Musashi Did NOT Invent the Two-Katana Style | Dual Wielding of Asayama Ichiden Ryu
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I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for making it and many thanks to Seki Sensei. I have learned so much about fighting with two katanas in so little time.
question: how effective is to use a katana in tandem with a sai? I mean, instead of another katana, using a sai along the main katana.
It's interesting because if you read the book of five rings Miyamoto Musashi says that you should learn to fight with a katana in either hand. I think more than dual wielding, he was trying to emphasize ambidexterity. So if for some reason you had to stop using your dominant hand, you could fight without much difference.
Not just ambidexterity, but to be able to use whatever comes in hand with the principles he thought and trained.
You should read the book Musashi he found himself drawing two swords during the many ambushes he faced it was at a drum ceremony that he saw rhythm was something that he could weaponize and two swords could strike like a drum beat niten was something Musashi learnt himself organically because he was fighting always while surrounded mostly, book of five rings he wrote the book written of him is just as important perhaps better.
Ambidexterity is always a plus. It's a shame not that many martial art schools and instructors place heavy emphasis on it.
Also in the event of injury. If your right hand is sprained, fractured or broken, you have to use your other hand to fight with.
@@cokecan6169 Ring Fit does 😂
A little history on this subject- Musashi is recorded as having frequently meditated at Katori shrine where they practiced Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu. Katori Shinto just happens to have a curriculum dedicated to two sword style. Two sword style most likely long predates Musashi's lifetime.
Im sure from as long as some had thought to use 2 instead of one 😂
@@skys6655 Yes obviously, but we're talking about martial arts here, not just some primitive guy grabbing two sticks. An organized system/tradition of two-sword techniques.
Yes the nii to ryu predates musashi by a long time, if i remember correctly he was the first one to write about it or something
But the two sword style was a thing before him too
The Spanish, who had a strong presence at the time, also used sword and left-hand dagger.
It was called Ryotojutsu in another school before.
This is very interesting indeed. For me especially because there's an Indian martial art called Sanatan Shastarvidiya which has similar principles. The first sword style taught within it is known as Garuda, based on the movement of birds. It is used for skirmishing. The sword draw is called fur - bird taking flight. The arms are compared to the wings of birds. There's also focus on ambidexterity.
Correct. Katori Shinto Ryu has 2 sword Nito techniques which predate the birth of Musashi. There are also other schools which have nito techniques independent from Musashi which are Tatsumi Ryu, Shingyoto Ryu and just to name a couple.
You are right, although it should be pointed out that Shingyoto Ryu was, in fact, influenced by Musashi's teachings. The founder of that ryu-ha studied Enmei Ryu.
Lets not forget Musashi learned two-sword techniques and developed his school with the help of Yagyu Munenori who gave Musashi access to the Yagyu martial scrolls including their extensive two sword techniques, also techniques for fighting against two swords.
Thank you so much Seki Sensei for explaining nito technique, it is very interesting about the history of using a shield in Asayama Ichiden Ryu, it would be amazing to learn Asayama Ichiden Ryu 🙏🏻
Two-sword styles are always impressive, takes a lot of coordination
When i started to learn te ni to ryu, I was taught first to master using my left hand, drawing and using a uchigatana. I also had to learn how to use chopsticks with left hand during meals, instead of my right. The full ni to ryu training came later, when I had to coordinate the two blades for multiple scenarios. Since my style focuses on balance, both blades must be the same. I only came to learn that this was quite an unusual concept later.
Musashi did not invent using two katanas. He invented a STYLE of using two katanas.
That sounds like the same thing to me lol.
@@AstrixCloud nah, just think of the difference between Judo and wrestling. both mean grabbing people. they might even have crossover but, they aren't the same thing even if both require the same body parts.
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@@AstrixCloud It's different. Musashi invented his own style of dual-wielding, just like there are many Style / Ryuhas for fighting with one katana. For example Bruce Lee, he invented his own fighting techniques called Jeet-kune-do, from previously learning Wing-chun.
