I like the Cigs and the MTIs and I have a Velocity that runs mid 90s but Ive been looking for more of an offshore boat and I think that Mystic needs a look...!
That's a very tough question to answer if someone is a all boats fanatic like me. It would have to depend on the boat category. That question is like sitting with a group of your tightest friends and asking, who is your favorite friend.....seriously. I like everything between a kayak to a 65' Viking.
First thing my next Go Fast has to have a Cuddy Cabin with a Generator for heat and air conditioning a stand up head with shower and i know exactly what I'm buying a 60 ft. Midnight Express and all that I just listed comes standard all that's left for me to do is pick what kind of power I want, standard boat is 1 million????.
EXCELLENT video! You're living proof that OUTSTANDING videos covering all the right points never need to be more than a few minutes long. Moreover, you're 360 views of the Mystic towards the end gave me the information I needed for one of my novels. THANK YOU for being so wonderfully thorough while maintaining brevity. :)
Good video. Next time try mentioning the 350,000.00 price tag on these Big boy Toys. That scares all working class boaters away. Because you have to get way older performance boats to even get in the game.
Mom said she wants the same thing but more like a pontoon boat and the kids want a slide , a snoopy snowcone machine , a video game console , a grill for smores , a potty , a sink , a place to put the tube , a big bench backseat , a swimdeck big enough for the wave runner , an electric trolling motor , rod holders , a built in aireated livewell , a cabin with an aft cabin , air conditioning , satalite television , a radar arch /wakeboard tower , a whole bunch of cup holders and a big picture of Mickey Mouse out on the front deck .
Thanks for the look at a fresh concept. I also agree that being able to take more friends along for the ride is driving center console sales. Manufacturers should try this innovative concept on a wide v bottom platform as well. You have a great point about outboards being more reliable and controlling costs and down time. As far as entry level, I think a 32 ft cat or v bottom might be a runaway best seller with this concept.
they dude need to bring comfort in and get the price near 100k. but 1 seat in the back isnt gona do it do something with the 15 ft of wasted front space
Someone here mentioned DCB yes they are very nice but they also sit low in the water, they were made for Lake Havasu most of the time it's smooth as glass and that's how they get there boat's upwards of 150 mph. But you will never see a DCB running on the ocean unless it's smooth as glass.
There is one now on the East Coast that does all the Poker Runs. A DCB M37R. I also have one coming in the next few months. Lake Havasu is our backyard. They don't sit that low to the water like the Eliminators. The DCBS are something else!
They need to move the steering linkage to the front side, through or under that little deck piece. Dont want to worry about someone using that as a handle
A rear ejection seat is going to save “go fast” boats? Maybe. People are not suppose to be walking around boats going 115mph. People that want a toilet to be the center piece of their boat ( also known as center console) and want to go 115mph should be given a few and see how they like them. #1. Nobody will insure them for bodily injury. If you stand up on anything going 115mph you get blown off. #2. At a 115mph that cute sun roof becomes what is known in the world of outlaws car racing a “wing”. The car racers turn it up side down to keep the car on the ground. To put one on a boat would require an F115 fighter jet control system (fully autonomous from pilot inputs) to keep the boat from flying, in a bad way or submarining (never good unless the whole boat is on fire or full of drunk in-laws). So you see it’s the Beverly Hillbillies (center toilets) meets Formula 1 racing. They can be mixed but all its good for is salad dressing. This effort to make center consoles go fast is going to get somebody hurt real bad, just like 13 year old kids on jet skis with 150HP. The effort to make go fast boats more comfortable is impossible. Your 94 year old grandmother will never be comfortable at 115mph in an open cockpit Skater, without a toilet, unless she use to transport P51 Mustangs from the factory to the air force field and did a few out side loops just to make sure everything was working correctly.
it's nice, nice and open. I think having a step down into a laying area in the bow of the boat, maybe a couple port and starboard Windows for some light. using that extra space would be a good selling point.
There’s just the tiny problem that it is still a one trick pony and doesn’t have any sleeping accomodations. Which just makes it a worse deal than some 40 foot yacht that is slower but can do a lot more things.
I do like that layout. Adding some clear swing away doors at the stern would be nice. Having a big open hole right out the back seems dangerous and makes those rear seats unusable when underway.
Just found your channel, Really digg'n it man. I'm a vintage jet boat guy now, but looking at moving to TX or FL and want to get into the bigger off shore stuff, and info like this is invaluable to me. This boat just made my short list.
Tunnel too shallow for North. It will however own the gulf based regattas. Our local rules will say that the open layout must be restricted to 95 mph D class. That puts it to run against Energiza, Bachanal and Rush. All of which will mock the shallow tunnel cat's need to back off in the 4-12 ft seas on the North. Hell, even Hero V's 28 Mannerfelt Design can kick that shallow tunnel's a$$. Tell Mystic return to the drawing board.
