Descendants 2 (Musical Hell Review #74)
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All these disney kids and they miss a good opportunity.
“Tell me again how you’re related to Yzma.”
“Why she’s my third cousin’s wife’s brother’s step-niece’s great aunt...uh twice removed.”
Alternatively, "She was my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." But that would only make sense if the audience had watched _Spaceballs,_ which doesn't seem likely for the Disney Channel audience.
"Really? SHe looks more like your great great great great..." "greatgreatgreat grandmother"
@@timothymclean hey, you'd be surprised, I watched Spaceballs when I was still young enough to be watching Disney Channel
I wish there was scar's and the tiger chick from tarzan the series hybrid child
Wait why isn't there anyone from the emperors new groove even mentioned. They could get a really good joke about king adam debating where kuzco should go
God these raps just scream “The kids like Hamilton rap right?”
Ya Boi Ayden Sadly, this trend is even dipping in to good shows. There was an episode of Elena of Avalor called "A Spy in the Palace" and the two main antagonists started rapping about how they're coming back stronger than ever. One of those lyrics (I kid you not) was "We're gonna prove the haters wrong." 🤦🏼♀️
The like the well versed raps of Hamilton
That business of rap showing up in kids' entertainment is far older even than Hamilton. It always seemed to me to scream, "Look! LOOK! We're being all hip and relevant for the kids!" when what it really looked like was your grandmother attempting teen slang.
lafEYETTEIMTAKINGTHISHORSEBYTHERAINSMAKINGREDCOATSREDDERWITHBLOODSTAINS-
Some Crazed Nerd Disney wouldn’t make a song like guns and ships, because the Disney channel demo wouldn’t understand it
Why is Cinderella's kid a jerk? I understand Charming-Prince-isn't-so-charming-cliche, but Cinderella was known for being one of the most caring Princesses and was bullied most her life, why did she let her son become this?
Same reason why the son of one of the smartest Disney Princesses is such a moron.
They at least gave him a thing about tolerance in the first film, Cinderella's kid is just portrayed as generic "Handsome Prince that is really a jerk (because this joke will never get old)"
+Nectar Vam Problem with that is Cinderella of all people would know the results of spoiling a kid and her Stepmother would be the last person she took parenting advice from.
But they canonically have the ability to resurrect people (since they were able to do it to the villains who died at the end of their movies just to banish them to the Isle of the Lost)! So why couldn't they bring back the various heroes' parents who died?
And honestly, the Prince not so Charming trope for some reason feels super old and tired despite I not having seen it all that much. It kinda lazy that in an effort to "break convention" from the "cliche" of the unrealistic and bland Prince Charming you go into the complete opposite direction and make a bland, one dimensional jerk
These children names are astoundingly unimaginative. They really couldn't spring for a Chinese name for Mulan's daughter for fear of people not getting it?
That's called lazy writing for the names for the children of Disney heroes and villains. Why couldn’t Hook’s son be called James Hook Jr, that would be fitting.
Right like even those Ever After High dolls had more effort put into their names
Ash A you mean like Apple White and Kitty Cheshire? Yeah.... like those two are subtle
Really unfortunate because Mulan's guy identity was a really subtle name that basically meant a feminine guy.
@@scarletbeth3464 Better than Mal (MALeficent)
You know the whole daughter wanting to join the fencing team would have been at least a little better if instead of Mulan’s daughter wanting to join it is revealed that Snow White has a daughter and she was the one who wanted to be fencer. Have the sweet pacifist princess have a tomboyish daughter who is more interested in combat over the obvious daughter of Mulan and Li Shang who are both warriors in that role. Also I think that Ever After High did this whole children of fairy tales going to high school a lot better because it actually talked about how messed up their system was and how quite a few characters rebelled against their chosen destiny instead of having it be about villain children are allowed into “polite society” if they can conform.
Lisa Sand probably another reason why Descendants is an inferior copy of Ever After High, they claim to want help the villain kids, but only if they conform. Every After High is more about changing the society that forces you to conform. I also can’t see Descendants ever making a big reveal like Ever After High where they had it so the true love of Snow White’s daughter ended up being the Princess Darling Charming over one of her brothers. Also I do agree, why are those guys freaking out about a girl wanting to be a fencer when they are probably exposed to some very strong willed women who wouldn’t put up with such backwards ways of thinking.
Morgan Young wait you mean that Apple and Darling are actually in a relationship? I’ve never watched the show but I had a fond interest in the premise not so long ago.
oh yeah totally
Morgan Young oh......I just realised...
Morgan Young APPLE WHITE'S TRUE LOVE IS WHO *looks it up*
Oh my God
I am so happy
I have never felt more validated in my entire life I can't deal thank you so much for sharing this with me
Do people including Disney not get Mulan? It's not just about girl power and reducing it down to that does the movie a injustice. Mulan is a great character and I dare say her intelligence is her defining trait. Not that I don't think she could kick ass. However she uses more of her quick thinking and clever planing to win then just raw power.
GrandCorsair Exactly! They also forget that Mulan wasn't originally trying to prove anything. She just wanted to save her father from getting killed. A lot of people also forget that she wasn't immediately the strong, confident character we know her as. She felt insecure about who she was what she was meant to do.
Also if I remember correctly I don't recall Mulan in her movie ever stating she hated dresses despite what many people think
+Jesse 15 If anything that was Merida's trait, (Which kinda left her a little bland in my opinion) Mulan was more uncomfortable (However that had more to do with the Interview and not the clothes) than out right hating being dolled up.
Gaby Droz yes!! And if anything she was more clumsy and sloppy than she was “un-lady like” or unfeminine
True That I HATE LONNIE"
I had to watch this with my niece. Only positive thing I got out of this was that the actors playing the villains seemed to be aware of their cheese and were intentionally being over the top, which made their performances somewhat fun to watch. Everything else made me roll my eyes. The “protagonists” took their roles way too seriously for this kind of movie
I really enjoyed Jane's character development. She goes from a mousy pushover to a independent, outgoing presence and isn't above taking charge of a situation.
As for Ben...he was born a imbicil and he will die an imbicil.
Word of advice Ben...GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BLEACHED ASSHOLE AND LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCTS SHOULD SUCH THINGS EXIST IN YOUR OWN MIND!
So according to this, uh, corporately sanctioned fan fiction, Adam learned nothing from his time as a beast and Belle no longer gives people second chances.
lightbeamrider The ruling class are real villains of this story.
Will Lyon
So, Iron Man’s the one behind all this malarkey...
@@austinreed7343 For example, the Sultan was a man child, King Triton abused his powers, The Prince/Beast was spoiled 11 year brat, Prince John, Queen Grimhilda, and The Queen of Hearts were villains in the Disney Golden Age.
I like how Gaston has a son out of wedlock tbh. Unlike many villains, his whole arc was based around marriage. He didn't get Belle before he died so one of those bar wenches had to raise that kid alone (or maybe the bar wenches had a whole unorthodox family system). If it was anyone but Disney, there'd be some very interesting character issues to unpack here. I guess that's what's wrong with Descendants. There's an amazing opportunity here and they all take the easiest ways out possible.
