Problems & Solutions with Education | Katharine Birbalsingh | ACADEMIA | Rubin Report
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- Katharine Birbalsingh (headmistress) joins Dave Rubin to discuss her founding of Michaela Community School - a free school established in London, and her journey from the left to the right, her approach to disciplining children, the importance of valuing knowledge, believing in equality of opportunity, and more. ***Subscribe: www.youtube.com...
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Man, she is awesome. Such a passionate educator. Thanks for having her on the show.
Agree totally
I enjoyed watching this a few days ago.... then low and behold I had the pleasure of bumping into her on the Tube. I let her know how much support she has, it's important that pioneers know this. Her experience of schools (and for me generally the public sector) is consistent with mine.
Her voice is needed in America…thank you! I am 76 years old, former teacher, and she is speaking truth.
One of the best interviews yet. Love the dragon lady.
Never heard of her before today, and I really like her. She is good people.
Her attitude is so refreshing. Love it.
I totally agree. I do this in my own classroom and the parent feedback absolutely baffles my colleagues. They put it down to my personality driving it all. The reality is that is a small part and it is the high expectations for all that drives it. No excuses. Our children deserve better.
Mrs. Birbalsingh is both brilliant and down to earth. Watching this video was time well spent. Thanks for having her on.
In a truly progressive society Kathy would be Minister of Education in the UK. Education would be transformed within a generation and for the better.
As a father, this interview is very inspiring. Thank you.
I LOVE this lady. Being from the UK it's so refreshing to hear this kind of discussion. Socialist ideas have ruined our once brilliant education system. 'Grammar Schools', which are paid for by the government but are for kids from any background on the basis of their intelligence, are now banned (or at least any new Grammar schools being opened are not allowed.) Insanity. They are the best route to social mobility of any system. Equality of outcome became more important from the 60s. Dreadful shame. We love you Katharine, keep doing what you're doing.
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That you believe academic childhood discrimination is a positive thing I find disturbing.
Wow! Brave, bold, inspiring and visionary. We need more Katherine Birbalsinghs! One of Dave's best interviews.
When I went to school, I learned history chronologically. First we did Egypt, Greece, Ancient Britons, Rome, Middle Ages etc etc and so on. When my son did history, he was being taught about women in the Renaissance vs black people in USA; what people ate in Asia a hundred years ago vs junk food diets on the west. How can you even begin to have these types of comparisons and discussions until you have at least learned the basics and sequence of events??? My son self-taught history and reads historical fiction, he knew more about the impacts of the Napoleonic Wars on 20th Century Europe than his teacher; who was a young woman so incurious about history she often publicly remonstrated with her class about how boring teaching history was. When talking about Genghis Khan with my son (who at the time was infatuated with him) she didn't have any idea of where he came from. She thought Ghenghis Khan was a Turk from the 1600s
This interview is an instant-classic. She is AWESOME!
@Katharine Birbalsingh The reason no one talks about education is because it is your lane. You are the expert on this part of the problem and you are doing an amazing job bringing it to light.
What is so odd about this broadcast is that it's simply common sense, there isn't any super transformational philosophy here. This isnt meant to be a criticism though it is meant to be an indictment on those that push such foolishness which results in our kids being completely ignorant. The educational initiatives of today are horrendous; these school alternatives are critical but you've got to understand that otherwise you are in a very dire predicament.
I agree with you mostly but education, as it now, is a system that might not change smoothly. This is not an anarchist position it's simply an issue that needs to be more discussed. I think if you listen to the Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Eric Weinstein "Report", you'll see this. The education system either way needs to be changed, as you've stated, but hopefully when this system transitions into something different there will be no loss of life. Which has been proven throughout history when whole Institutions or systems have changed.
Congratulations for your first GCSE results coming in at 4x the national average!!
Rubin where do you find these people.. way to go man.. Iove this lady
we need 10 clones of this wonderful woman in every school in the world. Evolutionary leap in one generation.
This woman is incredible! We need more Teachers like her...
"We give kids excuses to fail." Someone get this woman a beer.
I've now viewed this whole interview, having previously seen only the first half. Inspirational stuff from a very capable lady. More power to Miss Snuffy!