I think maybe in Miami the traditional offshore performance boat may have been forgotten but why? The 42 the 47 and the 38 fountain lighting double step staggered set up is extremely fast with the safety of a deep V. These Cats are blowing over at an alarming rate and killing all onboard. I started with a 30 foot Baja with factory big blocks ( Baja is not a hull designed to go fast). Then moved into a formula 36 SR1(TANK!! But slow) then to a 38 scarab AVS double step with Merlin 540’s and M5 pro chargers. First dyno pull was 1268 had to do a pulley change to get down to a thousand HP because the drives I put on were IMCO SC on Ext. Boxes but those just were not big enough. Blew up 5 gear sets. With a side by side set up it ran 111. Realistically it needed a complete staggered and surface drive set up and 125-130 would be attainable. I don’t care what these cats come up with technology wise they are still dangerous as hell. I’ll take a 47 fountain double step with staggered 1350’s any day and drive around those 38’s and 40 foot cats in any water with a 2-6ft chop. I think the look of the cats is what draws people. And the 47 is like a condo up front. AC AND A GEN SET. My bud had a 42 that was yellow with purple trim that ran 140 yes 140. I witnessed it several times. You may have seen it at LOTO in years past The rite hull deep V will be around forever because out in the salty water they are so dominant. Just my 2cents. #DEEPVFORLIFE
Wow. So you can be happy sinking 200+gallons per hour????? Cats will still outrun your fountain with more range. A 46 Skater, 50 Victory or MTI will eat the rough better than any fountain ever has or could. Yes the initial price is higher and that's to be expected. Cats still rule. Canoes with pads and may be better than the log they updated. However stepped and padded canoes will always need more fuel and power to compete with a well designed cat. If you wanna spend more at the pump then that's on you and your accountant.
@@candidamulrain4573 I think the point was and is that how many deaths from a blow over in a skater in the last 10 years? How many on a MTI? Etc. Then research how many deaths from a blow over in a deep V? There are different types of rough fresh or salt water that each runs better in. I have owned a couple 110+ mph boats and the Cat hull will not dominate a deep V in any water. For the 200 extra in fuel that’s false, they both run the same motor and drive combos normally. If you are speaking of center console with outboards they aren’t even in the same county when it comes to speed and performance. I don’t care how many outboards you hang off the back. It’s a dirty secret in the go fast boat world that no one talks about, cat hull can kill you and it will with just a minor mistake at the helm. They have killed a bunch of pro captains.
@@justinbriggs8275 Blowovers only occur when a cat/tunnel exceeds it's design speed. The speed at which the tunnel generates more lift than the boat's weight. That speed varies by tunnel depth, trim angle and wind direction and speed. Note a tunnel crossing a rooster tail reduces that speed by reducing tunnel height and increasing dynamic lift. Blowovers are therefore more likely during races when trim may not match a headwind or speed exceeds design limits. A simple way to prevent blowovers would be to add weight to compensate for added lift at higher speeds or when gusting is expected in the weather forecast. What you haven't spoken to is that these incidents with well designed offshore cats like the 46 are rare to begin with and are typical racing incidents. Flips, trips, barrel rolls, stuffs and spinouts in deep vees have also created a mandate for safe canopies. Does that mean Vees are unsafe? To be clear a Cat is safe when used within its design limits. It is never wise to overpower or reduce the weight the hull was designed for and then blame the boat. However a cat with a design limit of 150 can run safely at 120 in normal conditions. All seafarers know that there is a sea for every ship. If conditions are poor, backing down is the sane choice. A 46 Skater can cruise at 80 in 4-6 foot seas without any worries with a any decent helmsman. I assume you can drive safely so you should never fear a cat. Lastly the cat by packing air reduces hydrodynamic drag and since the aerodynamic drag it creates is less than the hydrodynamic. It becomes obvious that any vee of equal weight will use more fuel. So the cat remains more efficient. With the narrow sponsons, the cat will slice through chop easier. With the air packed tunnel it will have softer landings after going airborne. To close you can praise the vee for being cheaper but it rolls more and cannot keep up with a cat of equal length and power. However if it was a short drag race from a standing start, the vee has less weight for power so advantage Vee. In bad conditions a cat may need to slow below its minimum airspeed for lift and will slam the tunnel more. A vee can win there. Under ordinary circumstances however a long crossing a cat will be faster, more comfortable and burn less fuel. Cats have more possible innovations and improvements possible, can add more creature comforts and will continue to grow in popularity,
@@candidamulrain4573 the engine builder from LOTO ???? Dam can’t remember his name. He was one of the first to start using turbos instead of non efficient blowers. He died in a blow over at the Cumberland poker run. He went to pass and hit the wake boat in front of him to close to the boat which created the blow over. There have been many I mean many blow overs resulting in death in the “super cat” world. I. Any think of one in a deep V. Forgive me but you are extremely bias to the cat hull and your comments seem very knowledgeable and professional but IMO they aren’t accurate at all. I can name 20+ professional drivers that have died from blow overs in the last 10-15 years. And now the rookie weekend warrior with some money can go buy a 150mph cat rite out of the factory. I can’t imagine the undocumented deaths from that world of go fast boating. When can you remember even 1 pro being killed in a V? I have owned these boats. I would never put myself or my family on a 150 mph cat. The chances of a blow over is to great. If you don’t like big V boats or you think they are for old People that’s cool with me but to blatantly argue with the our facts of deaths in cat to deaths in V is crazy. And to even think about comparing gallons per hour or efficiency is our ludicrous because I can’t think of one guy I know that has bought a 150k to 1mill go fast and said to himself “ I think I’ll take this one because instead of spending 5000 a weekend i could spend 4300!” Not a factor. Go search 47 lighting with merc 1350’s in here. Boats in Sweden and has go pro stuff in the ocean at 100+ that would brake your cat hull into pieces. Hard to argue with facts. Enjoy the water!!
