I'm sorry, but in order for me to like and/or believe this theory, there has to be a good role for BV instead of him just being left out of the timeline and losing relevance bc of some dumb gator mask kid.
@@Shadowmouse1234 After Fnaf 4, he’s “broken”, and a bunch of characters like Cassidy, Charlie, and Mike work together to help him “put himself back together”, which allows him to finally move on.
@@Shadowmouse1234 Simple answer, he doesn’t possess any animatronics. Charlie just holds onto his spirit so that she can try to help him. And honestly I think that works. He’s essentially just being guided through limbo by anyone who can contact him, which seemingly allows for characters like Mike to experience his forgotten memories in their dreams.
Honestly that was the whole point of the video. I wasn’t trying to prove that Andrew is TOYSHK (despite the fact that I personally do believe that), I was just trying to prove that TOYSHK isn’t Cassidy. He could literally be anyone else and it would make more sense.
I always headcanoned that OMC was the TOYSNHK's grandfather due to the alligator connections but tbh, I like this interpretation of his character (although I do believe that it would better story-wise to make Andrew a victim of William through the Sister Location experiments instead of the sixth secret MCI kid)
Never understood why Cassidy was considered the Vengeful Spirit when the only thing we really know about her is that she's a girl and the Spirit is a boy.
Cassidy is not confirmed to be a boy nor a girl. The animatronics say him as in the animatronic, Golden Freddy, no hate, just saying, Scott has avoided Cassidy’s gender, so you can interpret Cassidy how ever you want. And yes, Cassidy is probably most likely to be the vengeful spirit, but we don’t know 100 percent.
@phobiaanimations Get confirmed fourth closet Cassidy is girl with black long hair Survival logbook see picture call happiest day You see puppet give cake to little girl black hair Scott himself says Fazbear frights some stories directly canon games Andrew is be William victim number 7 and the one keep William alive make sense
@@killerman3715I wouldn’t use the book trilogy to prove stuff about Cassidy, because doesn’t she possess Bonnie in the silver eyes trilogy? Michael Brooks is the golden Freddy victim there, and while Andrew could be in the games, the books aren’t necessarily completely canon to the games
@Ray.Beam_ if we don't use trilogy Why people says Charlie is puppet and her father the one talk fnaf 6 Trilogy novel has same characters games 4 missing kids and Charlie and Henry even William appears before games Fazbear frights canon games Andrew is vengeful spirit afton victim number 7 who get mentioned toy chica high school year
this may a bit out there, but i believe the foxy hook being in Toy Chicas bag is symbolic of William already having manipulated Mike enough for him to be on his side. it definitely doesnt symbolize Charlie, since there is literally a puppet in these cutscenes
I'm surprised the ending reveal didn't bring it up, but here I go... We have 5 ghosts that aren't Fritz, Gabriel, Susie, Jeremy, CC/Evan, and Charlie in Happiest Day. The first 5. The ones who look like Medicore Melodies. The set that includes two different alligator-esque masks. These would have to come from the OTHER 5 kid kill event, Dead Children Incident/Save Them Massacre. Except...while we see 5 bodies in SAVE THEM....there are 6 blood stains. Where is the 6 body? Hard to say. Could be in one of the toys, could be in the puppets box, could be in GF. Regardless, that's a distinction. So who are these guys? The toys? Then who's number 6? JJ? The extra weird balloon boy who's actually probably a girl? Huh...probably a girl. Speaking of extra balloon girls, JJ inspired DD. DD who...is in a major position of power in UCN. Who in FNAF World runs the...fishing minigame. Oh dear
I get that cassidy possesses golden freddy But what's odd is the fact that It shares the same appearance in hairstyle with the kid at the end of the fight nights at freddy's movie and in the dream sequence, Is also after the aunts death in the movies
8:36 I do think there might be a seventh victim, however, based on the first Toy Chica kill saying to "help her with her homework" matching how Charlie is William's business partner's daughter (meaning she'd be able to "help" william with his work). And THEN the second story was the girl who lost her dog (susie. I was the first), I believe the TC cutscenes are for Charlie and then the MCI kids, starting with Susie. But then...who does the hook belong to that's already in her bag, if its not Charlie?? Maybe BV as a keepsake from his first loss. Or its a victim he took before Charlie. One he shouldn't have killed??? ;)
Here’s all the evidence Andrews the vengeful spirit . Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie (It’s also important to that the deaths are out of order but it’s mainly meant to show that William killed six kids with one he killed before Freddy’s) . Andrew’s representative is the puppet and is the 7th victim. This also indirectly confirms that he’s the midnight motorist kid due to the fact that toy chica does exactly what happens in that mini game . The bear of vengeance is about William kids before the Fnaf 4 mini games Foxy is Mike Freddy is bite victim Mangle is Elizabeth as a reference to the toy in her room in Fnaf 4 . Into the pit is 100% canon at this point due to it getting another book which is a sequel to the week before which is confirmed to be canon and it also getting its own game . Into the pit graphic novel shows that there are 6 kids 4 boys 2 girls (it’s also stated in the book, however graphic novel confirms it was not a mistake It is factual.) . Custom night is the 7 night and ucn is the 7 game so logically the 7 victim who would be the one who creates it . There’s 7 graves in Fnaf world next to purple guy implying their kids he killed. . In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. (the 8 is tape girl while glitch trap isn’t William He thinks he is so he considers his kills on the same level as William) . Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”) . Chica and mangle know the one you should not have killed it because they’re in the vents with him which means it can’t be golden Freddy because they never seen him before. . Golden Freddy and the one you should have killed her at the same location at the same time so they can’t be the same. . It said that he’s here and always watching implying he’s in every level of UCN Meanwhile, you can turn off golden Freddy anytime. .toysnhk is implied to not be participating in the torture he just watches. This is also further implied by nightmare Freddy “I am remade” he remade them just so he could watch William suffer . Golden Freddy actively tries to kill Afton. That’s not watching that’s participating. . The one you should not have killed voice is heard in the back of the mediocre melodies. Meanwhile, we hear FredBear’s voice and it’s literally just a bunch of distorted dialogue implying it different. . Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him. Cassidy is 100% a girl as proven the the fourth closet and the into the pit graphic novel . Nightmare, an entity tied to the Nightmare experiments stats that "THE SHADOW FEARS ME". "The shadow is referring to Xor/Deedee, who controls UCN. AKA, Andrew. . Mangle say “ and always watching” implying he’s not actually a part of the torment where golden Freddy is literally an opponent. . Toysnok and golden Freddy are treated as separate character. Toysnok is more of an Easter egg character. He appears rarely in game over screens. He also hides in the vents further adding to mangle statement of him always watching . FredBear’s voice by Kellen Goff while the one you should not have killed his voice by Tabatha skanes . Toysnhk uses the mediocre melodies characters golden Freddy has 0 connection to (also if he was golden Freddy why wouldn’t he just use golden Freddy to talk through) (Why wouldn’t they have the same voice if they were the same entity) . Happiest day for is Cassidy meaning that they can’t torture William because they’ve moved on. Also, no golden Freddy doesn’t have two spirits. (evidence for this is that: the story was supposed to end at 3 and crying child in the encyclopedia isn’t listed in 3) . The man in room 1280 William is only stated to have two arms, not 2 hands so the design is still consistent . Cassidy torturing william is out of character since every instance they interact she just wants to kill him in fact in follow me. The spirits disappeared because they think William dead. (this gets even worse if you think the princess is her in my opinion it’s a recreation of not the actual spirit. Since the old man consequences and princess quest doesn’t add anything like the real one.) (this is going under the idea William didn’t die in the suit. Andrew just kept him alive) . Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him. . Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy Cassidy is a girl . Into the pit is getting a game, which is when the 6 kid was introduced. They’re not going to remove him since Andrew’s a vital plot point to the books. . The into the pit game is Cannon. It’s the 10th anniversary game. . Orville line “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us.” this implies the spirit is attached to William as burn means they were burned together . Book argument is bad because Henry came from books and was add to game and so was the mimic. . Andrew is not a parallel to Cassidy due to the logbook showing what Cassidy is really like and she just seems like a nice person trying to help someone else. Where Andrew was mean due to his backstory and so tuation, so they’re not parallels. . There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William. One of the ucn songs is called eisoptrophobia an unhealthy fear of mirrors. This implies William and the one you should not have killed are the same. Cassidy/golden Freddy is meant to be William opposite not the same as them so it can’t be them. . In 6 you can hear William’s heart beating meaning that the person is still alive in the suit. This means that somethings been keeping him alive since he’s wouldn’t be immortal yet due to him not actually getting immortal as his plan fails in follow me . Cassidy is incapable of attaching to Afton because they’re stuck to molten Freddy. Also doesn’t make sense for them to be able to do that because why haven’t they done that to anybody else? . If William knew he couldn’t die then it makes his appearance in 6 make much more sense. He knew it was a trap so why would he come simple he knows in the end he’s going to survive thanks to andrew . Nightmare Freddy knows who the one you should not have killed is implying a connection . In the song sleep no more you can hear a heartbeat, which is more proof that ucn is a nightmare caused by the spirit who attached himself to William . UCN is very connected to 4 and it’s implied that the one you should not have killed is an experiment victim of William. Ucn is the game that made Nightmarionne, nightmare, mangle Jacko chica and JackoBonnie Cannon. . Nightmarionne is UCN main icon character. . Nightmarionne line: “I am the fearful reflection of what you have created” Nightmarionne is the representation of the experiment rooms Williams greatest achievement, a place which is literally meant to torment children and kill them. Nightmarionne likely the creation of Andrews agony. .When you light 6 graves in PQ4 you encounter nightmarionne plush after that. . Neddbear line: “this is how it feels, and you get to experience it over and over again”. This is how it feels part of the line implies the spirit has been in a similar place to William where they had to defend from animatronics. . nightmare Freddy and fredbear voice line. “ I am remade but not by you by the one you should not have killed” “ this time there is more than a illusion to fear” . UCN final office is the Fnaf 4 one” . This also makes UCN narrative greater. William once fore and watched them go through tournament(the experiment room cameras in SL office) now they get to force and watch William go through torment. Until he blows up . Mimic has spring locks in his leg which is from the jester costume he was trapped in tales is canon, and there’s a story and tails called frailty about Eleanor meaning that stitchline is meaning that Andrew Cannon . Fnaf vr 2 grave lineups represent the order of the spirits were set free and golden Freddy is there Cassidy was set free. Now we need to ask the question: why is golden Freddy given so much relevance in UCN? I believe that golden Freddy/Fredbear is meant to represent Henry. Golden Freddy has all of the special abilities because of William fear of a golden Freddy because that’s the character who represents Henry in William mind We hear UCN FredBears lines and they’re not spirit lines. They’re just pawn lines like the other. “ let’s find a suit that’s right for you” “There was more fantasy and fun where I came from” The void cut scene is meant to represent William getting over his fear of Henry and what he did to him which is why golden Freddy fades away shaking violently likes springtrap It’s also important to know that molten Freddy is the golden Freddy representative of 6 golden Freddy has a representative in every game in the original story Fnaf 1: golden Freddy Fnaf 2: withered golden Freddy Fnaf 3: phantom Freddy (confirmed in the files) Fnaf 4: nightmare Fredbear Fnaf Sl:yendo Fnaf 6: nobody other than molten Freddy as it has to be in the main gameplay.
bro plzzzz everywhere i go i see your comments. i dont think andrew is TOYSNHK but some of these points are rllly interesting. have you ever considered making videos ? you have a lot of compelling theories and ideas to share in comments all the time
I'm sorry but using the fact that son used his son to "prove" that the vengeful spirit is male discredits ur proof and makes it unbelievable. Scott doesn't have a daughter, and he can't just use a random pic of a little girl that he got off of a search engine unless he wants a lawsuit. So the best next thing is to use his son even if the vengeful spirit is a girl.
