More employers moving to relax educational requirements
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- Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro eliminated the college degree requirement for 92% of jobs in state government, opening up about 65,000 jobs to non-college graduates. This is a growing trend in today’s labor market, where one in five employers are relaxing educational requirements to attract workers who have historically been shut out. NBC News’ Dasha Burns speaks with Governor Shapiro about the growing trend and the workers now benefitting from it.
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Translation: people with degrees are no longer willing to work for poverty wages so we had to remove that requirement 😂
💯This is the most overlooked argument in the whole college/non-college workers. These businesses and government/education/military jobs want the benefits of college education without paying for it. It's no wonder this country started on slavery, capitalism is all about making as much money as possible without paying the workers who help you generate it their fair share.
@@applejuicejunkie316 That does not apply to developers, plumbers, wielders and people with hard skillsets.
Well I think that's a good thing then, because people won't have to go to college anymore and it will save them a ton of money
@@applejuicejunkie316 if this is an argument for socialism, its not convincing. Socialism is a failure.
The whole point of getting a degree is avoiding said wages, otherwise higher education makes little financial sense.
Don’t be fooled. These employers are having an extremely difficult time finding ppl with degrees willing to work for $15 an hour.
Yeah I didn't go to school for 22 years to make that little money. But unfortunately thats the crap we have to deal with. PS But sometimes that's the job we gotta take. And you just gotta work through. Humbling yourself helps you deal with shame of being underemployed. Good luck y'all.
@@gayealisir5661 Wooohooo the exploitation of capitalism on our society is sure encouraging ‘growth’, innovation and competitiveness. This trend particularly amongst conservatives that are misled to feel virtuous their devotion to ‘hard work’ for a system that is all about exploiting, using and taxing our society which encourages an exponentially greater asymmetrical division of wealth.
Which is now has more degenerative teeth with the trend amongst a majority GOP voter demographic to devaluate and demonize higher education or education all together.
Ugh
Yup! That’s exactly it! They’re not becoming more lax because they want to.
Also less people are getting degrees college admissions are down by millions.
Right now the jobs that "require" degree pay the same as warehouse work. The difference is, the degree-holder has added debt to payoff so they're doing worse than the ex-felon stacking boxes.
We want young people in their 20s with 30 years of experience.
Lies again? Ridiculous Modules
If you actually have 30 years of experience you're overqualified.
I have 30 years of being alive experience so far I’m doing ok
Excellent way to put it!
I have 100 years of experience I’m set for life !
The same problem still remains: employers don't want to train you, they want someone else to do that.
Yup. Sometimes if they are nice, they give you a mentor or have a co-worker do the heavy lifting in regards to the basics. I was so shocked by this, especially since working in the administrative side in healthcare.
Precisely
BINGO!! 👍👍
However, it isn't due to cost and time. It is because of politics as well as the lazy "chads" and "Stacys" in the positions got to keep their their friends and booty calls close at the top.
Yup....
Employers could design the training program or list what info is needed to kno for that job, then potential employees could pay someone to train them to do that job
More people would probably go to college if it wasn't so expensive or require you to take a ton of classes that have nothing to do with your major.
Exactly!
That's how the schools milk you.
That’s why most colleges accept clep exams to reduce your course load.
@@missdesireindependance5194 do you know a good website to find those clep tests?
Exactly. It's literally pointless. Why do i need to learn about American History 1 when I am trying to be a business major? I need to be in literature, business and mathematics for that. I couldn't care less about American History 1 or something like even basic Biology.
At Most jobs you need to learn the job from experience. I believe you can take a person with reasonable intelligence and teach them most jobs without a college degree
That may be but there’s no denying that many jobs are the complete opposite which require such intense focus on prerequisite knowledge, skills and familiarity to be capable of ‘doing’.
@@audimaster5000Then the company can pay for that education. Why do I have to broke and hope I'll get a job. Heck, I might find out two years in I'm not good for I went for. Now what? Already spend to much to turn back.
Absolutely true. Degree requirements are a crab in the bucket mentality as well as a way to demonstrate propensity for servitude.
@@wageslave387 The point of a employee is to add value to a business. A college degree is a personal pet project, has nothing to do with a company's bottom line. You are hired to run a business and help make a company profit. Thats like asking a company to pay you more because you played sports in high school or because you are a black belt. Unless that degree adds value to the business, it's silly to use it as a bargaining chip. Works in the public sector because the money is endless, does not work in the real world/private sector. The endless college=more pay conversion was a scam only benefiting the greedy colleges.
@@wageslave387 So if you ever need surgery I guess you'll ask around for the doctor who didn't go to medical school.
This is how the US was suppose to be. College shouldn’t be a requirement for most careers but rather helpful on the resume. Unless it’s a specialized field like a doctor or nurse shouldn’t be forced on people.
