Why Weren't You Told This Disturbing Fairy Tale As a Child?
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As a german it's actually weird how this video brought up much of the graphic, brutal details i've heard growing up with these stories. Details long forgotten, locked behind in a deep corner of my mind. From the sisters cutting off their toes and heels, getting their eyes picked out, to the step mother beheading the son and tricking the daughter.
Edit: Thank y'all for all your stories and own experiences and also for keeping it civil in the comments. I read almost everything and it was a delight. ^^
Ashputtle.
Genau mit diesen "grausigen" Erzählungen bin ich auch aufgewachsen und als Kind fand ich das gar nicht so schlimm. 😀
@@GerdLPluu Struwwelpeter was'nt even the worst one for me, i hated the story of the girl who played with fire and burned to death. I was way too scared to light up a match or even hold it for years afterwards lmao
Max und Moritz von Wilhelm Busch (Geschichte mit den Hühnern) war mega gruselig.
Hallo, I love german stories! My grandmother gave me some old children's books from the 1800s and the illustrations are super freaky but cool, the stories were quite brutal
Red leather slippers make way more sense.. imagine how dangerous glass slippers would actually be..
Actually, when Perrault transcribed the tale from an oral tradition, he made a mistake. The teller described the slippers as [i]vair[/i] and he wrote it down as [i]verre[/i] - glass. [i]Vair[/i] is squirrel skin. That's right - Cindy went to the ball in fuzzy slippers.
they were really made of resin
@@davidneil5124 Cindy))))))
@@davidneil5124 That's actually pretty cool ☺️
Yeah, imagine wearing them, stepping wrong and having them shatter, mutilating your foot... Oof
I grew up with the original German versions. The gore freaked my out mum way more than me. I guess as a child you really have no concept for „dancing in red glowing shoes until you die…“ to me those were just words, that got filled with horror much later in life.
yes I can remember having heard the old Grimm stories too and it oddly wasn't really horror as a child
Yeah it's pretty weird. I remember reading these Tales when like 7 and didn't find them disturbing. Maybe bc children arent that capable of understanding violence until later
That's a great way to explain it
Oh, yes you have. Kids are evil.
People are always terrified of children hearing brutal things, but I've said it for years - in large part because I remember my childhood mind better than most - kids are scared by visual imagery, not arrangements of words.
I've read many of these stories, but not all. I always found their origins to be extremely intriguing and disturbing. I feel like reading the real stories as an adult is a great metaphor for how innocence is lost as you grow older.
Are u Refering to the Fairitailes collected by the Grimm Brothers, well many of them are kind of "beautyfull" but just as many are kind of "disturbing" but u have to keep in mind that death was much clother to daily life back in the day..
but this deosn't explain everything, I think in part deteriation ist an important point in this stories.
But thats just my humble opinion......
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There’s a great CZcams Chanel called “Jon Solo” who dissects and the fairy tales and myths and legends. You should have a look.
I've seen you before on droodles stream lol
Innocence and naivety correspond. Some people never lose it lol
I will never cease to be amazed by Thoughty2's dedication of creating his own stock footage for these videos. Truly amazing.
Wait for real? Thats so cool
Writing: Bevan Rees
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We had Grimm a home, a Dutch translation of the original German text. With pen drawings of Anton Pieck. The guy who designed the Efteling. As soon as I could read I started reading the stories. My favorite one was and is: The Story of the Youth Who Went Forth to Learn What Fear Was.
And personally I thought the fairytales of Hans Christian Andersen were the frightening ones, not Grimm. Read the little mermaid, it’s gruesome.
Ik heb hetzelfde boek. Om als volwassene terug te lezen was redelijk bizar 🤣
If you're interested in something just dubiously "completely different" on the disturbing scale... I might recommend you read up on "Tomino's Hell"... AND before you go directly after a translation of the actual original poem, get the background about it... It's a cool legendary "cursed poem" according to Japanese Lore... AND rather than spoil anything further, I'll just wish you "good hunting"! ;o)
I think that one story was what made me actually interested in creepy/horror-stories. I remember hearing it on a Cassette as a child over and over again.
Interesting that Andersen was a 19th century man, not of the Middle Ages. Of course he tried to emulate the earlier style, but nonetheless… we were reading them to my son for whom we’d bought a nice big illustrated version, and halfway through I’m thinking…. This is demented…
The Little Match Girl dies! And that's HCA's happy ending.