I think you’re right bro. Maybe throwing in a cabin? Right now my favorite company is Front Runner for center consoles and DCB for cats and Speed Boats.
Definately a unit, the proportions are appealing, but underpowered for the size & price point. Although the cocpit layout 2+2 has an innovative design, I find the rear seat not accomodating enough as it stands alone center/rear with little to no way to hold on under rough conditions when the boat launches. Till now you jammed yourself in a bolster & are less stressed or subject to being bu c ked overboard & accidents still happen. On the other hand, " If your not living on the edge your just taking up space" ✌
Boat styles and designs come and go. One reason center console boats are popular is the usable deck space they have and their adaptability for multiplayer uses. And they can often run almost if not just as fast as a speedboat. The speedboat style is just flat out not as adaptable nor space efficient. A big motor corvette may be sexy and fun, but for the same price, your going to sell a whole harbor full more of crew cab Silverado 4x4 pickups with the same size high performance motor. It just where the market and money is flowing.
not sure Mystic is the one leading the way, Howard, DCB and Eliminator have been making sport cat/open bow cat/cat-sportdeck w/ outboards whtever you want to call them for a few years. adding rear seat doesnt really compete w/ the center consoles like open bow does imo.
Opening up the main cockpit is a major step in the right direction. Most buyers, looking for a fast boat (such as these $250k - $1M boats) still want it to be fast. These boats will be faster than most open bows and center-consoles (cleaner profile with less drag) while still having more utility and flexibility than the old small-cockpit speedboats.
Open bows in offshore isn't safe for a go fast. Most center consoles stay below 100mph. An open bow cat is doable. However for offshore the tunnel height needs to Increase significantly. Add more tunnel depth and sponson width. The added sponson width will offer room for berths and porta potty. On another note, entry level is where the real sales are. a 22-26 cat on a deeper tunnel with wider sponsons will outsell this sales floor cobweb and dust bunny catcher.
Now back to the video we all just watched, that mystic without a cuddy cabin and the way it was set up I'm thinking 5 to 7 hundred thousand dollars. That's why I'm never buying a new boat, there are plenty of Cat's and deep views out there that are already fully loaded too my liking. But for reasons out of my control I can't buy a boat til I turn 68 years old and I'm only 59 do the math lol
Great vid! Good insight, and a pleasure to watch. Thank you.... You actually got me interested in the Mystic. In contrast, my other fav is a Silent 55! Very different, but I love both for their capabilities and different lifestyles. Keep up the good vids!
In flatwater that open bow and extra folks seated forward is fine. However add chop and strong offshore swells to standing waves and beam seas and the ability to take weather may be the reason you buy a closed bow. Structurally the closed bow is also stronger in meeting waves. More people forward also makes it harder to keep the bow above the cresting waves. So enjoy the ponds and lagoons with an open bow, but get a closed bow if you want triple digits on the ocean.
Center Console 4 life. they are like the crew cab pickup truck of the boat world. Perfect for fishing or any offshore activity. but mostly fishing. who wants a boat with such a tiny cockpit and no livewell? ppft.
Boating is going to evolve with the economy . Boating technology will evolve with demand. Pontoon/Tritoon boats come to mind if you've checked out the high-end models of late. I'm waiting to see the next Gen sport cats with Tesla 800hp+ E-motors , infused with evolving technology and safety.....
What will evolve speedboats to a bigger audience is lower the d*** price lol The average boater doesn't have $300,000+ For a big speed boat. These boats are for millionaires like Bugatti or McLaren. They always be for a certain audience. A rich audience lol
@@mindspinn311 yep! Hell most of them are higher then super cars. Hell look up the m44 from dcb. The motor alone is 200k amd it has 2 lmao. The whole package is like 6 or 700k. 1 engine cost more then my house and where I live I can only use that boat from May until mid September at best lol. I would buy a Lamborghini before I'd buy that and I really love boating if that says anything. Go fast boats are cool but there out of reach for most of the world
BS, the main issue with the new speed boats is price. $300k-$900k for a speed boat is ridiculous. That’s why the tried and true 1990’s-2000’s classic vee bottoms will always be here. I don’t care how many times I have to rebuild my motor or drive, redo a interior, fuel consumption, etc. it will never get close to the price of one of these boats.
Definitely a boat a dermatologist will appreciate with Zero shade. No head. Dangerous tie rod right in the way of swimmers.No rub rail. 18’ of wasted bow space. Not my idea of a family boat.
"18’ of wasted bow space" too true, 1/2 the boat is unuseable. I think they need to more more towards express cruiser or deck boat. Either way or both. The Mrs won't go out on one unless it has a toilet. She just doesn't like hanging her arse over the side.
@@adrianjudd5327 Open bows in offshore isn't safe for a go fast. Most center consoles stay below 100mph. An open bow cat is doable but unsafe in a stuff. Can only work for offshore if the tunnel height is increased significantly. Add more tunnel depth and sponson width. The added sponson width will offer room for berths and porta potty. On another note, entry level is where the real sales are. a 22-26 cat on a deeper tunnel with wider sponsons will outsell this sales floor cobweb and dust bunny catcher.
