Does Israel DESERVE A Two State Solution? With Palestinian Analyst Mouin Rabbani
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Palestinian analyst Mouin Rabbani explains what a two state solution could look like and whether it is justifiable.
Mouin Rabbani ( / mouinrabbani ) is a researcher and analyst specializing in the contemporary Middle East. He has previously served as Principal Political Affairs Officer with the Office of the UN Special Envoy for Syria, Head of Middle East with Crisis Management Initiative/Martti Ahtisaari Centre, and Senior Middle East Analyst and Special Advisor on Israel-Palestine with the International Crisis Group. He is Senior Fellow with the Institute for Palestine Studies, Co-Editor of Jadaliyya, Contributing Editor of Middle East Report, Associate Fellow of the European Council on Foreign Relations, and Policy Advisor to Al-Shabaka - The Palestinian Policy Network. He is also a member of the UN Mediation Roster. Rabbani has published, presented, and commented widely on Middle East issues, including for most major global media.
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"I will no longer be complicit in genocide." ~ Aaron Bushnell
"Our Ruling class decided that this was normal." ~ Aaron Bushnell
NO .
An illegal non state has NO right to exist, let alone "self-defense" .
like israel nazi entity
Yes, the so called "Palestine" is officially dead from Oct 7
I agree.
You have to be a little more realistic. The israelis are already there. Dissolving their state would cause more harm than good. However, the palestinians deserve a state as well and especially deserve a lot of reparations for all the people and property and cultural artifacts and education that they’ve lost.
We ascend faster if we stop the bad actions than if we respond to them with more pain. But i get your frustration. This situation is so painful to watch that i wanna lash out too.
Keep dreaming and war mongering while people die.
Israel needs to be flipped as Palestine
From the see to the river Israel will be free. Standing with Israel from far away country 💙🇮🇱
@@Athens0709 free to commit genocide per the Talmud against innocent people?
@@Athens0709 Why the f would you want to do that?
You don't get the joke. Israel and Palestine are flipped.
F israel
"Israel is a settler colonial
project that is nearing its end,as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless." - llan Pappe
You can say the same about hamas and the Muslim colonization and the brutality of the 7.10
No you can't.@@Bnidb123
?????? What ??????? @@Bnidb123
Y’all spread a lot of lies about Israel, Israeli Jews are native to that land, Jews existed in that land before different empires conquered it, you guys wanna complain about Israel colonial settlement but not the Arabs who committed those real acts for centuries.
@@Femmeaesthetic They went there from the Sinai, and when they arrived, there were already Canaanites and others already living there. Although I imagine you don't count them as people...
What's wrong with one state and equality for all? Or would you rather give the Nazis their own state, or the KKK their own state, or the Zionists their own state?
Problem is demographics. If everyone is incorporated into one state, it will end up being just another Arab Muslim country.
What then? First off, why should Israel commit suicide?
Second, in this imaginary country, how will Jews be treated by the majority
Witness Lebanon, where under their constitution, powers were to be shared among the Muslims and Christians. Look at what happened?
Israelis would have to be deprogrammed, and the war crimes cannot be ignored.
There is nothing wrong with a 'one state solution' with equality for all as a democratic secular state, in fact it is the only solution. However, a true democratic secular state is an existential threat to the ethnogra-apartheid state of Israel as it exists now. This has always been the game, 5 million Palestinians with the power to vote in a democracy really messes up the plan for a Jewish state in Palestine. That there is and has always been the rub, anything else is intentional obfuscation of what is really not that complex of a problem.
Not with zionists
They want a Jewish majority state, palastinians are double the Jews in number, Israel can't exist without oppressing and ethinc cleansing the palastinians
Modern "Israel" should always be written with quotes.
"Occupied Pallestine"
And land occupied by so called "Palestinians" sb returned to the right owners, Jews and Catholics
@@donHooliganexcept palestine IS occupied, and "israel" is a legal fiction.
Learn how to use quotations correctly.
@@YTsupportsZionaziGenocide
"same team, dumb guy"
lay off the meth.