I was thinking the very same thing...if Gaston had sired a daughter...who is a blonde...and at one point mentions that she has a mother and two aunts,but doesn't know which is which,they might've had something.
I was kind of really disappointed that Gaston didn’t have 3 sons each from one of the Bimbettes. I mean, it makes complete sense to me that it would be the logical way of things.
I dont think the parent deaths in the movies count in the descendants movies. Ursula is still alive and het tentacles show up in the bar scene with Uma
@@RizuTheCatLady if I remember correctly, in the books it is stated that the villains who died were brought back to life and then sent to the Isle of the lost. They were given children created by magic in hopes that parenting could help them reform, but that didn't turn out so well, as we see.
That's why all villains have kids, they didn't get married or something, they weren't even born naturally
@@karlapinkie7697 whoa thats insane ._.
I actually think China Anne McClain is this movie's saving grace. She really does get the character out well, and isn't that bad at singing.
The Musicalman24601 like I hate but love how Ben and uma worked in this movie. There is a side of me that ships it but I know it won’t happen.
She did her best with bad material. Also What's My Name slaps tbh
Thats why she looked so familiar to me its the girl from ant farm.
@@nyx1616 yeah ships and Ursula don't go well together...
She is actually didn’t youse auto tune she is a good singer not a not that bad singer
Using a truth serum (or fantasy equivalent) to get over can't-spit-it-out-itis is pretty creative! It also justifies why such things exist, without getting into questions about one's right not to self-incriminate. Having a magical thingy get eaten by a dog so they can have a talking animal sidekick is...less so.
Veritaserum.
@@jwhaler82 When was that used to get over an inability to spit it out? I'm pretty sure it was only ever used to make people spill the beans, unwillingly.
It also just really makes you question where THE ORIGINAL TALKING ANIMAL SIDEKICKS ARE
Except, if I remember correctly, wasn't the truth spell in this movie permanent? As in, he would never again, for the rest of his life, be able to NOT blurt out every single thought on his mind? All because he was afraid to tell a girl he liked her. Why do Disney movies have to have the most extreme and stupid solutions when common sense will do just fine?
"You didn't think this was the end of the story, did you?"
No but I was really really hoping so.
They've got a 3rd movie to get too.
Tommy Deonauth's Archives I had no plans to see the third installment
can't wait to see the third one and extend my guilty pleasures list
I recently saw the trailer and you can see how butchered Hades is. How can fuck up HADES!!! Even in Hercules(Disney) his origin isn’t right but he is still a compelling character. I enjoyed evil Hades and now he looks like a horrible costume gone wrong but the actor still wore it just to piss off fans.
THERE MAKING A FORTH ONE OF THESE
4:29 "a team will be comprised of a captain and 8 men" You heard him Lonnie, you have to be the captain.
Aaaaaaand that's exactly what happens :P
The plot is so simple we can guess it!
And that's really supposed to be good for her - being put in charge of a team that hasn't learned to respect her yet and will turn on her once she makes the tiniest mistake?
@@fermintenava5911 Exactly! Sounds like a plan...that wasn't properly thought out at ALL!
I think the most frustrating thing about Descendents is how much potential it has.
Take for example, Uma bewitching Ben. It's a really great parallel to the Little Mermaid, but Uma doesn't learn anything from it. She doesn't realise that she's making the exact same mistakes as Ursula, and so doesn't try to do better (either as a person or as a villain.) In fact, she does it worse, because Ursula at least had the forethought to render Ariel mute, making communication difficult for her and Eric. (Side note, do they actually appear in the films? Because I am genuinely curious to know if Melody is part of the Disney extended canon or not.) Point is, parallels to what came before are cool, but only if you do something with them. Uma should have known Ursula's plan failed because of true love's kiss, and so should have planned for Mal to be far enough away from the event that by the time she got there, the spell was sealed and Ben was hers. Rub it in her face later, when it's too late for her to do anything, damn it. (Side note 2: Why did Uma need Mal's spellbook? Ursula was a competent witch in her own right, surely she would have had her own spellbooks. Even if Uma and her mom weren't particularly close, kids have a way of getting into things they shouldn't.)
Even the nature vs nurture thing falls apart because the protagonists were raised amongst the villains. What if they had been raised in Auradon by foster parents with the explicit intentions of proving that people aren't inherently evil. Then their parents contact them in some way to get the wand, and there are now genuine questions of nature vs nurture, as well as, you know, establishing that people aren't good or evil, but fall somewhere in between.
I actually do like the aspect of the slums though. Again, it's wasted potential because they could have actually done something with the rigid heroes/villains caste system, but they didn't. The world of Descendents runs on a monarchy. Now, I know a hardcore look at the rebellion of the proletariat would be far too heavy for a kids movie, but it would have been interesting to see that caste system explored. What are the different cultural norms between Auradon and the slums, other than one is lawful and the other is chaos? How do these cultures affect and shape the people in them, and how are they shaped by people in return? Rather than some sort of weird one-off system, why not have upward movement be something that's possible, but only at the cost of conformity. Have a character actually have an identity crisis because their only way out of the slums is to give up everything they believe. It seems like they tried to do this with Mal in this movie, but it came across as though she was only doing it for Ben and not herself (and that's a whole other kettle of fish that I'm not going to get into.)
StrangeSalad Dressing I think you gave me an idea
Lady Fa Li Mulan: Lonnie, you need to put aside your feelings in order to join the Knights of the Throne.
Lonnie: Ma, why can’t I become a Flower Artist?
Mulan: Because war could come at any moment and I cannot afford for my daughter not to become a great warrior!
I found it ironic when They discovered that Uma used a love potion and everyone acted appalled, but Mal did that,Ben just shrugged it off. Quite hypocritical.
I'm with you. Whenever I'm watching Descendants reviews there's always this feeling that the material could be salvaged. Not even all the elements in the movie are bad in this current form. The production design and costumes for example are really cool and give the movie an interesting look.
This plot point of how Disney just frustrating on how they butchered the love triangle in the original Little Mermaid story. First of all it a case of mistake identity and The Mermaid’s motivation on becoming human wasn’t simply because of love or running away from her father it was that she wanted a human soul. Second their is no villain in the original story, the sea witch told her about the consequences of what will happen to her if she doesn’t win the Prince’s love and the other girl that the Prince ends up marrying isn’t evil.
The sad thing is, Descendants 3 actually grabbed a GOOD actor for their movie, Cheyenne Jackson (he’s playing Hades), and it sucks watching how he feels “honored” to be a part of such trash. He deserves better than that.
That aside, who approved of Ulma’s costume? If they hadn’t even mentioned it, I wouldn’t have known at all she was related to Ursula. No white hair (seriously), no wicked witchy personality, no heavy on the makeup or even another Divine-inspired look...nothing. Just how can you call her Ursula’s daughter at all?
Well in the movie Uma has braids and your can get the hair for the braids in different colors.
tunnel times yeah, and yet I still had a higher guess that she was Captain Hook’s daughter than ever even thinking Ursula at all.
Are they going to make Hades the bad guy again or just a misunderstood god just like in the original mythology?
Lisa Sand This is why Disney can’t do justice to the original stories. Percy Jackson was a much better retelling of the Greek myths and legends.