@@video-en-direct No chance on the electric only for a high powered go fast boat. The motor isn’t the issue, it’s the battery capacity. Quick math on getting the same range as a 200 hp outboard with 75 gallons of gas.... would take five Tesla P100 batteries with a total battery weight of 7000 lbs. To get any range out of 900 hp of electric motors? Lol no chance.
That's a good way to get rid of the wife just nail the throttle and say she was back there a minute ago LOL😅 center console offer more user friendly options fishing, cabins,cruising.speed boat only does one thing speed cool idea but not enough to save them
Awesome boat, but mid 6 figure boats don't bring anybody or anything back into popularity, they never were popular with such a small sample size. Who can afford a 38' tunnel/cat, less than 1% of Americans?
@@blainesnider9089 exactly, if you want amenities buy a sexxy sunseeker, azimut, or sea ray etc. That would probly be the type rides that would suit your needs
@@philmapockitz8216 um no I live in CA and go to the desert and to the ocean fountains with triples and gens work well. And run in the mid 90s come on dude.
Define your definition of “ speed boat “ ?? My Midnight Express 37 open runs 80 mph and they’re far from unpopular or need saving and that’s just one of many high speed models. Where do you live and who told you “ speed boats “ are unpopular. FYI only land lovers call them “ speed boats “, that’s not a term a boater would ever use.
Those egg beaters hung off the back just don't have the same appeal as big inboard power they look low budget sound terrible and just don't have the individuality that the big cats had in there hay-day, between 2000 and 2010 offshore boats were evolving on an unprecedented scale now things have gone back over unless you what the same look center console/cat with outboards just painted a different color. Weres all the flair and flamboyance went bring back the blowers, turbos, and turbines!
The age group of people buying these boats are buying a boat that will drop in value the second it rolls off the lot. they are disposable crap for the go fast party people the sand bar kids
This is a joke right ? You can't make this boat into something it's not, and never will be, by adding a gimmick seat. A performance cat is closed bow boat and low profile, end of story. Keep it real.
Going to need a Bimini, or some sort of hard top for rain squalls and or sun shade. Nothing beats hitting wave tops at speed in a boat designed to do just that.
With that mindset buy a pontoon boat. On a performance boat a top would equal a chute on a 1/4 mile car, aesthetically like throwing frogg togg foul weather gear over a bikini clad honey...if you can't fair the outdoors...stay home.
What's your favorite Boat Company?
I like the Cigs and the MTIs and I have a Velocity that runs mid 90s but Ive been looking for more of an offshore boat and I think that Mystic needs a look...!
Lamborghini
That's a very tough question to answer if someone is a all boats fanatic like me. It would have to depend on the boat category. That question is like sitting with a group of your tightest friends and asking, who is your favorite friend.....seriously. I like everything between a kayak to a 65' Viking.
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First thing my next Go Fast has to have a Cuddy Cabin with a Generator for heat and air conditioning a stand up head with shower and i know exactly what I'm buying a 60 ft. Midnight Express and all that I just listed comes standard all that's left for me to do is pick what kind of power I want, standard boat is 1 million????.
EXCELLENT video! You're living proof that OUTSTANDING videos covering all the right points never need to be more than a few minutes long.
Moreover, you're 360 views of the Mystic towards the end gave me the information I needed for one of my novels. THANK YOU for being so wonderfully thorough while maintaining brevity. :)
Good video. Next time try mentioning the 350,000.00 price tag on these Big boy Toys. That scares all working class boaters away. Because you have to get way older performance boats to even get in the game.
Yesh this dude got me excited as livestock trucker that I could afford one lol NOPE!
Prices are out of control,in all styles of boats,,entry level performance is 60k then the sky is the limit from there..
Go for an Allison. 😎
This boat is way too expensive to not have sleeping quarters...
or a bathroom
Mom said she wants the same thing but more like a pontoon boat and the kids want a slide , a snoopy snowcone machine , a video game console , a grill for smores , a potty , a sink , a place to put the tube , a big bench backseat , a swimdeck big enough for the wave runner , an electric trolling motor , rod holders , a built in aireated livewell , a cabin with an aft cabin , air conditioning , satalite television , a radar arch /wakeboard tower , a whole bunch of cup holders and a big picture of Mickey Mouse out on the front deck .
Thanks for the look at a fresh concept. I also agree that being able to take more friends along for the ride is driving center console sales. Manufacturers should try this innovative concept on a wide v bottom platform as well. You have a great point about outboards being more reliable and controlling costs and down time. As far as entry level, I think a 32 ft cat or v bottom might be a runaway best seller with this concept.
We did it ten years ago! Performance and ergonomics, room and design. No other boat in the world offer what we offer!
they dude need to bring comfort in and get the price near 100k. but 1 seat in the back isnt gona do it do something with the 15 ft of wasted front space
I can agree but i think they have it closed for a reason (aerodynamic and maybe strenght or something)
Those motors alone are more than 100k for the pair.
@@myvalium1 More. 55k each without rigging.
Someone here mentioned DCB yes they are very nice but they also sit low in the water, they were made for Lake Havasu most of the time it's smooth as glass and that's how they get there boat's upwards of 150 mph. But you will never see a DCB running on the ocean unless it's smooth as glass.