@@YTsupportsZionaziGenocide
"same team, dork"
lay off the meth.
“The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher
True generally but some committed war crimes.
That said to condemn them we also have to condemn the war crimes done during the jewish uprising against the NAZIS.
@@yellowgreen5229 the only war crime in october 7 is the Hannibal Directive
@@FaycalOuazine There were definitely war crimes on both sides and I absolutely support the Palestinians.
Terrorism is always a terrorism. Do not play with the meaning of the words. We just had a remembrance day in Spain of 2004 jihadists terror attack in Madrid. So by your standards it wasn't a terror attack, either? You're morally bankrupt, that's what it is.
I agree with you. I think Israel needs to allow for independent investigations into the events.
Thanks @yellowgreen5229
That one state MUST be under Palestinian rather than Israeli rule.
It would be that becuz palastinians are double the Jews in number
It's the only way to move forward and lay the foundation for a lasting peace.
From the River to the Sea.
One SHARED country safe and free.
Justice, Peace Equality!
@@seanomaille8157 LOVE THIS!
@@mohamedfathi2159 Actually, thanks to Israel stealing the land from other nations, there are a little under 7 million Israelis and 7 million Palestinians "From the River to the Sea".
Anything less than one democratic state and the right of return of Palestinian refugees, would be an insult to the victims of the Gazan genocide.
It would be an insult to every Palestinian going back to before the Nakba.
A democratic state would end fast when the majority of the population don’t want it.
So be insulted why do you think this war will change anything the Palestinians will become greater supporters of Hamas and Israel will and has swung right wing. Further .. anyone who thinks that Israelis will vote to increase their borders by 300% have a strategic depth of 9 km will move forcibly 660000 Jews from their homes and depend on American support in a future war. .. we see the effect ofvthe progressive calling to end arms sales to Israel now in wartime all for a Hamasfavourable 2State solution is not connected to the changes this war made
Jordan and Gaza are 2 Palestinian states that’s the situation for at least a generation.. the Israeli mindset has returned to that of 1950 till 1967Where the borders are faced either enemy entities no peace is on offer and international influence is anti Israel in general
well let them be insulted... they can write some poetry about it
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Freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇱🇺🇸
End the illegal occupation.
What occupation? What? Tell me, who is the firat palestinian prime minister? What is the palestinian coin? What is their independence day date?
@@bar506 why does the world need to conform to your evil authoritarianism?
Indigenous people don't worship money or destroy the planet....you people do.
humans have rights, whether you respect that, or not.
@@donHooligan always with the willful ignorance to deny Palestinians existence, we don't know there political system but they did have coin and didn't need independence because they weren't ruled by a outside force , prior to isreals existence it was literally on the map so these people need to stop pretending it never existed to justify genocide.
@@donHooligan "you people" congratulations, you are racist! You think every jew only after money no metter what they have to do, thank you for showing your true face, now i know you are just racist
@@donHooligan still didn't answer my questions
Palestinians need their own state. Settlers must move out!!
Apartheid?@leo
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💯 they’re illegal occupiers and colonizers. They must be deported!
WRONG. It’s the state of Israel that has to go away!
Haven’t watched the video yet but who would want to live next to Israel?!? 🤮
nazis
Germans 😂
@@DamnedTears yep, you got that right.
Ukranian "nationalists".
@@DamnedTearsonly because of guilt
No . Cause there is one state . And thats palestine. And jews can live there too. If u they drop their ego.
How many minorities live peacefully under the Islamists? Not 500 years ago but today?
Thats what you don't get, we can't live in your fantasy land of palestine cause we would die, how many palestinians lived and worked in israel before october 7? A lot! How many jews lived or worked in gaza before october 7? I will wait for your answer (i will give you a hint, it rhymes with "miro" 😂
@@bar506Palestinians, Jews and Christians lived together in Palestine. And there are Jews and Christians in the OccupiedTerritories, but these are not Zionists. Zionism has brought militarism, extreme nationalism and unending violence towards neighbours.