Even a nursing school LPN is 1yr 6 months of training.
Spoken like someone too lazy to go to college.
Right, for jobs that specifically never needed degrees. Why does a secretary need a 4 year degree? Some classes in Microsoft office and decent writing skills will do. Or to be a GM for any restaurant
Nurses only recently needed a degree. There are still nurses today in the field that got the job without getting a college degree.
@@ll2323 Up until the 1920s, many novice schoolteachers were between 16 and 18 years old. You could join an apprenticeship after you finished 9th or 10th grade and be all set with a teaching job once you completed your student teaching.
I graduated school last May with my Bachelors and had difficulty with the job search. Unless you’re planning on being a doctor or lawyer it’s incredibly hard trying to find a job cause “entry” level jobs want you to automatically have 5-7 years of experience right out of the gate, it def wasn’t easy
Yeah, that requirement is all over the place. I just don't get it.
let me guess; CompSci?
@@jibril2473 no Comm
@@chanela.7786 well, what is it? Because usually it’s either engineering or CompSci that requires 5-7 years for entry lvl positions.
@@jibril2473 lol I meant Communications I’m not a STEM major but I heard it’s been hard in that field too
I have seen some employers take out the requirements and use it as an excuse to lower the salary. Be careful about this!
Good point
Exactly!!!
This basically proves the fact that education is a business now rather than what it used to be or is supposed to be i.e providing knowledge and skills to pupils. That's one of the reasons why companies are relaxing the rules because having a degree doesn't necessarily imply that the degree holder is competent ( except for medicine and a few others). It would make more sense to have educational reforms, but obviously we don't live in an ideal world and since there's money to be made that's never going to happen.
No what it proves is that jobs will do anything for cheap labor.
The neoliberal model, and the focus on research really destroyed career preparation. Faculty tenure didn't help either. It's been my experience that tenure made faculty lazy and mean so the learning experience becoming antiquated because tenured faculty don't want to work and stay relevant.
Finally! Not everyone can afford it, and not everyone qualifies for a scholarship. This will help so many people.
No excuse my brother is first from immigrant parents
@@AngelValdovinosthat's awesome. congratulations
@@AngelValdovinos noone cares/asked
Exactly.
@@AngelValdovinos Oh hush...🤣🤣🤣
Well when you have a Master's degree and they want to only pay you $20 an hour in this garbage country....
Yep…
In garbage companies. The country has millions willing to die for a chance to come.
what major is your masters degree?
@@omara3389 Lowest near me in Atlanta suburbs is $50k for Financial Analyst. 24 an hour is pretty bad for that but I'm sure with a Masters you at least get to 60k.
I think office jobs shouldn’t need a degree, but training. I think it depends which sector you’re working in
If you’re well-read and have good writing skills, you can excel in an office job. I achieved this level by middle school.
I’ll Take An Educated Secretary Over An Uneducated One-Any Day.
If I had a choice to hire a highschool graduate Bitcoin trader vs a 4 year gender studies sjw to print papers I'll take the college kid anyday
Is this why someone with a master's degree & 20 years experience is expected to now work for 55k a year?
I'm a masters with 8 years and make 40k
@@Doors067 rather be homeless
@@Doors067 lol
I once saw a job posting for a librarian. The requirement was a bachelor's degree and pay was $16/hour
This is why I dropped out of college. There is no guarantee of financial success, but you can be sure that you will have $40,000 in college debt.
You And Kanye. College Graduates Outsmarted Him.
yes, the notion that degrees are not the most important aspect of landing a good career is true to an _extent_ , but remember that there careers, mostly in the sciences such as in the medical field or tough engineering industries that you would do better in _with_ a degree. I dont think becoming any sort of doctor is possible at _all_ without landing a medical school degree. same with certain types of engineering like aerospace, industrial, chemical, architectural, computer.
Yes, I agree it really depends on the job, career, and industry when it comes to education background. I myself worked through college and graduate school for both my bachelor and master’s in Engineering and Engineering Management. There was no way that I’ve could have worked as an Engineer without my degrees.
This is talking more about jobs that's require a degree even if it has nothing to do with the job. For example, getting hired as a manager at Amazon for having a bachelor degree in culinary art.
I agree with you. Most people look for a "get rich quick" job and don't major in a Stem field because they don't want to put in the work.
I agree. Get an art degree for fun, not a career.
@@VainRose5 not everyone find STEM work interesting and may have an interest in the humanities instead. Also, not everyone has the brain for STEM. That’s for a very specific type of brain.
Yet when a company posts a job, I can assure you they will post "preference of a bachelor degree".
So true. I have worked in and applied to many Technology jobs as I have certifications and a A.A. degree, but not the bachelors degree and got hired, but they always mention the preference of a degree desired.
And give you a salary of 30k a year
I was conflicted but ultimately decided not to go to college after hearing this story from the woman mixing my paint at Sherwin Williams, lol.