There is one now on the East Coast that does all the Poker Runs. A DCB M37R. I also have one coming in the next few months. Lake Havasu is our backyard. They don't sit that low to the water like the Eliminators. The DCBS are something else!
Me: "I want a Ferrarri, 6 seater, and a boat."
Salesperson: "Step this way sir."
They need to move the steering linkage to the front side, through or under that little deck piece. Dont want to worry about someone using that as a handle
it shd be made of 2 inch heavy wall tubing for security and statement, not that flimsy wire
How about strengthen it so it can do both?
A rear ejection seat is going to save “go fast” boats? Maybe. People are not suppose to be walking around boats going 115mph. People that want a toilet to be the center piece of their boat ( also known as center console) and want to go 115mph should be given a few and see how they like them. #1. Nobody will insure them for bodily injury. If you stand up on anything going 115mph you get blown off. #2. At a 115mph that cute sun roof becomes what is known in the world of outlaws car racing a “wing”. The car racers turn it up side down to keep the car on the ground. To put one on a boat would require an F115 fighter jet control system (fully autonomous from pilot inputs) to keep the boat from flying, in a bad way or submarining (never good unless the whole boat is on fire or full of drunk in-laws). So you see it’s the Beverly Hillbillies (center toilets) meets Formula 1 racing. They can be mixed but all its good for is salad dressing. This effort to make center consoles go fast is going to get somebody hurt real bad, just like 13 year old kids on jet skis with 150HP. The effort to make go fast boats more comfortable is impossible. Your 94 year old grandmother will never be comfortable at 115mph in an open cockpit Skater, without a toilet, unless she use to transport P51 Mustangs from the factory to the air force field and did a few out side loops just to make sure everything was working correctly.
You can buy a small plane for the price of one of these and save money on initial cost, upkeep, and storage.. So still not for the island hopper!
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it's nice, nice and open. I think having a step down into a laying area in the bow of the boat, maybe a couple port and starboard Windows for some light. using that extra space would be a good selling point.
If I had the money and wanted an outboard boat from 40-45' it would be the new 44' 4 o/b Donzi. Fantastic new cockpit and 120mph+.
I think that’s a good prediction, I agree with it now that you point it out
There’s just the tiny problem that it is still a one trick pony and doesn’t have any sleeping accomodations.
Which just makes it a worse deal than some 40 foot yacht that is slower but can do a lot more things.
I do like that layout. Adding some clear swing away doors at the stern would be nice. Having a big open hole right out the back seems dangerous and makes those rear seats unusable when underway.
I just found your channel! I’m a fan 🔥
So true boats are for water sports and fun. Not many like to go on a hot boat and not be able to get in the water no doubt!!!
Just found your channel, Really digg'n it man. I'm a vintage jet boat guy now, but looking at moving to TX or FL and want to get into the bigger off shore stuff, and info like this is invaluable to me. This boat just made my short list.
I'm happy for you. I certainly couldn't afford a $360k boat that doesn't even have sleeping quarters or a head.
What an awesome video. Instant fan. Thank you brother. From Malaysia.
100% Agree on this one. This design was the only reason the wife agreed and signed onto the new order👍🏻
Thanks for feeding this channel with more videos you give us a lot of facts and entertainment 👍
bring it to the Trinidad and Tobago power boat annual Great race for a test, lets see if it could pass the test..
Tunnel too shallow for North. It will however own the gulf based regattas.
Our local rules will say that the open layout must be restricted to 95 mph D class. That puts it to run against Energiza, Bachanal and Rush.
All of which will mock the shallow tunnel cat's need to back off in the 4-12 ft seas on the North. Hell, even Hero V's 28 Mannerfelt Design can kick that shallow tunnel's a$$.
Tell Mystic return to the drawing board.
Appreciate the short format of your videos
Luv ya Al.... take drink each time he says, “Guys”!
I think maybe in Miami the traditional offshore performance boat may have been forgotten but why? The 42 the 47 and the 38 fountain lighting double step staggered set up is extremely fast with the safety of a deep V. These Cats are blowing over at an alarming rate and killing all onboard. I started with a 30 foot Baja with factory big blocks ( Baja is not a hull designed to go fast). Then moved into a formula 36 SR1(TANK!! But slow) then to a 38 scarab AVS double step with Merlin 540’s and M5 pro chargers. First dyno pull was 1268 had to do a pulley change to get down to a thousand HP because the drives I put on were IMCO SC on Ext. Boxes but those just were not big enough. Blew up 5 gear sets. With a side by side set up it ran 111. Realistically it needed a complete staggered and surface drive set up and 125-130 would be attainable. I don’t care what these cats come up with technology wise they are still dangerous as hell. I’ll take a 47 fountain double step with staggered 1350’s any day and drive around those 38’s and 40 foot cats in any water with a 2-6ft chop. I think the look of the cats is what draws people. And the 47 is like a condo up front. AC AND A GEN SET. My bud had a 42 that was yellow with purple trim that ran 140 yes 140. I witnessed it several times. You may have seen it at LOTO in years past The rite hull deep V will be around forever because out in the salty water they are so dominant. Just my 2cents. #DEEPVFORLIFE
Wow. So you can be happy sinking 200+gallons per hour?????
Cats will still outrun your fountain with more range. A 46 Skater, 50 Victory or MTI will eat the rough better than any fountain ever has or could.
