The key to this machine is actually finding a shop that knows how to properly use it and read what the machine is telling them. In my area, there are probably dozens of shops that have this machine, of those, maybe 10 know how to use all of the functions to diagnose/fix a ride vibration. I can only hope that Hunter's focus is not just on selling these machines, but training technicians to fully utilize them.
we have one of these machines the thing has like you tube style diy videos inside of the machine and a video faq the machine can literally train you what to do .
Had one of these machines at a shop I worked at. They later went back to a more basic machine from another brand after back to backing it with their old Coats unit. Pricey unit with lots of problems and little support
@@greekmaster1001 balancing is the least of your problems if the roadforce detects a problem, worst case a rim or tyre will need to be replaced if you cant fix the issue. balancing wont really help if you dont address the other problem. lol
In high shcool auto shop class (90-94') when we had an issue with a tire being so far out of balance, we did the exact same thing. We would break the bead from the rim and twist it 180deg which always seemed to work. Fast forward 15 years and I had Sears doing the mount and balance, when I went to inspect the job I brought it to the attention of the shop manager that they had put almost 10 ounces on the inside of one rim. I told them I wanted them to do the 180 twist (turn the tire on the rim) and they gave me a deer in the headlights look. I explained to them I was a Mechanic who didn't have access to my own tire change tools and then I had to explain exactly what I wanted them to do and they fought me the entire way. I actually had to mark on the tire and rim where I wanted them to align. I finally got them to do it and rebalance the wheel to only have to use 1/2 ounce on the front and 1/4 on the inside. Why don't people listen or pay attention anymore?
Same reason a Toyota dealer in Florida over filled my oil 3 times after oil changes. Even after I reminded them not to. Got to give them credit though, they only put the wrong type of oil in it once! Basically they do not give a rats you know what! And even if they did they’re to stupid to do it right. Then they send out surveys to gauge your satisfaction. Give me a break.
Just had this service done on my car after experiencing vibration between 48-59 MPH and two normal tire balances that didn't fix the problem. I watched as it was done and saw the alert come on for 2 of the 4 tires. Technician was well-versed on system/program and appeared to have entered and followed instructions on machine. Car feels brand new now and well worth the $16 per tire. Technology is amazing! 👏
@@itswhipI’m guessing that there is more services being advised in that quote than a simple balancing. That’s balancing pricing for exotics or high performance cars on bleeding edge tech wheels like carbon fiber wheels.
All shops have this machine but they don't use the road force part because they have no idea how to do it. I had told a shop to road force balance my wheels he said they don't do that. I asked why, he told me because they have to remove the tire and they don't have the machine. As he's saying that I'm staring at the road force machine. The exact one in this video with the force wheel and everything. I feel you have to give mechanic shops a quiz before you drop off your car or they will fuck that shit up
What I like best about road force balancing is that less weights are used to balance the tire. Nothing worse with a brand new set of tires on my truck than to see wheel weights covering 1/4 of the rim. Not anymore. And btw- if you see weights in 2 different spots on a rim, like a weight at 12'oclock and another smaller at 3'oclock, then the first weight wasn't put in the correct location on the rim and the additional weight corrected the mistake. Just shoddy work.
Try to set the weights at the correct place when it asks you for 150 or 180g not so easy it wants the weight precisely in that location but the weights are way bigger than that location and slight variation in the placement throws the machine off. Generally the tire shops are super busy and balancing and rebalancing one wheel costs way more than just adding an extra weight
@@JonasPranskunas I have to disagree. The road force balancer at my local shop has a sophisticated computer screen and a laser line for precise placement of the weight(s). For whatever reason the mechanic put the weight(s) slightly off. If you spin up a wheel the machine tells you exactly where and how much weight to add. When you add weights and respin to check, if the machine says to add additional weight in another spot the mechanic should just simply start over. It only takes literally another 30 seconds to do it right.
@@steadyeddie7453 not talking about road balancing but talking about general balancing you can change a tire in about 2 minutes including balancing (talking about the easy ones) and if u take a couple of minutes to scramble on the balancing machine the colleagues are waiting for u to finish and that isnt eficient ant taking of the weight cleaning the glue and reaplying it is very inefficient
Finally somebody using the lug adapter! I wish he would’ve talked about why he used the lug adapter and not just the center cone. Most shops don’t understand it.
...those are nice for the bulk of the vehicle's but kinda a pain to set up, there is also a swing arm adjustable one very handy for old VWs or other European models with no hub pilot or mag wheels with center caps rusted in place...but the machine actually has a "centering check " built in, and I've noticed little difference between them.
I just had this done on my lincoln mkx.. with cheap Uniroyal tires that still had 7/32 tread left... only one of the 4 tires were able to get to the 8 range.. the others they went from 49 to 48, 21 to 8, 45 to 38, and 25 to 24.. which obviously still left it wobbling and vibration.. so next up is 4 new tires..
