet but say they adhere to the scriptures then have to do mental gymnastics to explain their decisions.
Ezekiel states, “If a prophet is deceived into giving a message, it is because I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet. I will lift my fist against such prophets and cut them off from the community of Israel” (Ezek. 14:9 NLT).
This was great. Thank you. We still get to choose. President Nelson, a doctor, I felt he did what the Gov wanted. My children didn’t get it either. I think of the 12 article of faith. Anyway this was a good discussion. Thank you.
World Bank document 4/2/2020
Said they would get govt leaders, media, and religious leaders to push Covid protocols… because of peoples’ worries about liberties being taken away. Absolute truth and that’s how it went down.
@@mysterypro_music - our church leaders did not push anything. You may need to go over what was communicated again with an understanding of english grammar and definitions. The prophet did exactly what the Lord commanded them. There is scriptural precedent for what they have done in the past 5 years.
I feel like those people who minimize the prophet by saying things like “we don’t have to be told by the prophet, we don’t have to wait for the prophet to tell us, my own personal revelation over the prophet’s revelation” and so on… these are the people with higher chance of being deceived.
Yessss!!!! I couldn’t agree more!
@@AnticipatingChristsreturnthey turn to their own arm of flesh.
The scripture the woman was probably basing her belief upon was Daniel 11:22.
This section is commonly understood as an Apostle or even the Prophet being deceived by the anti Christ.
Can you give me the scripture reference in Daniel?
How does that verse refer to the prophets and apostles?
Thank you so much for your courage with this video!
Also, as far as the shot…Stratagem (where have we learned about that?) was necessary for a worldwide church. As a lawyer, Morgan Philpot points to the words and punctuation in the Church’s statement. Immunization vs. vaccination etc. They told us to figure out how we Hear Him.
I also listened to Morgan Philpot regarding the letter and statement from our leaders on the matter.
Just like all scripture... we were supposed to study the living prophets' words out in our hearts and minds. We studied everything they said on this matter together (not just that Aug 2021 letter by itself) and came to the same conclusions as Philpot before he talked about it on his videos (he probably worked it out immediately as well). I tried to talk about it online and was sensorred immediately on all forums. Truely felt like 10 virgins story where I couldn't share even if I wanted.
I was accused of not believing in the prophet or church anymore by those who are really close to me because I didn’t feel I was supposed to get the shot. Even when I pointed out that I saw wisdom and stratagem in what the church was doing. We have a right to personal revelation for ourselves and I chose not to go against the revelation I received. I think Heavenly Father expects that of us in all decisions. To not blindly follow but to study it out in our hearts and our minds. The How Do You Hear Him campaign was a timely gift that we should continue to employ. The use of stratagem was taught so consistently in The Book of Mormon. We should expect the confusion to continue and that will require continuous personal revelation.
And in regards to the Antichrist I have a hard time dismissing the explicit detail given in Daniel and Isiah- it could be an institution but there are so many personifications used to describe it or him.
According to the guide to the scriptures
“Antichrist
See also Devil
Anyone or anything that counterfeits the true gospel plan of salvation and that openly or secretly opposes Christ. John the Revelator described the antichrist as a deceiver (1 Jn. 2:18-22; 4:3-6; 2 Jn. 1:7). The great antichrist is Lucifer, but he has many assistants, both spirit beings and mortals.”
Hi Sister, I just found your channel. You mentioned when the spirit told you to get out of something or somewhere and referenced a video. Which of your videos is that?
This is a powerful example of Kaitlyn… the moment she felt the alerts… she fled.
@@RebeccaGroendyke She is awesome!
Pres Woodruff said one day in the salt lake valley one would not be able to tell the difference between an enemy or friend of the church, that is unless you have the spirit of true desernment. Don't have the exact quote, sorry. Just had some friends who left the church try to convince me with my family to move to Missouri with them to prepare for the Saviors return. Funny how they want me to follow them as if they are the prophet. They think every prophet from JS to today are fallen, except JS.
Yes! I’ve been seeing a lot of the same ideas floating around. It’s so sad! Good for you to stick with the prophet! 🥰
It's happening more... and the pattern I see is they are one of 2 types of people. 1. Like you say - they set themselves up to be the prophet. 2. They have nothing to offer other than trying to save you from the church... but take you nowhere.
So much for following with blind obedience
I like you, you think like me or we see the same thing or we receive the same revelation.