She told me she had twins and straight out of high school, one went to college the other straight into the job market at an entry position. Her college kid took out loans for years, graduated and applied for jobs several other new grads were also vying for, moved back home, was broke, took a year to find a job and made next to nothing. While the marketplace twin stayed with her job, worked her way up the ladder, had no debt and was even able to save and bought a small home.
I know it doesn’t work that way for everyone, but it was enough to convince me.
(And to this day I’m thankful!)
I went to college at age 14. Never took a loan, never got a degree, dropped out at 31. I worked the whole time and I bought a house with the money I managed to save up before I was 31 years old. Ha! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@@aick Good job(??) 🥴 Though, if you were in college at 14, it sounds like you may be from a different era (and economy!). Your story reminds me though of yet another reason I ultimately chose not to go: no one I knew actually worked in their major.
Some didn’t graduate _at all._
The idea of all the time -wasted- spent seemed exhausting.
Works for some, but college is not for everyone. I don’t smoke, but congrats to you 👍🏻😁
The one daughter was hot the other one was fat
@@In_time lol, he's probably a boomer. I'm 25 and make the same as my co-workers, who are around my age and a little older. Difference is, I don't have a degree and debt under my belt. Mega oof
@angelo guiri I mean, if it _made you_ like Picasso, it may not be a waste. 😊
Just depends what you want from the experience vs what it cost to gain that experience. Overall though, in today’s world, I just don’t think folks are getting what they’re paying for and for what it cost to recover from going to school: whether going for art or to be a surgeon.
These employers have finally hit the wall of the real world
Improve our public schools and this will work out fine. I slaved through putting myself through college and NOTHING I learned in college was helpful on ANY job I’ve held. All college did was hamstring me financially.
Improving the public schools starts with improving discipline and emphasis on education in the home. Elderly people with a high school education have excellent writing skills and beautiful penmanship. Standards have fallen.
You learn more with hands on experience than all the education there is to offer. I found this out quickly when I did an internship when I was in school. It's sad but true, the college degree dream job flight plan is loosing wind.
Believe Me You,
You Are Definitely More Polished Educated And a everybody Sees It.
@@AndriaaLeoLove but degree does not always equal educated
"Send us your poor huddled masses" but not your "tired" we need them to work 12 hour shifts. Education not necessary, we prefer them not smart enough to know that is illegal.
You sound bitter.
quite extreme. This is a societal issue. Majority of people are overworked here but in different ways. Americans always operate on what is legal instead of what is ethical. That is the root of our problem.
I have a college degree. I recently graduated with a BS in mathematics in December. It feels good to have accomplished something that many people haven't.
No one cares and when you die that paper will mean absolutely nothing.
Why mathematics? You could've done computer science or engineering and make a lot more money up front
@@sp123 maybe he likes math? You do know their is still math around what computers do. Also I am a computer science major.
Not that those companies are having an issue finding people, it's that they refuse to pay what the person is worth. If they are unwilling to raise their rates then they will not gain employees and those who are there will soon move instantly when a company does offer more money, anything under 20 is insulting. And 20 isn't even a high wage these days.
20 dollars an hour you can make more than that as a server at a decent restaurant. If you are going to be going for a Bachelor's degree you need to be making sure that the field you are going into has minimum $30 an hour wages. $240 a day, $1200 a week, $4800 a month.
Anything less than that and you should rethink your major or just drop out altogether.
Good for people who just don't have the opportunity to go to college, but what about the people that do go to college and get their degree? Some people with college degrees still have trouble getting a job.
I feel bad for my cousin. For one semester it’s 60k for his school all for a degree that won’t make more than the tuition itself.
The biggest problem I have with this is that high school does not teach critical thinking skills. In high school, I was scolded in front of the class for asking questions, or challenging the teachers narrative of subjects that have more than one narrative or viewpoint. College is the exact opposite. I did not learn about modes of persuasion, or the different types of fallacies in high school. Those are college subjects, and without those skills, you are easy to manipulate in the work place, and in some jobs, especially science based jobs, you won't find the best solution without those skills. You need to learn how to think outside of the box, make college affordable and send everyone, because education is the foundation to a functioning democracy. Lowering the standards only does this country a disservice. Decmocracy requires an educated population making educated decisions, the lack of education makes you easy to manipulate, which is how we got Trump.
I think Trump was elected because many Americans are tied of forked-tongue politicians, but I agree with the rest of your argument
The smartest man I've ever meet in my life was a electrician who grew up in a foster home in Albany, Georgia.Doing startup on old papermills is challenging too say the least. This guy would stump seasoned electrical engineers for Georgia pacific on a daily basis. His education education level was I believe like 9th grade. His iq was definitely high regardless of his background
Thats all true, but some jobs really dont require more than high school education. The requirement that secretaries have a 4 year degree is part of the reason that a 4 year degree doesnt mean as much as it used to
@@jeffschneider2356 That's great, but he is an outlier for sure.