I drive a 2010 Lincoln MKS with 20" stock wheels. Ever since the first time I've had to balance my tires I've been going through hell trying to chase vibration at around 70 mph. Recently had a sidewall blowout after hitting a nasty invisible pothole (I've driven through there again and I still don't see what I hit) Changed the front tires, had a little balancing issue I had to bring the car back to the shop for to correct, car rode smooth as butter! So, in that moment I knew it was possible to get this car to ride smoothly for the first time in years! And this is after having hit that pothole! But then I noticed the trailing rear tire from the blowout had a bubble in it... I should've known and should've checked for it. So, despite my smooth driving car, I had to replace the other two tires, so now I'm sitting on 4 brand new tires, all freshly balanced, twice now and the car still vibrates at 70-80 mph. They know me by name at this tire shop now. But I just recently found out about road force balancing and after watching this video I now believe that is exactly what I need! So, I scheduled an appointment at a different location that has one of these machines, and hopefully they take full advantage of this machine on all 4 of my wheels. It's no fun having a Lincoln that rides worse than a Jeep... literally... my company Jeep Renegade rides so much smoother right now.
This video is 8 years old, yet somehow no one in my area has one of these machines, save for the high priced dealerships. They want $400 to balance the tires with it. Absolutely ridiculous
Hi, I had my Volvo XC90 wheels replaced. They used a similar machine to balance the wheel and once balanced it showed the tyre configuration for least vibration. i.e. which tyre needs to go where, front left or right and so on and so forth. While showing the configuration, it also showed the road forces. Tyre 1 : 12.5 kg Rear Right Tyre 2 : 05.0 kg Front Left Tyre 3 : 11.0 kg Rear Left Tyre 4 : 10.5 kg Front Right Tyre 3 shows less when compared to the other 3. I feel a kind of vibration and a pull towards the left when driving. Has this value something to do with the issues that I am facing ? Appreciate your response. Thank you.
I'll never go back to conventional tire balancing. Since I've been listening to and following Pat Goss, I've been having my tires road force balanced and filled with nitrogen. Great video!
While you're waiting, some tire shops also provide nutrient-rich, dihydrogen monoxide for you to consume at $10/bottle (normal price $20/bottle if not buying tires at same time). It is guaranteed to leave you feeling refreshed. Heard it's pretty good and a steal at the discounted rate. Try it out.
i have taken my 2 front wheels to 8 tire shops and they keep saying my wheels and tires are good yet i can feel a LUMP on the front end while in idle speed ...
I guess the mechanic at the tire shop I went to didn't feel like removing the tires and reinstalling them back onto the wheels in a different location so after 2 tries and still experiencing vibration, I'm gonna use balancing beads.
That is an excellent balancing system. Sadly the problem is the untrained technician, pressure on the technician to turn out jobs or just sloppy, lazy technicians that work at these tire shops now days just can’t or will not do the job right. The managers, that are just kids themselves with no technical experience would prefer to play on their phones rather than supervise the jobs that are being performed. These days service technicians won’t perform the work properly, not even at the dealers. When I was a youngster working on heavy equipment, big rigs and school buses, there were times when I would rim mount a tire and then have to deflate and break the tire back down, then I would reposition the tire on the rim, sometimes multiple times to get the tires to balance properly. That type of professional work ethics today is almost unheard of. I would love to find a shop that would do that type of quality work. I would have absolutely no problem with paying the extra dollars to have that type of professionalism put into the service on my vehicle.
Went to Big O twice in a day to get my tires balanced correctly. After still feeling the shaking through the steering wheel, I went to the Toyota dealer. "Your wheels were really out of balance," the mechanic said. That's after two trips to Big O. I was once a fan of that store, but not anymore. I'm half tempted to get my own equipment, but before I do, I'll be sure to call around and ask if they have a hunter machine that they know how to use. I wonder how many people will honestly answer that question. Lol
This is awesome, I'm guessing I'm not getting this at Walmart. But they are cheap and they can balance a tire as long as you don't get a wonky tire or rim.
These machines are not for cheap people that buy Walmart tires. It’s 4 square feet of rubber connecting my family to the road. I don’t cheap out on tires. Some tires and wheels just won’t balance well on traditional balancers.