Chatnoir 77888 Not to mention what they did to Hades in Once Upon a Time. They are repeating and regurgitating all there animated movies just exploit our nostalgia for profit.
I will say this: Descendants and its sequel are absolute TOP tier when it comes to drinking movies. By the time the interminable third act rolls around, you should be so pleasantly buzzed that you don't really care. A starter set of drinking rules is below the read more.
Drink when:
Teenagers absolutely talk like this
GAY!!!
Depressingly straight
Good choreography
Wtf were you thinking, [character]??
Shoved in for the reference
THIS will impress the teens
CGEyes
Legit moment of good character development
TheUnspokenKibbles I don't drink but can we also add in...?
A character that's supposed to be dead has a kid
Someone does something stupid
The special effects are cheap
Continuity to the original films are flushed down the toilet
Mae R What about the hangover?
Take a shot every time a character just bluntly states who their parents are. "I'm Doug, Dopey's son" DRINK "I'm Lonnie, my mom's Mulan" DRINK "Son of Hook! Son of Gaston!" DOUBLE DRINK
Don't forget: "I'm the child of so and so."
The saddest thing about these films is that there was so much potential in them and they could have been good, not brilliant but good.
The good exceptions in this movie:
Mal and Uma's rivalry.
Jane's character development.
Harry being a yummy thirst trap, right around the time Thomas Doherty and Dove Cameron began dating.
#relationshipgoals
You want descendents, but wayyytt better try Ever After High
Go cry crybaby
I'd seriously prefer Lonnie embracing her feminine side over this bullcrap. In the first movie, she's afraid to be as quirky and kind and feminine as she wants, but you're gonna tell me that by the second movie she's ready to retread her mother's story arch? The whole point is that kids can be different from their parents, and not only are you going against to that, but you're actively saying that Lonnie as a kind-hearted, happy princess is something that should not be encouraged. We have this idea that feminism is about rejecting social roles, when really all it is is giving women the power of choice, and we should not shame them for choosing to become a housewife or a mother, as long as they chose to do so
Again, Chad's mom is Cinderella! One of the nicest princesses in the line up.
I read a theory which speculates that Cinderella didn't want her son to suffer from the same type of neglect she suffered from at the hands of her step-family, so she spoiled him as a result.
Caitriona Quigley Maybe, but you’d think she’d teach him morals and to respect others.
@@trinaq Yeah, and the prince in most of the earlier movies are just arm candy for the princess so there isn't anything to build a personality off of.
Considering that Cinderella knew the result of spoiling a kid and how she also suffered from emotional neglect from her step-family, that seem unlikely.
Maybe his grandfather spoiled him?
Hook's kid kind of looks like a poor man's Bucky Barnes
Derek Johns Or Jack Sparrow’s son.
That’s what he is.
He does lol
Maggie O'Connell Why can’t they call him James Hook Jr?
@@willlyon7129 because that would require some compatence put on this dumpster fire
It's not segregation you should be looking at. It's a reservation system. Auradon locks people in a reservation and then takes their kids, raises them in their culture, and force them to leave behind their homeland and all the people they love.
victor hoang It would have been a lot less icky and a lot more interesting if the Heroes let the Villains conquer the Isle of the Lost and rule that nation as its oppressive ruling class in exchange for leaving Auradon alone. And the Villain Kids basically chose to flee their abusive home lives (in my version, Jafar is literally a drug addict and Ursula is an actual alcoholic) and escape to a world they hope will be better for them, rather than this tacky Residential School thing.
The ruling class are the real villains of the story.
I think the issue with drawing comparisons to either segregation/reservation (even when the series is actually trying to make those comparisons) is that to some degree, the separation in-story was motivated by individuals being 'villains'- killing people, cursing them, etc., and a misguided desire to protect people by putting them all in 'jail'. While obviously the kids don't deserve it, I'm uncomfortable when they make comparisons to the real world and real minorities for this reason. The motivation wasn't because certain people in minority groups were each individually villains and the rest were punished because of their evil ancestors, it came from racism, colonialism, and greed.
@Morley
This exactly. This is also, as pointed out in a more recent video, the very reason Z-O-M-B-I-E-S didn’t work as a racism allegory- the oppressed group in this scenario is known for eating people’s flesh if not for a power-limiter bracelet, which is a perfectly valid reason for the humans to fear them.
@@Dreigonix Basically yeah. I'm pretty sure we've never had to tranquilize black people lest they starting munching on gray matter. Like, wouldn't equalizing those two scenarios just validate the whole "X group is naturally aggressive/threatening" non-sense?
Man, am I livid with what they did with Gaston's son. Gaston is a character who teeters between good and evil. He's not outright a villain, but he's not exactly a hero either. Obnoxious and self absorbed, sure, but his actions towards the end of the movie were spurned from fear of the unknown (Beast), and being rejected by Belle.
Gil should have been a gentle giant type of character who is thoughtful, well spoken, and polite to everyone. He doesn't try to hide his lineage, and shows that he is a better person than his father. Like Gaston, he should be adored by the people for being charismatic and the star athlete. Gaston lives vicariously through his son and pushes him to pursue the most popular girl. Gil, however, has no interest in the "prom queen", and instead has a crush on Jane. She doesn't see him as the "son of Gaston" or the star athlete. Just another guy.
Give me some time, I can think up a better story here.
Xanegoh That’s a good point about Gaston. He was not good enough to be a hero, but not so bad he was a total villain. Conceited, yes. But not evil. I agree with about him at the end. I bet he was angry his plan did not work. I mean what did he expect when he tries to black mail Belle?!
....are we forgetting "blackmail the girl i like into marrying her otherwise ill throw her dad into a horrible insane asylum"? Hes more realistic in his villainy, and that's honestly what puts him just behind Frollo in how scary he is.
Maybe it's clear that Gaston was running a campaign for town leader and possible usurp the their sovereign ruler(Prince Adam) by easily manipulating the townsfolk because they were a bunch of illiterate peasants.
Gaston actually progresses to "outright villain" by the end of the story, mainly motivated by his rejection by Belle and steering him towards blackmail.
@@willlyon7129 Gaston is a baffoon, but the Gaston Derangement Syndrome exhibited by his opposition is unreal.
Ursula was a very manipulative type woman. She was able to make people belive she had their best interests at heart, pick at the flaws and worries and offer to fix them...for a price. The actress who plays her daughter is a very pretty girl and I think it would have been better to perhaps make her flirtatious, overly kind (in an almost disturbing way), sassy and vain. A natural seductress that doesn’t need magic to pull people like Ben in but her own wicked charm (or if magic has to be involved have one of her natural magical abilities be to captivate people). And then maybe as a twist reveal that she’s actually very self conscious, thinks to hard into things, and has a fear of being alone, having people she doesn’t want to admit she considers family turn their back on her. Also make her hair white and her outfit black and purple. I haven’t seen the movie but from the clips I seen in this movie I feel like, in my opinion, that would be the best way to improve the character.
Actually... that would have been amazing. Sigh. Such potential down the drain.
@Chatnoir 77888 Honestly just give Uma a blue, purple, and stormy gray color scheme that would look awesome!