Also remember that sometimes words are lost in translation, so when the story was translated from French (la chaussere fer)= The Fur slipper, we are presented with what the translator heard (la chaussere verre)= the glass slipper. Very 'thought provoking', Thoughty! Thank you
Actually vair/verre was the confusion 🐸
@@alicelopes4693 my husband spergs on me too. It was Fer. Means fur. Old French, yes. Vair means a fur. 'Variegated' Like a mink stole. No matter what, it actually sound more fantastical with verre in its place. 👍 cheers!
@@sarahmccollum3694 That's not what I learnt in my "Ancien Français et Littérature" studies here in France. I'll stick with what my university teacher taught me. By the way, "vair" is still a word and still means "fur"; it was taught to me at school as a kid, about "homonymes": verre, ver, vair, vert, vers etc.
Plus the word "fer" exists, too, and means "iron", so the confusion would lead to metal shoes I guess...
Never thought I would have this kind of debate here on a foreign video and in English. CZcams can be fabulous. Cheers too 🐸
I grew up in germany with the original stories ... honestly no big traumas, Thoughty2 you should take a look at "Struwwelpeter" a children book, that every german knows too well
A great work by the Frankfurt doctor and psychiatrist Heinrich Hoffmann.
haha i googled it and the cover made me freeze in fearful memories of a known character from 80s xd wish i knew german
All the more hilarious that it was written by a psychiatrist.. but then, it has never been a merciful profession lol
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"no big traumas" ww2 *couf* *couf* "global warming" *couf couf* "wearing face diaper to super market"
My dad read H C Andersen to me when I was a kid. Sure, it wasn't the original Grimm brothers but they were hardly Disney material.
Yeah, he wrote the little mermaid but his story were far darker then Micky's version.
Personally do I think that kids could use a little scare. Maybe not cannibalistic stories filled with sex but a bit of scary stuff and not just stories where everyone lives happily ever after. The stories do teaches them a little about life after all and when everything always ends happy no matter what you do set up some expectations.
So maybe show the kids "The secret of Nimh" besides stories like Frost and if you read to them, throw in a H C Andersen story now and then.
Protecting the kids too much from the world is dangerous and telling them everything will be find no matter how bad decisions you make is setting them up for future failing.
You can of course correct this by sending them to a military school instead but that seems a bit unnecessary.
I don' t know. A little discipline never hurt anybody.
Gosh, I love The Little Mermaid (the original HC Andersen story), and I am always so broken-hearted at the end. He also wrote The Little Match Girl, which I really liked. I know Andersen was religious and he wanted to find something good out of something bad. But all I can think is, that poor little girl! I used to have a book of his growing up. My mom had books of English Fairy Tales, The Grimm Fairy Tales, Greek Myths, Nordic Myths. I was kind of surprised when I got to college that people actually take classes in order to read these stories, I had read them all by the time I was 12, and I kept reading Grimm my entire life. Good stuff.
@@BlackSeranna Old Hans Christian was not only religious but also a bit of a weirdo. Then again, aren't most great authors weirdos?
The match girl was probably more of a social comment of his time, Victorian Copenhagen had a lot of poor people (like most western cities at the time) and I think that just like Dickens he wanted people to notice the problem.
I did real the Norse stories and a few Greek as a kid too, but never the original Grimm.
And it is a shame that kids only learn the Disney versions, the original story of the ice queen for instance is a really interesting tale (Overly sarcastic productions talks about it on their channel).
H C Andersen stories are relatively new but some of the Grimm stories have been told for many centuries. Like the Rat catcher for instance, it seems to be very loosely based on an incident in the late 1200s.
And there is something almost magical about reading an ancient story to your kids, it is a very different experience to putting on a movie or a kids show. It is probably something as old as language itself.
Hmm, I guess there is room for a fairy tale channel on CZcams that tells all these old stories so they wont be forgotten.
Many of the fairy tales were to scare the hell out of kids to keep them in line as well as life lessons (teaching stories). As they grew older they would learn they weren't real but were also old enough to not wander into trouble.
Think Santa Claus today
@@duanesamuelson2256 Santa Claus includes some bribery though so it is slightly different (as does the tooth fairy and Easter bunny).