I can soundly say your comment is not widely proven... sorry you wasted the money. College drop out here... and I manage an entire healthcare facility maintenance dept. at barely 30
If I could do it again I’d go for a vocational school, college is so 1900s and student loans ruin college after. I’ve recommended so many kids to not go to college anymore unless is STEM and rather go for an specific vocational school… All of them are thanking me so far.
What a lot of these companies need to do is offer a bit of free entry level training, so that candidates are more up-to-date than they would be if they went to college. Most of the information you learn in college (depending on what you studied) is out of date by the time you graduate and a lot of college criculums are padded with meaningless classes just to pack on more debt, things like that need to stop, so the cost of college can go down. We should also think about the people who have some college but no degree, mainly because they couldn't afford to continue or were discriminated against.
Go abroad for college, that's what I did. I moved to Lithuania to do my masters, paid around $3,000 total, best decision of my life.
An employer would probably not value a degree from a foreign institution unless it were Oxford
@@stevedavenport1202 I haven't found that to be true
@@stevedavenport1202 yea. I went to college with a lady who said she completed her master's elsewhere, I think Iran. She came to the US and had to redo classes
@@07ikkin you cannot compare something made in Europe (who has the same of even above level of the US one) and something made one in Iran LOL
Good for you! US citizens and others study in Europe cause it's cheaper for the same level or even better quality.
Could that be because college degrees are unaffordable
I'm sure that plays a part.
As a non-traditional college student going back to school in my 30s this is amazing. ❤️
I'm also 30, married, no kids. Did you manage to get financial aid? I'm thinking of going back but Idk if it's in my cards yet
@@mschivas9356 I was not able to get financial aid since I am also married, and my husband makes “too much”. I’ve been back in school since last August and it was one of the best decisions I’ve made.
@@marshamarshamarsha378 thank you for your reply. I wish you the best
Long story but I only got a GED now making 6 figures in a tech management position. I’m not in college debt but had to work twice as hard as others. I earned respect and opportunities in my company. Had to have a certain level of confidence but honestly dread sometimes having to talk about my education. Also, I climbed within my company but if I try to move and apply to another company, they don’t know me and may pass me up. For this reason alone, I am pro degree. So it’s possible to do good without a degree but there are some cons too.
Yeah, this is the thing that keeps me going for my education. The field I'm doing into is very lucrative but virtually everyone in it has a degree so it's immensely harder to be competitive without one.
Apply away, I'm in tech(6 figure like you) and no one even asks about my lack of degree until the background check comes up and they are verifying everything.
Six figures is such a dumb way to describe income. $100,000 to $999,999?
Until they see your experience?
Same I’m 6 figure income with no degree in banking. Just school of hard knocks and many years of experience, grit and determination. Truly no need for a degree in many fields including at the bank.
I work with a lot of people who only have a high school diploma. Majority are in managerial positions and senior roles (except for 4 people). And they all lack CRITICAL THINKING. It’s always them vs. everyone. It is so hard to get anything done since they get defensive and don’t want to give up work.
True. I didn't learn crap in high school. You can graduate without even knowing how to tie your shoe. I didn't get serious until later in college.
Thank You Kou, Someone Finally Said It. The “School Ain’t For Everyone” & “You Don’t Need A Degree” Rhetoric Is Further Dumbing Down America, In My Eyes.
Don’t want to give up work? What do you mean?
Relaxed education requirements; still need 10+ years of experience
Literally the dumbest thing
Sweet, now all that’s left of is getting rid of pushing college onto kids from elementary to high school & bring back shop classes that actually offer kids options
Sweet.....while we're at it let's get rid of schools all together.
@@USNEM no.
Let's go back to the jungle and live in caves or possibly do a witch trial study, maybe even throw in some mandatory religious service.
As a child of immigrants, not going to college would me stacking boxes in a warehouse for the rest of my life. So no.
I support this. College degrees don't really prepare you all that well for work anyway. Experience is way better. And i have a degree.
College degrees don't do jack because all you are doing is sitting in a desk and taking notes and learning from those notes and filling in answers on a paper. There is nothing to it. If you can read well, have a moderate amount of discipline and show up to all of your classes you can get a degree. So long as you have tons of money to acquire a piece of paper. It's literally no different than high school. You just pay a ton more money for similar results.
I became a completely different person from my college experience. I learned how to communicate well in writing and orally. That would not have happened on the job.
@@MsLotusBlooms most kids who believe colleges didn't give them anything didn't learn those.