It's interesting that people make non-shots, climate, gender aso their religion and leave the true church. 2 Thimothy 4:3-4. We hear what we want to hear, either we want to hear the Holy Spirit or we want something else and there will be other spirits talking to us and we must never forget that the evil spirits imitate the Holy Spirit to mislead us.
Absolutely! It’s so sad! That’s why following the prophet is so important, because we can deceive ourselves with what we want to hear and call it “personal revelation”. Personal revelation always will align with the gospel of Jesus Christ and what has already been revealed.
As for the shot.. I wish I never even mentioned it in my video because people took that to be the point of this video.. which really the point was that we have a prophet today who is pleading with us to choose to overcome this world, to follow Christ, to have the spirit, to gather Israel…. All the things.
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn - don't be sorry. If it is an issue that needs to be talked about. You are absolutely right - IT'S ALL THE THINGS. I wrote an article back in early 2022 (which was so censored that I still can't post it anywhere) about how so many had made the shot the ONLY THING. Accusing so many and persecuting those who didn't take it. The point of my article was that our prophet has invited us to do ALL THE THINGS - so many invitations in all of his talks since he was called as an apostle. One letter and how one applied that council does not trump all the other things that make a saint - like - being part of the Lord's youth battalion, having social media fasts, making time for the Lord, spending more time in His Holy House, getting rid of contention from our lives, developing charity - just to name a few THINGS. So many saintly principles needing to be addressed in our lives. But... for those of us who didn't take it... it has been a hard road to travel alone. We have been gaslit for years now by members and family over this issue. There are still many who don't realise that they followed the prophet in not taking the "thingies". For those of us who didn't take "it" and remained by the tree, we need to support each other in our decisions. Thank you for making a safe space to communicate this.
If you don’t want to be deceived then start studying from true doctrinal sources on not being deceived. I suggest using the citation index app and looking up talks with the key phrase “be deceived” as an exact phrase under talks. Yes you can be deceived, but you don’t have to be. The Spirit of God cannot be deceived.
23:16 it’s true there are those who would “add in” to lead some from the truth. How do you feel about it when the church “leaves out” things which are true, but which might not be faith promoting? What do you think of Boyd K Packer’s claim that not all truth is useful to be shared?
It happens with big things such as the BOM translation process and smaller things such as saying that we comply with zoning ordinances in temple building while simultaneously pressuring cities and towns under threat of litigation to grant wild exceptions of over 100 feet for steeple height.
Both sides should be seen for what they are, what they say, and what they do.
Go somewhere else with your current anti talking points. So boring!
Read 1 & 2 John closely. On multiple occasions the antichrist is defined as ANYONE who denies Jesus Christ. It isn't just one person we should be waiting for.
I’m pretty sure I said that in my video right? Or are you responding to someone in the messages?
Just reiterating this point for anyone reading the comments. 1 & 2 John are my favorite books in the New Testament.
And it says the elect would be deceived IF IT WERE POSSIBLE.
THIS is the part that many seem to miss when quoting. Were it possible!!
Meaning, "how can it be possible" that so good, Covenant, Latter Day Saints could so easily be deceived.
@fightingfortruth9806 sometimes we can that's very true.
Clearly it is possible because it is happening before our eyes…people that have made covenants and yet leave the path… how does that happen?
I wish I could remember the exact verse. It was within our study of the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Christ within the last month. Something about when we sin against the light and truth, than we can lose that knowledge and forget what we once knew. I will get back to you on that reference.
You might want to look into the history of the church.
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We need to be educated in the scriptures and the gospel teachings, as well as be visiting the temple as often as possible, practice in prayer for your descernment to be strong and clear, and doing & practice things which will invite the Holy Ghost to be and stay with you at all times. If you're not sure, and you are earnestly asking in prayer, the best and safest thing to do a long with those things is to:
1. ALWAYS stay as close as possible to your church authorities, including your Bishop, and his counselors. The closer we stay to our ward leaders, stake leaders, etc, the greater body of the church won't lead you astray. And you can ask for a blessing for protection and discernment,. Rely upon the priesthood holders and ward leaders to advise you, if you can't find an answer, and trust that they will be truthful, and help you!
The elect won't be deceived. "If it were possible." The point is that if it was not for the Lord protecting us, even we would be deceived, the deception is going to be that great.
Thank you. Good insights. Incidentally, a Russian version of the Bible reads this: For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. This is a slight but significant difference from the English version.