Fairy tales were a bit more like your mom warning you for stranger danger and telling you that kids who aren't careful will disappear.
Add in some urban legends into it as well.
But I think the original reason for them was to entertain the kids. Often you had an older relative watching the kids and cold winter days with poor lightning there was little for the kids to do so telling them stories was a way to both entertain the kids and everyone else for matter.
We do know that many cultures had story traditions for grown ups as well, Vikings skalds and Irish and Welsh bards telling stories about the past, of heroes and Gods. With no TV it was an easy way of entertainment and a great way to preserve knowledge.
So the grownups had stories like the Icelandic Sagas about real people and about Gods and heroes like the stories of Hercules and Cuchulain. It makes sense that some of these stories were made for kids as well.
I think the church killed of many of the stories for grown ups in most places besides Ireland but since the fairy tales were for kids they were probably fine, particularly if you added in a bit of Christianity here and there.
Grown ups had the Bible stories after all but you had to be rather mean to forbid stories for kids.
So in short o I think fairy tales were more of an entertainment thing, the scaring the kids straight part was an optional perk while things like Santa is more a way to bribe kids to behave. Crampus on the other hand is more like the fairy tales since he was more pure scaring the kids straight while telling an interesting story.
i'm german and these fairytales were all read to me in the original version. :D btw the grimm stories weren't written for children actually, people just started telling them to kids to make them scared of doing morally wrong or dangerous things bc it worked even better on kids than on adults.
I tell the real dark version of Disney Fairy Tales to my young nephews and nieces to scar them intentionally. Helps with their growth.
Needless to say, their parents weren't impressed.
Doesn't matter, a good slap of reality in the face toughs them up more.
Yes, scaring kids helps them. #hailsatan
@@foopadr9076 awww thank you ;^;
Nothing wrong with a frision of terror. Kids enjoy it, knowing they are safe at home.
Just as the german fairytail "Hänsel und Gretel" Thoughty mentions as well. In fact the story is diturbing. Two kids becoming phisicaly abused and commit a brutal homocide as revenge.
Fairytails do have an, well shall I say "odd" sapect to them.
Well Labyrinth taught me that Fairy's are evil creatures sooo.
It's not fairy tales or odd. It's how people acted back in the days. It's simply describing reality.
@@foopadr9076 yeah, and the ever present evil stepmother "trope" exists because very many women died in childbirth back in the day, because they had $h*t hygiene and medical "services" or how to put it
One version of Hansel and Gretel was that the boy threw his sister in the fire and the witch too and had the candy house to himself
I'm almost deceive by that wording of fairy tale
old German Fairytales as a whole were absolutely crazy back in the day. Even I got told/read some of them as a child
Yes, me too. I got told quite a lot of the pre-Disney versions. But they stem from a time where a public beheading was reason for a family outing. We call those tales crazy because our standards are so different from those some centuries ago.
black forest area was (is?) scary
I've actually gotten into a fight with friends about hansel and gretal. They refused to believe that it was their parents who abandoned their kids in the og tale. (I was like 13 at the time - wouldn't fight with them about it now 😅).
Tell them to read a book instead of arguing the truth
I knew their parents. They were good folks. They missed their kids everyday. Don't spread misinformation.
The version I read was it was the stepmother who wanted to abandon them. The father is so sad but he has to bring his kids out in the forest to leave them to die. I grow up believing in the evil stepmother cliche. Of course when I grow up, I know it is both their real parents, but I remember as a kid, I will be horrified if I think my mum will kill me.
me and my ex besties got into a decent fight a long time ago about disney flicks being absolute lies and being misleading and absolute rubbish vs them being true and necessary . i won cause i told them that films like those are based on peoples imaginations and a fantasy world created to make people pay to watch them cause of parents having kids and to sell costumes . i'd rather have the truth then disneys lies and crappy movies
As a kid I had this two huge red books full of fables with some having drawings and one of them had this story set in ancient japan where a samurai is hunting down a giant rat in a village near Edo that kidnaps, kills and eats travellers and villagers. It was really graphic describing the monster dragging people away and devouring them. It ended in the samurai chasing the rat through the streets to some unknown tunnel where the beast had set up lair. Being horrified by all of the remains on the floor he attacks the creature and though losing an arm manages to kill it with a spear. After his wounds where tended to by the surviving villagers the unknown man leaves the town at sunrise a few days later and even though nobody knew his name, where he came from or where he went to he became a legend, his story being told to this day - at least to 1990 where the book was printed.