While I do agree that Scott made it pretty clear that Cassidy isn’t TOYSHK, he did say that the picture in UCN is not an accurate representation of what TOYSHK looks like. It’s just a deep fried image of his son.
@@cheddadoodle Honestly I still find it weird that that image was seemingly used as a reference for the goldie kid in the movie despite that. If they didn't it's a weird coincidence that they look close
@@starbonnie552 It’s entirely possible that they took inspiration from that image despite Scott saying it wasn’t an accurate representation of TOYSHK. The movie version of Golden Freddy does admittedly seem to be a combination of the roles of the Vengeful Spirit and Golden Freddy, but I think if anything that’s just because apparently while doing research for the movie Blumhouse used MatPat’s theories as a reference
@@cheddadoodle Yeah I guess that and I don't think we know if Goldie kid's appearance was made that way by Scott or something since he made the script.
Ngl, i can say personally that even if it isn't true, i do think it is still cassidy/golden freddy. although i will say whenever i hear and see the vengeful spirit/it's voice, i always hear female and see female. like, no disrespect to scott's son but whenever i see that picture in ucn i see a little girl. not a little boy. and as for the He/Him pronouns, i kind of agree. they could be technically talking directly about the spirit, but even still if we were still using the idea that cassidy just changes her appearance even as just a ghost. she could still technically be golden freddy and the torturor. However i will say i like the way you used old man consequences, i never thought of him just actually being the consequence. so that was a cool idea and i could totally see that, as if he was that demons he was referring to. anyway yeah, i still think it's cassidy and not andrew but i do think i could see it being differently if it was more hinted at to be someone else. rather than it being just more like a parelle or just something that makes it not fit with the story as much. the issue i have with andrew is not just because i don't like the idea, but also because there are just a few too many "same difference" sort of thing going on with this kid and cassidy.
The pigpatch story in chica highschool years is the only one where the kid wasn't lured, they were straight up taken against their will, its also the only story where a character isn't lured to Chica/William's "House" Is house refering to the fnaf 1 pizzaria? I mean that would make sense, and 1 kid not being killed in the same place possibly. Or just being put through pain before dying. Either way hope this gets more context some day.
Honestly I think that maybe the vengeful spirit might be CC/BV… Perhaps, he wasn’t targeting William but Michael? Or perhaps William did something to him in the hospital…
Furthermore, it is impossible for Andrew to be a parallel for Cassidy because in Into the Pit we are shown 6 corpses, 5 of the MCI including Cassidy and 1 of Andrew, which implies that Andrew is not a parallel because Cassidy is in the same book.😊
@@cryxton3148 Might as well provide proof that I’m actually trying to be a better person. My therapist doesn’t know that I recorded these btw www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/l70yxu95ust3od0zymsxg/h?rlkey=ycgtxdd5r1cfez4vuu8youwny&e=1&dl=0
yknow, i kinda think, Cassidy IS Andrew Not a parallel, not similar, literally they're the same entity UCN's voice role for TOYSNHK was described as sounding either male or female iirc, which could make it either Cassidy or Andrew I believe it was planned to be Cassidy, but use of "he" pronouns for the spirit and Scott himself using a picture of one of his sons, I think he switched it to Andrew so it'd be less confusing, ironically
Thought: We haven't really been given much opportunity to see "mobile spirits" in this universe. Generally, a person's "soul" or "remnant" or whatever you want to call it is stuck to the method of their death, unless artificially removed (as the series told us with the Funtimes). Is it possible that the vengeful spirit was killed in the Springtrap suit? This would explain why they became 'intertwined' after William's springlocking, and also might be why they're so vengeful, since we know that a springlock failure is an utterly brutal way to die. It seems to me like this might be a mirror of Michael's "You won't die" moment. Michael, presumably due to exposure to residual remnant from the scooping process, is able to pick himself back up and continue to live after the Ennard endoskeleton leaves for greener pastures. But if characters who die are capable of just "possessing themselves" as I believe the Game Theorists put it, we would have an outbreak of the living dead. There has to be an external source of remnant for this self-possession to occur from what we've seen, and for this universe to remain consistent. Theory: William killed one more child, one that never really interacted with the others because it was stuck to the Spring Bonnie suit, which itself was hidden behind a false wall in the back room. During the events of the FNAF 3 minigames, where we see William panic and hop in the Spring Bonnie suit when faced with the spirits of his victims, it always struck me as odd that William was, well, there. It seemed like what he was doing was disassembling each of the animatronics, presumably for the remnant experiments that led to the Funtimes (though putting together a coherent timeline for the madness that is FNAF oftentimes feels like an exercise in futility). It could be that this child was particularly bitter, not only because of how agonizing their death was, but because they were a runaway, and their death was never acknowledged by anyone (hence why every reference to the missing child incident refers to 5 children). It was locked in the Spring Bonnie suit, but out of animatronic mode, and had already resigned itself to bitter helplessness. William approached, crank in hand, ready to disassemble the suit and harvest what remnant he could. Obviously the spirits of his other victims had better ideas, showing up at the last moment. William, in a panic and falling into old routines, put on the Spring Bonnie suit, the walking block of fabric and metal that had always made him feel unstoppable. The erased child, the forgotten one, the one William shouldn't have killed, finally had their chance. Marshalling all the energy they had after decades of stagnation in a back room, one springlock snapped shut. And once one springlock snaps, well, we all know the rest of the story. William is trapped in a prison of his own making, and dies, his major organs punctured, his face only supported by the robot's endoskeleton, bones shattered. Only to hear a sinister whisper. "You'll come back. You'll always come back." And so he woke back up, agony wracking his entire body, feeling the pain of dying all over again, as the spirit of the child killed before him in the same suit forced his spirit to linger, dragged him back into his body. Was this Hell? Was this someplace even worse? He would spend yet more years waiting to be found; every time he died, his useless muscles twitching, his ravaged nerves searing, he came back. He always came back. In my opinion, while this does mean we have to account for an extra victim nobody noticed during William's initial rampage, it DOES explain a lot about why William came back, why he doesn't die, why he "always comes back." To me, especially telling is the line "No matter how many times they burn us," which implies to me that not only was the spirit present during the burning at the end of FNAF 6, but also during the fire at the end of FNAF 3. It also explains why William was even in the position of getting stuck in the Springtrap suit. Just like the other animatronics, he was trying to harvest remnant from it, just after all the others. Maybe he was reticent to take that particular suit apart because of its role in the murders; perhaps he was wary about potentially exposing evidence of his old activities to others who might investigate the restaurant. Either way, I think that this can actually line up to make a lot of the evidence you provided make sense, while also explaining why the Vengeful Spirit (not Cassidy) is inextricably bound to William. It also gives an explanation for William's "I always come back." Imagine if you died multiple times a day, but every time woke up in just as much pain, with a spirit whispering in your ear "You'll always come back" until that phrase is the only thought ringing in your skull. It always seemed to me that "I always come back" wasn't really a triumphant phrase, but really just a statement of fact for William. He knows he'll be back.
You know what, after watching this video I now finally believe that Cassidy is not the vengeful spirit or the one you should have killed and i just believe that Cassidy put of UCN and trying to killed William.
I don't believe in AndrewTOYSNHK because all the evidence is right: Cassidy is nice to the crying child and is a girl while TOYSNHK is a boy and is mean to William, it could be any spirit, but If I made this comment it's to discuss one argument in particular: "Cassidy's personality is inconsistent so he's not TOYSNHK" every fnaf character has an inconsistent personality so this argument doesn't work
Here’s all the evidence Andrews the vengeful spirit . Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie (It’s also important to that the deaths are out of order but it’s mainly meant to show that William killed six kids with one he killed before Freddy’s) . There’s 7 graves in Fnaf world next to purple guy implying their kids he killed. . In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. (the 8 is tape girl while glitch trap isn’t William He thinks he is so he considers his kills on the same level as William) . Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”) . Chica and mangle know the one you should not have killed it because they’re in the vents with him which means it can’t be golden Freddy because they never seen him before. . Golden Freddy and the one you should have killed her at the same location at the same time so they can’t be the same. . It said that he’s here and always watching implying he’s in every level of UCN Meanwhile, you can turn off golden Freddy anytime. .toysnhk is implied to not be participating in the torture he just watches. This is also further implied by nightmare Freddy “I am remade” he remade them just so he could watch William suffer . Golden Freddy actively tries to kill Afton. That’s not watching that’s participating. . The one you should not have killed voice is heard in the back of the mediocre melodies. Meanwhile, we hear FredBear’s voice and it’s literally just a bunch of distorted dialogue implying it different. . Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him. Cassidy is 100% a girl as proven the the fourth closet . Nightmare, an entity tied to the Nightmare experiments stats that "THE SHADOW FEARS ME". "The shadow is referring to Xor/Deedee, who controls UCN. AKA, Andrew. . Mangle say “ and always watching” implying he’s not actually a part of the torment where golden Freddy is literally an opponent. . Toysnok and golden Freddy are treated as separate character. Toysnok is more of an Easter egg character. He appears rarely in game over screens. He also hides in the vents further adding to mangle statement of him always watching . Fred Bear’s voice by Kellen Goff while the one you should not have killed his voice by Tabatha skanes (Why wouldn’t they have the same voice if they were the same entity) . Happiest day for is Cassidy meaning that they can’t torture William because they’ve moved on. Also, no golden Freddy doesn’t have two spirits. (evidence for this is that: the story was supposed to end at 3 and crying child in the encyclopedia isn’t listed in 3) . The man in room 1280 William is only stated to have two arms, not 2 hands so the design is still consistent . Cassidy torturing william is out of character since every instance they interact she just wants to kill him in fact in follow me. The spirits disappeared because they think William dead. (this gets even worse if you think the princess is her in my opinion it’s a recreation of not the actual spirit. Since the old man consequences and princess quest doesn’t add anything like the real one.) (this is going under the idea William didn’t die in the suit. Andrew just kept him alive) . Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him. . Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy Cassidy is a girl . Into the pit is getting a game, which is when the 6 kid was introduced. They’re not going to remove him since Andrew’s a vital plot point to the books. . The into the big game is Cannon. It’s the 10th anniversary game. . Orville line “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us.” this implies the spirit is attached to William as burn means they were burned together . Book argument is bad because Henry came from books and was add to game and so was the mimic. . Andrew is not a parallel to Cassidy due to the logbook showing what Cassidy is really like and she just seems like a nice person trying to help someone else. Where Andrew was mean due to his backstory and so tuation, so they’re not parallels. . There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William. One of the ucn songs is called eisoptrophobia an unhealthy fear of mirrors. This implies William and the one you should not have killed are the same. Cassidy/golden Freddy is meant to be William opposite not the same as them so it can’t be them. . In 6 you can hear William’s heart beating meaning that the person is still alive in the suit. This means that somethings been keeping him alive since he’s wouldn’t be immortal yet due to him not actually getting immortal as his plan fails in follow me . If William knew he couldn’t die then it makes his appearance in 6 make much more sense. He knew it was a trap so why would he come simple he knows in the end he’s going to survive thanks to andrew . Nightmare, Freddy knows who the one you should not have killed is implying a connection . In the song sleep no more you can hear a heartbeat, which is more proof that ucn is a nightmare caused by the spirit who attached himself to William . UCN is very connected to 4 and it’s implied that the one you should not have killed is an experiment victim of William. Ucn is the game that made Nightmarionne, nightmare, mangle Jacko chica and JackoBonnie Cannon. . Nightmarionne is UCN main icon character. . Nightmarionne line: “I am the fearful reflection of what you have created” Nightmarionne is the representation of the experiment rooms Williams greatest achievement, a place which is literally meant to torment children and kill them. Nightmarionne likely the creation of Andrews agony. .When you light 6 graves in PQ4 you encounter nightmarionne plush after that. . Neddbear line: “this is how it feels, and you get to experience it over and over again”. This is how it feels part of the line implies the spirit has been in a similar place to William where they had to defend from animatronics. . nightmare Freddy and fredbear voice line. “ I am remade but not by you by the one you should not have killed” “ this time there is more than a illusion to fear” . UCN final office is the Fnaf 4 one” . This also makes UCN narrative greater. William once fore and watched them go through tournament(the experiment room cameras in SL office) now they get to force and watch William go through torment. Until he blows up . Fnaf vr 2 grave lineups represent the order of the spirits were set free and golden Freddy is there Cassidy was set free. If Andrew is the way should’ve killed, what’s golden Freddy’s roll: simple while Cassidy is in the vegetable spirit. They still hate William however instead of wanting to torment him, they just want him dead. After from molten Freddy they somehow figure out that William is still alive so they pull up to the hospital bed and hop in his nightmare possessing paw version of them despite their attempts to kill, William doesn’t work because he keeps coming back eventually OMC pulls up and tells to just give it up and move on as Andrew will inevitably learn the consequences of his actions. They agree in the void cutting represents the fact that they’re angry because after William beats 50/20, he blows up and escapes however they know it’s no longer their business and Andrew has to deal with the consequences of his actions which he does in Fazbear frights Or my personal favorite idea/interpretation. the golden Freddy /FredBear and the void golden Freddy in UCN is actually Henry who was trying to kill William however, got caught by Andrew and forcefully taken out of UCN which is why shaking angrily
@@Sonicmid that's what I was saying, his arguments do not suggest that Andrew is the vengeful spirit they just suggest that the vengeful spirit is not Cassidy, if I made this comment it is to talk about a argument in particular not all also can you stop spamming every video/comment saying that Andrew is the vengeful spirit? everyone has different opinions so there's no point spamming every comment/video that talks about TOYSNHK
i really like your Yenndo part of this theory, i always connected it to Golden Freddy and Cassidy, glad you agree! you bring some valid and interesting points but i think the pronouns do not matter as much as we think they do. Cassidy could be any pronouns for all we know, doubtful but a possibility. and i think from the stitchline books, we are supposed to apply the personality of Jake onto Cassidy, as well as the reason they stick around w Andrew. but use Andrew as a parallel for how they work in the suit, and for that BV is Jake. a little confusing but Scott didnt wanna go out and spell it for us, but when you think about it like that, it makes a lot more sense.