I went to the dealer and was charged $180 for road force balancing. Car still has a vibration and over 4 oz of weights are on 1 wheel. Also there are weights at 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock position, which I’m pretty sure you should never do. I think they simply put them on a balanced machined and charged me for road force. How would I be able to tell. The yellow dots on my tire aren’t close to the valve stems…
I bought 4 new wheels that came with tires. they were a dealer take off on a 2022 Lexus GX 460. 18 inch wheels with a Michelin P 265/60R18. That tire comes on many Premium GX 460's. They balanced them at Costco twice and after still had vibrations. Once you get above 40 mph you feel a significant vibration. This does not occur with the stock wheels and tires that originally came on the vehicle. Original tires are Bridgestone. Took it to the Lexus dealer. they suggested a road force balance. I agreed, but the vehicle is still having the exact same symptoms. I don't think they did what you mentioned as far as rotating the wheel on the rim. I did notice that the weights are not confined to say a pin point on the wheel but there are many in a line about 10 inches long! The tires don't have damage or flat spots, they have maybe 100 miles on them. Any suggestions?
Just had a rear tire replaced on a new 2023 Porsche 911……it was literally punctured during delivery setup. They “patched” it so I could take delivery……and they replaced it the next week. They used the Road Force equipment to “balance” the new tire. My concern is, they weights on the rim are exactly the same weights that were on it when the original tire was on the wheel…..they didn’t remove or change them after mounting the new tire. Should this concern me ? Wouldn’t they start by removing the old weights when mounting a new tire ?
The tires on my car developed flat spotting due to being standing in the same positions for few months. Now when I drive the car, It starts to vibrate a little when I speed over 60 mph and gets worse on higher speed. I did got wheels balanced and it did smoothened the ride a bit but not much. So, i was thinking if getting a roadforce wheel balance help in this case when vibrations are due to flatspotting in tires?
OK I the old days we used to balance each corner individualy on the car itself. This took into account rotors, bearings tires wheels and any other item that was out of balance as part of the complete spinning assy. So is there anything currently available now that does the same thing
Me 43 years as a mechanic. Now retired. Had one at a friends shop years ago. Balancer mounted on the rim & you could in the older days, Spin up the rear wheels balancing the whole assembly. The front was spun up using an electric motor driven portable drum on a dolly. They were great for there time. Like Ernesto said they balanced everything. not just the tire. Don't think you will ever see one in use today given traction control won't let you spin up the drive wheels. And all wheel drive would be tough to do.
I used to think road force balancing is bs. It's not tho. No one could balance out these tires I had. Kept vibrating. Than I went to a legit tire shop. They road force balanced all 4 wheels and it fixed it.
With all this wonderful technology still the average tire shop service tech is reluctant to use the equipment as they should and gives you a lackluster job. You can have all the equipment in the world, but if the person operating it sucks.....well...
I paid for road force balancing for my tires. The shop claims they are using a road force balancing machine when I take my car there. Can they print the report to show me my tire(s) are within spec? I am suspicious they are telling me a tale since I feel a slight vibration while driving.
...I happen to operate a similar balancer at my job, and if they are honest, I believe this is about as much help as a person can get up to shaving the tires, (which you don't want to do before you check for a bent rim)...did your tech tell you what the runout was, also helps if you can put the high runout tires further away from the steering wheel,(all this can get pretty labor intensive as now the sensors may need to be reset) on bigger vehicles, "hub centering" and drive shaft balancing are also issues.
I just got my tires done today. I was like, wft is a “Road force Balance? Now I know it costs me $368.00. Worth it? Idk Chevy stated it won’t be perfect but they were able to bring the Excessive down from 34 to 21. My tires had great tread no issues yet in order to rid of the slight noise, I have to get a new set of tires. So I feel that i wasted $368.00. Becuz I still feel or hear the slight noise at low speeds. But hey we live and we learn. New set of tires it is. Don’t live in New Orleans.
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Was that $368 including the tires? The balance should be around $80
I wanted to know what a normal value is for the road forse so you mentioned 8 is OK...I just got 4 new wiunter tires installed by a Nokian dealer using Hunter Road Force and values I was told they had were 7,7,8 and 9. These numbers seem OK I mean low enough but I still have some vibrations in my car above 120km/h (front and rear). Does it mean the balancing is off for some of them causing the vibrations? Other tires I had with up to 14LB road force values had to be rebalanced to get rid of any vibration.
...these numbers must be metric but I usually force match anything 17 or less @ .020 (thousands of an inch)...18" @ .025 ...19.5 @ .035 ...22.5 @ .040-.055 depending on where it going as duallys can have their high spots put in opposition.
It works! I payed $120 but i got raped by Tire Choice. In Orlando After i got it done the price didn't seem right called other shops they all charge $60 for all 4 😞 I just hate scammers
I normally go to Discount Tire off of JYP and Osceola Pkwy and they're charging $107 as of today for this service. My question to you is, did they do it correctly the first time for you? If so, then maybe this $107 will be worth it because I'm currently feeling a vibration and I want it to stop. Hahaha
Yes - just had it done at Discount Tire earlier today on my 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins truck - which has 18" steel chrome-clad rims and there was no issue with the type of rims and doing road force balance. Worked perfectly for 3 of 4 wheels... unfortunately 4th wheel/rim itself is out of round/off-spec and will have to be repaired or replaced in order to be able to balance a tire on it properly. No wheel repair shops in this area. Good news is dealer service rep says probably covered under warranty. Bad news is once they verify the problem, they have none in stock and will have to order it in...