I think that it says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened...insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:22-24
Read JS-Matthew 1:22. That is the JST for Matthew 24:24. There is no "were." It changes the meaning of that thought.
Line upon line, precept on precept that is how he guides us, that is how he teaches his children. Line upon line upon line upin line upon line upon line....upon line.
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The problem isnt they lost their testimony its that they didnt have a testimony .
Sad for the lady in the story. She is the one being deceived and is leading/persuading others to follow her. Case in point.
I know.. it makes me so sad! 😞
Message to the whole world.
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What is the statement of the church being g broken up in the last days?
not broken up... just sifting happens.
26:36 ...add those who go against the Proclamation of the Family.
I have become rather exhausted with the CV narrative pertaining to the Prophet. More specifically I felt the spirit at times in my life that were pointing me in the direction of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And a year after being baptized, I saw people on both sides of that argument telling me that if I don’t get it, then I’m going to be cut off and others who said if you get it, then you will be cut off and anything else in between. But what I knew is that the Holy Ghost fell upon me when I read the book of Mormon and pointed me towards Truth that I never thought even existed let alone could’ve been true. Other things which I learned dead at the bottom of my heart, I desired to be true, even if it meant that I would not be in the celestial kingdom because at the time I was not baptized, but just the knowledge that what I was taught about heaven, as a child was not God‘s plan but rather the machinations of men. And that the doctrines that I had come to discover was everything I knew in my heart had to be true. It has become evident to me that there are knowledges which confirm latter-day saint teachings which have survived, but I don’t understand how it is that people think President Nelson is not a prophet. All I know is the patriarch said “Be patient in your endeavors and remember that the church is Divine.” And our patriarchal blessings have proven themselves many times over to be true. And it has become apparent to me that some people seem to be looking to other voices To be a prophet for their lives.
Beautifully written. Our reactions to others personal choices also became a test. There was a lot of finger pointing, judging, looking down on another which brought division in families and wards and communities. Fortunately we can all repent 😊
@@RebeccaGroendyke yes another consideration. Is that in my stake a general authority asked us a question “ The next time, a Prophet, asks you to do something will you do it?” Some Internet people took offense to this as clearly did someone in my stake, and blasted it out on the Internet. As for my stake president he seem to over the years, feel impressed, too warn us of the dangers of Podcasts, and how some of them will lead people into apostasy. I think he was right regardless of how he feels about CV. I know that prior to this being a giant stink that was getting blasted on the Internet for a short while I had questions and respectfully brought them to my stake president.
@@JCal-f1f - loved what you said and agree with your testimony.
Just on the topic of your stake conference with your area authority and what he said.... it was apparent he was pointing a finger at those who did not take the shot as if they didn't follow the prophet. I watched it. It was disgusting that they were still talking about it... when it was never instructed to be talked about from the pulpit by church leaders. His inference that those of us who didn't take it, did not follow the prophet is insulting and wrong. He was flat out wrong. His question - will you follow the prophet next time he asks you to do something is a great question... but it shouldn't have been attached to the persecution he was still inflicting on saints who were still at church after all these years of manipulation by people like himself. very sad indeed.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo good I’m glad he was pointing a finger at people like me who did not take the shot. But I still heeded their council. If the goal is to bring people into a state of unity, the Lord cannot afford division I am aware of the tendencies towards pride on both sides of the camp. listening to my aunt who is a protestant talk about the actions of her pastor as she sees it, which is that he went off to Haiti and brought back some type of illness that led to many people in his church, getting sick and dying in some cases and apparently he was the first one to get ill and my aunt decided to leave that church because as she sees it, he never took any responsibility for the consequences of what she believes he is responsible for. Therefore, I don’t see an easy answer other than to be one for if we are not one, we are not his I don’t care about apologies I don’t really care about opinions, but what I do know is that God made good on his promises which were set in motion before I was ever latter-day saint and praise God Amen.
It’s coming from I think Isaiah. There are no prophetic quotes that say the prophet can’t be led astray. There is one said in an offhand remark that everyone used. You need to do more research.
President Wilford Woodruff (1807-98) declared that we can have full confidence in the direction the prophet is leading the Church: “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray."
@@Washingtontree - these people don't take words from prophets as scripture. They have their own rules that keep changing.