I joined the Army right after high school. There was no way I was going to be able to afford it on my own and I didn't want to be in debt for the rest of my life to get a piece of paper. What I found after the Army was that the overwhelming majority of people I worked with that had degrees thought they knew a lot more than they actually did. They also treated people who didn't have a degree as if they were less than. I knew from my time in the military that knowing your subject matter and working harder than everyone else was almost, if not as good as that degree that cost $150K. It's nice to see that at least some areas of the job market are relaxing their requirements.
Community college, and state universities are not $150k......but keep pushing the narrative.
@@USNEM State U's are that expensive depending on the state. And I don't think I ever mentioned community college so let me check. Yep, just as I thought, no mention of that.
@@jaushg7219How would anyone know unless you tell them? I make 6 figures with no degree. Everyone else around me has one and always asks me for help. If they lose respect for me if they find out I don’t have a degree, that says more about them than it does me.
I got my bachelors degree debt free. It wasn’t easy, and I had to take advantage of scholarships and government grants and pay out of pocket but that’s one of my biggest accomplishments in life. Most of the people I know with bachelors have between $10-$40 thousand in debt. I think the people who have degrees and are rude about it, would have been rude just the same without a degree. Everyone I know with a degree is pretty polite and down to earth and don’t treat people without college educations poorly. That’s just my experience though.
Do you want your doctor to be well trained? Stem is the only field that should require a degree
College degree should count as experience. If you graduate high school, how are you going to get hired if the company want experience. Makes no sense at all.
Go to school for 20 years. End up with more debt than a mortgage and no job because nobody wants to pay employees. They just want AI to do all the work while the CEOs and shareholders live it up on their yachts.
Flippy the robot never talks back, never gets tired, never takes breaks, etc. 😂
I finally got my bachelors after trying off and on for nearly 18 years before I got mine. I worked part-time dead-end jobs and still live at home after all these years. I had a health scare, the summer before my senior year and then when I graduated the covid pandemic hit. I could not get a job after that. I am now going back for a second bachelor's degree in something I always wanted to get which is in history. My first degree was in business, agricultural business to be exact because I wanted something different than business administration. Unlike this story I graduated with no debt because I lived at home and worked dead end jobs and so I did not earn enough to pay taxes and so I qualified for fafsa.
Well, in 1960, 7.7% of the US population graduated from college, yet non-college graduates could find work that pay a living wages since the US was the manufacturing superpower during that time.
Degrees are still very much required in my job field. I still see education as a valuable tool. These folks tend to be more disciplined and emotionally intelligent.
This needs to happen in NYC. So prejudicious
They should also relax ALL experience requirements for ALL entry level positions.
This. Because why do I need experience for ENTRY LEVEL?!
@@Jenna1394 When I was job searching (this was before I started working for Amazon as a fulfillment center associate), I noticed that virtually ALL entry level positions require some level of experience. It's catch 22 (in order to have experience, get experience).
And around 40% of college grads aren’t using their degree 🤷🏼♂️
actually its more like 70 percent...
*_"1 in 5 don't require you to have a college degree"_*
But 4 in 5 or 80% still do 🤦
There was a point in time that you needed a college degree to be a supervisor at the supermarket. It was actually a degree and prior experience, whole thing made my education feel like a waste.
It’s a lack of good teachers most likely but nobody would ever admit that
Yeah, this trend makes sense. Many degree requirements only appeared because 20-30 years ago, jobs like secretaries were inundated with applicants, so college degree requirements were used to thin the herd. Now that companies are having a hard time finding people, makes sense to reverse it.
glad governors are doing this and this should be a law in the US to have companies train instead of every American spending on collage, but many good companies require a degree
A college degree has never, ever guaranteed a good job.
Ever.
I did not have a college degree for years people didn’t think I was qualified they would say all kinds of nasty things. Fortunately I had a few bosses that believed in me. I did go back to school and finish but I am really glad people are holding space for difference.
I no longer live in PA. I went into the Army in 2011. Getting my associates and bachelors degree for free. I been in the Army for 11 years and I have yet to get a good job that pays over 50k a year. Now in South Carolina where I get interviews for good paying jobs. I guess getting out of Pennsylvania helps
It's funny how they pretty much said the same thing on why they were switching to needing degrees.
The government is also looking to not pay student loans. So hire non-college degree holding individuals and book, you've potentially cut tons of money that would've been going to the government matching a percentage of loans. Def a long game here.
street smart always beats book smart
what about the 10 years exp require for an entry level job? XD
I agree to some extent. You have to take into account a number of things. I found while in school, students were learning just to pass the test but didn't retain much of the material. Some students were cheating. Therefore not really learning what was necessary. You can buy a college degree on line. Some fields are necessary to have an education. My oldest brother doesn't have a college degree. However, he was blessed to be an engineer through his years of experience. God is Good!
I'm a hiring manager at a large corporation. We're doing that too.
I'm actually single handedly creating an onramp for people to do what I do in IT. Small internal "gigs" for those with grit.