This story had a few of those drawings, the rat dragging away what seemed to be a young man, the samurai running into a dead end while chasing the rat which managed to escape him at that point and finally him finding the monsters lair, what appears to be the dead end of an old mining tunnel, the ground being covered in puddles of blood, bones, skulls, body parts, torn clothes, a few corpses and finally the ginormous rat covered in blood having what might be intestines hanging from it's mouth. Let's say I was slightly horrified and found out some time after I got internet that this was actually a version of a japanese folk tale which was pretty interesting, that rat is actually supposed to be a yokai.
Did you ever read Saki's The Boy Who Drew Cats? It's a fantastic story, but it was written by a guy who was in WWI and he died in the trenches. I believe the Japanese revere this author, but I never hear anyone talk about him. The Japanese have some of the most intriguing folk stories, and I get the feeling many of them are grounded with some kind of truth. As for giant rats, I never believed I would see a giant rat until I worked at a granary in Indiana. I saw a rat that was... it was bigger than a cat. Giant. Its buddies were bigger than a cat. They were terrifying because rats can chew through anything, and these ones were living off the tons of corn we stored. My mom told me when she lived in Mexico (it was 1959), that sometimes there would be years where rats just explode in population. So, during that time, there were stories of rats getting into cribs and chewing the ears or nose off of babies. Later, when I grew up on a farm in Indiana, my mother always had lots of cats living in the corn-storage barns so that we never had rats.
@@BlackSeranna As I've wrote that giant rat is actually supposed to be a Yokai plaguing that village. My mom once told me she encountered this huge rat as big as an arm in a barn.
I sadly never read this story you mentioned but I guess I'll look for it.
Japanese Lore is absolutely rife with craziness... It's well worth venturing after, and enjoying... From the Shirime (which cracked me up, if I'm honest)... To "Tomino's Hell", they have a hugely varied and rich folk lore as full of deeply disturbing substance as it is full of antics and just plain weirdness... ;o)
@@nbHawkeye Saki also wrote another really great story, not a fable but more of a comedy piece, called the Schartz-Metterklume Method, which, no matter which time period it happened in, is still pretty funny today.
you sure it was a samurai and not a witcher? I'm obviously joking, but the story is similar... Now, a giant rat is something else, kinda bored with "dragons kidnapping and eating princesses" (funny how dragons are a force of good in the east, but in the west... You have St.George killing a dragon, St.Patrick driving out snakes from Ireland... where's this "racism" against dragons and reptiles coming from?! I kinda suspect where, but I'm not saying, because people these days are thin-skinned and get offended by everything... I'm not affraid to offend, because offense is taken, not given, but I want to spare myself the drama of butthurt people, I've got enough as is)
In the earlier stories of Cinderella her slippers were made of "vair" - an archaic word for squirrel fur. The word "vair" was later misheard as the word "verre" which sounds the same but means "glass."
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I've read the original sleeping beauty story. It was originally called Sun, Moon and Talia. Was a disturbing story
I remember reading Brothers Grimm as an 8 year old and being fascinated with the violence. I am so glad you did a video on this, it was great. Well done.
"being fascinated by (the) violence" isn't something you'd want to admit publicly >:D
6:17 : i grew up with the story of the sister cutting their toes and heels off to fit inside the shoe.
i was so confused when found out some people never heard that before
I know that one too. Give the child me such a shock. I still enjoy telling ppl now how the real Cinderella story shd be
You never fail to terrify and intrigue me both at the same time. Love it.
How is it 25 mins ago when dis video is just uploaded
Time travel ⊙_______⊙
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I love old Grimms fairy tails, and German stories. My dad read them to us as kids, the non cleaned up versions. Slavics also has some very interesting tales, although they are very hard to find, as they were passed down my mouth.
hey! don't pass slavs down your mouth! (:D) (honestly, slavs deserve more representation... and no, russians are not slavic, their finno-ugric, they're closer to hungarians and finnish people)
@@ArinJager1 lol passed down my mouth, oops. Oh what is slavic then?, cuz everyone says its russian here. My sister in law, also my best friend is Hungarian and the language and look of them is quite different from russian. (Hungarian sounds much more Asian, like a mathematical type of language) We have quite a bit of hungarians here in canada.