"Decent advice", if he was the prophet, wouldn't he have put his foot down and say no. In modern days they seem to follow the social media,for example the priesthood and blacks. Thank u for the video,I feel your concern. Please look into what they call "prophet worship". And confirmation of baptism. Eye operner
The problem with the prophet and the jab is that people forget he wasn't telling us to 109% get it. He also told us to Pr😢ay about it. My husband needed it or couldn't get a transplant. So for us it was a yes. If you prayed and got a no, you followed the prophet. I also was a temple worker and it was required.
There are so many false prophets. A good example occurred in Idaho. We should only follow those who follow the prophet.
The church did not require anyone with a calling to get the jab. Don't know about employees. If you were told you had to get it to be a temple worker - you were lied to. That was not required by the church, otherwise all patrons would have been told they needed to have it. You may have been duped by local leaders.
25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The prophets last response to that message was to seek you own revelation. He never demanded. he gave you the free agency of you doing your research and asking for personal revelation. That has been his message since he became prophet.
Yes!!! Absolutely! He fully honors our agency!!
@@AnticipatingChristsreturn
Keep up your loving spiritual uplifting seeking guidance for us sister
Shen you say reading the B of M over and over, and that it may sound boring, we need to remember that God won't send/ give us more than we're prepared to receive. There aren't that many members who know the Bof M that fully, including the rest of the scriptures. Then he will allow more revealed to us.
*When not shen! 😉
Upon my house shall it begin and from my house shall it go forth. The inhabitants of Zion will judge those who are not prophets and apostles, but are hypocrites.
The one mighty and strong will set the house of God in order as well.
All is well in Zion (the church is in a good and acceptable condition) is a lie of the adversary to slowly drag members down to hell. How come all isn't well in Zion? Are we not growing, building temples, and does President Nelson not gush over the members and praise them for their faith and sacrifices? What could possibly not well with the church?
Who took over the vineyard, necessitating the need for the Lord to destroy his enemies, bringing about the redemption of Zion?
Who are the miserable wicked men in the parable of the husbandmen in JST Matthew 21?
What I see this video is a strong reliance on the arm of flesh and not the scriptures.
The reason we do not have the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon is because we are in a state of great wickedness and unbelief as Ether 4 states. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 explains why we are in this state, and Isaiah adds that it's because our leaders are corrupt.
Joseph Smith said the saints' minds were darkened in his day because they were putting their trust in him, so the idea of relying on a prophet to avoid deception is a lie.
The Lord says all that Isaiah wrote has been and shall be. What has been in Isaiah? The apostasy and destruction of the Lords covenant people. What shall be? The same thing will happen to the saints, save for a small remnant who repents at the word's of a servant described in 3rd Nephi 20-22.
I would bet many Jews were told to say close to Caiphus in his day. Similar events will happen today.
Yes, you need a strong reliance on the scriptures. In the scriptures we learn about Prophets. The Lord speaks to Prophets so that they may guide, warn, direct and be a watchman and can help bring about Zion … oneness. We are millions of people with millions of ideas and opinions. The Lord established a house of Oder and a way for us to not be so confused in a sea of voices. He speaks the mind and will of the Lord for the Lord’s Church and gospel. Doctrine and Covenants 1: 38-39.
There is a scripture that talks and warns about those that wrest the scriptures. We must be careful as some will twist and interpret scripture to work for them in their favor of the natural man. We too are the arm of the flesh.
We also learn in the temple when we speak ill of the Lord’s anointed, we are in the power of the adversary. Even Jesus ( in 3 Nephi) told the people to go home and pray over the things they had seen and heard. That is the part where we do more that just rely on the flesh when we actively seek the spirit to confirm and teach the truth be it the words of our Prophet or those in the scripture. So it is this balance (scriptures, Prophets, prayers, the Sacrament, covenants, doctrine, etc. )that provides a 2nd witness and helps us stay in check. Prayerfully the word (scriptures) renew your covenants weekly at the Sacrament Table, prayer, listen to the Prophet. Yes, the Prophet is a man but what makes him different is that he has been called, chosen, set apart, anointed, appointed to receive direction through the keys in which he holds and has been given. He, by the virtue of his calling is blessed to see things that we can’t, is privy to information that we don’t have. It is up to us to heed ; pay attention to the Prophet’s words and pray over them as to how we can apply them in our lives.