I wouldn't really say Ursula was that manipulative (Mostly because her design was purposefully made to lack subtly in that regard, her eels didn't help matters either, cool voices all around, but again no subtlety)
Ariel enters that lair and there's darkness and red flags EVERYWHERE and yeah I get her need on the simple promise to see the world and her being a young girl and she was in a vulnerable state, even rejecting the offer to see her at first, but it just seemed like it was more on her teenage impulse to rebel that it worked.
Heck if Ursula was really manipulative she could have turncoated any of the other mermaids/mermen. And she had to resort to charming anyway to get Eric hypnotized.
@@TheKpa11 Exactly. Ariel never read the contract as she closed her eyes while signing and Ursula did specify the price Ariel had to pay and explained why her voice was necessary to be taken away. Ursula was teaching Ariel that life isn’t always fair and you can’t always get what you want by asking for it.
I burst out laughing at 10:29 when Gil is trying to reveal to Ben that Gaston is his dad. Yeah, I don't think you want to remind Ben how your dad tried to murder his father or marry his mother against her will.
Though to be fair, he was probably more likely by his Bimbette mother who has an idealized version of Gaston, so he might not know all the real details.
harrietamidala1691 How come no one in Belle’s village ever realized that the Beast was actually a prince turn by an enchantress?
Swallowtail Drake Why couldn’t the enchantress switch curses from Price Adam to Gaston. That worked in the 1946 version.
@Swallowtail Drake Well it's not my fault that Disney ripped off on a 1946 French surrealism black and white film that was made 45 years before the Americanized versions we known and love today. We have a rival suitor for the heroine check, a magic mirror check. What’s the difference in the 1946 version compared to the Disney version. The 1946 version stayed true to the original fairytale with Belle’s Sisters as the secondary antagonists for being petty, selfish and vain, and were left out in the Disney version because they didn’t want to make women look like the villains and made the rival suitor villain in the movie.
Swallowtail Drake Exactly, that’s what I meant. Disney is ripping off other people’s creations and they get away with it as the most powerful companies in the world.
The songs are so overproduced I can't actually hear what they're singing!
Why do Disney Channel Original Movies still have the exact same type of cinematography that they had back in the 90's? Watching the clips, if I didn't know any better, I thought this would've come out in 1997 rather than 2017!
Thank you for expressing a(nother) problem I've had while watching these clips from it. I know Disney's TV movie stuff doesn't exactly have the same budget as their theatrical movies, but they could at least put forth more effort to make them at least look decent.
Agreed. Lifetime Movies are hardly visually dazzling but they've at least started using an HD Camera. If this movie's any indication, Disney Channel Original Movies STILL look like someone wiped vaseline on the camera.
During the 80s and 90s, Disney channel use to air movies that weren’t Disney property. Those were the good old days.
“What? You didn’t think this was the end of the story?”
No...we just wish it was.
Don't. We. ALL?
9:58: To be fair, the overproduced song-and-dance number about villainy kind of _is_ a good way to blend into that neighborhood.
16:35: I had kinda missed the bit where Diva mentioned Uma's parentage, so I kinda assumed she was related to one of Captain Hook's cronies. Nothing in her design (pre-transformation) reminds me of Ursula; couldn't they at least have given her white hair or a black-and-lavender outfit or something?
I suspect they felt the black-and-purple motif would make her look too similar to Mal.
I like the hair tho
Honestly I adored UVA’s design, her hair is sick and both it and her skirt remind you of octopus tentacles, but aside from that I agree with you, she doesn’t look much like Ursula, but honestly I love her color palette and outfit and feel like it’s not as much of a literal corny interpretation of her mother’s style, unlike the other characters of the movie
Also, it’s read that we have the daughter of a Sea Witch and the son of a famous Pirate Captain, and yet this movie doesn’t try to be a seafaring adventure as opposed to just another tedious school drama.
I think putting her hair in braids was supposed to emulate tentacles, but that's all I got
*Space Between Starts Playing*
Me: “Evie and Mal are a more developed and better ship than Mal and Ben....” 😂
Yeah, the space between is a love song. also mal didn’t poison Evie so there’s that.
This was a long time coming for this fanfic sequel.You're a very brave demon punishing yourself to this.
No punishment is worse than punishing yourself with cruddy Disney movies.
12:43 this song literally sounds like a love song more than a friendship song so uuuuuuuuuuuuh
Oh yes. The whole time I was like _“KISS KISS KISS”_
Their Disney’s Gelphie.
I-yeah, should've made Mal gay. At least then they would have to make up a smarter reason for her to be saving the king other than Love
I'm glad China Anne-McClain got to be on Black Lightning at least, she's a pretty good actress I think.
China is an amazing actress and singer!
12:28 It's official, Mal and Evie should've been a couple
They have more chemistry too, but no, that would be gross(sarcasm)(where's MY likes?)
They have better chemestry than Mal and Ben, or Carlos and Jane (where THAT that even from??)
You are not the first person to say that. There are a surprising amount of people that think Mal and Evie should've been a couple.
Heck, Ben and Carlos had better chemistry in the first movie.
Chaotic Neutral agree, it could be like legend of korra
You know, something I'm really starting to appreciate about High School Musical is that, with the exception of a few more hip-hop type songs, it mostly stuck to a generic showtunes and ballads style of music, which at least fit into its colourful, all-singing, all-dancing, corny romance setting. Plus, you know, the story was actually about singing. Descendants, as well as having no real reason to be a musical (because it's obvious that this is supposed to be a trendy, modern, 'real' Disney universe where people shouldn't be randomly bursting into song,) shows just how much more awful High School Musical would have been if it had been full of would-be pop songs rather than songs for a school play.
+Lady Marmalade
When you’re being driven to appreciate High School Musical, you know things have gotten bad. Also, hi again!
I don't understand why this franchise needs to have anything to do with the disney canon. They could've made up an original universe with original villains and nothing would have changed.
Extreme Light9 I don't know why either. The original princesses or any other original character for that matter, have all bee derailed. Belle and Beast would never be prejudice towards the villains' children as (1.) They would know it's not the kids' fault. And (2.) Both Beast and Belle would know darn well what it feels like to be judged for something that's out of your control. ESPECIALLY Beast. As for Cinderella and Aurora, they're two of the nicest princesses. How could they have spoiled brats for children? Especially when they would've had Aurora's fairy godmothers, parents, Phillip, Charming, Charming's father and even the mice for help?
Marketability and a desire to stick it to Mattel.
Also, doing this would have improved the script a lot. Every single character has to be introduced as a character's son or daughter. It gets really annoying, specially because 90% of the times it doesn't make any sense for it to be said, they just do it so that the audience can know it. Which could be shown instead of being told so blatantly.
To think about it Disney did that with the Sorcerers of Magic in WDW and it's done a lot better, if only I could afford it.
Simply worded:
BRAND.
NAME.
RECOGNITION.
;)
I still maintain that the _other_ fairy tale cash cow tie-in franchise, "Ever After High", is a much better exploration of heroes and villains than anything Disney has come up with.
thirteenfury Do I find it ironic that Disney is ripping off other works that were created before? Not to mention The School for Good and Evil.
That, and Disney ripped off Fables that became the bland soap opera Once Upon a Time.