@@AstrixCloud it's different fighting style but same weapon
I would like to throw out a theory about why the wakizashi is in the right hand and the uchigatana is in the left. Both types of swords must be drawn with the right hand. However, if you assume you start the fight by drawing the uchigatana first (maybe via throw-draw), and then later realize you need a second blade to deal with the opponent (or multiple opponents), you simply shift the already-drawn uchigatana to the left hand, and draw the wakizashi with the right hand (which, in Asayama Ichiden Ryu, is a draw that only requires 1 hand while a uchigatana draw is usually done with two hands).
Therefore, in a style that optimizes for practicality, this is by far the most likely scenario in which you'd be armed with both katana in a real fight. It's not about the idealized combat techniques of which sword is better in main-hand/off-hand in HEMA or other kenjutsu styles.
Since the 1st uchigatana draw is so fast and safe in Asayama Ichiden Ryu, there's a natural advantage that once the sword is out, you can shift it to the left hand and draw the wakizashi in the right hand.
I think if there's any room for Seki Sensei to add or create a new kata, it would be a basic training for the sequence which includes shifting the blade to the left hand. I can imagine opportunities in which the "taka-no-ha" concept naturally develops from the motion of bringing the hands together to hand off the uchigatana, and drawing the wakizashi with the right hand.
Counterargument for why that is less likely than having the short sword in your left hand: because Japanese swords are worn on the left side, you need to draw the long one with your right hand, but there is nothing stopping you from drawing the short sword with your left hand. So in your example, you could draw your long sword with your right hand and realize you might need something to help you, and just as well draw the short sword with your left.
Actually in all the pictures of Musashi with two swords : the katana is on his right hand and the wakizashi in his left; inclouding in the picture of this video. It is the natural way of fighting and moving with the two swords that made Musashi’s two swords style unique.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146While you _can_ draw the wakizashi with your left hand, it is very awkward to do so. It is actually much easier - and quicker - to move the katana to the left hand, while using that same hand to steady the saya and push on the tsuba to release the wakizashi, thus allowing the right hand to draw it. The fit in the saya is pretty tight, especially for a blade less used. If attempting to draw the wakizashi with just one hand, you might end up drawing the whole thing out from your belt, saya and all.
Great points....pun Intended :)
I *love* how every time I have a question about swordplay, Seki-Sensei and you always have an answer. Learning Kata has never been accessible until I found this page, and now I practice every day. 🖤
5:39 Italian rapier and dagger styles loved doing this to the point that they made simultaneous parry and thrust some of their core moves due to how effective it is, even including locking cross-guards in the dagger to lock swords/rapiers.
This however, is unorthodox until he explained that you're actually using the long sword as a makeshift shield because you have a larger surface area.
Tates are an extremely underrated topic in Japanese styles and Japanology in general. Outside of sieges where they were incorporated by archers, tangenshima and raiding parties, it was very much non-existent in Edo period. I believe some woodcut works show riders also incorporating it too, but I haven't seen a test whether one stop a 50 cal musket ball from a handgun.
I don't know much about using a katana, but I can tell that Seki Sensei's control is almost superhuman. The blade always starts, moves, and stops precisely where he wants it to go. I love these videos.
Yeah common misconception he invented dual wielding. He did however adapt his family jutte jutsu techniques into his own unique dual wielding style that does do some things slightly different then many ryuha.
Simultaneous attack and defense and certain aspects of tempo to use timing to make it harder for the opponent to react.
This was an extremely interesting and informative video, thank you for sharing!
At 4:15, Seki Sensei mentions that Asayama Ichiden Ryu students trained with _shields_ . Do you know what year(s) in history they trained this, and what type of shield? I never knew that shields were a part of traditional Japanese martial arts in this way! That's fascinating.
Not to the extent of sword and shield based martial arts from Europe, the Middle East or South Asia, certainly not, but pavises used by archers and wickerwork shields used to protect against ranged weaponry before engaging with the enemy were pretty common prior to the Edo Era.