You build relationships with those who do a bunch of them, and if you do a good enough job, you may get a job as an associate.... Which pays less than a college grad, but more than a regular job. With enough commitment though, you
can move up.
I think this is a great move. The current tuition prices are so obscene that only a fool would be comfortable with that ROI. People who opted not to be saddled with years of debt likely possess greater critical thinking skills. Not to mention all the peculiar brainwashing going on at many schools these days. This country desperately needs a renaissance of common sense.
I got my degree, and I hope to use it to become an editor, but I also really love organic gardening. I am not going back to school to learn skills I have already begun teaching myself. Many careers really don't need this.
I got my BA and was young and foolish about the job market. Basically, I was picky and wasn't looking at the big picture, so missing opportunities. I started working on my MA and got inspired by the other students and casting a wider job-hunting net. I gained technical and research skills at school and built professional skills as I worked. It’s tough doing work and school, but I’m hoping once I finish school to focus on my career goals more clearly. Unsurprising these days, I’m making more with my work experience than if I start in my field of interest that my degree prepares me for. Nevertheless, I plan to graduate debt free and make moves from there. I would not have done college if my local university was crazily unaffordable like so many others. I like that I could have done well without college, and that college could (potentially) give me different opportunities in a subject matter I really care about.
So dumb.
Lowering the bar to the lowest common denominator.
every front desk job I've applied for/worked at since graduating college in 2008 has wanted a 4 year degree. you don't need a college degree to answer phones and do filing and yet that's what these employers are asking for.
Now they can pay less
But that part wasn't in the story
Also ask any of the leaders at these companies if their kids are going to college after high school and they'll all say yes
This this this... they are lying. The people saying you don't need a degree are highly educated. After they drop the requirement they will take more of the wealth for themselves and there educated peers.
They should try to lower the cost of education. Also, Republicans made a concerted attempt to remove merit systems for government jobs which means nepotism. Got to be careful with these things
I agree to some extent. There are jobs where a person needs a college degree. What people call a "piece of paper." Yes people put themselves in debt for financial security and to get paid more!!
Jobs that a college degree is needed is nursing, doctor, teachers and social workers just to name a few.
I worked with individuals who didn't have a college degree in social work. The problem was they didn't have social work experience and they didn't have good communication skills which damaged the social worker and client helping relationship.
So yes a "paper" is needed to learn the skills needed to do the job right, my opinion. Do you want a nurse with no degree and experience?
I agree! I have worked with others that didn't have a college degree. They not only lack communication but also writing skills.
@@javierlima4094 I’ve worked with many people that do have a degree and lack communication and writing skills. Absolute idiots that feel entitled because of a degree when half the time they got a certain job due to a certain connection. Please.
Chatgpt 🤷🏽♂️
This is completely circumstantial, if it doesn’t apply it typically flys! I’m sure this video wasn’t implying that all jobs shouldn’t require a degree…
Honestly that sounds like a training issue, not a degree one. Companies downsized their training departments to move the cost ot employees through college education. These companies now understand what a mistake that is, now that college is increasingly unattainable.
I find it weird that the USA tries to lean on education now that we r in the worlds eye when tenure has been the driving force for decades! Just 20 years ago, degree or no degree you didn’t move up unless u had 10plus years at one company! Employers cared about dedication most! Most ppl I know can not afford college and to survive while working full time, and being a parent. College is unrealistic for how america TRULY operates.
Not everyone have the opportunity to continue their education because of family issues
Same
4 years at UCLA with a philosophy degree… lent me a job delivering groceries!!!!
But the experience is invaluable...lol
what do you do with a philosophy degree? become a teacher?
Someone should have helped you pick a different degree. Sorry.
hey atleast u gotten wiser after and more knowledgeable compared to most people
Respectfully that’s a useless degree
The shift of focus and resources to sports over academics has caused the college degree to be worthless. Pumped out to many diplomas for people with a 7th grade education.
This is an insane move. Why don’t we stop charging people with a high tuition cost and give them the proper training instead. This is like putting a train on the rail without regulations.
The problem is this: Most people have never gone to college, and thus don't understand the benefits. People have been told now that college is a waste of money and time, it's liberal indoctrination, ect. Those are all lies, but again, most people don't know that, because they never went to college themself. College teaches critical thinking skills, communication skills, and how to defend yourself from employers who attempt to use your lack of education to gain higher profits at your expense, regardless of what degree you get. I am the only one in my company with a college degree, and I can argue circles around anyone else in my company. My boss wanted to cut my pay, and laid out how flawed his logic was, and prevented that from happening. You just don;t learn these things in high school.
Less & less people are going to college so this is inevitable.
@@heyaisdabomb I went to college and can fully affirm everything you said is a lie. Instead of making skilled workers college makes pseudo intellectual narcissists, because instead of rewarding you for learning from mistakes they reward you for memorizing the answers.