I find it hilarious that the costume designer was like "How do we show these kids are the spawn of villains? Oh, I know, give EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM fingerless gloves and leather jackets."
this movie always bugs me with all the opportunities at being awesome or witty that are thrown out the window, especially that final "battle". you'd think they'd actually have some fun with the concept of a dragon versus a sea witch
Uma, daughter of Ursela the sea witch
What she SHOULD be able to do: immense knowledge of spell crafting and potion alchemy passed down from her aunt/master of manipulation and deceit
What she SHOULD have been doing: upset that mal and the others wouldn't allow her to hang out with them, when in reality Uma only wanted to get close to Mal to talk about combining their magic powers to create a spell/potion that'll finally let them pass through/brake the barrier without the need for fairy god mothers wand. But, being wrapped around her mother's pinky finger, mal ignored Uma's pleas, leaving Uma to hold a great distain for Mal and her friends, which only added insult to injury when they four specifically got the chance of a life time that Uma felt she deserved. with the big dogs gone, that left Uma as the most powerful sorceress in the isle, tricking Hook's son(cant remember name for s***) and his crew into being her lackeys, and later forming a close, yet secret, friendship with Gaston's son(Also cant remember name for s***).
What her motivations SHOULD have been: get back at Mal for not listening nor helping her/ wanting to escape the isle, thirst for power and vengeance, payback for not only HER mother, but for Gaston since his son's still bitter about that, finally getting justice for the remainers of the isle, not being compared to her mother or be tied to her mistakes, etc.
How that final scene SHOULD have went down: Uma turns begins to grow while still being on the ship, using her tentacle to -turn this into Disney's first hentai film- snatch lizard Maleficent away from Mal and chuck her into the sea, saying something along the lines of "my mother died while at her best, now watch as yours dies at her lowest", before jumping off the boat, knocking down chad charming along the way. thinking that Uma just DROWNED HER MOTHER, Mal finally snaps, her anger tapping into a power she never knew she had until then, and transforms into the dragon. Uma bursts out of the water, dwarfing the boat in size having out grown her dress, scales having grown all over her body, eye glowing with murderous intent, ready to tear the boat and everyone in it in half.
The daughter of maleficent, the daughter of Ursela, duking it out head to head, sea against air, fire against water, -black versus white- born evil against reformed good
-all the while Crush 40 is playing in the background- . Mal attempting to grab Uma and fly her into the air to properly roast her calamari ass, Uma trying to grab Mal to pull her down under the sea, sending her with their mothers into a watery grave. Meanwhile the prince, regaining consciousness and being debriefed of the situation, jumps into the water to save for Maleficent, knowing she isn't even bad enough to deserve this fate. once found, the prince swims over to the fighting colossi and shows Mal that her mother is still alive and well, quelling the anger in Mal's heart and making her calm down. seeing her chance, Uma grabs the prince and uses him for a shield. he tries to talk some sense into her, telling her to look at herself and that she's indeed become her mother and is in fact making the same mistake that she did. Uma makes him look her in the eye and promise to keep good on his word and bring over more villan kids to the mainland. with that last thought she throws him back onto the boat and makes her escape, remembering the spell she used to get out in the first place and swearing to bring hell unto the poor unfortunate souls!
Jazzcat00 Now that’s much better! 👏🏾
They thought it was more important to show that it's not always necessary to fight to resolve a disagreement.
Give this girl an OSCAR!!
I like. ESPECIALLY the Crush 40 part. BIG fan of their work for Sonic!
@Jazzcat00
WE NEED A FANFIC OF THIS
AND THE CRUSH 40 BIT YEEEESSSSSSSSSS
Am I the only one who felt uncomfortable after learning that Uma was Ursula's daughter? Seriously, there are some questions you don't want to ask about this world.
"Mommy? Where do babies come from?"
Babies come from when a ship really loves a giant squid lady and inpales her
Christian Colon Good one! 😂😆
Like does this mean that a substantially smaller version of her bad CGI squidform is actually her true nature? If so why does she need a spellbook when clearly she's got at least some of the magic power her mom has in order to have legs?
Nooo now that’s all I can think about!!!
Swallowtail Drake Maybe she’s the daughter of Cthulhu.
Actually the cartoon spinoff was way better...granted anything would be better than what we got but you could tell they had talented writers working on them. Why they don't use these same writers for the movies is anyone's guess
Why then don't just make more of Wicked World is also anyone's guess
I'm glad that I'm not the only one to think that. Wicked World is way better than the two movies.
I love Wicked World!
I personally don't like Wicked World. The animation style is atrocious for me, and the movements were weird. The character models were also weird.
Wicked World was okay but some episodes were just really annoying
The movie was just an excuse to produce a bunch of over-produced music videos wasn't it?
Uma's hair would take at least a week to braid and color after every shower. Also, that is NOT Ursula.
Why does Evie come off as a far more developed, sympathetic, and central character than Mal? The actresses should've switched parts.
Fred Leggett This is the daughter of Davey Jones.
When you said that, I thought you were talking about Davy Jones from The Monkees, not Davy Jones and his locker.
Still strikes me as strange that, while they strove to be animated accurate with the other villains, they pulled a Cursed Child Hermione on Ursula. Something ain't right in that sea.
@Chatnoir 77888 No doubt. I'm surprised Mulan's daughter isn't a Chinese-Ugandan blend.
Now that you mention it why is Ursala's daughter black? Shouldn't she be purple or white or at the very least a lighter shade of black?
@@BlueDragonknight375 Well, according to Descendants and not the animated classic that kicked-off the entire Disney Renaissance , they're both black. Will Lyon above said Uma's father is suppose to be Davy Jones, but I'm still not putting my money on daddy being any shade of beige.
It’s weird, the fans of the first Descendants say the sequel is a downgrade, but everyone who hated the first agree it’s slightly better. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I anticipate the day the next pandering and grating DCOM series will come along so everyone will forget about Descendants’ existence.
Also, I assume that end tag will mean the return of a certain angel of music? =)
There is that dcom zombie musical where the zombies are just people with green hair and their faces painted white
@@lehahiah81 So Everyone is a Jared Leto Joker? And why was that movie released in May-pril?
@Brandon Roberts Descendants 2 is *slightly* better than the first but my younger brother and I thought that it was crappy too.
Hopefully the 3rd movie will the last...
The Phantom's going to be pissed...
I think the thing that annoys me most about the lanies (I'm positive I misspelled that but idc) fencing thing is that neither of them are wearing protective padding and Jay's not even wearing his helmet! I mean, they are asking to get hurt.
Kitten lonnie*
I wouldn't say that Harry is supposed to be a gay character because of how there is a lot of OBVIOUS sexual tension between him and Uma. I feel more like the problem with Harry is that they are clearly basing the character more off of the version of Hook from Once Upon a Time, guyliner and all. Once Upon a Time is a GREAT show (Aside from season 7 and that Frozen story arc) but Hook was always one of the weakest elements of the show. His hamminess comes more from how the actor is acting more like a stereotype of the Once Upon a Time Hook, who was already a lame character that had nothing going for him other than his good looks, sex appeal, and brooding bad boy attitude that women seem to like. So really, I can't say he's supposed to be what you described him as when there was CLEARLY sexual tension between him and Uma, to the point where he scowled at him when Uma told him to leave her and Ben alone.