@@Helen-xy9qj you are wrong! You can see now all over the world violence against jews is getting worse! This is the soul reason that we need our own state! If people want to live in it go ahead but without killing us
@@Helen-xy9qj its actually islamic jihad that cause violence and death, don't know if you remember but on 9/11 the guy that did it screamed Allahu wkbar and not "Elohim Gadol"!
One state. 100% equal rights, genuine democracy and drop the ‘master race’ ideology to regain some humanity and peace. If not WHY not?
The master race bs is ingrained in every aspect of their life, their laws, their religion. They truly believe to be superior and without equal. They are inherently racist. If given the chance, they will always default to this state of oppressing anyone around them. Of course, this is not enabled by their superiority of genetics, or religion, or way of life, it's enabled by their corrupting of US senate and congress, and most importantly by weaponizing the Holocaust. It's frankly disgusting.
I say all of the above to illustrate why I think a one-state solution is not practical in this case. The colonizers hate the natives, and the natives have been oppressed to the point where it's very hard to accept the colonizers as brothers and sister in a shared nation. I think there must be two states, with the option to unify later on if both parties want it.
@@eraldylliI think Palestinians would be thrilled at the prospect of a one state solution. Every two state proposal is worse for Palestinians than a just one state solution.
Yes, "Israeli" fanatical hatred is a big problem. However, if they hate it that much, a ton of them have passports to their country of origin and can move back. 🤷♂️
Because both factions have armed extremist groups that want to subjugate or displace the other side. Israel/Palestine are wrapped up in a multi-generational blood feud. Multiple factions don't want democracy for the region, they want to be the dominant power.
I think international objectives should be to create separate states to avoid an even worse humanitarian crisis that would come from some kind of inorganically produced One State.
"100% equal rights, genuine democracy and drop the ‘master race’ ideology to regain some humanity and peace."
We could also use something like that here in the Belly of the Beast - the "United" States of Hypocrisy.
A one-state solution will put an end to Zionism due to demographics.
A two-state solution will also put an end to Zionism due to geography.
Zionism is at its end as a project and as an ideology.
No two state solution because Israel will keep attacking.
“The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher
“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pappe
There are Zionists who want a two state solution dummy.
The two state solutions of 1948, 1967, and the 1990s didn't seem to put an end to Zionism.
"The continuation of Israel’s crimes in GAZA and the continued American support with weapons may give a feeling for a moment that evil has triumphed, and that defeating it is impossible, but this is not true and Israel will be defeated and surrender in the end.” ~ The American journalist JT Chapman
" We are the only people on earth asked to guarantee the security of our occupier ...... While Israel is the only country that calls for defense from it's victims." Hanan Ashrawi
ORWELLIAN
Brilliant assessment.
@@DANELLRIDGEWAY George Orwell - 'In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act''
@@talksmoke1190 Israel is done. finished.
@@talksmoke1190 don’t take it from me. There are many knowledgeable Israelis saying the same thing.
“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pappe
You mean Hamas slaughtering civilians? Also if this is brutal to you then it’s far from its end.
@@balle733nobody believes your weak Hasbara nonsense anymore. Even the Israeli media has admitted that the vast majority of casualties on October 7 were done by the Israeli army.
@@balle733which of the two militant factions has slaughtered a much higher percentage of civilians?
Mouin Rabbani in the house !!
They need a one state solution, a 2 state solution hasn't worked for 75yrs
it hasnt been tried
Why should any of the Palestinian land be shared full stop?
It should be a one state solution, the Palestinian state with full sovereignty but whereby should jewish people want to live there they need to become a citizen and swear to uphold the laws of Palestine... exactly like you have to do in the US.
disgusting genocidal take
The ONLY question that should be asked.
And so far the answer is NO.
The decision is made by the Palestinians, not Amerca or Israelis.
“The file concerning the accreditation of Israel is closed, the observer status is withdrawn from this country which is committing genocide in Palestine, Israel was not invited to this summit” ~ AZALI Assoumani President of the African Union, February 2024
Recalling that this genocidal entity had attempted a forced “intrusion” in 2023, during the previous African summit, but its delegation had been chased from the headquarters of the African Union.