The average salary of a bachelors degree (which takes 4 years, half of which is spent on useless liberal propaganda) is a measly 55k a year with 40k of debt, you could go to a trade school and make 100k debt free in one year.
@@heyaisdabomb no it really doesn't.
All I learned in college was how to study better. Studying for a test is not critical thinking.
The universities have greased too many palms of politicians to stop raising tuition, since loans are guaranteed by the greased palms of politicians.
I am 36, and I have a G.E.D. I have a 740 credit score, I own 07 camry 109k miles and 2020rav4 26k miles. I live in a 2 bedroom. I have 0 dept. I make 64k a year with 2 blue color jobs. My cost of living is 27k. For longest people with white color jobs made fun of me for not pushing higher education. I guess I am pretty blessed to follow my heart and not others. I am thinking of buying a 4 bedroom and renting out the unit. I know how to build and fix some maintenance, which won't be an issue for me. My goal is to have 4.2mil at 65 to retirement. With only a high-school diploma.
As a blue collar you should aim to retire earlier. You will not have the same energy and also take to account the injuries from the job.
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I worked for local government and they have jobs that pay basically the same as they did in the 90s. Instead of raising the pay for the jobs that require a college degree they just removed the degree requirement.
This explains so much. Society is getting dumber. 🤔🤔🤔
Because of the education system
College is very expensive. I worked in the electrical wholesaling business for 20 years and a college degree is almost as good as t.p. It was important to just know the product and the jargon. Three co-workers in the business had standard four year degrees from a state accredited university and those degrees were useless.
Keep pushing the lazy narrative. Community college and state universities are not expensive. Furthermore, a college degree especially a technical one like engineering, science, math etc are not worthless.
Keep being angry at the world and making excuses.
@@USNEM how is $100k not expensive?!
@@mastersnet18 what community college or state university charges $100k for a bachelor's degree? Do you know what a community college and state university is?
You might need to go back to high school so you can learn the differences between private and state college/university.
@@USNEM well before you get so cocky I already looked up the same colleges I went to. My state happens to have more expensive colleges than the Deep South. It costs $115,000 to go to the community college i went to, and then 2 years at the state college. Of course if you don’t live at the state school you’ll save $26,000. You can easily pay $200k+ for a private college. Maybe you should keep up with the times. It’s not 1990 anymore. College doesn’t cost 2 months wages anymore.
If I could do it again, I’m thinking Community College in STEM would be the play. UNC c/o 2013 though
a step in the right direction there should be a bar exam for every degree required position. Not just law. Self education is the future of this country!
When I hear about self education, I think of flat earth mom teaching their kids that the "globetards" are evil.
real world experience is way better than a piece of paper . not all jobs should require a degree . when you know your job and in high demand and no degree was needed , thats just good work
@John Jones I have friends that are pilots with no degree
@John Jones thats not a good point to make right now with all the near misses
@John Jones I have a federal A&P license that allows me to work on anything that flies, from a 172 Cessna to the space shuttle. It didn't have anything to do with college, or degrees as I have none. Just real world experience and passing the FAA tests to get my license. You should remember that when you fly. Most of those mechanics "maintaining" those aircraft you fly on, all they did was pass a course and got a degree. They have no clue what they are looking at or what they are doing.
@John Jones . You still fly?. Don't you know how under payed the pilot is?.
@@ericortega1745 No, I don't fly anymore
So 62% of Americans over 25 don’t have a college degree, well that’s a big problem. Instead of finding a solution to get people more higher education, employers waived higher education entirely instead along with government support…. Either higher education is becoming more useless or these employers are making a big mistake. Wonder what kind of companies are they. Surely engineering, finance, medical, technology sector need a college degree… America is changing so rapidly it is hard to catch up. At this pace we going to see 100% of Americans over 25 without a college degree. Yup, let’s make it a national holiday too when we finally hit that mark. Wow… amazing
Lol someones mad they got brainwashed to spend 4 years and 100k on a worthless degree that gives an average salary lower than a trash truck driver
College is not worth it. Most people with college degrees can't find work that they went to college for. Many end up getting jobs they could have done straight out of high school.
If college was so great, most people would have great jobs after graduating from college. About 70% of college grads end up with those jobs they could have had out of high school and they will be taking orders from someone with an associate's degree.
This isn't just about the employers changing hiring requirements. This also shows how badly colleges and universities are doing at preparing people for careers. When colleges and universities embraced the research model and the neoliberal model for running their institutions, they destroyed career preparation.
For some of us school Just wasn’t an option I wish I could had went but when you’re homeless the first thing on your mind is getting a job and a place
There's community college, trade programs, etc etc
Victim mentality does nothing for you.