No!..."this forced balance" does not exist....you just made that up....Pat Goss was talking about Road Force Balancing....not "this forced balance"...please pay attention and stop being so slow of understanding...
Had road force test done which proved 2 out of 4 new tires were bad. Walmart refuses to accept this computer read out for replacement tires..How do I argue my point in court...I've replaced struts, wheels and had driveshaft checked in argument against Walmart who said it was bad rims and "frame" damage...thank you
If four tires are sharing the weight of a car is the force divided accordingly also if a cars front and back air pressure is different how does this affect the method used to determine the right balancing per two tires particularly when rotation time comes
I have an 06 F450 when it to my local tire shop to have my tires road force balance very disappointed they told me that I had a messed up tire i purchase to more tires $650 with them the machine keep saying that it was a messed up I'll send you pictures of it so basically I spent $650 for nothing all about the road force but the technician didn't know how to use the machine it kept giving an error message asking for the rap to come out and he said just ignoring
I was once told by the Hunter repair tech that road force is utterly useless but loves it because he has a job. He later told me that the none skid tape on the roller serves no purpose but to shave layers of rubber instead of helping spin wheels. He later stated that with/without the none skid paper you get the same results.
He's an unemployed hunter rep. I can tell you from experience. Road Force is not gimmick. Probably the best diagnostic tool I have for vibration issues.
I was hoping for a more detailed technical explanation , so that I might be a more informed consumer , but was disappointed with only a cursory " look at this" presentation .
Firestone told me that they charge the same to road force balance as for a basic balance, does this sound right to you? I've never heard of anyone charging the same for both of these procedures??? Roadforce is generally twice the cost.
If your local Firestone will "sell" you road force balance at same cost of standard balance, "Get 'R Done"... don't look a gift horse in the mouth, as they say. I think most places charge extra, but grab the deal!
Hmmm....the lack of additional charge tells me that they do it but don't really pay attention to the results. The extra cost is justified because there is extra labor. If the results are not good on the first run they have to deflate the tire, turn it around the rim, inflate again and do the balance again. This is extra time and it is justifiable to cost extra. The lack of an extra charge tells me they are not doing it OR the cost of the basic balance already includes the road balance charge.
The key to this machine is actually finding a shop that knows how to properly use it and read what the machine is telling them. In my area, there are probably dozens of shops that have this machine, of those, maybe 10 know how to use all of the functions to diagnose/fix a ride vibration. I can only hope that Hunter's focus is not just on selling these machines, but training technicians to fully utilize them.
we have one of these machines the thing has like you tube style diy videos inside of the machine and a video faq the machine can literally train you what to do .
There needs to be an incentive such as a pay increase for these techs who understand how to use these machines.
Had one of these machines at a shop I worked at. They later went back to a more basic machine from another brand after back to backing it with their old Coats unit. Pricey unit with lots of problems and little support
I didn't see him using any weights.
Why is that?
@@greekmaster1001 balancing is the least of your problems if the roadforce detects a problem, worst case a rim or tyre will need to be replaced if you cant fix the issue. balancing wont really help if you dont address the other problem. lol
In high shcool auto shop class (90-94') when we had an issue with a tire being so far out of balance, we did the exact same thing. We would break the bead from the rim and twist it 180deg which always seemed to work. Fast forward 15 years and I had Sears doing the mount and balance, when I went to inspect the job I brought it to the attention of the shop manager that they had put almost 10 ounces on the inside of one rim. I told them I wanted them to do the 180 twist (turn the tire on the rim) and they gave me a deer in the headlights look. I explained to them I was a Mechanic who didn't have access to my own tire change tools and then I had to explain exactly what I wanted them to do and they fought me the entire way. I actually had to mark on the tire and rim where I wanted them to align. I finally got them to do it and rebalance the wheel to only have to use 1/2 ounce on the front and 1/4 on the inside. Why don't people listen or pay attention anymore?
At Sears? Really? You're lucky they even listened to you at all.
Clearanceman2 → R I P Sears
Interesting, I am going to do it as I have vibration all over of new tires. Thanks
Because there are a lot of know it all Idiots out there.
Same reason a Toyota dealer in Florida over filled my oil 3 times after oil changes. Even after I reminded them not to. Got to give them credit though, they only put the wrong type of oil in it once! Basically they do not give a rats you know what! And even if they did they’re to stupid to do it right. Then they send out surveys to gauge your satisfaction. Give me a break.