I have a long-standing thought that MatPat inadvertently ruined the FNAF theory fandom. Everyone looked to him for guidance and he rarely backtracked on his theories. There have been multiple videos of his that I don't agree with, but so many in the FNAFandom take it as fact despite Scott never confirming anything outright. I dont know, it's something I think about a lot and wonder where theories would be if MatPat did Slender instead of FNAF...
I don’t have anything against MatPat, but I completely agree. Many people took his word as fact when they were only ever just theories, just as valid as anyone else’s
cassidy/golden freddy is basically a spirit that wants to be freed, and most likely doesn't want to harm afton im a cc plushie, goldenfreddycassidy/benelovent spirit and andrewVSomc believer
This is why i dont like not having official lore and when people say that theories are what maked it enjoyable. No it doesn't, not by a long shot. It doesnt because theories are constantly getting changed and disproven by someone else. I want the actual story, not theories that a constantly changing and no one can stick to.
What about scurvily breach princess quest. The princess is named "cassdiy" in the game files, and the game is about defeating afton in one way or another. Or i could be wrong
@@cheddadoodle Not exactly, we know the princess is cassidy becuase of the chica staring at us in the mini game. Also to prove another thing wrong with your thing is the 7th victim is true, Where would he put both victims
@@MegaDonut the vengeful spirit does not want to defeat afton. it wants to torture him. it did not intervene on anything he did, it just wants to cause him as much pain as possible. cassidy meanwhile seems to want to get rid of him and help free vanessa as she is a helpful, nice person. defeating glitchtrap and freeing vanessa from the mind control is not a vengeful thing. your argument does not make a counter point, it actually makes sense to the theory and strengthens it.
Honestly probably the only way I'd accept Andrew being VS. Cause it makes sense that the alligator kid is related to you know the alligator and not the giant golden bear he has no connection to whatsoever. Even if I think the foxy hook is just the CC (death is never actively seen so it might have been an indirect kill.) probably the best way someone has put it.
Hear me out. What if the security puppet's mini game where Charlie possesses the puppet isn't a retcon to the save HIM mini game in fnaf 2? What if they're two separate events that happen to be similar?
I highly doubt it. VS seems to be a kid that William killed, but Mike was an adult when he died, and it wasn’t directly William’s fault. Mike seems to want William dead, but VS wants to keep him alive to torture him.
@@cheddadoodleThe theory goes on that Michael was being forced to work at Fnaf as a Nightguard by william When he died, his agony won't let him dies, his "agony" is to take a revenge to his father. In UCN, Michael torture william by making him become a night guard just like Michael, William did michael by his order Not sure if it's true
@@cheddadoodle I know this is late but I just realized that we're basically opposites. I support CassidySpirit and despise AndrewSpirit while you support Andrewspirit and hate CassidySpirit
As one of the OG Andrew = the mad spirit supporter, I want to say that this is great video! very based and I want to add another thing: let's assume that Stitchline is not in the games (which i think it is i nthe games). so when a characters appears in both games and books, they keep on the same role. William is still the serial killer who murdered children and ended up burnt being tortured by a spirit of his victim (and sound files confirm that UCN always was a nightmare and not hell). Mike is still a security guard who knows the animatronics are possessed. Charlie is still the protector of the animatornics and the one who wants to stop Afton, Susie and Gabriel are still victims of William who are possessing Chica and Freddy so why would Cassidy be replaced by Andrew while everyone else are keeping their roles? I could buy the "parallel" stuff if the burnt man was "Rober Clifton" but it's still William. so why only replacing Cassidy? and if Casisdy is a parallel lof Andrew, does it mean that Cassidy got onto advnature that we never saw? or maybe Andrew was always planned to be the mad spirit which make sense because the mad spirit always contredict Golden Freddy's goal. GF and the other MCI's goal was to kill William so they could rest. Cassidy herself killed an innocent man just because she though it was William (Phone Guy). meanwhile Andrew just want to keep on torturing William by keeping him alive. and he never wanted to move on. Jake forced him to move on and last thing: last year a leaked metada showed that most of FF stories were already written during UCN development (even TALES was planned and it was even before the first teaser). which means Andrew was in Scott's mind during UCN developent
@@cheddadoodle the funny thing about parallel is that Scott said nothing about it.the parallel thing came from the fandome, especially Matpat. Scott said the opposite: some stories are directly connected to the games and we need to use them to fill the blank. and we can do this perfectly without using parllael. the books tells us what year MCI happened, what are the shadow animatronics, what is Shadow Bonnie/Eleanor's real goal, what remnant does, who is the UCN player and etc. and one of the blanks that the books are filling us is the identity of the mad spirit. So why would we need this as a parallel while the other answers are not?
Im sorry but the jittering of your avatar when you speak is giving my eyes twitches... you should really do a zoom effect.... i love your vids, but this is a common feeling and i get headaches.. keep up the good work tho sir!
Then if thats true maybe thst would expain why the blonde haired kid in the fnaf movie is a boy and not a girl like cassidy because he is NOT cassidy in the first place. The boy seems to match the personality of the vengeful spirit more plus they even look a bit similar, so maybe the blonde haired kid may actually be the vengeful spirit and not a mistake in the gender of cassidy cuz he is not even Cassidy to begin with. Then maybe we havent even encountered the actual Cassidy in the fnaf movie at all. Good theory! I never actuslly belived that Cassidy and the Vengeful spirit were the same people because the face itself dint sit quite right with me. (Sorry my english sucks a bit lol)
This is just my theory, but I believe that C.C is Sammy afton. WHO later might become THE vengeful spirit If you like to know more details about this theory please let me know.
@@killerman3715 could you guide me how C.C may be Garret or Gregory. Garret be his name? P.S. i got my theory answer from log book and used 6 years puzzle from game theory (all the method) and used the number 3. I don't remember how i used 3. (3 times or use grid chart and go backwards 3 times 🤷🏻♂️ )
I mean not really She’s the kid that ends up appearing as the Golden Freddy apparition who helps put BV back together and she ends up getting her happiest day
Have you forgotten that dead kids are aggressive towards adults and super friendly with kids, the crying child is a child and William Afton is an adult, the one who killed her. It is not contradictory in any way
The Vengeful spirit is… Crying Child he got a worse fate instead of being stabbed got bullied and abused until his head was crushed on his own birthday We know he was extremely young like a toddler which is how the vengeful spirit acts but can be calm like we’ve seen with old man consequences And for the nail in the coffin Sadness can usually turn to anger or both and guess what agony is Anger and Sadness
Fazbear frights literally confirmed vengeful spirit is Andrew Andrew how he dies is mystery Andrew only remember he attached himself to William soul to make sure William never dies The man in room 1280 story take place same time ucn and after fnaf 6
@@darktrapv.1384 okay but where is he in the main games? He should’ve been mentioned outside of custom night which is not him remember the books are canon but there not in the same universe as the games
Wait wait wait wait… I thought both Evan and Cassidy were golden Freddy because Evans head got smashed in the bite of 83 by his brother Michael and that wasn’t just regular Freddy that was golden Freddy on stage, and Cassidy was of the five missing children….right?! and she got stuffed in that suit?!? Or have I been living a lie 😰😰 because I remember a long long long long long long long time ago in the game when a light appeared it was to symbolize the animatronics souls two popped up for golden Freddy which means golden Freddy has two souls Evan and Cassidy?!? am I losing it because that’s what I’ve always thought and I’m pretty sure that light/soul theory was in a game not a fan game (I think) I’ll have to find it somewhere. OMG CRAZY THOUGH!!!! what if he uses he/him pronouns and uses a girl image to symbolize that there’s two souls?!??!? I think I’m really losing it rn-💀 Please tell me how wrong I am if you disagree with this and why because I am confused rn. If its a boy image then I’m so sorry I’m like literally losing it.
cc possesed the fredbear plush while cassidy possesed golden freddy, theres no goldenDUO bs, and most likely andrew was killed at dittophobia nightmare experiments, not in the mci from 1985
The movie is a different story than the games, a different spin on the events of the franchise. And also apparently Blumhouse watched some of MatPat’s theories as research for the movie, so his idea’s could’ve influenced the script. But I doubt that. I just think it’s because the movie is a new story, unrelated to the games.