@@USNEM 🫤 can you not. You don’t know my story. All I did was express where I came from. Chill out before things go left
@@CatmanMEOOOOW my comment still stands. I have a friend that was homeless and still went to community college. This country gives so many opportunities that it's ridiculous that people still find ways to complain.
@@USNEM Yep. I remember watching a documentary about homeless students at UC Berkeley. Where there's a will, there's a way.
High quality university degrees are very expensive in the US, unlike the ones in Scandinavian countries. This is why the violent crime rate is extremely high
Critical thinking…. Something u don’t see often these days!
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I once applied for a receptionist job that turned me down because I only had a highs school diploma (and 4 years of experience as a restaurant host).
Who goes to college to become a receptionist for $13 an hour?
Great to know I can spend years getting a degree and it not get me a job. This has more to do with college degree carriers not wanting to be paid the bare minimum. It also doesn't help that many universities are radicalizing students.
I have completed three college degrees as of September 2017 and I'd have killed to get a desk job paying 15$ an hour. Now in permanent injury from a fractured knee at a minimum wage job and on benefits. I'd do anything to be healthy enough to work two jobs and 'struggle' as people say they do. You don't get much freedom on medicaid and Ssdi. Be thankful for your freedom when you can work at least full time. People who work two jobs are blessed beyond measure
They can actually save money and build towards retirement. I'm bored every day and night not being able to work and I have autism too. I would be so happy to be healthy enough to own a house, do housework, and work two jobs. I used to not mind my recent minimum wage job as it was cutting produce in the back room with my music on so I could focus but even having enough attention to cook now is even a struggle. Used to be able to be hopeful and ambitious with my degrees but only minimal wage jobs wanted me even when I asked at my volunteer position to take a proficiency test in what I wanted to put on my resume under responsibilities. If I wanted quick books experience, for example. I'd have to take a test on it then I could claim I did it.
I hold a job and have held others in the past where it's assumed I have a degree, some might have even listed it as a requirement, but my experience tends to overshadow any lack of degree. And just because of some of the comments I am talking about tech sector ~100k + salary
How do you get experience if you never get the opportunity?
@@petelee2477 you work your way up. In my case literally from retail
I have been in college since I was 19 and I am 33 now, and all I have to show for is an associate degree and I am completely fine with just that, but the jobs that I want that I have training for and specializing in all require a bachelor degree! Screw that! I am not wasting my 30s like I did my 20s!!
I think people genuinely don’t understand the importance of at least having an education. These very same companies scrapping degree requirements are the same ones that lobby to keep universities underfunded.
It’s also assuring that our workforce will not be able to compete with our international counterparts. I wish more people would try to understand that. It’s not just about student loan debt, other countries’ job markets have much higher standards than ours for well-paying positions and there’s no way this will benefit us in the long run.
Good, most college students come out dumber than when they came in. If we start prioritizing real life experience over a college “education” which is a basically a daycare for 20 year olds we’ll become so much more successful in this country. Not to mention college requirements disproportionately harm minorities and keep them from getting good jobs that they’re qualified for.
@@DawnNa_22 these jobs that are removing degrees requirements are not high paying
@@DawnNa_22 you act like companies are doing this for our best interest.
They are getting rid of the college requirement because nobody with a college degree is willing to work for the measly $15 an hour wage being offered and instead of doing the sensible thing and paying people what they are worth they lowered the barrier to entry so that the position can be filled.
@@petelee2477 Never said they didn’t need to pay more. But coming out of college, the best job I could get was one that didn’t pay well because I had no experience outside of school and retail. I didn’t set my sights on that job initially but my degree gave me a slight edge to be selected so I was thankful. These companies absolutely need to pay more, but it starts with not devaluing the thousands and thousands of hours and dollars people spend on education like it doesn’t matter.
I got a college degree. The college that I graduated from told me I was "unemployable" a couple of weeks after I graduated. They basically admitted to me that my degree was worthless. So much for college degrees.
That sounds like a fly-by-night trade school. Pretty sad if you couldn’t discern it wasn’t a university.
@@genxx2724 It was a four year College.
Skills and knowledge are paramount. It doesn't matter how you acquire them.
A college degree for most jobs just proves to someone that maybe you are somewhat competent. It manly will help younger people with less work experience. Of course college also helps with getting internships and meeting people. I would think as you get older the degree should mean a lot less and your experience more. I do think its foolish that some companies require degrees as they should also look at experience.
I'm personally a prime example of this. I have a position that generally requires a bachelor's degree but I do not have one. I worked extremely hard at my job to get where I am at. It was not easy at all but I managed to do it. Beacuse I did not have college debt I was able to afford my own house at 26. It's insane to say but not going to college was the best decision.
White male privilege.
I got years of experience and 92 credit hours but no degree
But a bachelors is all that matters to some employers
I can't believe. I always wanted to study cs but couldn't afford. But this inspired me. Wish me luck