R.I.P Pat...One ,if not the best...Thanks for the memories sir.
This balancer is awesome! It was able to completely eliminate wheel vibration that no other tire shop could figure out. Now my car rides very smooth.
Finally a good explanation of road balancing... Thank you Pat!
Just had this service done on my car after experiencing vibration between 48-59 MPH and two normal tire balances that didn't fix the problem. I watched as it was done and saw the alert come on for 2 of the 4 tires. Technician was well-versed on system/program and appeared to have entered and followed instructions on machine. Car feels brand new now and well worth the $16 per tire. Technology is amazing! 👏
$16 dollars per tire?? My dealership wants to charge me $389 to do all 4! What a rip
@@itswhipI’m guessing that there is more services being advised in that quote than a simple balancing. That’s balancing pricing for exotics or high performance cars on bleeding edge tech wheels like carbon fiber wheels.
Good simple video on road force balancing, thanks
All shops have this machine but they don't use the road force part because they have no idea how to do it. I had told a shop to road force balance my wheels he said they don't do that. I asked why, he told me because they have to remove the tire and they don't have the machine. As he's saying that I'm staring at the road force machine. The exact one in this video with the force wheel and everything. I feel you have to give mechanic shops a quiz before you drop off your car or they will fuck that shit up
Best video on rfb on the net - thanks.
Thank you Pat!!
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Very nice explanation -- Thank you!
Very impressive
great info. thanks
What I like best about road force balancing is that less weights are used to balance the tire. Nothing worse with a brand new set of tires on my truck than to see wheel weights covering 1/4 of the rim. Not anymore. And btw- if you see weights in 2 different spots on a rim, like a weight at 12'oclock and another smaller at 3'oclock, then the first weight wasn't put in the correct location on the rim and the additional weight corrected the mistake. Just shoddy work.
hey eddie - not to mention... they added weights to my brand new rims and scratched them up.
Try to set the weights at the correct place when it asks you for 150 or 180g not so easy it wants the weight precisely in that location but the weights are way bigger than that location and slight variation in the placement throws the machine off. Generally the tire shops are super busy and balancing and rebalancing one wheel costs way more than just adding an extra weight
@@eddiexxx6546 Don't even get me started with scratches rounded lug nuts, or overtorqued lug nuts.
@@JonasPranskunas I have to disagree. The road force balancer at my local shop has a sophisticated computer screen and a laser line for precise placement of the weight(s). For whatever reason the mechanic put the weight(s) slightly off. If you spin up a wheel the machine tells you exactly where and how much weight to add. When you add weights and respin to check, if the machine says to add additional weight in another spot the mechanic should just simply start over. It only takes literally another 30 seconds to do it right.
@@steadyeddie7453 not talking about road balancing but talking about general balancing you can change a tire in about 2 minutes including balancing (talking about the easy ones) and if u take a couple of minutes to scramble on the balancing machine the colleagues are waiting for u to finish and that isnt eficient ant taking of the weight cleaning the glue and reaplying it is very inefficient
Very informative!
Finally somebody using the lug adapter! I wish he would’ve talked about why he used the lug adapter and not just the center cone. Most shops don’t understand it.
Usually those types of whelks can be lug centric... and he was probably just showing it’s capabilities. Lol.
...those are nice for the bulk of the vehicle's but kinda a pain to set up, there is also a swing arm adjustable one very handy for old VWs or other European models with no hub pilot or mag wheels with center caps rusted in place...but the machine actually has a "centering check " built in, and I've noticed little difference between them.
Thanks!
Thank you! Brand new tires low profile causing vibrations. The place I got it from did not have a road force balancer.
Our local shop doesn't either, probably because their serving everything under the sun and this definitely will slow down production.
I just had this done on my lincoln mkx.. with cheap Uniroyal tires that still had 7/32 tread left... only one of the 4 tires were able to get to the 8 range.. the others they went from 49 to 48, 21 to 8, 45 to 38, and 25 to 24.. which obviously still left it wobbling and vibration.. so next up is 4 new tires..
Great thank you so
I drive a 2010 Lincoln MKS with 20" stock wheels. Ever since the first time I've had to balance my tires I've been going through hell trying to chase vibration at around 70 mph. Recently had a sidewall blowout after hitting a nasty invisible pothole (I've driven through there again and I still don't see what I hit) Changed the front tires, had a little balancing issue I had to bring the car back to the shop for to correct, car rode smooth as butter! So, in that moment I knew it was possible to get this car to ride smoothly for the first time in years! And this is after having hit that pothole! But then I noticed the trailing rear tire from the blowout had a bubble in it... I should've known and should've checked for it. So, despite my smooth driving car, I had to replace the other two tires, so now I'm sitting on 4 brand new tires, all freshly balanced, twice now and the car still vibrates at 70-80 mph. They know me by name at this tire shop now. But I just recently found out about road force balancing and after watching this video I now believe that is exactly what I need! So, I scheduled an appointment at a different location that has one of these machines, and hopefully they take full advantage of this machine on all 4 of my wheels. It's no fun having a Lincoln that rides worse than a Jeep... literally... my company Jeep Renegade rides so much smoother right now.