I just wanted to address the whole Cassidy gender point. While it's true that there's a female Cassidy in the novels, Scott could have just reusued the name for a different character entirely. We know that he does that for multiple other characters after all. I understand the logbook can be seen as supporting that game Cassidy is actually female as well, but it's not enough to consider it established fact.
Good thing I brought up other evidence. I understand how flimsy the gender argument is, don’t worry. It’s honestly not even my main reason for denying CassidyTOYSHK. The personality is much more of a concern to me.
@@cheddadoodle Yeah I see your point on that, but that's just assuming that Andrew and Cassidy have to have the exact same personality, which really doesn't need to be the case if they are two separate characters. We know characters can have the same roles but different personalities in alternate fnaf universes, like Michael Brooks as Golden Freddy. The way I see it, Andrew can just have Cassidy's role of the one you shouldn't have killed, but have differences beyond that.
@@cheddadoodle I mean we're supposed to cherrypick information from different continuities. That's exactly what we do with the novels. Use what seems to apply, but not everything.
@@ItsB1998 The thing is, Scott never even said to do that. Back when the Silver Eyes first came out, he said that it wasn’t meant to be used to solve the games, it was just an AU that he could use to take characters he created and put them into new scenarios without retconning the story of the games. And going forward, that’s what the Charlie Trilogy seemed to do. It was never meant to be used as a cherry-picking guide to the games, it was just a creative outlet for Scott to tell alternative stories than what he did in the games.
@@cheddadoodle True. I guess the main issue for trying to identify the Vengeful Spirit, is we don't have enough information and actual characters who it could possibly be.
@@WinterPains Honestly, I think he’s Andrew, but the next best thing would be a game equivalent of Sammy Emily. He’d be Charlie, his own twin sister’s, pure opposite.
I agree with all of it, and I'm of the belief Andrew is TOYSNHK and OMC, also that he's the runaway... I mean, wasn't UCN meant to be FNaF 6's custom night?... I heard it was meant to be but the custom night was too big and was made into a seperate game, and the reason why I said all of this is; if FNaF 6 (+ UCN) *is* meant to be *a game* that is trying to tie up loose ends, why wouldn't the runaway be Andrew, a very important character revealed at the end to be TOYSNHK? Honestly, it feels pretty definitive. It's something I've started believing recently. It also kind of ties into Toy Chica's High School Years and the kidnapping. Also you forgot to mention another big tie between Andrew and TOYSNHK (pssst... phrasing it like that if there are people that don't want to believe the truth....) is how Andrew is able to communicate through batteries, iirc, that the Mediocre Melodies have.
@@cheddadoodle even though it technically works perfectly with Rory the problem with that is that Rory doesn’t possess or do anything in the main story
@@Sonicmid Neither does the kid in Midnight Motorist. It’s entirely possible that Midnight Motorist was made to push us in the right direction of “Afton was kidnapping kids and experimenting on them”, and there was never meant to be an identity for the people in it, but since nobody knew what the minigame meant, Scott created Rory and his family to fit the roles that he hadn’t yet made characters for.
You people are aware that FNAF has an official lorekeeper right? And he made it clear that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit. He gave every character a title in fact.
@@Candjstudios2024 No one has ever mentioned this person before, and I’ve been in every corner of the community. Did Scott ever approve them as “official”? Can I get any links to their social medias? Are you sure the title of “official lore-keeper” wasn’t just self-granted?
@@cheddadoodle he doesn't come out much. I mean would YOU have an accessible social media account if people wouldn't stop asking you about lame theories? And of course he's official he's literally a member of steel wool. He's a concept artist. Dude was at Niagara falls comicon along with Kevin and Jess. He was sipping his red wine and Holding the Carl/Mr. Cupcake prop. He was doing his impression of Carl in the FNAF world remake trailers, where he voices the character because he likes to interact with fan creations sometimes. It's also very funny because he's extremely British.
@@Candjstudios2024 I don’t know if a concept artist at Steel Wool can be considered an objective source of lore. Steel Wool themselves didn’t even really seem to have an idea about what the story was, as they said in an interview about Ruin. So all though he works at the company, he’s probably not completely correct. If someone like DaRegularSauce posted a Fnaf theory, would that be objectively fact because he works at Steel Wool? If I worked at Steel Wool and made a guess about the story, would it be correct? No, it wouldn’t. Steel Wool doesn’t fully know the story, and I’d be surprised if any of their employees did. Sorry if I come off as a little aggressive I just really suck at wording things
I'm only partially into the video, but I just want to point out that Cassidy is a gender neutral name, so I don't believe that your gender argument really holds up since it could just simply be that Cassidy is a boy in the games and a girl in the books. It wouldn't be the first time characters have had major changes from their book counterparts. EDIT: That doesn't mean that there isn't other evidence that proves that Cassidy isn't the vengeful spirit, though.
-Cassidy and TOYSHK have drastically different personalities (and you don’t even need the books to realize that) -Cassidy/Yenndo and TOYSHK being in completely different places at the exact same time (once again, you don’t even need the books to realize that) -Toy Chica Victim 6 (third times the charm, you don’t even need the books to realize that)
This doesn’t make sense tbh, we know for a fact from the books, also, Scott also has NOT confirmed himself that Cassidy is a girl or man, the male image in UCN is a picture of Scott’s son, “ITS ME” is referred to BOTH Cassidy and Evan, two of the known spirits possessing, Mike being the one in the office in FNAF 1, “ITS ME” would be from Evan, also the fact that Andrew is considered canon is pretty absurd, the books have some MAJOR changes, SL’s Yenndo is not some stand in for Golden Freddy, this theory has some pretty big holes to fill, and I am trying to be rude to prove that it’s wrong.
Scott literally created book Confirmed Cassidy is girl black long hair same book confirmed susie same girl fnaf 6 William lure her by says her dog alive
the only person with highest motivation to torture william, is the one he harm the most, rebuilt him, tear him apart all over again, again, again, again, again, again................ 1-fnaf 4 is a endless torture of a child, we know one resposible is william afton, even in dittopobhia its confirm that william is one behind soft talk 2-fnaf 4 is about reliving your wrost nightmare, over again, over again, over again......................... 3-who is the memories we play in fnaf 4?, its the crying child 4-but its was mike, the one that killed him, but is not the one revived him, break him apart, revived him again, break him apart, revived him again 5-there no blood in bite of the crying child, but there voiceline, talking about fixing again him 6-the origin of ballon boy, and the circus, show some accident happened at fallfest, absolute sure the one that died is the crying child, so now bring a question, does the crying child is a robot? 7-i have no idea, the frist robot of charlie of trilogy, cries all day even she is a robot
You know you’ve peaked when you’re Pro-StitchlineGames and your video going against the fandom’s general consensus has over 10,000 views
I'm sorry, but in order for me to like and/or believe this theory, there has to be a good role for BV instead of him just being left out of the timeline and losing relevance bc of some dumb gator mask kid.
@@Shadowmouse1234 After Fnaf 4, he’s “broken”, and a bunch of characters like Cassidy, Charlie, and Mike work together to help him “put himself back together”, which allows him to finally move on.
@cheddadoodle yeah more than that like what animatronic does he possess???
@@cheddadoodle what animatronic does he possess
@@Shadowmouse1234 Simple answer, he doesn’t possess any animatronics. Charlie just holds onto his spirit so that she can try to help him. And honestly I think that works. He’s essentially just being guided through limbo by anyone who can contact him, which seemingly allows for characters like Mike to experience his forgotten memories in their dreams.
We all know the real Vengeful Spirit is BAD BAD CUPCAKE!
AndrewCupcake > Anything else
IT'S NOT A TEHORY!!! IT'S CANON >:]
The cupcake was way more of a threat in the fnaf movie
Imagine if matpat would have seen this video
He would’ve fought back 100%
I think we all know the REAL vengeful sprit is who tf possessed Carl The Cupcake in the FNAF movie. No debate
1/4 of Susie’s soul
The vengeful spirit is just the vengeful spirit. Simple as that
Honestly that was the whole point of the video. I wasn’t trying to prove that Andrew is TOYSHK (despite the fact that I personally do believe that), I was just trying to prove that TOYSHK isn’t Cassidy. He could literally be anyone else and it would make more sense.
@@cheddadoodlewho is TOYSHK
@@chilliplayz1306 “The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed”, aka the Vengeful Spirit
Nuh uh, I think the vengeful spirit is actually the spirit that is vengeful.
@@cheddadoodle i thought of toy chica at first lmao
Holy crap, I just had a thought, what if the Vengeful spirit got burned alive somehow by Afton during Fallfest 83.
As raw as that would be
Into the pit Has 6 dead kids that kid is Andrew
The one you should not have killed is implied to be an experiment victim
Unlikely since scott made ucn before he even thought of fall-fest (I think?) but it’s a good concept!
I always headcanoned that OMC was the TOYSNHK's grandfather due to the alligator connections but tbh, I like this interpretation of his character (although I do believe that it would better story-wise to make Andrew a victim of William through the Sister Location experiments instead of the sixth secret MCI kid)
Never understood why Cassidy was considered the Vengeful Spirit when the only thing we really know about her is that she's a girl and the Spirit is a boy.
Cassidy is not confirmed to be a boy nor a girl. The animatronics say him as in the animatronic, Golden Freddy, no hate, just saying, Scott has avoided Cassidy’s gender, so you can interpret Cassidy how ever you want. And yes, Cassidy is probably most likely to be the vengeful spirit, but we don’t know 100 percent.
@phobiaanimations
Get confirmed fourth closet Cassidy is girl with black long hair
Survival logbook see picture call happiest day
You see puppet give cake to little girl black hair
Scott himself says Fazbear frights some stories directly canon games
Andrew is be William victim number 7 and the one keep William alive make sense
@@killerman3715I wouldn’t use the book trilogy to prove stuff about Cassidy, because doesn’t she possess Bonnie in the silver eyes trilogy? Michael Brooks is the golden Freddy victim there, and while Andrew could be in the games, the books aren’t necessarily completely canon to the games
@Ray.Beam_ if we don't use trilogy
Why people says Charlie is puppet and her father the one talk fnaf 6
Trilogy novel has same characters games 4 missing kids and Charlie and Henry even William appears before games
Fazbear frights canon games Andrew is vengeful spirit afton victim number 7 who get mentioned toy chica high school year
funny that there's actually zero proof of Cassidy being a thing in the games
this may a bit out there, but i believe the foxy hook being in Toy Chicas bag is symbolic of William already having manipulated Mike enough for him to be on his side. it definitely doesnt symbolize Charlie, since there is literally a puppet in these cutscenes
But how would Chica having a Foxy hook symbolize that since Afton is associated with Bonnie, not Chica
@@FrenchFrey18 the hook could represent bv
I'm surprised the ending reveal didn't bring it up, but here I go...
We have 5 ghosts that aren't Fritz, Gabriel, Susie, Jeremy, CC/Evan, and Charlie in Happiest Day.
The first 5. The ones who look like Medicore Melodies. The set that includes two different alligator-esque masks.
These would have to come from the OTHER 5 kid kill event, Dead Children Incident/Save Them Massacre. Except...while we see 5 bodies in SAVE THEM....there are 6 blood stains.
Where is the 6 body? Hard to say. Could be in one of the toys, could be in the puppets box, could be in GF. Regardless, that's a distinction. So who are these guys? The toys? Then who's number 6? JJ? The extra weird balloon boy who's actually probably a girl? Huh...probably a girl.