I feel that where we are not well in Zion is like when we are members of the Church in name only verses being intentional in our testimonies of the scriptures, the Prophet, covenants, the Savior. We must work for the blessing of really knowing and believing and cultivating the kind of faith that moves mountains. I feel those that say and believe all is well in Zion are those that believe they are beyond being deceived, those that think they it is enough to just be members without actively applying what they learn…surface members rather than being “all in” kind of thing.
Hopefully and prayerfully, we can overcome the world and be the people that the Lord will return to.🙏🏻🤞
@@RebeccaGroendyke You simply do not believe the scriptures. Read the ones I quoted. Ask the Lord to open your eyes to things as they really are and you will see that understanding scripture is only wrested by those who do not go to God directly for understanding, and who do not truly want to know the truth, because it goes against their faith in man and in institutions.
@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs I do believe in the Scriptures and have for as long as I can remember.
I pray every single day to see through the eyes of the Lord. I seek to understand and do His will above all else. I love my Heavenly Father and Savior more than words could ever describe. I look to Them in every thought. I have a constant ongoing conversation with Them over everything. I have been a witness to tender mercies and many miracles. My faith has been tried AND obedience to principles of the gospel has always proved to be true. My favorite scripture is Isaiah 55:8-9. I am keenly aware that man’s ways and God’s ways are vastly different and everyday all day…I seek His higher holier ways. I am not perfect, the more I know and learn, the more there is to overcome.
I look to my Heavenly Father and my Savior in every thought. When I read my scriptures, I am constantly asking What does this mean? What do you want me to learn? How am I to apply and liken this to myself? I make notes as thoughts come. I ask the Lord all the time to open my eyes, to remove the scales from off my eyes…He knows how much I desire to Hear Him and I do go to Him to know from Him. I do have moments of weakness and go to others to help me process some of my thoughts. It is in those times that I realize there are so many voices and interpretations. I am so grateful for a loving Heavenly Father and Savior that have a gospel of order.
Articles of Faith:
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs - go and make your own church then and stop annoying us.
@Jeanie-nv7lo I'm sure that's what the Jews said to Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Lehi.
First the Church does not believe in the anti-Christ but believes in anti~Christs. I have never heard of the Prophet leading away many from the Church. The Prophet isnot infallible so he can be deceived but not to the point that he would lead an apostasy.
I talk about the antichrist in my video about how it is basically Satan.. which then goes to every other aspect of our world. I agree with you that it’s not one person, rather it is anything that opposes Christ.
There are many antichrists but there is an Antichrist, also known as the man of sin. He will be taken over by Satan (as Judas was) when he is released for his little season.
When reading our scripture we need to really read it. Many people assume the elect will be deceived. Yet, the scriptures say “…IF IT WERE POSSIBLE , they shall deceive the very elect.”
Are you not seeing that members are being deceived? I think you are mistaken to think that we won’t be deceived. President Nelson and others have said other wise too.. also in Luke 21 he says “8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”
Take heed!!! Guard your testimony, protect it, do the spiritual work required.
Yes, it is critical that we really read the scriptures carefully. If you read the JST for Matthew 24--which is Joseph Smith-Matthew 1-- you will have a slightly different understanding of Matthew 24: 24. Read JS-Matthew 1:22. The word "were" is not there. The sense we are left with is that there will be some of the elect for whom it will be possible to be deceived. Keep in mind the elect are all those who have made covenants with God, not just leaders.
@@susan2700 - yep... with that definition of "elect" there are many being deceived.
That you for making my morning better.
Side note,
Not once did the Prophet say get “the shot”.
He said he believed in vaccines, got an injection himself, and then said we were to go pray and study and receive revelation for ourselves and our families if the medical treatment was correct for us.
So who has been deceived?
The Prophet or those who are offended by being given a choice?
That being said the anger is real when you have local leaders and members trying to bludgeon their fellow flock into “obedience” by claiming “the Prophet said”.
No, you misinterpreted what the Prophet said.
He isn’t wrong, your understanding is.
Correct: the prophet didn't push anything and we don't even know what he took in his shot. But when the local leaders (not everywhere) put words in President Nelson's mouth and manipulated, persecuted and as you say bludgeoned their flock, it was an awful situation indeed. You could call those local leaders false prophets. They changed doctrine, told members they were going to hell etc if they didn't take it. Disgusting behaviour.
"Anticipated Christ's Return"
Well, let's see -- it's only been 2,000 years since Jesus was supposed to come again. I say - give a chance.