I think Seki sensei was talking either about tedate or traditional okinawan timbe
@@Fullerite_ I think you are right about the Tedate (手盾); I was aware of the large, person sized ones used against arrows, either on the ground or worn on the back. But it seems that based on historical paintings, a smaller, buckler-sized version was used occasionally, both on horseback and on foot, from as early as the 13th Century (illustrated in 法然上人絵伝) up to the Edo Period. These could be held in the sword hand as a handguard, used in the offhand like a Western buckler, or even used alone as a weapon. This seems to be what Seki-Sensei was referring to. Thank you!
I'd like to see Seki Sensei use a shield in a tutorial
I would also love to see a video on shield use!
the only down side to these videos that go by so fast. i could listen to yall go on for hours. thank for the great videos.
I think Katori Shinto Ryu has some dual sword work , and it is both older than Asayama Ichiden Ryu and Niten Ichi Ryu.
Yes has Nito and it is roughly 100 years older as Asayama Ichiden Ryu.
Really loving the new channel!!!
I love the Hawks Wing - It looks so cool.
Awesome as always. Thank you for sharing .
I train in a filipino style that often uses two swords and always like seeing how other styles approach how to do it
It becomes a very english method of swordplay. Using the overhead spin to attack quicker, when applied to only one katana.
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great job. really enjoying the demonstration through movement instead of just describing it.
Seki Sensei has such unbelievable transition from slow to fast. It's instantaneous, there is no tell in his movements before the strike. It's amazing to watch.
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I would love to see some sword and shield style, sounds very interesting!
Musashi did not invent duel blade style, but he invented niten ichi
Thanks for the lesson! I dual wield in a similar manner to how Seki-Sensei was doing it in this video. His cross-guard followed by a strike with the shorter sword is very similar to how I score most of my points. I was very impressed by the taka-no-ha (hawk's wings) method and I think I'll be giving it a try. As always, Shogo and Seki-Sensei have put out a fascinating and informative video. Thank you both for the work you do!
Great video, I’m a little bit confused. The picture you showed has Musashi holding the longer katana in his right hand, but you demonstrate holding it in the left, opposite to the picture. 3:52
Awesome content
3:57 The left and right from got mistaken here if we consider left and right from musashis prespective.
Excellent highly informative video. Arigato
Fun to watch. Thanks.
Thank you for the lesson of using 2 katanas. I've been searching knowledge on how to use a short and long katana.
二丁鎌の型があるので、二刀の型もあるのでは？と思っていました。
左右の腕を同時に違う方向に動かすのはかなり難しく、稽古を続けています。
I love this channel!
Great video series! I found this one especially interesting as I practice Kendo and have been playing in Nito Ryu for the last 5 years. I have been critiqued by Sensei that i need to make my Shoto more threatening so seeing kata or waza using the daito to suppress the opponent's sword and striking with the shoto gave me sone new perspectives on how effective the wakizashi/shoto coyld be.
Good video and thank you for the info. And to be interesting to see more of the 2 sword style and in the method of using the shield with the sword.
Very interesting!
Maybe Musashi just didn't invent it, but mastered it in an unparalleled level. すごいビデオです。
I love the hawk wings technique!!!
Fantastic!! we Have this movement in karate-do!! is fantastic.
Thank you!
Thank you for introducing me into the arts of the katana. I was fascinated by these weapons from the young age and I already do some martial arts and I love to learn Iaido and from yesterday I want I start with the Kenjutsu...
Hmmm, very interesting. This channel is gradually becoming better than Shogo's main channel.
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Thanks!
This was super interesting! As a kendōka I always love learning more about traditional kobudō. The things shown in this video are akin to kata - which are pre-set (choreographed) sequences of moves that focus in on particular techniques or philosophies. However, if someone is interested in seeing this style in "action" against a resisting opponent then have a look at nitō kendō shiai.
Great Techniques, It is so nice to see someone show real two sword Fighting Style!!!