Speaking of extra balloon girls, JJ inspired DD. DD who...is in a major position of power in UCN. Who in FNAF World runs the...fishing minigame. Oh dear
I get that cassidy possesses golden freddy But what's odd is the fact that It shares the same appearance in hairstyle with the kid at the end of the fight nights at freddy's movie and in the dream sequence, Is also after the aunts death in the movies
Scott said that the picture used for the Vengeful Spirit in UCN isn’t meant to show how he actually looks. It was just a picture of Scott’s son.
@@cheddadoodle his son!! The for informing me on this info sir
Also the movie is not canon
@Kakikito1234 true
Finally someone puts golden freddy NOT being the vengeful spirit, he just want to be freed, just that
Cassidy is just a chill mf, not an evil booger
@@cheddadoodle also i put HE meaning the suit
8:36 I do think there might be a seventh victim, however, based on the first Toy Chica kill saying to "help her with her homework" matching how Charlie is William's business partner's daughter (meaning she'd be able to "help" william with his work).
And THEN the second story was the girl who lost her dog (susie. I was the first), I believe the TC cutscenes are for Charlie and then the MCI kids, starting with Susie.
But then...who does the hook belong to that's already in her bag, if its not Charlie?? Maybe BV as a keepsake from his first loss.
Or its a victim he took before Charlie. One he shouldn't have killed??? ;)
An.. annd.. And dRew. a
@@ikaiju-eu9wn no
I smell another underrated FNAF theorist! Fantastic video, by the way. Keep up the great work!
(Also, the outro killed me.)
1:11 What did I just read 😭
“cabbage is the golden bear scrotum”
- logbook, page 69
very underrated youtuber, you deserve 100k subs from this!
Because the books are loosely cannon as well with not considering UCN a full main game. I not even sure if Cassidy is even a cannon character.
oh, i just realized you had 300 subscribers, thats how well you edited this video!!
Here’s all the evidence Andrews the vengeful spirit
. Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie (It’s also important to that the deaths are out of order but it’s mainly meant to show that William killed six kids with one he killed before Freddy’s)
. Andrew’s representative is the puppet and is the 7th victim. This also indirectly confirms that he’s the midnight motorist kid due to the fact that toy chica does exactly what happens in that mini game
. The bear of vengeance is about William kids before the Fnaf 4 mini games
Foxy is Mike
Freddy is bite victim
Mangle is Elizabeth as a reference to the toy in her room in Fnaf 4
. Into the pit is 100% canon at this point due to it getting another book which is a sequel to the week before which is confirmed to be canon and it also getting its own game
. Into the pit graphic novel shows that there are 6 kids 4 boys 2 girls (it’s also stated in the book, however graphic novel confirms it was not a mistake It is factual.)
. Custom night is the 7 night and ucn is the 7 game so logically the 7 victim who would be the one who creates it
. There’s 7 graves in Fnaf world next to purple guy implying their kids he killed.
. In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. (the 8 is tape girl while glitch trap isn’t William He thinks he is so he considers his kills on the same level as William)
. Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”)
. Chica and mangle know the one you should not have killed it because they’re in the vents with him which means it can’t be golden Freddy because they never seen him before.
. Golden Freddy and the one you should have killed her at the same location at the same time so they can’t be the same.
. It said that he’s here and always watching implying he’s in every level of UCN Meanwhile, you can turn off golden Freddy anytime.
.toysnhk is implied to not be participating in the torture he just watches. This is also further implied by nightmare Freddy “I am remade” he remade them just so he could watch William suffer
. Golden Freddy actively tries to kill Afton. That’s not watching that’s participating.
. The one you should not have killed voice is heard in the back of the mediocre melodies. Meanwhile, we hear FredBear’s voice and it’s literally just a bunch of distorted dialogue implying it different.
. Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him. Cassidy is 100% a girl as proven the the fourth closet and the into the pit graphic novel
. Nightmare, an entity tied to the Nightmare experiments stats that "THE SHADOW FEARS ME".
"The shadow is referring to Xor/Deedee, who controls UCN. AKA, Andrew.
. Mangle say “ and always watching” implying he’s not actually a part of the torment where golden Freddy is literally an opponent.
. Toysnok and golden Freddy are treated as separate character. Toysnok is more of an Easter egg character. He appears rarely in game over screens. He also hides in the vents further adding to mangle statement of him always watching
. FredBear’s voice by Kellen Goff while the one you should not have killed his voice by Tabatha skanes
. Toysnhk uses the mediocre melodies characters golden Freddy has 0 connection to
(also if he was golden Freddy why wouldn’t he just use golden Freddy to talk through)
(Why wouldn’t they have the same voice if they were the same entity)
. Happiest day for is Cassidy meaning that they can’t torture William because they’ve moved on. Also, no golden Freddy doesn’t have two spirits. (evidence for this is that: the story was supposed to end at 3 and crying child in the encyclopedia isn’t listed in 3)
. The man in room 1280 William is only stated to have two arms, not 2 hands so the design is still consistent
. Cassidy torturing william is out of character since every instance they interact she just wants to kill him in fact in follow me. The spirits disappeared because they think William dead.
(this gets even worse if you think the princess is her in my opinion it’s a recreation of not the actual spirit. Since the old man consequences and princess quest doesn’t add anything like the real one.)
(this is going under the idea William didn’t die in the suit. Andrew just kept him alive)
. Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him.
. Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy Cassidy is a girl
. Into the pit is getting a game, which is when the 6 kid was introduced. They’re not going to remove him since Andrew’s a vital plot point to the books.
. The into the pit game is Cannon. It’s the 10th anniversary game.
. Orville line “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us.” this implies the spirit is attached to William as burn means they were burned together
. Book argument is bad because Henry came from books and was add to game and so was the mimic.
. Andrew is not a parallel to Cassidy due to the logbook showing what Cassidy is really like and she just seems like a nice person trying to help someone else. Where Andrew was mean due to his backstory and so tuation, so they’re not parallels.
. There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William.
One of the ucn songs is called eisoptrophobia an unhealthy fear of mirrors. This implies William and the one you should not have killed are the same.
Cassidy/golden Freddy is meant to be William opposite not the same as them so it can’t be them.
. In 6 you can hear William’s heart beating meaning that the person is still alive in the suit. This means that somethings been keeping him alive since he’s wouldn’t be immortal yet due to him not actually getting immortal as his plan fails in follow me
. Cassidy is incapable of attaching to Afton because they’re stuck to molten Freddy. Also doesn’t make sense for them to be able to do that because why haven’t they done that to anybody else?
. If William knew he couldn’t die then it makes his appearance in 6 make much more sense. He knew it was a trap so why would he come simple he knows in the end he’s going to survive thanks to andrew
. Nightmare Freddy knows who the one you should not have killed is implying a connection
. In the song sleep no more you can hear a heartbeat, which is more proof that ucn is a nightmare caused by the spirit who attached himself to William
. UCN is very connected to 4 and it’s implied that the one you should not have killed is an experiment victim of William.
Ucn is the game that made Nightmarionne, nightmare, mangle Jacko chica and JackoBonnie Cannon.
. Nightmarionne is UCN main icon character.
. Nightmarionne line: “I am the fearful reflection of what you have created” Nightmarionne is the representation of the experiment rooms Williams greatest achievement, a place which is literally meant to torment children and kill them. Nightmarionne likely the creation of Andrews agony.
.When you light 6 graves in PQ4 you encounter nightmarionne plush after that.
. Neddbear line: “this is how it feels, and you get to experience it over and over again”. This is how it feels part of the line implies the spirit has been in a similar place to William where they had to defend from animatronics.
. nightmare Freddy and fredbear voice line.
“ I am remade but not by you by the one you should not have killed”
“ this time there is more than a illusion to fear”
. UCN final office is the Fnaf 4 one”
. This also makes UCN narrative greater. William once fore and watched them go through tournament(the experiment room cameras in SL office) now they get to force and watch William go through torment. Until he blows up
. Mimic has spring locks in his leg which is from the jester costume he was trapped in tales is canon, and there’s a story and tails called frailty about Eleanor meaning that stitchline is meaning that Andrew Cannon
. Fnaf vr 2 grave lineups represent the order of the spirits were set free and golden Freddy is there Cassidy was set free.
Now we need to ask the question: why is golden Freddy given so much relevance in UCN?
I believe that golden Freddy/Fredbear is meant to represent Henry. Golden Freddy has all of the special abilities because of William fear of a golden Freddy because that’s the character who represents Henry in William mind
We hear UCN FredBears lines and they’re not spirit lines. They’re just pawn lines like the other.
“ let’s find a suit that’s right for you”
“There was more fantasy and fun where I came from”
The void cut scene is meant to represent William getting over his fear of Henry and what he did to him which is why golden Freddy fades away shaking violently likes springtrap
It’s also important to know that molten Freddy is the golden Freddy representative of 6 golden Freddy has a representative in every game in the original story
Fnaf 1: golden Freddy
Fnaf 2: withered golden Freddy
Fnaf 3: phantom Freddy (confirmed in the files)
Fnaf 4: nightmare Fredbear
Fnaf Sl:yendo
Fnaf 6: nobody other than molten Freddy as it has to be in the main gameplay.
bro plzzzz everywhere i go i see your comments. i dont think andrew is TOYSNHK but some of these points are rllly interesting. have you ever considered making videos ? you have a lot of compelling theories and ideas to share in comments all the time
I read your whole comment and watched the video, and I beg to differ with your opinion.
AIN'T READING ALAT
I'm sorry but using the fact that son used his son to "prove" that the vengeful spirit is male discredits ur proof and makes it unbelievable. Scott doesn't have a daughter, and he can't just use a random pic of a little girl that he got off of a search engine unless he wants a lawsuit. So the best next thing is to use his son even if the vengeful spirit is a girl.
@@TTRAP404explain
This is insane! I never saw the connection until now! Well done!
"Cassidy is the vengeful spirit!"
Scott on UCN: *he* *he* *picture of a blond/brown hair boy* *he* *he*
While I do agree that Scott made it pretty clear that Cassidy isn’t TOYSHK, he did say that the picture in UCN is not an accurate representation of what TOYSHK looks like. It’s just a deep fried image of his son.
@@cheddadoodle Honestly I still find it weird that that image was seemingly used as a reference for the goldie kid in the movie despite that. If they didn't it's a weird coincidence that they look close
@@starbonnie552 It’s entirely possible that they took inspiration from that image despite Scott saying it wasn’t an accurate representation of TOYSHK. The movie version of Golden Freddy does admittedly seem to be a combination of the roles of the Vengeful Spirit and Golden Freddy, but I think if anything that’s just because apparently while doing research for the movie Blumhouse used MatPat’s theories as a reference
@@cheddadoodle Yeah I guess that and I don't think we know if Goldie kid's appearance was made that way by Scott or something since he made the script.
Hey, quick question: is it okay if I use some of this evidence for a Reddit theory post? I can even give you credit, if you'd like.
Sure dude, go ahead!
Thanks, @@cheddadoodle! I appreciate it!