As a South African the concept of a two state solution is ridiculous. If the minority government had done that here it would have kept control of the military and the economic hubs.
It would have looked essentially the same as what existed. The fact that democracies even consider this is undermine the concept of democracy
What Mouin Rabbani is saying here is so rational and sensible and moral that, at first, it gives me a sense of hope and comfort. But then the walls come crashing in because I don't see any actual movement toward any kind of peaceful or just resolution. I see Israel continuing the genocide and the US setting up a port, in my opinion, for the purpose of supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by emigration of the surviving population to other countries. Isn't that what is really happening while we entertain hopeful solutions?
It is, but we feel a bit better with hope.
From Quebec. I really appreciate Mouin. De Québec,Gaspésie. J’apprécie beaucoup Mouin.
It would be nice to have Professor Rabbani back on the show
I love the way Mr. Rabbani speaks.
Both need to be a single secular state. No religious punitive-state authoritarianism: Neither Jewish nor Muslim.
One person, one vote.
Just "voting" is NEVER enough - just look at the Plutocracy/Kleptocracy here in the "United" States.
Yeah cause secular states and countries are doing so well. Democracy is amazing isn't it. Please.
@@aishaarshadalam3412 Secular states are 1000x less authoritarian than religious states. You know that’s true.
Don’t mislead others here.
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k Hmm, one can wonder which is worse to be living in: a "religious" state like Saudi Arabia that doesn't pretend to be a "democracy" or a hypocritical country like the USA which is run on a small group's notion of "Christian principles" enshrined in laws - like those against Abortion, etc.
As for 1000x times less authoritarian, that's simply NOT TRUE. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, China and the U.S. are EQUALLY as authoritarian.
Oh islamic states work fantastic, right? People marrying their cousins which leads to a low IQ, mass violence against women, brutal punishments etc@@aishaarshadalam3412
Will a 2-state solution get rid of Apartheid? 1968 borders. How about 1948 borders.
Still problematic without and potential right to return, or at least reparations for the Nakba-displaced Palestinians.
Quick answer - absolutely not.
Even using the 1948 borders would leave 20% of Israeli citizens as 3rd class citizens with few Rights and they would still be suffering under Israel's anti-Arab system of Jim Crow.
Even using the UN Plan, Palestine would doubtless be denuded of resources and end up a set of scattered Bantustan-like blobs in the middle of "Greater Zion".
@@chetdudeweb707 What border year would you like to go back to?
@@artsahobby123 That's not up to me. I'd prefer the 14+ million people there become enlightened and create the first truly Democratic "State" on Earth with full Rights for every person living there. (It's fer-damn-sure we don't have that HERE).
Alas, they don't have any real models to work from although, as I've suggested, Northern Ireland and South African partial reconciliations in the recent past tells us that even violently divided groups can move from armed conflict and oppression to achieving a degree of domestic Peace.
It is a dream, there is no solution without given what it was taken!
Tank Vs 6 yr old girl ...
At the independence of Algeria 1 million settlers left overnight back to France, so not to live under an Algerian independent state. So I agree with Mr Rabbani it is possible and a matter of political will.
Things are different in the West Bank. Quite a relevant part of the population are filled with messianic fervour that they’re fulfilling God’s promise. Getting them to leave or have equal rights with Palestinians will result in a lot of violence, I’m afraid, it might even end up in civil war..
No state has the right to exist...not Yugoslavia, not the Kingdom of Sikkim, and not the Republic of Kosova.
The Israeli propaganda and talking point can't hold water.
Short answer… they do not.
Mouin Rabbani I am so proud that you are from the Netherlands. I did not know this. You are so wise and you have so much knowledge
One state and name New Palestine, free palestine
Kudos for your clarity Mr. Rabbani!
Very well put.
The answer is no. One state. Palestine.