This is one of my favorite interviews, I don't have much of a platform but I'm a conservative who has been talking about education for a long time. Thank you for shining a spotlight on this issue.
I love that they teach children to.behave....this is needed...more...to infinity.
Beautiful, smart, passionate, woman. Great episode!
We need to give this woman and that kind of initiative more voices.
I enjoyed watching this a few days ago.... then low and behold I had the pleasure of bumping into her on the Tube. I let her know how much support she has, it's important that pioneers know this. Her experience of schools (and for me generally the public sector) is consistent with mine.
Absolutely amazing . Just listening to her made me feel like a little kid in school .
I work in education and everything she is saying is true. Love her. If I have any criticism it is that it is worse than she is saying because it is bad for other reasons too that are not mentioned here.
could you elaborate on the other reasons that make the education system bad?
Fabulous woman! What an effort she's making. Truly admirable!
Holy crap, this woman is magnificent. One of your best interviews ever, Dave.
What a remarkable person. Mainly the conviction and bravery.
Great interview, Dave. Katharine is right on the mark. Close to the end of this sit down you were discussing if people were "getting this". And I agree with you that people are starting to figure out what is going on, but Katharine's point is that there need to be considerable more urgency with the education issue are we are playing with the future of so many children. Frankly, what happen to education is on par with non consensual, experimental drug testing.
Absolutely brilliant thinker. Thank you for your great work Katharine!
Wow! As someone who helped found a charter school that does education differently, I LOVE this woman!
Her school system should be adopted by EVERY school
This is what passion looks like. Great interview.
Amazing, brilliant person. Grateful for her bravery, perseverance, commitment to children, and their actual education and future.
Thank you, Dave! This wonderful lady is just telling the truth. We need more of this!
What an absolutely GREAT talk. So inspiring. Thank you Katherine and Dave (who was really moved at the end:-)).
Oh this lady is a Sweet Perfume to my ears!!!! As someone who grew up in the lowly parts of one of the toughest cities inUK, ie; (Glasgow) during 50’s I attended 1 primary school but later several secondary schools as my parents found jobs. On every occasion I was put into a bottom level/dysfunction classroom until a proper academic “assessment” was made of my grades. Consequently my self esteem plummeted and I isolated to never return and finish school. It haunts me even today! Even so, I clung to my primary teachers who encouraged me greatly during my formative primary years AND encouraged me to reading and writing. I went on to study & become a Counselor and Advocate for children and women. The encouragement I received in primary ( history, English and reading RE) gave me enough impetus to never give up. my secondary schooling failed me because of a ‘systems approach’ to education. She hit it out of the park! Every precious child carries within, an ability to benefit and improve themselves and create a more confident and knowledgeable society.
One of your best interviews in a while. She's excellent!
Right at 24:00 Ms. Birbalsingh hits it right on the nail--it's all about how these pseudo good-doers feel. I can't imagine a more narcissistic view than to pat yourself on the back, doing things that only make you feel good, at the expense of another human being's well-being. I applaud her and all those who stood up to do the right thing for their youth. Kudos!
What an absolutely delightful, wonderful woman! I loved this interview and her many insights and the sharing of her experiences.
2019 GSSE results: Compared with other non-selective state schools, Michaela’s results rank among the best in the country. More than half (54%) of all grades were level 7 or above (equivalent to the old-style A and A*), which was more than twice the national average of 22%. Nearly one in five (18%) of all grades were 9s, compared with 4.5% nationally, and in maths, one in four results were level 9.
WOW! This has to be my new fav from Dave. Thanks Dave, great podcast
So glad your show exists man - TYT members can say what they like about you - you're doing big things, and this show - the people who come on, and the conversations you all have - inspire many people; including myself.
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Great to have her on the show. I have a deep respect her thinking.
Enjoyed this interview very much. What a dynamic, interesting person she is. Inspirational people come in so many shapes and sizes.
One of my favorite interviews, such a great discussion.
This woman is my new favourite person. She is a true role model!
Please set up a school here in Brisbane, Australia. We so desperately need you!
My favorite so far, what a powerful voice of reason
Great conversation. As a foreigner living/working in London, after talking with lots of primary school teachers around I absolutely agreed with her on this. The funny thing is that even leftist teachers admit all these ... all these on a certain way that these are happening.