This video is 8 years old, yet somehow no one in my area has one of these machines, save for the high priced dealerships. They want $400 to balance the tires with it. Absolutely ridiculous
They have the unique characteristics of being expensive and crappy. ..not a good combination
Every tire place should include this. But you know how that goes
Hi,
I had my Volvo XC90 wheels replaced. They used a similar machine to balance the wheel and once balanced it showed the tyre configuration for least vibration. i.e. which tyre needs to go where, front left or right and so on and so forth.
While showing the configuration, it also showed the road forces.
Tyre 1 : 12.5 kg Rear Right
Tyre 2 : 05.0 kg Front Left
Tyre 3 : 11.0 kg Rear Left
Tyre 4 : 10.5 kg Front Right
Tyre 3 shows less when compared to the other 3. I feel a kind of vibration and a pull towards the left when driving. Has this value something to do with the issues that I am facing ?
Appreciate your response.
Thank you.
I'll never go back to conventional tire balancing. Since I've been listening to and following Pat Goss, I've been having my tires road force balanced and filled with nitrogen. Great video!
Nitrogen tire fill is a scam. Need to stop ripping yourself off with that.
Clearanceman2 is right.. air is already 70 or so percent nitrogen
Clearanceman2 is right.. air is already 70 or so percent nitrogen
You can't get all of the air out either, so you will never have 100% nitrogen in the tire.
While you're waiting, some tire shops also provide nutrient-rich, dihydrogen monoxide for you to consume at $10/bottle (normal price $20/bottle if not buying tires at same time). It is guaranteed to leave you feeling refreshed. Heard it's pretty good and a steal at the discounted rate. Try it out.
RIP Pat 🙏
We this fix the known shake in Toyota 4 runner? Thank you fir your wisdom on this.
i have taken my 2 front wheels to 8 tire shops and they keep saying my wheels and tires are good yet i can feel a LUMP on the front end while in idle speed ...
I guess the mechanic at the tire shop I went to didn't feel like removing the tires and reinstalling them back onto the wheels in a different location so after 2 tries and still experiencing vibration, I'm gonna use balancing beads.
That is an excellent balancing system. Sadly the problem is the untrained technician, pressure on the technician to turn out jobs or just sloppy, lazy technicians that work at these tire shops now days just can’t or will not do the job right.
The managers, that are just kids themselves with no technical experience would prefer to play on their phones rather than supervise the jobs that are being performed.
These days service technicians won’t perform the work properly, not even at the dealers.
When I was a youngster working on heavy equipment, big rigs and school buses, there were times when I would rim mount a tire and then have to deflate and break the tire back down, then I would reposition the tire on the rim, sometimes multiple times to get the tires to balance properly.
That type of professional work ethics today is almost unheard of.
I would love to find a shop that would do that type of quality work.
I would have absolutely no problem with paying the extra dollars to have that type of professionalism put into the service on my vehicle.
Went to Big O twice in a day to get my tires balanced correctly. After still feeling the shaking through the steering wheel, I went to the Toyota dealer. "Your wheels were really out of balance," the mechanic said. That's after two trips to Big O. I was once a fan of that store, but not anymore. I'm half tempted to get my own equipment, but before I do, I'll be sure to call around and ask if they have a hunter machine that they know how to use. I wonder how many people will honestly answer that question. Lol
Own equipment? Aren't these like 25k or more to buy?
This is awesome, I'm guessing I'm not getting this at Walmart. But they are cheap and they can balance a tire as long as you don't get a wonky tire or rim.
These machines are not for cheap people that buy Walmart tires. It’s 4 square feet of rubber connecting my family to the road. I don’t cheap out on tires. Some tires and wheels just won’t balance well on traditional balancers.
we have this same machine at the dealer ship i work at and i dont think we have ever used it
f-bodys and mustangs That's funny.
What a difference from normal balance and road force balance??
Does the balancer's computer settings require information about the vehicle? Such as manufacturer, model, trim level, weight, wheelbase, etc?
Does anyone has any comments on road force balancing vs using beads inside the tire?