Ngl, i can say personally that even if it isn't true, i do think it is still cassidy/golden freddy. although i will say whenever i hear and see the vengeful spirit/it's voice, i always hear female and see female. like, no disrespect to scott's son but whenever i see that picture in ucn i see a little girl. not a little boy. and as for the He/Him pronouns, i kind of agree. they could be technically talking directly about the spirit, but even still if we were still using the idea that cassidy just changes her appearance even as just a ghost. she could still technically be golden freddy and the torturor. However i will say i like the way you used old man consequences, i never thought of him just actually being the consequence. so that was a cool idea and i could totally see that, as if he was that demons he was referring to. anyway yeah, i still think it's cassidy and not andrew but i do think i could see it being differently if it was more hinted at to be someone else. rather than it being just more like a parelle or just something that makes it not fit with the story as much. the issue i have with andrew is not just because i don't like the idea, but also because there are just a few too many "same difference" sort of thing going on with this kid and cassidy.
The pigpatch story in chica highschool years is the only one where the kid wasn't lured, they were straight up taken against their will, its also the only story where a character isn't lured to Chica/William's "House" Is house refering to the fnaf 1 pizzaria? I mean that would make sense, and 1 kid not being killed in the same place possibly. Or just being put through pain before dying. Either way hope this gets more context some day.
You even watch voice actor of pigpatch he releases important
Never get shown in ucn
I like your video, but I think it is pretty clear “It’s me” is from CC, and its a stretch to assume that parallel characters act exactly the same.
“It’s a stretch to assume that parallel characters act exactly the same”
Oh boy I sure do love cherry-picking information
Cc is not in golden freddy
Honestly I think that maybe the vengeful spirit might be CC/BV… Perhaps, he wasn’t targeting William but Michael? Or perhaps William did something to him in the hospital…
@@RazorStormRS well I think it’s andrew
Shut up @@Kakikito1234
Furthermore, it is impossible for Andrew to be a parallel for Cassidy because in Into the Pit we are shown 6 corpses, 5 of the MCI including Cassidy and 1 of Andrew, which implies that Andrew is not a parallel because Cassidy is in the same book.😊
Into the pit game
Get fix mistakes about 6 kids
Andrew originally dies different time of mci like garrett and Charlie
@@killerman3715 that’s a theory in the books if I am not wrong they never say that
My man, i always believed there is someone like me
oh my god i never considered pigpatch THIS IS INSANE
I just want to warn you, I used to be Jeztorr. I’m getting help now but I’m still gonna mention that because it’s very important.
@@cheddadoodle oh my god
@@cryxton3148 Sorry you had to find out this way but I’d rather not pretend I’m not a horrible person
@@cryxton3148 Might as well provide proof that I’m actually trying to be a better person. My therapist doesn’t know that I recorded these btw www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/l70yxu95ust3od0zymsxg/h?rlkey=ycgtxdd5r1cfez4vuu8youwny&e=1&dl=0
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I never thought about it that way
yknow, i kinda think, Cassidy IS Andrew
Not a parallel, not similar, literally they're the same entity
UCN's voice role for TOYSNHK was described as sounding either male or female iirc, which could make it either Cassidy or Andrew
I believe it was planned to be Cassidy, but use of "he" pronouns for the spirit and Scott himself using a picture of one of his sons, I think he switched it to Andrew so it'd be less confusing, ironically
No cus into the pit there are 6 kid One of them is Cassidy and one of them is Andrew.
Scott literally hints 7 kids
6 inside animatronics
Number 7 is keep William alive
Thought: We haven't really been given much opportunity to see "mobile spirits" in this universe. Generally, a person's "soul" or "remnant" or whatever you want to call it is stuck to the method of their death, unless artificially removed (as the series told us with the Funtimes). Is it possible that the vengeful spirit was killed in the Springtrap suit? This would explain why they became 'intertwined' after William's springlocking, and also might be why they're so vengeful, since we know that a springlock failure is an utterly brutal way to die.
It seems to me like this might be a mirror of Michael's "You won't die" moment. Michael, presumably due to exposure to residual remnant from the scooping process, is able to pick himself back up and continue to live after the Ennard endoskeleton leaves for greener pastures. But if characters who die are capable of just "possessing themselves" as I believe the Game Theorists put it, we would have an outbreak of the living dead. There has to be an external source of remnant for this self-possession to occur from what we've seen, and for this universe to remain consistent.
Theory: William killed one more child, one that never really interacted with the others because it was stuck to the Spring Bonnie suit, which itself was hidden behind a false wall in the back room. During the events of the FNAF 3 minigames, where we see William panic and hop in the Spring Bonnie suit when faced with the spirits of his victims, it always struck me as odd that William was, well, there. It seemed like what he was doing was disassembling each of the animatronics, presumably for the remnant experiments that led to the Funtimes (though putting together a coherent timeline for the madness that is FNAF oftentimes feels like an exercise in futility).
It could be that this child was particularly bitter, not only because of how agonizing their death was, but because they were a runaway, and their death was never acknowledged by anyone (hence why every reference to the missing child incident refers to 5 children). It was locked in the Spring Bonnie suit, but out of animatronic mode, and had already resigned itself to bitter helplessness. William approached, crank in hand, ready to disassemble the suit and harvest what remnant he could. Obviously the spirits of his other victims had better ideas, showing up at the last moment. William, in a panic and falling into old routines, put on the Spring Bonnie suit, the walking block of fabric and metal that had always made him feel unstoppable.
The erased child, the forgotten one, the one William shouldn't have killed, finally had their chance. Marshalling all the energy they had after decades of stagnation in a back room, one springlock snapped shut. And once one springlock snaps, well, we all know the rest of the story. William is trapped in a prison of his own making, and dies, his major organs punctured, his face only supported by the robot's endoskeleton, bones shattered. Only to hear a sinister whisper.
"You'll come back. You'll always come back."
And so he woke back up, agony wracking his entire body, feeling the pain of dying all over again, as the spirit of the child killed before him in the same suit forced his spirit to linger, dragged him back into his body. Was this Hell? Was this someplace even worse? He would spend yet more years waiting to be found; every time he died, his useless muscles twitching, his ravaged nerves searing, he came back.
He always came back.
In my opinion, while this does mean we have to account for an extra victim nobody noticed during William's initial rampage, it DOES explain a lot about why William came back, why he doesn't die, why he "always comes back." To me, especially telling is the line "No matter how many times they burn us," which implies to me that not only was the spirit present during the burning at the end of FNAF 6, but also during the fire at the end of FNAF 3. It also explains why William was even in the position of getting stuck in the Springtrap suit. Just like the other animatronics, he was trying to harvest remnant from it, just after all the others. Maybe he was reticent to take that particular suit apart because of its role in the murders; perhaps he was wary about potentially exposing evidence of his old activities to others who might investigate the restaurant.
Either way, I think that this can actually line up to make a lot of the evidence you provided make sense, while also explaining why the Vengeful Spirit (not Cassidy) is inextricably bound to William. It also gives an explanation for William's "I always come back." Imagine if you died multiple times a day, but every time woke up in just as much pain, with a spirit whispering in your ear "You'll always come back" until that phrase is the only thought ringing in your skull. It always seemed to me that "I always come back" wasn't really a triumphant phrase, but really just a statement of fact for William. He knows he'll be back.
You know what, after watching this video I now finally believe that Cassidy is not the vengeful spirit or the one you should have killed and i just believe that Cassidy put of UCN and trying to killed William.
Glad I could convince someone that Cassidy isn’t evil 👍
6:51 you know a few days ago I was thinking kinda the same thing but mostly different
I don't believe in AndrewTOYSNHK because all the evidence is right: Cassidy is nice to the crying child and is a girl while TOYSNHK is a boy and is mean to William, it could be any spirit, but If I made this comment it's to discuss one argument in particular: "Cassidy's personality is inconsistent so he's not TOYSNHK" every fnaf character has an inconsistent personality so this argument doesn't work
Here’s all the evidence Andrews the vengeful spirit
. Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie (It’s also important to that the deaths are out of order but it’s mainly meant to show that William killed six kids with one he killed before Freddy’s)
. There’s 7 graves in Fnaf world next to purple guy implying their kids he killed.
. In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. (the 8 is tape girl while glitch trap isn’t William He thinks he is so he considers his kills on the same level as William)
. Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”)
. Chica and mangle know the one you should not have killed it because they’re in the vents with him which means it can’t be golden Freddy because they never seen him before.
. Golden Freddy and the one you should have killed her at the same location at the same time so they can’t be the same.
. It said that he’s here and always watching implying he’s in every level of UCN Meanwhile, you can turn off golden Freddy anytime.
.toysnhk is implied to not be participating in the torture he just watches. This is also further implied by nightmare Freddy “I am remade” he remade them just so he could watch William suffer
. Golden Freddy actively tries to kill Afton. That’s not watching that’s participating.
. The one you should not have killed voice is heard in the back of the mediocre melodies. Meanwhile, we hear FredBear’s voice and it’s literally just a bunch of distorted dialogue implying it different.
. Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him. Cassidy is 100% a girl as proven the the fourth closet
. Nightmare, an entity tied to the Nightmare experiments stats that "THE SHADOW FEARS ME".
"The shadow is referring to Xor/Deedee, who controls UCN. AKA, Andrew.
. Mangle say “ and always watching” implying he’s not actually a part of the torment where golden Freddy is literally an opponent.
. Toysnok and golden Freddy are treated as separate character. Toysnok is more of an Easter egg character. He appears rarely in game over screens. He also hides in the vents further adding to mangle statement of him always watching
. Fred Bear’s voice by Kellen Goff while the one you should not have killed his voice by Tabatha skanes
(Why wouldn’t they have the same voice if they were the same entity)
. Happiest day for is Cassidy meaning that they can’t torture William because they’ve moved on. Also, no golden Freddy doesn’t have two spirits. (evidence for this is that: the story was supposed to end at 3 and crying child in the encyclopedia isn’t listed in 3)
. The man in room 1280 William is only stated to have two arms, not 2 hands so the design is still consistent
. Cassidy torturing william is out of character since every instance they interact she just wants to kill him in fact in follow me. The spirits disappeared because they think William dead.
(this gets even worse if you think the princess is her in my opinion it’s a recreation of not the actual spirit. Since the old man consequences and princess quest doesn’t add anything like the real one.)
(this is going under the idea William didn’t die in the suit. Andrew just kept him alive)
. Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him.
. Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy Cassidy is a girl
. Into the pit is getting a game, which is when the 6 kid was introduced. They’re not going to remove him since Andrew’s a vital plot point to the books.
. The into the big game is Cannon. It’s the 10th anniversary game.
. Orville line “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us.” this implies the spirit is attached to William as burn means they were burned together
. Book argument is bad because Henry came from books and was add to game and so was the mimic.
. Andrew is not a parallel to Cassidy due to the logbook showing what Cassidy is really like and she just seems like a nice person trying to help someone else. Where Andrew was mean due to his backstory and so tuation, so they’re not parallels.
. There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William.
One of the ucn songs is called eisoptrophobia an unhealthy fear of mirrors. This implies William and the one you should not have killed are the same.
Cassidy/golden Freddy is meant to be William opposite not the same as them so it can’t be them.
. In 6 you can hear William’s heart beating meaning that the person is still alive in the suit. This means that somethings been keeping him alive since he’s wouldn’t be immortal yet due to him not actually getting immortal as his plan fails in follow me
. If William knew he couldn’t die then it makes his appearance in 6 make much more sense. He knew it was a trap so why would he come simple he knows in the end he’s going to survive thanks to andrew
. Nightmare, Freddy knows who the one you should not have killed is implying a connection
. In the song sleep no more you can hear a heartbeat, which is more proof that ucn is a nightmare caused by the spirit who attached himself to William
. UCN is very connected to 4 and it’s implied that the one you should not have killed is an experiment victim of William.