Fantastic interview. She is a great role model for anybody going into teaching and kudos to her for having the courage to stand up to the "left".
If education is important to you, a great documentary to watch about the biggest problem, in my opinion, with schools here in America is "The Cartel: Education + Politics = $". It was an eye opener for me when I saw it almost 10 yrs ago and it still describes it. It uses the school system in New Jersey as the perfect example of what is wrong with the system all over America. It would be great if Dave did an interview with the guy that filmed it.
31:30 This is how I've come to view education, especially for younger children and teenagers. I've never been able to put it together as succinctly as Birbalsingh put it, though. Great interview!
Amazing lady. More strength to you!
My late mom was also called the Dragon Lady. She was a perfectionist, but was highly revered as a teacher and headmistress. To me as her untamable, uneducatable daughter, she was scary, formidable and a desciplinarian. I think in her latter years she understood me. No one could teach me anything, I had to learn the hard way on my own. Weirdly I was always told that I was above average. I have an inherent ahborrance of some of my 'intellectual' counterparts who got ahead in life 'in the eyes of the world', but who at times, seem so ignorant to me.
Didn't know who she was, but man ... that was really interesting.
Oh man, you don't teach details before context or big picture. Learn from Singapore, start with the context, present a problem, let them try solve it, introduce the theory which reveals the correct solution. That's how you teach problem solving. That's all the criticism I have for her. She's a hero, like all reasonable teachers.
In general (as in for students in higher grades and university), I agree with your approach - present the problem, have them try to abstract that, solve it, discuss their approach and progress made.
But for most children, the problem lies in them lacking the basic tools for that. In order to formulate a problem, you need a basic understanding of the field it's set in, thus they need basic knowledge in physics (as an example). If you spoonfeed them, they will feel the achievement of having understood the context without having worked for it or they most likely do not consider it interesting at all as in not worthwhile to explore and deepen knowledge...
So in order to provide an equal basis, kids first need a certain level of general knowledge, her example being simple maths from elementary school - oh boy, did we hate learning these tables, not knowing what it was for, but the success in solving contextualized problems felt ever more so sweet.
Johan Gustavsson How do you know they don't do that in her school. I would think they absolutely do in the specific context of the lesson.
Classical Education
1. Teach facts (memorization work like times tables, languages, grammar, etc.) - ages 1 to 12(ish)
2. Teach logic (now you have facts, how to use them) - ages 12 to 16(ish)
3. Teach rhetoric (now you have facts and logic, how to put them together coherently) - ages 16-18
It also "cuts with grain"...children learn languages/memorization way better than older youth. I remember hearing an interview of a University professor who taught Latin to grade 1&2 children and to University students. He said that the children were easily more proficient in Latin by the end of the term. Kids want to start arguing more when they are teens - great...if you want to argue...make sure you understand the rules of logic. Finally, they care how they present themselves when they get into mid-teens - then present your facts/arguments well too.
Love this woman, she is truly remarkable
A Nobel Prize for this wonderful human !
Like some of the other comments here, the ideas discussed in this interview aren't groundbreaking in any sense, but it's the conviction in which it's expressed is inspiring. What's really impressive, though, is her execution. This interview was awesome.
Brilliant. If only more teachers were like her.
I love this lady so much! Well done on a brilliant interview.
First time I listened to every word a teacher uttered.
Thank you for quoting the “If” poem, by Rudyard Kipling. Just looked it up and it’s so good.
LOVED this interview. Thank you Dave and Katharine.
I love this crusader ! Smart and driven !! and happy !
The left is notorious for racism thru low expectations. This was one of the best interviews yet!!
She is great. I plan to share this with my friends on FB.
I wish every educator was as smart and passionate as this lady. She's nailing it.
Her school just got top marks
Fantastic Teacher!!!!!
I think I've heard of this woman's school actually. In Year 11, I had to take extra English because I couldn't write my own language apparently (but I digress) My Extra-English Teacher, genuinely lovely guy, class was messing around this one time, and he was getting mildly annoyed. eventually, the says to us: "you should think yourselves lucky, there is a certain school in London where if you acted like this, you'd be in deep shit (these aren't his exact words) and if you wanted to get your parents in to gob off at the teachers, you'd get kicked out immediately"
I remember that that shut us all up pretty quick. One of the lasses who was in that lesson, I was sat with the lesson after, which was religious studies she says to me "would you wanna go to that school that sir were on about in that class?"