If israelis want to live in peace and safety they have to project their future in a way that they don't need to depend on the USA, the UK or the EU. Today Israel owns its existence to these three partners and is very dependant on them, especially the USA.
On the other hand, the three partners owe their success to liberal democracy, which is in decline and threatening a shut down. If democracy sinks in the USA, its source of power, the dollar, sinks along. And without it's major source of power, the American empire will start to end, bringing its partners along, since they're all interdependent.
Where else would Israel find such generous and complicit partners to ensure it's security and survival?
The colonists should return home, and the indigenous people allowed to govern themselves...what else?
This is the real world, dont be childish.
Absolutely agree with this gentleman. Straight on point.
Good question. No.
Appreciate the content you’re putting out!keep going
Great take. States have no inherent right to exist. People have a right to exist.
I don’t think that France and Algeria is a good example of a two-state solution as they are on two different continents with completely different cultures prior to the French annexing Algeria. A better example is Cyprus: Greek speaking and Turkish speaking people live separately on the island of Cyprus with an uneasy peace between the two “nations”.
I like the way he talks.
A state that does not recognize UN laws has lost all rights
Thank you Katie for having Palestinian analyst Mouin Rabbani on your show.
Thanks!
As always, thank you thank you for bringing these questions to your audience - that’s us - your fellow citizens! As well as everyone else around the world.
And the quality of your guests and your conversation with them is outstanding! It’s so good.
Thank you.
This talk about the future of the place is becoming more urgent. Because events in the ground can change at a faster rate than we can imagine. As Mr. Rabani explained in the case of Algeria.
For a better future and manageable transition we need intelligent and wise people Jews, Palestinians, Americans, and Europeans to start forming a vision on the transition and of the stages for final status.
Wow. Excellent analysis by Dr. Rabbani
That is how the tail wags the dog.
The relationship between (Is Real) and the U.S. is one of (Para Site) and host. No matter how outrageously cruel (Is Real) continues to get Billions in aid.
It is unimaginable that in the future Israel can continue existing as an Apartheid settler colonial state. It is also unimaginable that Israeli society is capable of being anything else but Apartheid settler colonial state.
PALESTINE. As one state alone by its historical name as an ancient land from B.C. to A.D. That is it's name forever. One land for Arabs, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and secular all democratically recognized as the State of Palestine.
Mouin is incredible. When he speaks, there is a transfer of a LOT of information. He’s highly coherent.
Most people here are dreaming, Israel was (from 48), is and will be where it is now. If the Palestinians want to seat and talk it´s fine, let´s see what happen. But using force and violence this will happen again and again en the coming years. The Palestinians have the ball on the courtyard and have to decide what´s best for them.
There is no other way to end this situation but to dezionize israel and establish a one secular democratic state with equality for all citizens regardless of religion. Two states is dead a while ago , it is not even practical, and even if it is doable.' it would never solve the problem for many reasons, and the only people who understand this issue are the refugees who were kicked out of their homes, land, and country. We who live nicely in Europe or North America can never feel or appreciate the meaning (as Palestinians) of being irradiated by violence from where you and your family were living for centuries or even thousands of years. If the world really wants to finish this tragedy once and for all, the only practical solution is the One- State secular democratic with equality of rights and obligations for Palestinians Christians and Muslims and jews . No one on earth can dismantle the israeli settlements with almost a million fanatic settlers , and no one on earth can convince those almost seven million Palestinian refugees to abandon their dream of being able to go back to their ancestral villages, towns, and cities which are now part of israel.
Thanks Katie, I totally agree with Rabani's reasoning.
As Miko Peled said, there is no virtue in a 2 state solution
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reminds me of The war between greeks and turks in cyprus .
I totally agree with this man
No !
2:08 yes, but was Algeria decimated and obliterated the way that Gaza has been? Gideon Levy says Israel has to be stopped from the outside because they will never do it themselves. Even 8 years ago he said that they were ‘addicted to occupation. czcams.com/video/DGO3eBxQX7Q/video.htmlsi=g2IQzHXfFyqFjm7X
Tick tock Israel time is running out for 2 states.