I would love to see two katana vs rapier and dagger
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nitpick, but at the 3:50 mark where you refer to Musashi's 1640 self portrait, the wakazashi is in Musashi's left hand, not his right. Unless it was common for 17th century Japanese artists to not invert handedness for figures facing out of the page, like left hand is page left not figure's left and right hand is page right... but I've never heard of this and I understand Musashi was a sculptor as well as a painter. It does relate to a video on your other channel about left-handed samurai, as a lefty I got excited when you suggested Musashi was left handed, but I found no other testimony to that effect and the only evidence being that he was buried with katana in his left hand and a cane in his right. Everything else interesting though, two-sword styles predating Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu kind of render moot the speculation on Musashi's inspiration - his father's jutte technique, witnessing Portuguese fighting with parrying daggers, taiko drummers etc. when there's this simpler explanation that two-sword styles already existed.
Thank you
Very neat!
Very cool
i tried duel wielding and naturally came to the same conclusion on my own, on right hand smaller, left hand bigger, since the left hand is supposed to keep the other guy out of his effective distance, controlling the distance of the fight/as an parrying tool, and most importantly, my shorter sword cuts better then my longer one, and is sharper, so it might not be because of this (they have the same thickness and girth) shorter is 14in blade, 19in total, longer one is 20in blade, 25.5 total
Thank you Master
I've heard conjecture that Niten Ishi-Ryi may have had a healthy dose of foreign influence. The Portuguese made contact with Japan in 1543, and the Spanish Destreza style of fencing really took off in the late 16th century, right around the time of Musashi's birth. Destreza makes heavy use of the rapier in the right hand, paired with a long dagger in the left. It could explain why Musashi's style is "backwards."
Thank you.
Como alguien que se crío con una espada Ropera en la mano derecha y una Vizcaína en la izquierda, soy incapaz de usar una espada a dos manos (tiene que ser muy grande para usarla a dos manos) motivo por el cual cuando empecé a practicar Kenjutsu me lancé directo al estilo de dos Katanas. En base a mi experiencia, el secreto de usar dos espadas (una larga y una corta) es saber aprovechar las distancias y bloquear con la espada adecuada. Hay ocasiones en las que es mejor blorquear con la larga y atacar con la corta y al revés, es cuestión de practica.
Very nice moves guys 💪👌👏👍❤️😎
Thank you for showing Old School lantana use The old ryu ha of Japan are great
I like this !
That was amazing
So Japanese used shields in combat (aside the barrier shields for fortification.) And they use two swords like dagger and rapier. Learned something new.
Very familiar with HEMA's rapier and dagger
Shogo please keep making videos with Seki Sensei.
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So one of the main uses is the same reason rapier and dagger was used. You had both and you could block the attack and attack your opponent in the same beat. People also used capes to divert the weapon or blind the attacker.
Please do some Naginata work next🙏
Lots of the techniques in this ryu remind me of techniques in classical Filipino Martial Arts, which commonly use two weapons and cut the body rather than focusing on the weapon. The Hawk cuts with two weapons are very like the gunting/scissor cuts used in Espada y Daga/Sword and Dagger in certain FMA styles.
I always wondered about two sword techniques
I think you are mistaken, because in that picture the sword and Musashi’s left-hand is the wakazashi and the katana is in his right hand
But the pic at 3min 52sec of Musashi it appears he's holding the shorter sword in his left hand.
A pleasure to watch the fluency and grace in the moves, big ous, when I was a younger around 7 years old I loved martial arts and samurai moves I started karate at 7 years old now I'm 46 have tried many arts in fighting but the love I have for Japanese arts goes on but I never got to train with the sword but anyway full contact ashihara karate is what I've been doing since 2010 I'm kuro obi,ous from Ireland to Japan 💯👊👊🙏🙏
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I call my double style, TORNADO OF DEATH
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Thank you for all your wonderful work. Seki Sensei is a treasure to budo. I train in Shinto Muso ryu and we too have several nito kata. Curious: does Seki Sensei still train in SMR and if so, what line? Thank you again for your commitment to truly excellent content!!