I will say that I actually do really like the songs Ways to be Wicked (Despite being a cop out with it just being a fantasy the whole time) and What's My Name (Since it does play a vital part in establishing Uma as a character and how she feels, plus China has a great voice). I feel like Uma/China Anne McClain in general are the saving grace of this movie. The film is still crap but it's definitely much better than the original.
Also, is there a reason for the scheduling change, aside from just setting up that angel character coming back in the next episode?
I always read him as gay personally (probably because I'm hella gay for him-) but I thought he had more sexual tension with Mal than Uma because Dove and Harry's actor were dating at the time
I can’t believe they turned one of the most badass villains of children’s literature and into a cover model of a romance book. While they made Peter Pan a wolf in sheeps clothing (metaphorically) who was a middle aged man who glamorized himself as teenage boy so he can stay forever young because he was a terrible father.
I always tought he was to supossed to be bi
Also season 7 was great wtf ?
No my gaydar was of the charts and a deleted scene had him kissing a man in a dance scene
Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you all to bisexuality :3 Personally, I see Harry Hook as definitely having a huge crush on Uma, but also being attracted to both guys (that scene where he got all up close and personal with Ben, the other scene where he apparently kissed a boy) and girls (legit every scene he has with Uma, and some scenes with Mal). So yeah, Harry Hook is bi, imho
In the climactic fight, Ben had the option to tell Mal and Uma something like; "Ladies, stop. I'm much more embarrassed than I am aroused."
THERE’S SO MANY WAYS, IN SO MANY DAYS, THERE’S SO MANY WAYS TO EAT CHICKEN
CHILLIN LIKE A KITCHEN
“That raccoon from Pocahontas”
Is it bad that I just call him “on-brand Wabuu?”
Extremely underrated comment.
Hey, at least Carlos didn’t try and magically roofie the person he was wooing who’s name I forgot. When I heard “he went to Mal for help” I was assuming he’d want a love potion or some bs, but hey! Props to Disney for not having someone commit what would be a violent felony!
Speaking of Kenny Ortega, I hope the next review is that one Rocky Horror Picture Show tv special that everyone forgot.
Too bad Kenny Ortegas other MASTERPIECE Hocus Pocus barely has any songs in it, I unironically love that movie to bits and I love it when people tear it apart
Kenny Ortega is our lord and savior, but GOD... that special... *shudders*
I hope that's the next one!!! Oh, I hope, I hope, I hope...how will we ever wait for Oct 15 to find out?!
I've heard some say that few of his older (pre-HSM) outputs were a lot better.
Oh, that would be perfect for Halloween. I am hoping that Jem and the Holograms would appear on the docket. Diva did make a crossover appearance over another channel doing a retrospective of the the Jem cartoon.
I’m already excited for your Descendants 3 review
Wait there's a 3rd one?! I got bored of TV cable and dont babysit anymore so I figured no news meant no sequel O_O
I just realised a giant missed opportunity! Ben is the son of the Beast (god, these names), right? Why not turn him into a beast so he can fit better in the Isle of the Lost?
Yes, that would have been a FAR more interesting concept than what we got instead!Plus, he could have turned into a beast during the climax, to stop Mal and Uma.
Even Wolf Among US had Beast turn into a beast
I just don't understand these movies. They are so full of contradictions that the characters we are supposed to be rooting for come off as really unsympathetic. I love that you brought up how the king just forgot to keep his promise and yet we are supposed to root for him and not the other descendants that he just abandoned? What kind of fucked up message does that send to the kids watching this?
On a semi-releated note to Disney abiding by the "if it's making money, don't fix it" philosophy, the word got out recently that the live-action Aladdin remake has hit a production snag; regardless of the quality of the final product, what irritates me is that they said that since Beauty and the Beast 2017 made over a billion dollars, they're aiming to outgross that. Doesn't exactly surprise me, but it does depress me significiantly. It's essentially the same scenario as the Once-Ler and the Lorax-trying to grab up more power until there's none left.
To use a similar context from one of Diva's lines from the 'Hunchback 2' review:
I can understand the desire to want to expand/do different interpreatations on the established properties, and I certainly understand the need for Disney to make money to keep their business afloat. But the abundance of money is something that should come from the result of the products organically, not their be-all-end-all (Christopher Robin was a pretty good live-action entry). If you keep at a trend with easy profit being your primary concern, it will eventually, inevitably become obvious to audiences.
Jacob Below it’s so sad that is has become like this. I like to idea of things going a different way to show a different point of view on things, if that makes sense. But some things now just seem to be made just because they can.
I'd really like for Disney to do a live-action version of The Wind In The Willows--in this case, it wouldn't be so much a remake as much as it would be the full-length version we didn't get before. You see, back in the day, they were planning a full-length animated adaptation of Willows, but the war, an animators' strike, and other factors kept getting in the way--and by the time they got around to it, their animation division was struggling and they were doing a lot of package features. So Willows was cut down to focus mainly on Toad's madcap adventures and released as part of the package feature "Ichabod and Mr. Toad." It's a shame they didn't wait a few more years and make it in the fifties--it could have been a classic-Brit-kiddie-lit adaptation trifecta along with Alice and Peter Pan. A new live-action version could feature Toad and his shenanigans, but also the quieter, more atmospheric moments, and a more book-faithful Rat and Badger. It could be the definitive film version of Grahame's novel. (Imagine how lovely the "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" sequence could be if done right by Disney live-action.)
Jennifer Schillig Sure. I could conceive of that. That wouldn't be a bad idea, so long as the people behind it have the right kind of drive.
This is what really pisses me off that Disney is remaking their animated movies into live action, and now I am starting to hate Disney more. They are predicable, unnecessary, and unoriginal. I hope they all bomb at the box office when they come out.
I just realized that the Isle of the Lost is basically Australia.
Australia as a colony was originally created as a place to send criminals who the government back in Britain didn't want to deal with.
Is it just me or does Mal and Evie’s duet sound a little sapphic? I’m not complaining, I’m just saying.
I have to admit, I'm kinda interested in Descendants 3 just because they're finally going into the "Who is Mal's dad" question.
We don't know the other parents of HALF these kids, why is Mal's parentage so special?
I'm just surprised they're answering ANY of the kid's parentage.
Someone on DeviantArt had an idea for a Mamma Mia-esque fanfiction like that...
I just hope they answer this better than OUAT, where they just did it with one line in the series finale, and it turned out to be ZORRO.
You could feel they didn't give a F anymore.
@@DrGregoryHouseIT They clearly ran out of ideas and was just winging it at that point.
I see this Once-Upon-A-Time-For-Tweens franchise is following the same downward direction as its bigger sister.
*Hears Ben's reason for dropping the 'Exchange Program'* Yep, definitely OUATitis.
Great review!
Also can she do the musical episode of Once Upon a Time?
Speaking of OUAT, didn't they have an idea about Ursula being a DEITY? That's real wasted potential.
ajmrowland So she’s Cthulhu?
In the fairytale world, yes. But she's undoubtedly real there.
Or I call Once Upon aTime a water download version of Fables, removing the grit and realism with a Disney fanfic dress porn.