Yes the initial price is higher and that's to be expected. Cats still rule. Canoes with pads and may be better than the log they updated. However stepped and padded canoes will always need more fuel and power to compete with a well designed cat.
If you wanna spend more at the pump then that's on you and your accountant.
@@candidamulrain4573 I think the point was and is that how many deaths from a blow over in a skater in the last 10 years? How many on a MTI? Etc. Then research how many deaths from a blow over in a deep V? There are different types of rough fresh or salt water that each runs better in. I have owned a couple 110+ mph boats and the Cat hull will not dominate a deep V in any water. For the 200 extra in fuel that’s false, they both run the same motor and drive combos normally. If you are speaking of center console with outboards they aren’t even in the same county when it comes to speed and performance. I don’t care how many outboards you hang off the back. It’s a dirty secret in the go fast boat world that no one talks about, cat hull can kill you and it will with just a minor mistake at the helm. They have killed a bunch of pro captains.
@@justinbriggs8275 Blowovers only occur when a cat/tunnel exceeds it's design speed. The speed at which the tunnel generates more lift than the boat's weight. That speed varies by tunnel depth, trim angle and wind direction and speed. Note a tunnel crossing a rooster tail reduces that speed by reducing tunnel height and increasing dynamic lift.
Blowovers are therefore more likely during races when trim may not match a headwind or speed exceeds design limits. A simple way to prevent blowovers would be to add weight to compensate for added lift at higher speeds or when gusting is expected in the weather forecast.
What you haven't spoken to is that these incidents with well designed offshore cats like the 46 are rare to begin with and are typical racing incidents. Flips, trips, barrel rolls, stuffs and spinouts in deep vees have also created a mandate for safe canopies. Does that mean Vees are unsafe?
To be clear a Cat is safe when used within its design limits. It is never wise to overpower or reduce the weight the hull was designed for and then blame the boat. However a cat with a design limit of 150 can run safely at 120 in normal conditions.
All seafarers know that there is a sea for every ship. If conditions are poor, backing down is the sane choice. A 46 Skater can cruise at 80 in 4-6 foot seas without any worries with a any decent helmsman. I assume you can drive safely so you should never fear a cat.
Lastly the cat by packing air reduces hydrodynamic drag and since the aerodynamic drag it creates is less than the hydrodynamic. It becomes obvious that any vee of equal weight will use more fuel. So the cat remains more efficient.
With the narrow sponsons, the cat will slice through chop easier. With the air packed tunnel it will have softer landings after going airborne.
To close you can praise the vee for being cheaper but it rolls more and cannot keep up with a cat of equal length and power. However if it was a short drag race from a standing start, the vee has less weight for power so advantage Vee. In bad conditions a cat may need to slow below its minimum airspeed for lift and will slam the tunnel more. A vee can win there. Under ordinary circumstances however a long crossing a cat will be faster, more comfortable and burn less fuel.
Cats have more possible innovations and improvements possible, can add more creature comforts and will continue to grow in popularity,
@@candidamulrain4573 the engine builder from LOTO ???? Dam can’t remember his name. He was one of the first to start using turbos instead of non efficient blowers. He died in a blow over at the Cumberland poker run. He went to pass and hit the wake boat in front of him to close to the boat which created the blow over. There have been many I mean many blow overs resulting in death in the “super cat” world. I. Any think of one in a deep V. Forgive me but you are extremely bias to the cat hull and your comments seem very knowledgeable and professional but IMO they aren’t accurate at all. I can name 20+ professional drivers that have died from blow overs in the last 10-15 years. And now the rookie weekend warrior with some money can go buy a 150mph cat rite out of the factory. I can’t imagine the undocumented deaths from that world of go fast boating. When can you remember even 1 pro being killed in a V? I have owned these boats. I would never put myself or my family on a 150 mph cat. The chances of a blow over is to great. If you don’t like big V boats or you think they are for old
People that’s cool with me but to blatantly argue with the our facts of deaths in cat to deaths in V is crazy. And to even think about comparing gallons per hour or efficiency is our ludicrous because I can’t think of one guy I know that has bought a 150k to 1mill go fast and said to himself “ I think I’ll take this one because instead of spending 5000 a weekend i could spend 4300!” Not a factor. Go search 47 lighting with merc 1350’s in here. Boats in Sweden and has go pro stuff in the ocean at 100+ that would brake your cat hull into pieces. Hard to argue with facts. Enjoy the water!!
🔥 🔥 love your videos. No doubt this is a beautiful boat
Cool. Now open the front.
& the only drawback is that it can only be done with clampons for power.
Very nice tho. Very nice.
Good vid.
I think you’re right bro. Maybe throwing in a cabin? Right now my favorite company is Front Runner for center consoles and DCB for cats and Speed Boats.
Great video, thanks for uploading! 👍
Do they come set up for a Bimini. Or would that be something custom aftermarket? I just can’t do constant ☀️ beating down on me all day.
Definately a unit, the proportions are appealing, but underpowered for the size & price point.
Although the cocpit layout 2+2 has an innovative design, I find the rear seat not accomodating enough as it stands alone center/rear with little to no way to hold on under rough conditions when the boat launches.
Till now you jammed yourself in a bolster & are less stressed or subject to being bu c ked overboard & accidents still happen.