One state right to return.
One state... Palistine
It would be best to call the one state something OTHER than "Israel", "Greater Zion" or "Palestine".
Good question, at this point. I don’t know if Israel will ever be humbled to admit their clear, obvious crimes.. Or “allow” international law to matter.
A good man..
An interesting question from the Arab side. Implication: It is Israel that does not deserve a two-state solution. So why is Israel criticized for rejecting a two-state solution to benefit the Palestinians?
You're absolutely wrong, Mr. Rabbani. A two-step solution in any form would validate the atrocities committed by Israel and reward them for war crimes. That sets an extremely dangerous precedent for other violent and aggressive occupations and annexations that have yet to be realized.
One state solution is a terrible idea. Both sides have armed, violent, extremist wings that want full territorial control. These groups are not trying to share political power.
Even if most Israelis/Palestinians could coexist in a one party state, I have no faith that a violent minority wouldn't cause a greater catastrophe. It's better to keep the two groups separate, with their own spheres of influence and sense of control.
A one state equal rights for all ethnic groups and religions , one person one vote is ideal . But like Dr.Finkelstein I just don't think its possible for generations, perhaps way off into the distant future yes . I do staunchly support the back to the pre Egypt, Syria, Jordan vs Israel war 1967 borders , but i think this will have to be incremental . The only government that can hasten the 2 state pre 1967 war borders is the US . but don't hold your breath .
Are they by any chance now regretting that they did and inadvertantly allowed this to happen !?
Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤
Agree, bigly.
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Start with a two state solution. Allow future generations to decide if they wish to merge into a single state.
How will two state work… who is going to Man the borders for Palestine…
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Israel as a nuclear power makes political settlement beyond oligarchs making deals for the free flow of capital very difficult/impossible. The relinquishing of Israels nuclear arsenal, and allowing multinational observers in, rather than an arms race in southeast asia is the only way to ensure long term peace and stability, as, to be frank, I dont know how after the genocide there could ever be a one state solution while this generation still lives. I think a one state solution could be a reality 50 years from now, but Palestinians having autonomy now instead of some far off vision of the future is most important. And a return to 67 borders is quite simply a non-negotiable reality if Israel wants any semblance of peace, which I'm not sure they do. The time to fight fascism is before it takes root in the population, because once it does, well, we only need look as far as Gaza to see what happens.
Mouin Rabbani, the reason why whatsapp invented the x2 voice note option
I use that for most shows but never when Mouin speaks. His measured nuanced clarity, profound intelligence and beautiful enunciation needs to be fully savoured
Neither a one state nor a 2-state solution will be viable until both sides recognize the others right to exist.
Furthermore, Israel has to accept responsibility for what it's done since 1948.
Gaza destroyed what ever possibilities of a two state solution on the 7th.
No
"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything" - Albert Einstein
"Should we be unable to find a way to honest co-operation and honest pacts with the Arabs then we have learnt absolutely nothing from our 2,000 years of suffering and will deserve our fate" - Albert Einstein
We must ask the Palestinian ambassador, South Africa Andrew Feinstein and Norman, before deciding the fate of the people. Barb
I think the mental state of the settlers is a huge issue, you find a solution for the settlers because they’re very violent
2 state solution is better than the so called 1 state solution.
No , they wont be good neighbors. They need to leave . There is no way od trust the snaked next door
What’s the answer?
1 democratic state... Right of return of all Palestinians.. Then elections..
"without forcing anyone to leave"
I agree with this for every single person in Palestine - except for first generation Settlers. They need to go home.
Sorry, not 1967 boundaries; 1947 boundaries.
I don't believe a 2 state solution is possible at this point only a one just State where Palestinians and Jews and Christians are equal citizens in one land
That is like a asking r@pe victim marrying his r@pist.
For the majority Israelis Palestinians are subhumans, animals have more rights in Israel than Palestinians have.
All countries are colonial projects, all came about in the same way or similar ways the majority of the time. If Israel has no right to exist nor Palestine as a state.
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It deserve s a court