Ofc Musashi didn't invent it he mastered it which is what no person will ever master
hi, i couldn't fail to notice the seigan used in the video is slightly different from the way its done in the dojo i go to, i would love to hear if there is a reason for that like how it is explained why the uchigatana is held in the left hand, love your videos! its great to see how different schools teach certain stuff.
thanks you!! show katana with tanto please
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Amazing video! I have a question, why one of the sword is smaller? What would be the disadvantages of getting two katanas or normal sword technique?
Very interesting to see, especially the differences of this style and Filipino Kali which I practiced a lot and also often uses 2 sticks or swords. Also interesting that Kobudo considers 2 sword techniques advanced things that are to be trained after you already are very experienced with a single blade while in Kali, they are tought right from the beginning to teach you movements and body mechanics. Then again. the Katana is primarily a weapon for use with both hands while most filipino swords are primarily one handed weapons so maybe that is something that plays into it.
Also one thing that IS considered more advanced in Filipino martial arts is the use of 2 weapons of different lengths (mostly sword and dagger) because it makes a lot of use of the concept of utilizing the different ranges of those weapons and moving between ranges.
3:53 You may not be correct about which hand the katana and wakizashi are in in the painting...could you take another look?
You might have misspoke at @3:56 when you described the way Musashi held his swords. 🙏🏻
As a lefthander, I noticed that having the heavier katana in my right hand (even though my swords are made of EVA foam and aren't very heavy to begin with) and the lighter wakizashi in my stronger left hand gave me equal reach and near equal strength with both swords. Maybe the headmaster who devised this style was lefthanded like me 😂
All Japanese were forced to be right handed.
@stormshadowctf it's genetic. This style was probably devised to sneakily be left-handed 👍
Somewhat similar in form to rapier and main gauche though the wakizashi may have a few advantages, it would be slower than the main gauche to defend and parry, and perhaps closer to using a tanto with katana which may not have been an actual technique used?
When "two-katana" fighting is mentioned, I was initially disappointed to learn it was katana and wakizashi.
I had practiced with single katana, then two katana; the second katana in your inferior hand is much slower, however that can be reduced or overcome by first practicing single katana with reverse hands to build strength and speed, then moving on to one katana with one hand, left then right then two katana.
I am blessed to be very tall with long arms, so drawing two katana simultaneously isn't difficult to clear the saya, I found with diligent repeated practice using the right hand to draw the left katana and the left hand to draw the right katana, the blade naturally sets to the proper position. However, your single hand is then close to the tsuba making the balance and control very different, so I have a practiced a technique to use a katana with one hand, left and right independently, then both which needs more practice
tl;dr, not knowing any better, I practiced using two katana vs katana and wakizashi; is there any historical record for this technique?
Very surprised that dual welding was something that happened enough for curriculum to be made around it.
How far should the sword be taken back over the head for the strike.
And how should the cut proceed down?
Thank you for the video.
I'm having a little trouble figuring out how the timing in the kata and the description connect. Several times the narrator says that you can defend and strike in one movement. In the kata as shown there is a defending phase where both blades are engaged with the opponent's sword followed by a deflection or hold with one of the defender's swords and a strike with the other. Is this because Master Seki is making it easier for the viewers to see how the hands coordinate?
For example:
1 -> Block with crossed swords
2 -> Move the attacker's sword with the longer blade and strike with the shorter blade
That would seem to be two beats or a beat and a half. A true one-beat engagement would seem to be defense with one blade and a simultaneous attack with the other
1 => Deflect with one blade while hitting with the other
These videos are exceptional, full of information and it's a real honor to be able to watch them.. but I laugh so much at the facial expression the assistant make everytime he get's hit LOL
Tsukada-san is truly a talented and kind person!
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I noticed that around 4:18 Seki Sensei says "kodachi" although the subs translate as wakizashi. I'm curious if these (the 2 terms and/or the 2 different types of swords) are used interchangeably for all intents and purposes, at least in this context
If any of you are interested, in Ako Roshi Episode 35, Kobayashi Heishichi fights off some of the Ako ronin with 2 katana.
What is the purpose of the stances before you start moving and why do you lower the katana before the attack/defense?
Is this a training thing or would it be a real combat thing too ?