On the other hand, " If your not living on the edge your just taking up space"
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Boat styles and designs come and go. One reason center console boats are popular is the usable deck space they have and their adaptability for multiplayer uses. And they can often run almost if not just as fast as a speedboat. The speedboat style is just flat out not as adaptable nor space efficient. A big motor corvette may be sexy and fun, but for the same price, your going to sell a whole harbor full more of crew cab Silverado 4x4 pickups with the same size high performance motor. It just where the market and money is flowing.
Great video, I see you were around the Jupiter Inlet, north of the inlet maybe?
interesting take on a speed cat.. sure opens up usability :-)
Nice job dude. Your opinions are great. Keep it up.
What's my favorite boat company top 5 Skater, DCB, Cigarette, Fountain, Play Craft.
That’s a sick boat.
not sure Mystic is the one leading the way, Howard, DCB and Eliminator have been making sport cat/open bow cat/cat-sportdeck w/ outboards whtever you want to call them for a few years. adding rear seat doesnt really compete w/ the center consoles like open bow does imo.
Opening up the main cockpit is a major step in the right direction. Most buyers, looking for a fast boat (such as these $250k - $1M boats) still want it to be fast. These boats will be faster than most open bows and center-consoles (cleaner profile with less drag) while still having more utility and flexibility than the old small-cockpit speedboats.
Open bows in offshore isn't safe for a go fast. Most center consoles stay below 100mph.
An open bow cat is doable. However for offshore the tunnel height needs to Increase significantly.
Add more tunnel depth and sponson width. The added sponson width will offer room for berths and porta potty.
On another note, entry level is where the real sales are. a 22-26 cat on a deeper tunnel with wider sponsons will outsell this sales floor cobweb and dust bunny catcher.
Melbourne Beach again 🌴 Wherever we go with our 27 Magnum Sport it receives mega attention. 🏄
Yes and Magnum has redone the 27 for O/Bs even.
Favorite boat company?
Art of Kinetik.
Hands down and by a wiiiiiide margin (next favorite is Riva).
Interesting speech and good video. Well done!
I love em’
The open is a huge security disadvantage man..
A closed transom doesn't exactly make it any more secure though...
what make is that cat center console yellow hull
Now back to the video we all just watched, that mystic without a cuddy cabin and the way it was set up I'm thinking 5 to 7 hundred thousand dollars. That's why I'm never buying a new boat, there are plenty of Cat's and deep views out there that are already fully loaded too my liking. But for reasons out of my control I can't buy a boat til I turn 68 years old and I'm only 59 do the math lol
No rod holders? I'll fittem ! And fit bait board and filleting board to engine covers
Whats the price for this amazing boat? 350k?
That white boat is sick!!
Yes!!
They make open bow catamarans too with more seating
Like the videos dog, just subbed because I can hear you’re from the 305!!!!!
Great vid! Good insight, and a pleasure to watch. Thank you....
You actually got me interested in the Mystic. In contrast, my other fav is a Silent 55! Very different, but I love both for their capabilities and different lifestyles.
Keep up the good vids!
I had a Eliminator but I really like this boat and the interior but I do like to go under deck
When did the outboard catamarans start hitting the market and getting more popular?
Open bow speed boats is what people want!!....open bow holds more people has useful space and makes dropping someone off at the dock way easier
In flatwater that open bow and extra folks seated forward is fine.
However add chop and strong offshore swells to standing waves and beam seas and the ability to take weather may be the reason you buy a closed bow.
Structurally the closed bow is also stronger in meeting waves. More people forward also makes it harder to keep the bow above the cresting waves.
So enjoy the ponds and lagoons with an open bow, but get a closed bow if you want triple digits on the ocean.
Center Console 4 life. they are like the crew cab pickup truck of the boat world. Perfect for fishing or any offshore activity. but mostly fishing. who wants a boat with such a tiny cockpit and no livewell? ppft.
I like this video , keep the good work
What killed large power boats was fuel cost. Good luck talking the wife into a boat that uses $300 of gas a day.
Great video brother! Couldn’t agree with you more! Keep up the great work 🚤💨👍
Now I agree with all of this!
I’d like to see a mono haul jet ski smoke this boat already will seat 3. Runs cheaper cost cheap and still run near the triple digits. 👍
Boating is going to evolve with the economy . Boating technology will evolve with demand. Pontoon/Tritoon boats come to mind if you've checked out the high-end models of late. I'm waiting to see the next Gen sport cats with Tesla 800hp+ E-motors , infused with evolving technology and safety.....
Then you hear the price and realize u can buy a used big liveaboard or a good wakesurf boat
Great vid. Nice work.
What will evolve speedboats to a bigger audience is lower the d*** price lol The average boater doesn't have $300,000+ For a big speed boat. These boats are for millionaires like Bugatti or McLaren. They always be for a certain audience. A rich audience lol
My thoughts exactly. Most boats are priced way out of what even well-off normal people can afford.