Ucn is the game that made Nightmarionne, nightmare, mangle Jacko chica and JackoBonnie Cannon.
. Nightmarionne is UCN main icon character.
. Nightmarionne line: “I am the fearful reflection of what you have created” Nightmarionne is the representation of the experiment rooms Williams greatest achievement, a place which is literally meant to torment children and kill them. Nightmarionne likely the creation of Andrews agony.
.When you light 6 graves in PQ4 you encounter nightmarionne plush after that.
. Neddbear line: “this is how it feels, and you get to experience it over and over again”. This is how it feels part of the line implies the spirit has been in a similar place to William where they had to defend from animatronics.
. nightmare Freddy and fredbear voice line.
“ I am remade but not by you by the one you should not have killed”
“ this time there is more than a illusion to fear”
. UCN final office is the Fnaf 4 one”
. This also makes UCN narrative greater. William once fore and watched them go through tournament(the experiment room cameras in SL office) now they get to force and watch William go through torment. Until he blows up
. Fnaf vr 2 grave lineups represent the order of the spirits were set free and golden Freddy is there Cassidy was set free.
If Andrew is the way should’ve killed, what’s golden Freddy’s roll: simple while Cassidy is in the vegetable spirit. They still hate William however instead of wanting to torment him, they just want him dead. After from molten Freddy they somehow figure out that William is still alive so they pull up to the hospital bed and hop in his nightmare possessing paw version of them despite their attempts to kill, William doesn’t work because he keeps coming back eventually OMC pulls up and tells to just give it up and move on as Andrew will inevitably learn the consequences of his actions.
They agree in the void cutting represents the fact that they’re angry because after William beats 50/20, he blows up and escapes however they know it’s no longer their business and Andrew has to deal with the consequences of his actions which he does in Fazbear frights
Or my personal favorite idea/interpretation. the golden Freddy /FredBear and the void golden Freddy in UCN is actually Henry who was trying to kill William however, got caught by Andrew and forcefully taken out of UCN which is why shaking angrily
@@Sonicmid that's what I was saying, his arguments do not suggest that Andrew is the vengeful spirit they just suggest that the vengeful spirit is not Cassidy, if I made this comment it is to talk about a argument in particular not all
also can you stop spamming every video/comment saying that Andrew is the vengeful spirit? everyone has different opinions so there's no point spamming every comment/video that talks about TOYSNHK
@@docrilas this is proof that he is tho
@@docrilas Andrew is the vengeful spirit because he’s the kid who’s literally describe as being vengeful and inside William
@@Sonicmid dude,i believe that Andrew is in the games i just don't believe that he's TOYSNHK
i really like your Yenndo part of this theory, i always connected it to Golden Freddy and Cassidy, glad you agree! you bring some valid and interesting points but i think the pronouns do not matter as much as we think they do. Cassidy could be any pronouns for all we know, doubtful but a possibility. and i think from the stitchline books, we are supposed to apply the personality of Jake onto Cassidy, as well as the reason they stick around w Andrew. but use Andrew as a parallel for how they work in the suit, and for that BV is Jake. a little confusing but Scott didnt wanna go out and spell it for us, but when you think about it like that, it makes a lot more sense.
I always thought the vengeful spirit image looked like a boy
I have a long-standing thought that MatPat inadvertently ruined the FNAF theory fandom. Everyone looked to him for guidance and he rarely backtracked on his theories. There have been multiple videos of his that I don't agree with, but so many in the FNAFandom take it as fact despite Scott never confirming anything outright. I dont know, it's something I think about a lot and wonder where theories would be if MatPat did Slender instead of FNAF...
I don’t have anything against MatPat, but I completely agree. Many people took his word as fact when they were only ever just theories, just as valid as anyone else’s
The vengeful spirit was Shadow Freddy perhaps? Or at least, Shadow Freddy was formed from him.
Vengeful spirit attached himself to William
Vengeful spirit is Andrew
Who the hell is Cassidy, then?
The kid who became Golden Freddy and ended up getting the Happiest Day party
cassidy/golden freddy is basically a spirit that wants to be freed, and most likely doesn't want to harm afton
im a cc plushie, goldenfreddycassidy/benelovent spirit and andrewVSomc believer
How is this so unpopular?? I loved this theory!
9.5k views is pretty popular to me
This is why i dont like not having official lore and when people say that theories are what maked it enjoyable. No it doesn't, not by a long shot. It doesnt because theories are constantly getting changed and disproven by someone else. I want the actual story, not theories that a constantly changing and no one can stick to.
Maybe three spirits are in golden freddy Cassidy,The crying child, and the vengeful spirits
The thing about that is Golden Freddy seems to be a ghost, and a ghost can’t be multiple entities because it’s one person’s manifestation
What about scurvily breach princess quest. The princess is named "cassdiy" in the game files, and the game is about defeating afton in one way or another. Or i could be wrong
Vengeful Spirit wants to keep Afton alive
The Princess wants to kill “Afton”
@@cheddadoodle Not exactly, we know the princess is cassidy becuase of the chica staring at us in the mini game. Also to prove another thing wrong with your thing is the 7th victim is true, Where would he put both victims
@@cheddadoodle Also if there the same why would one kill when the other wants to save him? you saying i cant tell
@@cheddadoodle RESPOND
@@MegaDonut the vengeful spirit does not want to defeat afton. it wants to torture him. it did not intervene on anything he did, it just wants to cause him as much pain as possible. cassidy meanwhile seems to want to get rid of him and help free vanessa as she is a helpful, nice person. defeating glitchtrap and freeing vanessa from the mind control is not a vengeful thing. your argument does not make a counter point, it actually makes sense to the theory and strengthens it.
Honestly probably the only way I'd accept Andrew being VS. Cause it makes sense that the alligator kid is related to you know the alligator and not the giant golden bear he has no connection to whatsoever. Even if I think the foxy hook is just the CC (death is never actively seen so it might have been an indirect kill.) probably the best way someone has put it.
Stitchwraith epilogue 6 confirmed Andrew agony possessed foxy too
@@killerman3715 Isn't that revealed to just be Elenor or something. Or implied or something
@starbonnie552 elenor inside the agony =William mega with toys and somethings affects by Andrew agony
Hear me out. What if the security puppet's mini game where Charlie possesses the puppet isn't a retcon to the save HIM mini game in fnaf 2? What if they're two separate events that happen to be similar?
the fnaf 6 ending puts the obvious part that the two events are the same but showed in different circustencies
i heard in a theory once that Michael was the vengeful spirit
I highly doubt it. VS seems to be a kid that William killed, but Mike was an adult when he died, and it wasn’t directly William’s fault. Mike seems to want William dead, but VS wants to keep him alive to torture him.
@@cheddadoodleThe theory goes on that Michael was being forced to work at Fnaf as a Nightguard by william
When he died, his agony won't let him dies, his "agony" is to take a revenge to his father.
In UCN, Michael torture william by making him become a night guard just like Michael, William did michael by his order
Not sure if it's true
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. FIRST WE THOUGHT IT WAS CASSIDY THEN C.C NOW ANDREW. THIS IS PAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN-
Maybe he’s Sammy Emily or smth
@@cheddadoodle Hmmm that could be true.
@@cheddadoodle I know this is late but I just realized that we're basically opposites. I support CassidySpirit and despise AndrewSpirit while you support Andrewspirit and hate CassidySpirit
As one of the OG Andrew = the mad spirit supporter, I want to say that this is great video! very based
and I want to add another thing: let's assume that Stitchline is not in the games (which i think it is i nthe games). so when a characters appears in both games and books, they keep on the same role. William is still the serial killer who murdered children and ended up burnt being tortured by a spirit of his victim (and sound files confirm that UCN always was a nightmare and not hell). Mike is still a security guard who knows the animatronics are possessed. Charlie is still the protector of the animatornics and the one who wants to stop Afton, Susie and Gabriel are still victims of William who are possessing Chica and Freddy
so why would Cassidy be replaced by Andrew while everyone else are keeping their roles? I could buy the "parallel" stuff if the burnt man was "Rober Clifton" but it's still William. so why only replacing Cassidy? and if Casisdy is a parallel lof Andrew, does it mean that Cassidy got onto advnature that we never saw?
or maybe Andrew was always planned to be the mad spirit which make sense because the mad spirit always contredict Golden Freddy's goal. GF and the other MCI's goal was to kill William so they could rest. Cassidy herself killed an innocent man just because she though it was William (Phone Guy). meanwhile Andrew just want to keep on torturing William by keeping him alive. and he never wanted to move on. Jake forced him to move on
and last thing: last year a leaked metada showed that most of FF stories were already written during UCN development (even TALES was planned and it was even before the first teaser). which means Andrew was in Scott's mind during UCN developent
Parallel logic is so reliant on cherry-picking
@@cheddadoodle the funny thing about parallel is that Scott said nothing about it.the parallel thing came from the fandome, especially Matpat. Scott said the opposite: some stories are directly connected to the games and we need to use them to fill the blank. and we can do this perfectly without using parllael. the books tells us what year MCI happened, what are the shadow animatronics, what is Shadow Bonnie/Eleanor's real goal, what remnant does, who is the UCN player and etc. and one of the blanks that the books are filling us is the identity of the mad spirit. So why would we need this as a parallel while the other answers are not?
@@tomast7339Before I answer to everything else, show me the proof that the metadata talked about FF preceding UCN
Maybe the real vengeful spirit are the friends we made along the way
Im sorry but the jittering of your avatar when you speak is giving my eyes twitches... you should really do a zoom effect.... i love your vids, but this is a common feeling and i get headaches.. keep up the good work tho sir!
Then if thats true maybe thst would expain why the blonde haired kid in the fnaf movie is a boy and not a girl like cassidy because he is NOT cassidy in the first place. The boy seems to match the personality of the vengeful spirit more plus they even look a bit similar, so maybe the blonde haired kid may actually be the vengeful spirit and not a mistake in the gender of cassidy cuz he is not even Cassidy to begin with. Then maybe we havent even encountered the actual Cassidy in the fnaf movie at all. Good theory! I never actuslly belived that Cassidy and the Vengeful spirit were the same people because the face itself dint sit quite right with me. (Sorry my english sucks a bit lol)
i think the vengeful spirit isn't really golden freddy if we think about it
Fnaf fans ignored fact first fnaf golden freddy spirit is little call Michael
More funny same book cassidy her first appears
This is just my theory, but I believe that C.C is Sammy afton. WHO later might become THE vengeful spirit
If you like to know more details about this theory please let me know.
Literally c.c name hints is garrett close to Gregory
Vengeful spirit Confirmed be Andrew/vengeful spirit who possessed William afton before fnaf 6
@@killerman3715 could you guide me how C.C may be Garret or Gregory.
Garret be his name? P.S. i got my theory answer from log book and used 6 years puzzle from game theory (all the method) and used the number 3.
I don't remember how i used 3. (3 times or use grid chart and go backwards 3 times 🤷🏻♂️ )
@@skyspiritlight921 movie gives us c.c name is garrett
Didnt scott say that the genders were interchangeable or am i just imagining that
CASSIDY IS SOOO COMPLICATED..