I went to the dealer and was charged $180 for road force balancing. Car still has a vibration and over 4 oz of weights are on 1 wheel. Also there are weights at 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock position, which I’m pretty sure you should never do. I think they simply put them on a balanced machined and charged me for road force. How would I be able to tell. The yellow dots on my tire aren’t close to the valve stems…
I bought 4 new wheels that came with tires. they were a dealer take off on a 2022 Lexus GX 460. 18 inch wheels with a Michelin P 265/60R18. That tire comes on many Premium GX 460's. They balanced them at Costco twice and after still had vibrations. Once you get above 40 mph you feel a significant vibration. This does not occur with the stock wheels and tires that originally came on the vehicle. Original tires are Bridgestone. Took it to the Lexus dealer. they suggested a road force balance. I agreed, but the vehicle is still having the exact same symptoms. I don't think they did what you mentioned as far as rotating the wheel on the rim. I did notice that the weights are not confined to say a pin point on the wheel but there are many in a line about 10 inches long! The tires don't have damage or flat spots, they have maybe 100 miles on them. Any suggestions?
Goodyear Fortera HL...oh Goodyear used to make some good tires.
Just had a rear tire replaced on a new 2023 Porsche 911……it was literally punctured during delivery setup.
They “patched” it so I could take delivery……and they replaced it the next week.
They used the Road Force equipment to “balance” the new tire.
My concern is, they weights on the rim are exactly the same weights that were on it when the original tire was on the wheel…..they didn’t remove or change them after mounting the new tire.
Should this concern me ?
Wouldn’t they start by removing the old weights when mounting a new tire ?
I really liked the presentation style. I want you to please teach me everything there is to know about fixing cars. :-)
Just cars? No trucks, motorcycles, boats, ATVs, trikes....etc? That's easy....
The tires on my car developed flat spotting due to being standing in the same positions for few months. Now when I drive the car, It starts to vibrate a little when I speed over 60 mph and gets worse on higher speed. I did got wheels balanced and it did smoothened the ride a bit but not much. So, i was thinking if getting a roadforce wheel balance help in this case when vibrations are due to flatspotting in tires?
Lol that won’t work. Play dumb and try to warranty claim the tires
OK I the old days we used to balance each corner individualy on the car itself. This took into account rotors, bearings tires wheels and any other item that was out of balance as part of the complete spinning assy. So is there anything currently available now that does the same thing
Ernesto Oliveira I'm curious, how was this done on the car? Is this tech still used? Was it a mobile balancer that you could move from wheel to wheel?
Me 43 years as a mechanic. Now retired. Had one at a friends shop years ago. Balancer mounted on the rim & you could in the older days, Spin up the rear wheels balancing the whole assembly. The front was spun up using an electric motor driven portable drum on a dolly. They were great for there time. Like Ernesto said they balanced everything. not just the tire. Don't think you will ever see one in use today given traction control won't let you spin up the drive wheels. And all wheel drive would be tough to do.
I remember seeing one of those used. Best balancing job ever.
whait flip it over? or rotate it?! what did he mean guys?
I used to think road force balancing is bs. It's not tho. No one could balance out these tires I had. Kept vibrating. Than I went to a legit tire shop. They road force balanced all 4 wheels and it fixed it.
This just seems like a fancy way of saying out of round tire....
With all this wonderful technology still the average tire shop service tech is reluctant to use the equipment as they should and gives you a lackluster job. You can have all the equipment in the world, but if the person operating it sucks.....well...
I have a question. If the wheels are perfect but the tires aren’t, is your only option to shave the tires?
I paid for road force balancing for my tires. The shop claims they are using a road force balancing machine when I take my car there. Can they print the report to show me my tire(s) are within spec? I am suspicious they are telling me a tale since I feel a slight vibration while driving.
...I happen to operate a similar balancer at my job, and if they are honest, I believe this is about as much help as a person can get up to shaving the tires, (which you don't want to do before you check for a bent rim)...did your tech tell you what the runout was, also helps if you can put the high runout tires further away from the steering wheel,(all this can get pretty labor intensive as now the sensors may need to be reset) on bigger vehicles, "hub centering" and drive shaft balancing are also issues.
I just got my tires done today. I was like, wft is a “Road force Balance? Now I know it costs me $368.00. Worth it? Idk Chevy stated it won’t be perfect but they were able to bring the Excessive down from 34 to 21. My tires had great tread no issues yet in order to rid of the slight noise, I have to get a new set of tires. So I feel that i wasted $368.00. Becuz I still feel or hear the slight noise at low speeds. But hey we live and we learn. New set of tires it is. Don’t live in New Orleans.
Was that $368 including the tires? The balance should be around $80
@ including the tires.
Is it possible to balance tires and spacers together?
I wanted to know what a normal value is for the road forse so you mentioned 8 is OK...I just got 4 new wiunter tires installed by a Nokian dealer using Hunter Road Force and values I was told they had were 7,7,8 and 9. These numbers seem OK I mean low enough but I still have some vibrations in my car above 120km/h (front and rear). Does it mean the balancing is off for some of them causing the vibrations? Other tires I had with up to 14LB road force values had to be rebalanced to get rid of any vibration.