@@mindspinn311 yep! Hell most of them are higher then super cars. Hell look up the m44 from dcb. The motor alone is 200k amd it has 2 lmao. The whole package is like 6 or 700k. 1 engine cost more then my house and where I live I can only use that boat from May until mid September at best lol. I would buy a Lamborghini before I'd buy that and I really love boating if that says anything. Go fast boats are cool but there out of reach for most of the world
They’re definitely making a comeback
BS, the main issue with the new speed boats is price. $300k-$900k for a speed boat is ridiculous. That’s why the tried and true 1990’s-2000’s classic vee bottoms will always be here. I don’t care how many times I have to rebuild my motor or drive, redo a interior, fuel consumption, etc. it will never get close to the price of one of these boats.
I like it
Definitely a boat a dermatologist will appreciate with Zero shade. No head. Dangerous tie rod right in the way of swimmers.No rub rail. 18’ of wasted bow space. Not my idea of a family boat.
"18’ of wasted bow space" too true, 1/2 the boat is unuseable. I think they need to more more towards express cruiser or deck boat. Either way or both. The Mrs won't go out on one unless it has a toilet. She just doesn't like hanging her arse over the side.
@@adrianjudd5327 Open bows in offshore isn't safe for a go fast. Most center consoles stay below 100mph.
An open bow cat is doable but unsafe in a stuff. Can only work for offshore if the tunnel height is increased significantly.
Add more tunnel depth and sponson width. The added sponson width will offer room for berths and porta potty.
On another note, entry level is where the real sales are. a 22-26 cat on a deeper tunnel with wider sponsons will outsell this sales floor cobweb and dust bunny catcher.
Gogogo outboards 450 hp soon 500
Yep I agree 500 hp and then the 550.
@@JP-fe4ke maybe electric only soon?
@@video-en-direct No chance on the electric only for a high powered go fast boat. The motor isn’t the issue, it’s the battery capacity. Quick math on getting the same range as a 200 hp outboard with 75 gallons of gas.... would take five Tesla P100 batteries with a total battery weight of 7000 lbs. To get any range out of 900 hp of electric motors? Lol no chance.
Wouldn’t take anything for my Formula 311 sr-1 twin 502
AGREED... THE OLDER MODELS WHERE A 272 WAS ALOMOST A 29
Seems to me all that wasted Real estate on the Foredecks of these boats could be used for something as well.
That's a good way to get rid of the wife just nail the throttle and say she was back there a minute ago LOL😅 center console offer more user friendly options fishing, cabins,cruising.speed boat only does one thing speed cool idea but not enough to save them
Awesome boat, but mid 6 figure boats don't bring anybody or anything back into popularity, they never were popular with such a small sample size. Who can afford a 38' tunnel/cat, less than 1% of Americans?
how about actually doing research on sales, example prices etc
Let me politely disagree. But thanks for the entertaining video.
$650,000 for a used C4000 !!!! Cheaper to buy a used DCB or MTI at 44ft. with a faster hull, without the backwards pad!?
A good start but still no design, no luxury, no fashion, no charme!
You on to something big bro.
No sleeping arrangements? No thanks!
You can't stay the night on that
Sure you can...it'd be like camping.
@@philmapockitz8216 if it rains everything would be wet. Also some of the the older vees have generators and HVAC if they are big enough
@@blainesnider9089 exactly, if you want amenities buy a sexxy sunseeker, azimut, or sea ray etc.
That would probly be the type rides that would suit your needs
@@philmapockitz8216 um no I live in CA and go to the desert and to the ocean fountains with triples and gens work well. And run in the mid 90s come on dude.
All boats are too expensive because the rich are only getting richer. Regular people used to be able to afford nice boats, not so much anymore.
Define your definition of “ speed boat “ ?? My Midnight Express 37 open runs 80 mph and they’re far from unpopular or need saving and that’s just one of many high speed models. Where do you live and who told you “ speed boats “ are unpopular.
FYI only land lovers call them “ speed boats “, that’s not a term a boater would ever use.
Those egg beaters hung off the back just don't have the same appeal as big inboard power they look low budget sound terrible and just don't have the individuality that the big cats had in there hay-day, between 2000 and 2010 offshore boats were evolving on an unprecedented scale now things have gone back over unless you what the same look center console/cat with outboards just painted a different color. Weres all the flair and flamboyance went bring back the blowers, turbos, and turbines!
Agreed, especially in that price bracket...you wanna showcase the machinery & high end rigging that comes with the business end of high-performance.
Helm is on the wrong side.
I want a cigarette boat and Im not gonna stop till I get it I am going to rply to this when I get it
No outboards. Never.
I totally disagree
Disagree
how much cocaine can this boat import into the US in one run?
Totally gay vessel. I love it.
Naaaaa just let them go. Not good for much but to show off. Just let them go.
The age group of people buying these boats are buying a boat that will drop in value the second it rolls off the lot. they are disposable crap for the go fast party people the sand bar kids
This is a joke right ? You can't make this boat into something it's not, and never will be, by adding a gimmick seat. A performance cat is closed bow boat and low profile, end of story. Keep it real.
Ridiculous.
They are going no where lol i will never buy a centre console i dont go in my boat to have friends i go in my boat to go fast
Going to need a Bimini, or some sort of hard top for rain squalls and or sun shade. Nothing beats hitting wave tops at speed in a boat designed to do just that.
With that mindset buy a pontoon boat.
On a performance boat a top would equal a chute on a 1/4 mile car, aesthetically like throwing frogg togg foul weather gear over a bikini clad honey...if you can't fair the outdoors...stay home.