I said "I'd fuckin' love it dude" and she gave me the most confused look I've ever seen.
Wow nice. So if the parents have a disagreement with the teachers at michaelas HMP they'd kick the student out? Nice.
I wish there were more views on this video. This woman is an inspiration.
A cultured man cannot be completely free. He is restrained by the culture. And for a good reason.
What an enthusiastic and inspirational person 😊
1:08:20 "teaching children self control will make them free".... Jocko Wilink said "Discipline is Freedom". So true.
EXCELLENT , she is excellent.
It's interesting that it's some of the Islamic schools in the UK that have the highest performance in the nation, and it's something to do, I think, with order and structure with spiritual ethos. That chaos and disorder and troublemaking are not tolerated and students are expected to think and act morally.
Dave, I love this talk.
One of my favorite Rubin interviews!
WOW! What a great interview! This woman is a hero!
this lad y is an expert teacher .. so correct structure
Not enough views for this video (and the parts). For having 800k subs, 60k views is criminal. You have such great guests on but they aren't always well known. Perhaps you could do short, periodic calendar videos that tell your subscribers who's upcoming. They might be able to research them and would create hype.
what an awesome interview to a smart lady bravo Rubin!
17:37 "They need to feel like they're being inspired to work hard". While I agree with the sentiment here, that inspiration is motivating, you've got to be a bit careful with the language. If you say they've got to be inspired, it risks giving them another victimhood card, where they can shift the burden onto others to inspire them and be excused when they're not. So, while they're not entitled to inspiration, it can go along way in motivating them to work hard.
We have reached a level that when an educator says "the school is there to transfer knowledge so i ll teach" is considered elitist/racist/exclusive/conservative/oppressive etc.
What else are children supposed to do at school?
You should talk to Adam Carolla about this stuff too. He's so awesome and I saw him once, but didn't get to talk to him.
Have you seen his episode on Ben Shapiro's Sunday special?
Ксения Ковалевская he would bitch about traffic and buying classic cars
Thoroughly enjoyed meeting her in the Rubin interview. How refreshing!
Some great perspectives here.
More proof that School Choice is the best way to go... more competition = better results... public and private...
She needs to be our Secretary of Education.
Without a doubt one of my top 3 favorite Rubin interviews
Excellent...her philosophy of education is fundamentally Aristotelian in making the vital distinction between techne and epikiea
Katharine Birbalsingh for the next priminister of Britain!
Excellent interview!! 🤗
Great interview! I've been waiting to hear this ❤️
Excellent, thanks Dave/Katharine!
I hope in her school boys and girls are graded without discrimination although it is impossible to do so. If people really knew how girls really perform in tests except languages they will be shocked.
Fantastic guest. Rubin, it would be really interesting to see you do more on our educational system and this was a great start along with the work you've done with the Weintein's. It would be interesting to do see a panel of educational maverik's like the group of people behind the Los Angelas charter schools in the documentary "Waiting for Superman", along with some of the parents and students that have gone through those systems.
If state schooling can't be fixed from within, external and alternative private school options could use a lot more coverage on how they're performing and what can be done to promote the best education we can provide to kids outside of the state system. You could do a whole series, from how to pick the right private/charter institution, what they stand for, etc. finding the right college fit and how to put your life on track. It would benefit parent's and kids and be insightful like this interview was.
Over this last weekend I was pumping gas and talking on a cell phone a few feet from my vehicle. A large guy drove up and accosted me threatening that I was going to blow everyone up. I pay him no mind and was heading inside to the station to purchase an item when he hops out of his car and runs after me aggressively to further berate me attempting to pick a fight and calling names after me. Lovely person he. I know enough that any verbal dialogue would provoke a fight from this type of deranged individual who was hot under the collar so I backed away and passively and didn't respond in kind.
The point being porr education can breed bad ideas and bad ideas can lead to dangerous outcomes both physically and economically in a country. Something as simple as people picking fights with strangers over a myth they've bought into is dangerous and unproductive just as a great many other broader issues all of our countries face from the rise of socialism to the anti-life movement as Alex Epstein calls them.