I feel that this machine is as much help as a tech and vehicle owner can get, but sometimes it requires a "shave"...
...these numbers must be metric but I usually force match anything 17 or less @ .020 (thousands of an inch)...18" @ .025 ...19.5 @ .035 ...22.5 @ .040-.055 depending on where it going as duallys can have their high spots put in opposition.
It works! I payed $120 but i got raped by Tire Choice. In Orlando After i got it done the price didn't seem right called other shops they all charge $60 for all 4 😞 I just hate scammers
I normally go to Discount Tire off of JYP and Osceola Pkwy and they're charging $107 as of today for this service. My question to you is, did they do it correctly the first time for you? If so, then maybe this $107 will be worth it because I'm currently feeling a vibration and I want it to stop. Hahaha
Is it possible to balance chrome clad rims on a 2014 Dodge Ram. Using this forced balance.
Yes - just had it done at Discount Tire earlier today on my 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins truck - which has 18" steel chrome-clad rims and there was no issue with the type of rims and doing road force balance. Worked perfectly for 3 of 4 wheels... unfortunately 4th wheel/rim itself is out of round/off-spec and will have to be repaired or replaced in order to be able to balance a tire on it properly. No wheel repair shops in this area. Good news is dealer service rep says probably covered under warranty. Bad news is once they verify the problem, they have none in stock and will have to order it in...
No!..."this forced balance" does not exist....you just made that up....Pat Goss was talking about Road Force Balancing....not "this forced balance"...please pay attention and stop being so slow of understanding...
Had road force test done which proved 2 out of 4 new tires were bad. Walmart refuses to accept this computer read out for replacement tires..How do I argue my point in court...I've replaced struts, wheels and had driveshaft checked in argument against Walmart who said it was bad rims and "frame" damage...thank you
John Westfall For anything legal, it is always best to talk to a lawyer.
should u get tires balanced regularly, or just do it when there are vibrations in steering wheel, seats
If four tires are sharing the weight of a car is the force divided accordingly also if a cars front and back air pressure is different how does this affect the method used to determine the right balancing per two tires particularly when rotation time comes
I’m shopping for winter tires, should I invest in Road Force?
Yes, invest in a "Road force"...they sell for $16,000....you will be a happy man....
Mark David So I work at a dealership and we have a tire balancer that has Road force but nobody ever uses it.
Pat, is it appropriate procedure to remove all weights from the wheel prior to road force balancing when a new tire is replacing a worn tire?
evlblkwpnz I'm not Pat, but yes. All old weights should be removed before mounting and balancing a new set of tires.
Hi. Where its yours place pleace ?!
Tnks.
Just buy Michelins and mount them in any position.
But If your lube tech smokes weed all day your tires still won't be balanced
I have an 06 F450 when it to my local tire shop to have my tires road force balance very disappointed they told me that I had a messed up tire i purchase to more tires $650 with them the machine keep saying that it was a messed up I'll send you pictures of it so basically I spent $650 for nothing all about the road force but the technician didn't know how to use the machine it kept giving an error message asking for the rap to come out and he said just ignoring
Huh? WTB punctuation
I was once told by the Hunter repair tech that road force is utterly useless but loves it because he has a job. He later told me that the none skid tape on the roller serves no purpose but to shave layers of rubber instead of helping spin wheels. He later stated that with/without the none skid paper you get the same results.
He's an unemployed hunter rep. I can tell you from experience. Road Force is not gimmick. Probably the best diagnostic tool I have for vibration issues.
I was hoping for a more detailed technical explanation , so that I might be a more informed consumer , but was disappointed with only a cursory " look at this" presentation .
Firestone told me that they charge the same to road force balance as for a basic balance, does this sound right to you? I've never heard of anyone charging the same for both of these procedures??? Roadforce is generally twice the cost.
firestone quoted me $25 a wheel on top of the standard $68
If your local Firestone will "sell" you road force balance at same cost of standard balance, "Get 'R Done"... don't look a gift horse in the mouth, as they say. I think most places charge extra, but grab the deal!
Hmmm....the lack of additional charge tells me that they do it but don't really pay attention to the results. The extra cost is justified because there is extra labor. If the results are not good on the first run they have to deflate the tire, turn it around the rim, inflate again and do the balance again. This is extra time and it is justifiable to cost extra. The lack of an extra charge tells me they are not doing it OR the cost of the basic balance already includes the road balance charge.
Your paying into them having that expensive piece of junk at the shop in the first place
Dont hear much from him anymore 🤦🏻♂️
He's dead
oh R.I.P.@@RallyLancer95