I mean not really
She’s the kid that ends up appearing as the Golden Freddy apparition who helps put BV back together and she ends up getting her happiest day
Have you forgotten that dead kids are aggressive towards adults and super friendly with kids, the crying child is a child and William Afton is an adult, the one who killed her. It is not contradictory in any way
And andrew is agressive towards everthing, so its contradictory yes
@@Wizardjones69 Yup, Cassidy is aggressibe towards the Aftons and security guards, not randos in the streets and kids
The Vengeful spirit is…
Crying Child he got a worse fate instead of being stabbed got bullied and abused until his head was crushed on his own birthday
We know he was extremely young like a toddler which is how the vengeful spirit acts but can be calm like we’ve seen with old man consequences
And for the nail in the coffin Sadness can usually turn to anger or both and guess what agony is Anger and Sadness
Fazbear frights literally confirmed vengeful spirit is Andrew
Andrew how he dies is mystery
Andrew only remember he attached himself to William soul to make sure William never dies
The man in room 1280 story take place same time ucn and after fnaf 6
@@darktrapv.1384 okay but where is he in the main games? He should’ve been mentioned outside of custom night which is not him remember the books are canon but there not in the same universe as the games
@ImChili fnaf security breach you see fetch Easter eggs
Fetch is one of animatronic Andrew possessed
Into the pit game connected to stitchwraith
@@darktrapv.1384 so?
@ImChili better then cassidy and Henry who never mentioned games
Princess quest is don't count
They remove cassidy name because she not princess
Fucking hell. Andrew graves is the vengeful spirit god danm I Can’t Take Anymore
TAKE ANYMORE
TAKE ANYMORE
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Finally someone else who agrees!!!!
I go with andrew runaway with coming home parallel (so, MM has to take place in 1986, after andrew was kidnnaped)
Midnight motorist takes place in 1983 however, it is about Andrew. He’s taken to the nightmare experiments for 2 years.
Wait wait wait wait… I thought both Evan and Cassidy were golden Freddy because Evans head got smashed in the bite of 83 by his brother Michael and that wasn’t just regular Freddy that was golden Freddy on stage, and Cassidy was of the five missing children….right?! and she got stuffed in that suit?!? Or have I been living a lie 😰😰 because I remember a long long long long long long long time ago in the game when a light appeared it was to symbolize the animatronics souls two popped up for golden Freddy which means golden Freddy has two souls Evan and Cassidy?!? am I losing it because that’s what I’ve always thought and I’m pretty sure that light/soul theory was in a game not a fan game (I think) I’ll have to find it somewhere. OMG CRAZY THOUGH!!!! what if he uses he/him pronouns and uses a girl image to symbolize that there’s two souls?!??!? I think I’m really losing it rn-💀
Please tell me how wrong I am if you disagree with this and why because I am confused rn. If its a boy image then I’m so sorry I’m like literally losing it.
cc possesed the fredbear plush while cassidy possesed golden freddy, theres no goldenDUO bs, and most likely andrew was killed at dittophobia nightmare experiments, not in the mci from 1985
@@Wizardjones69 Thank you so much that just cleared like everything up for me.
Yea, the movie disproved that.
The movie is a different story than the games, a different spin on the events of the franchise. And also apparently Blumhouse watched some of MatPat’s theories as research for the movie, so his idea’s could’ve influenced the script. But I doubt that. I just think it’s because the movie is a new story, unrelated to the games.
Ok
Movie like silver eyes trilogy
Has nothing games lore
No, it didn’t. The golden Freddy kid in the movie isn’t even Cassidy. It’s a different guy.
Movie himself like au
Michael is not afton
Golden freddy spirit is new kid
Cassidy is not even vengefull she is like charlie
Okay but like you’re literally right tho
hey, I want to know, is fredbear golden Freddy?
Imo, Cassidy was stuffed into the Fredbear suit, but she doesn’t possess it. Instead, she manifests as a ghost, Golden Freddy.
@@cheddadoodle oh ok, thank you
I just wanted to address the whole Cassidy gender point. While it's true that there's a female Cassidy in the novels, Scott could have just reusued the name for a different character entirely. We know that he does that for multiple other characters after all. I understand the logbook can be seen as supporting that game Cassidy is actually female as well, but it's not enough to consider it established fact.
Good thing I brought up other evidence. I understand how flimsy the gender argument is, don’t worry. It’s honestly not even my main reason for denying CassidyTOYSHK. The personality is much more of a concern to me.
@@cheddadoodle Yeah I see your point on that, but that's just assuming that Andrew and Cassidy have to have the exact same personality, which really doesn't need to be the case if they are two separate characters. We know characters can have the same roles but different personalities in alternate fnaf universes, like Michael Brooks as Golden Freddy. The way I see it, Andrew can just have Cassidy's role of the one you shouldn't have killed, but have differences beyond that.
@@ItsB1998 That honestly really just feels like a way to cherry-pick information.
@@cheddadoodle I mean we're supposed to cherrypick information from different continuities. That's exactly what we do with the novels. Use what seems to apply, but not everything.
@@ItsB1998 The thing is, Scott never even said to do that. Back when the Silver Eyes first came out, he said that it wasn’t meant to be used to solve the games, it was just an AU that he could use to take characters he created and put them into new scenarios without retconning the story of the games. And going forward, that’s what the Charlie Trilogy seemed to do. It was never meant to be used as a cherry-picking guide to the games, it was just a creative outlet for Scott to tell alternative stories than what he did in the games.
Oh yeah
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I think princess Cassidy and drowning Cassidy are canon
It is entirely possible and I will not deny it
@@cheddadoodle :3
Princess cassidy not canon
Help wanted 1 and 2 there no cassidy inside files
Princess quest 4 you see cassidy grave
What if the Crying Child is the Vengeful Spirit?
Crying Child isn’t a victim of William.
@@cheddadoodle True. I guess the main issue for trying to identify the Vengeful Spirit, is we don't have enough information and actual characters who it could possibly be.
@@WinterPains Honestly, I think he’s Andrew, but the next best thing would be a game equivalent of Sammy Emily. He’d be Charlie, his own twin sister’s, pure opposite.
I agree with all of it, and I'm of the belief Andrew is TOYSNHK and OMC, also that he's the runaway... I mean, wasn't UCN meant to be FNaF 6's custom night?... I heard it was meant to be but the custom night was too big and was made into a seperate game, and the reason why I said all of this is; if FNaF 6 (+ UCN) *is* meant to be *a game* that is trying to tie up loose ends, why wouldn't the runaway be Andrew, a very important character revealed at the end to be TOYSNHK? Honestly, it feels pretty definitive. It's something I've started believing recently. It also kind of ties into Toy Chica's High School Years and the kidnapping.
Also you forgot to mention another big tie between Andrew and TOYSNHK (pssst... phrasing it like that if there are people that don't want to believe the truth....) is how Andrew is able to communicate through batteries, iirc, that the Mediocre Melodies have.
I’m more of a RoryMM type of gal
@@cheddadoodle even though it technically works perfectly with Rory the problem with that is that Rory doesn’t possess or do anything in the main story
@@Sonicmid Neither does the kid in Midnight Motorist. It’s entirely possible that Midnight Motorist was made to push us in the right direction of “Afton was kidnapping kids and experimenting on them”, and there was never meant to be an identity for the people in it, but since nobody knew what the minigame meant, Scott created Rory and his family to fit the roles that he hadn’t yet made characters for.
You people are aware that FNAF has an official lorekeeper right? And he made it clear that Cassidy is the vengeful spirit. He gave every character a title in fact.
What?
@@cheddadoodle Five Nights at Freddy's has had an official lorekeeper since 2018. Cole/Brightshadow.
@@Candjstudios2024 No one has ever mentioned this person before, and I’ve been in every corner of the community. Did Scott ever approve them as “official”? Can I get any links to their social medias? Are you sure the title of “official lore-keeper” wasn’t just self-granted?
@@cheddadoodle he doesn't come out much. I mean would YOU have an accessible social media account if people wouldn't stop asking you about lame theories? And of course he's official he's literally a member of steel wool. He's a concept artist. Dude was at Niagara falls comicon along with Kevin and Jess. He was sipping his red wine and Holding the Carl/Mr. Cupcake prop. He was doing his impression of Carl in the FNAF world remake trailers, where he voices the character because he likes to interact with fan creations sometimes. It's also very funny because he's extremely British.
@@Candjstudios2024 I don’t know if a concept artist at Steel Wool can be considered an objective source of lore. Steel Wool themselves didn’t even really seem to have an idea about what the story was, as they said in an interview about Ruin. So all though he works at the company, he’s probably not completely correct. If someone like DaRegularSauce posted a Fnaf theory, would that be objectively fact because he works at Steel Wool? If I worked at Steel Wool and made a guess about the story, would it be correct? No, it wouldn’t. Steel Wool doesn’t fully know the story, and I’d be surprised if any of their employees did. Sorry if I come off as a little aggressive I just really suck at wording things
I'm only partially into the video, but I just want to point out that Cassidy is a gender neutral name, so I don't believe that your gender argument really holds up since it could just simply be that Cassidy is a boy in the games and a girl in the books. It wouldn't be the first time characters have had major changes from their book counterparts.
EDIT: That doesn't mean that there isn't other evidence that proves that Cassidy isn't the vengeful spirit, though.
Give me conclusive proof, I'm sorry I personally think that you need a bit less book reliancy to convince me.
-Cassidy and TOYSHK have drastically different personalities (and you don’t even need the books to realize that)
-Cassidy/Yenndo and TOYSHK being in completely different places at the exact same time (once again, you don’t even need the books to realize that)
-Toy Chica Victim 6 (third times the charm, you don’t even need the books to realize that)
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This doesn’t make sense tbh, we know for a fact from the books, also, Scott also has NOT confirmed himself that Cassidy is a girl or man, the male image in UCN is a picture of Scott’s son, “ITS ME” is referred to BOTH Cassidy and Evan, two of the known spirits possessing, Mike being the one in the office in FNAF 1, “ITS ME” would be from Evan, also the fact that Andrew is considered canon is pretty absurd, the books have some MAJOR changes, SL’s Yenndo is not some stand in for Golden Freddy, this theory has some pretty big holes to fill, and I am trying to be rude to prove that it’s wrong.
*insert logbook cassidy happiest day image*
and so the man in room 1280 literally puts that 2 minds are inside in ucn, afton and andrew
Scott literally created book
Confirmed Cassidy is girl black long hair same book confirmed susie same girl fnaf 6 William lure her by says her dog alive
the only person with highest motivation to torture william, is the one he harm the most, rebuilt him, tear him apart all over again, again, again, again, again, again................
1-fnaf 4 is a endless torture of a child, we know one resposible is william afton, even in dittopobhia its confirm that william is one behind soft talk
2-fnaf 4 is about reliving your wrost nightmare, over again, over again, over again.........................
3-who is the memories we play in fnaf 4?, its the crying child
4-but its was mike, the one that killed him, but is not the one revived him, break him apart, revived him again, break him apart, revived him again
5-there no blood in bite of the crying child, but there voiceline, talking about fixing again him
6-the origin of ballon boy, and the circus, show some accident happened at fallfest, absolute sure the one that died is the crying child, so now bring a question, does the crying child is a robot?
7-i have no idea, the frist robot of charlie of trilogy, cries all day even she is a robot
but moltenmci is not a theory, we were literally shown that it is the case
They’ll kill me if I tell them the truth
I mean...it is still technically a theory, that same book had cassidy as bonnie so.
oh and that dumbass jeremy replacement micheal brooks as golden freddy.
@@chaoraiser2338 so?