17:00 That actually would've been a much better ending - Ben turns into a Beast-like creature and furiously fights to keep Uma and Mal apart, but then realises "Wait, this is wrong - we can't fix our problems with violence" and turns human again to get them to calm down and listen to him (since neither of them actually want to hurt him). Hands up everyone who reckons this WOULD have been the ending if the movie had a half-decent budget?
Ok so we’re not gonna talk about how “the space between” is the most non-lesbian lesbian romance anthem ever? Or the literal travesty that is Carlos’ gross flat ironed hair 🤢 it’s so goddamn weird and badly
2018 Sin Count so far:
Rock-A-Doodle: 8 sins
Love's Labours Lost: 8 sins
The Hunchback of Notre Dame II: 7 sins
The Return of Captain Invincible: 7 sins
Cannon Movie Tales: Sleeping Beauty: 8 sins
The Secret of NIMH 2: 8 sins
The Lorax: 7 sins
Sextette: 9 sins
Descendants 2: 8 sins
This year, Diva has given 70 sins so far
Uma at least gets better cuz she's on Black Lightning now.
Does that give her the excuse to cosplay as Jack Sparrow? Why is she a pirate?
And just think, Descendants 3 is coming out next year....woo
Dont pretend youre not excited. how often do we get notified of a train wreck ahead of schedule?
Hopefully it's not a theatrical release...
@@TommyDeonauthsArchives The previous 2 movies weren't released in theaters. Why would Descendants 3 just suddenly be released in theaters? The franchise isn't as popular as High School Musical was.
Tommy Deonauth's Archives It isn’t. They say it will be on TV next year.
@@JoshFreilich I was joking you know...
Bad CGI octopus and dragon about to battle?
What is this a scyfy original movie ?
no sharks so not a syfy film
I didn't count here, but in TLM, Ursula's actually a squid.
@@sackboy5055 they've had other weird monsters fighting each other I believe there has been one about a dinosaur fighting a giant octopus before.
Now its all sharks
@@KeybladeMasterAndy how though her tentacles are thicker than what a squid's would be also early designs were based off a blue ring octopus
Accidental Alicorn There aren't any sharks,dinosaurs,or giant spiders or crocodiles,not accurate enough.
12:36 I don't know why, but for some reason I can hear a voice chanting "Make out!" during this scene...
Yes, "Descendents 2" is "Goin' Down"! The first movie was "Rotten To the Core", but this one shows that it has many more" Ways to be Wicked". "If Only" Disney would stop making such cheesy movies, so us "Poor Unfortunate Souls" wouldn't have to suffer through it. By the way, "Did I Mention" how much I love your videos?😍😊
@Brandon Roberts Speaking of Disney Heroes, they added Aladdin to Disney Heroes Battle Mode.
GO SIT IN THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID.
Also, *slow clap*
But Descendants sounds so good on paper. Though the Evil Queen and Maleficent probably can't really exist in the same universe.
What made there movies worked is that there stories were set in different time periods, countries and art styles.
It's kindof ironic that Melody isn't in any of these movies, since she's the only child of a Disney Princess to be canon so far
In this world none of the Disney sequels are canon.
Gaby Droz Maybe Ariel just dissolved into seafoam like in the original story.
Gaby Droz Let’s be honest that’s probably a good thing because The Lion King 2 and Cinderella 3 are the only halfway decent ones.
12:33 Sounds more like an unintentional love song than a friendship song tbh.
Honestly, I like that Ben just up and forgot his whole "repatriate the next generation and end the slum rule" thing. There's a more interesting movie buried in there, something about actually exploring socioeconomic inequality in a way kids can understand/get behind, the way Zootopia did with racial stereotyping and prejudice. Ben isn't a bad person, but he's so far detached from the needs of the people on the Isle of the Lost that even his best attempt to help comes off as weak and condescending. I think the movie is trying to play that card, but isn't quite savvy or focused enough to make it work.
Can we just talk about the fact that mell never learns a lesson that's related to her journey? During the first two movies her journey is choosing between two different worlds, now that sounds interesting, but in the end of both of them the lesson she learns is "i shouldn't be evil i should hang out with my friends", even tho the concept of mell having some sort of "abusive past" because of the island is interesting, the island can easily be a metaphor for abuse and manipulation, and her being torn between two worlds kind of implies that, but in the end they completely forget about the journey they've built up and teach a completely different lesson.
THAT'S NOT HOW CHARACTER ARCS WORK!
Do you know that Gil and Harry actually were supposed to kiss?
It got cut. Yeah...
That was not an official part of the script. The actors jokingly improvised that.
I mean unlike Ryan Evans it was a joke. (Ryan was actually supposed to be gay and I Don't Dance was supposed to be even gayer than it is).
Some Crazed Nerd Kenny Ortega and Lucas Grabeel were in favour of having Ryan kids another boy, basketball player Zeke, in HSM3. But Disney forbode it and wrote a shoehorned straight romance with Kelsi.
The only part they managed to save was the bloopers.
You should review Z-O-M-B-I-E-S. It's one of the worst 'musicals' I've ever seen. Worse than Descendants (believe it or not).
I think I would rather drag my balls through broken glass then watch these films
@Chatnoir 77888 it didn't get as much popularity because Descendants was smart and got actors that were already kinda well-known. I didn't know about Zombies until long after it came out.
@Chatnoir 77888 I never said the writing was smart...just that they did a better job of casting.
Go easy on Dizzy’s actress, I’m pretty sure she got the part because she won a contest
Is it bad to say that I kind of enjoy “Ways to be Wicked” and “What’s My Name” as songs on their own? The movie itself is bad, no doubt about that, but those were the first songs that I’ve ever heard from this series, and I can’t help but like them in spite of their corniness. Am I missing something?
No, not at all. Those were the only songs from sequel I like, but I agree that they're better out of context to the story.
Those songs aren't very good but they are way better than the songs featured in the previous movie.
@Angelisa Hassan I didn't say that they were bad though.
No. It's not bad at all. Honestly, I kinda feel like a lot of the music in the films is decent. Not great but not the worst thing ever. The problem really is the context surrounding them. Especially "My love is Ridiculous" from the first film.
I'd be interested to see the version where Mulan's daughter (who should have an actual Chinese name) is the captain of the fencing team /and/ super feminine. She has to deal with people being baffled by the concept that she could like both fencing and baking cookies.
Also, "there can only be ONE girl on the team, and only if she's better than all the guys" is just the epitome of terrible pseudo-feminist messages. What a fucking awful take.
You have to admit, Uma's song "What's my name?" Was the best song of the movie.
Is it truly so hard to know how real kids talk? Just have the writers, like, go to a high school marching band or lunch room or science club or something. I think writers should also understand that, hey, people have different accents and cadences and lexicons that can all contribute to personality and character development.
Have you ever watched Freaks and Geeks? It might be the only teen show I've ever seen where the kids talk (and act) like real high school kids.
No
@@polyhymnia701 freaks and geeks is trash
I understand why Disney would stay away from the LGBTQA Spectrum, the last time they tried it didn't end well.
They tried it for a relatively minor character and announced it weeks before release, for a remake that made a billion anyway.
The real mistake was announcing that they had a gay character because they were never going to do anything substantially different with him. That resulted in a lot of media hooplah and nothing else.
They did ok with the Andy Mack character
And now Jack Whitehall's character is gonna be gay in the Jungle Cruise movie. Yay. Its gonna suck (even if they mention SEA and Trader Sam. Its my favourite Disney ride.)
@@KeybladeMasterAndy Because China, that's why.
Disney wants to have its cake and eat it , so they make one minor background or side character gay so they can get those points but do it in a way so that homophobic countries and theatres can edit or dub over the scene or character an erase it so they can get money from everyone. What annoys me is that they want to get social points for that kind of representation when it’s bare minimum at best and not worthy of praise. Personally, I believe that unless the representation results in being banned or embarrassingly censored in homophobic countries, it doesn’t count
Despite my introduction to China being Ant Farm when I was like 10 I still forget that disney owns her soul (but hey at least she got the best cotillion dress)
No, no, no, no! I'm not ready for another "Descendants" movie! I don't WANT another "Descendants" movie!
Also...does everyone in this movie have a kid?! And where in the world is Melody?!
In the weird, wide world of Sequelitis.
The #6 Runaway Guys Fan Better Sequelitis than Auradon.
Melody and her parents actually realized how terrible auradon would be and left while they still could
hopefully
Yeah, Melody is one of the very few canonical descendants that actually exists.
She graduated?
This franchise needs a buddy comedy about the daughters of Jack Sparrow and Palpatine
Now THAT would be awesome!
I'd watch it.
I want the Maury episode of who is uma's father, hook or Jack sparrow?!
Paladin Demo lmaoo
Hooks obvious, but Jack is insane enough.
ursula
@@mitsubishiasx2.0gsr3 already know the mom.
Davy Jones.
man imagine if everyone did the "i'm this person's son" thing
"i am yolanda, jessica's daughter"
"aight and who is jessica"
"the teacher right in front of us"
To be fair, this is how all of those names that end in -son happened.
Also, doesn’t magic not work on the Isle of the Lost anyway? So even if Mal brought the real wand, it would’ve done nothing either.
The costumes and sets make this look like a series instead of a movie.
I actually hated the Carlos subplot more. I had a generic expectation of him ending up with Jane and Jay ending up with Lonnie for the first movie and when it didn't happen; I was relieved. Because I am so sick of the 'type match-ups' in movie romances. And then this movies comes along and now we have 'brainy girl/brainy guy', 'jock girl/jock guy', and 'shy nerd girl/shy nerd guy'. It's incredibly annoying. It also feels like they railroaded Lonnie's entire character so that her 'type' could match with Jay.
Man, remember when Mattel did the "children of fairy tale characters" concept correctly?
Yeah....but they ended it...
What infuriates me about the songs in this series is they insist on being lame techno pop numbers, even though the titles, studio, and director (the guy made Newsies which was made into a very popular musical) scream Broadway.
I always hated this movie since Mal didnt want to be evil and turned her mom into a lizard to prove it. NOW SHE WANTS TO BE EVIL? pick a side women. She's also selfish, bullying uma and tbh uma is the only reasonable person. Mal got mad at her "boyfriend "bc he said he should consider the well being OF HER OWN FRICKING ISLAND!
Can we talk too about how the continuity sucks in the boat party part? one second everyone is wet, then everyone is dry, then wet again and then dry...Not even water makes sense in this movie...
Also I am glad they are not bringing back Lonnie's character for the third movie. It pains me to see how bad her subplot it was in this installment (not that I am surprised but still). I mean, if they wanted to make a parallel between her and her mother, they should have done something more creative than playing the "she is a girl so she can't play sports" card.
How do you know they're not bringing back Lonnie's character?
@@davekendall5936 the actress has new projects. Including a TV show I read somewhere. I checked and for the third movie she is not in the cast
@@MoonShadow333 Okay.
I still don't understand how people above the age of an average high school musical fan can find anything of much value in these movies
Even though Thomas Doherty (Harry) was overacting, I thought it was pretty good. It was hammy, but you could tell the actor was having fun, and he was the only one to me who seemed to be having fun playing up his role.
Did none of these Disney female protagonists never think to wear protection so they could prevent this spinoff from happening?
Speaking of punishments, since there were no punishments for the original movie, I have a few suggestions. For the creation of a monstrous set of songs, including a rap-version of "Be Our Guest", the songwriting staff is condemned to live with a group of yodelers and tap dancers. For casting actors who are not suited for the Disney villains, the casting crew is condemned to wearing outfits that are two sizes too small. Finally, for writing a plot better suited for a television series than a movie, the writers are condemned to always being late for their family celebrations.
Are we going to ignore the fact that Mal turned into her stained glass self like barbie in every barbie movie ever?
It would be funny if the kids of the lion king characters just randomly showed up except they're all human for some reason. :D
At least we'd know what actually HAPPENED to them.
"Son of Hook... Son of Gaston // Son of a bitch, are you still talking about each other like that!?"
Thank you, Diva, you have no idea how badly I needed that laugh.
Actually, I don't have a problem with Lony- or whatever her name is. Besides people saying that she is at the very least tomboy (and other nonsensical things about her and other characters from the movie) I always found Mulan to be both strong and feminine, you can be both at the same time (shocking right? besides you already have one tomboy princess in the lineup, her name is Merida, and I'm sorry but she sucks) so she more less took after her mother. Also, as I always imagined Mulan had to put up with a lot of crap growing up for not exactly fitting into her cultural norms, despite trying her hardest to make her family proud, something she likely would want to protect her daughter from, so I don't see her as a judgmental type, Shang could be judgmental, but Mulan pretty much shuttered this trait of his at the end of the movie, so I don't think that they would have a problem if their daughter turn out to be hyper-feminine not wanting to have anything to do with sports/military and would encourage her in whatever she chooses to do- as a good parents should. To me, it's only slightly interesting subplot in this mess.
I agree! I never saw Mulan as a "Tomboy" or "Girly" just and strong and feminine character,( Mulan 2 anyone?) And Lonnie would probably be similar.
Couple random thoughts:
The only good thing I can take out of this is using the finale as references for this series of drawings I'm doing (like the deck of a ship flooded with water, waves lapping against a human strugging to stay alfoat, etc).
I think Gil's outfit should've been executed better. Nothing about his clothes really indicated Gaston (especially being in dusty brown hues) and I got more of a Broadway Scar vibe (his makeup on the ship battle didn't help). And Harry's past expiration ham & cheese acting felt like he was channeling Jack Sparrow than James Hook.
Totally pathetic that they brought Whoopi Goldberg into this and only gave her 2 lines... offscreen... & we only see her in the form of a bad CGI tentacle. Hopefully Harvey Fierstein will make up for that with Rob Marshall's TLM remake.
Those repetitive moments with Cinderella's son got tiring fast, especially with the karma houdini jerkass tendencies.
Whoopi goldberg was Ursula? Diva didn't address that. I was confused about Gil being Gaston's son because he doesn't really look or act like him. I thought, "Why is Gaston's son a blonde twit?" and then I realize he's probably the product of Gaston and the one of the Bimbettes, and likely raised only by his mother since Gaston fell off the castle.