When I was born my Mom was a substitute teacher, by the time I was 4 I was a very fluent reader and I would always get books from people. One of the books I received was a compilation of twisted dark fairy tales like the decapitation scarf story. I don't think it was read prior to it being gifted to me, obviously. I was probably around 6 or 7 when I read this book. Unfortunately I can't remember what it was called but it was softcover and quite a thick read. Maybe 500 pages worth of weird tales like these.
As a German born in the 90ties I grew up with the violent tales :). I never thought about them as too violent as a kid, for me they were basically just stories with warnings. I loved Hans guck in die luft, strubbelpeter, suppenkasper, ect..
And I was a big fan of Greek Mythology :).
I don’t know if the *yule lads* count as a “disturbing fairytale”….
But I DO know that they don’t get nearly enough exposure in the world!! They need to be incorporated into EVERY holiday!!🤣❤️
What was one.. window sniffer or something like that🤔😀?
They are kind of scary henchmen. I only found out about them last year when I was in Island. Scary! But cute names.
I'd take yule lads over santaclause or baby jebus anytime (fat dude climbing down chimneys, or baby jebus giving presents makes no sense... yule lads make more sense)
I have the originals by the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen . My father read them to me as a child. 😂 That made for a pleasant nights sleep
I just played Resident Evil 2 in front of my little brother.
That worked.
my father only made me kneel in the corner for minor offenses... once he even flushed my head in the toilet (like a bully he is)
I had a book of children's stories I got from my grandmother that had some gruesomeness and it had several versions of little red riding hood. In one she didn't even have the red hood. It was a golden hat or hood and when the wolf tried to eat her the hood burned his mouth to char. I found the old versions of tales a lot more entertaining than the sanitized version we now have.
If you like fairy tales check out Mercedes Lackey's Elemental Masters series. Each book is inspired by a fairy tale but set in a historical time ( such as before WWI, the 1800's, the san francisco earthquake, etc) and the series is excellent.
Fables (a comic book series) is good, too ^^ (gee, when was the elemental masters written? 1995... superficially it sounds a lot like Avatar the last airbender, it must've been inspired by that... avatar by e-masters, I mean)
@@ArinJager1 actually they are better. They are books I have read several times and still enjoy them.
I am not that old and the books I read as I child contained exactly these stories. Told in a nonchalant way they don't sound that disturbing. You just accept this as a fairy tale and don't put too much thought into it.
Funny thing is, I distinctly remember reading the real versions of some of those fairy tales as a kid. Idk how but I got my hands on the original endings. While they disturbed me I did find them more impactful message-wise. I understood how Cinderella's stepsisters were willing to mutilate themselves to trick the prince for riches and how that was wrong, that honesty would trump all. Or how the little mermaid refused to kill the love of her life even at the price of her own death, and was rewarded for her sacrifice with some form of immortality (tho that tale can also work as a lesson of "don't try to change yourself just to get close to someone, be yourself"). So Disney's versions were pretty weaksauce in comparison lmfao
The origionals served to scare kids to keep them in line and wandering off. When they were old enough to figure out they were just stories they also were old enough not to wander off etc.
There is definitely a teaching story component to many if not most of them also...that you remember life lessons as an adult from them shows how effective they are.
Even the Billy goats gruff story has life lessons...talk yourself out of trouble and make sure the strongest in your group is the one to face the threat. I guess it says something about people that we teach strategies and tactics to our youngest members.
@@duanesamuelson2256 nowdays you have peppa pigs and such that only teach kids to be rowdy and to misbehave >.>
I grew up with these brutal versions too.I remember in a kindergarten in a small town i went to there was a fairytale reading assembly and the teachers included highly disturbing things for a shy 3 year old like me, including cinderella's stepsiters cutting off their toes, their eyes being picked out and so on. They also brutally highlighted death of any sort, which lead to kids hiding in closets because they were scared.
This was happening in Romania.
Appreciate your insight, made me realise why I was so fearful as a child, having paranoid mentally unstable parents didn't help, but I love the way you deliver info. I've always struggled with self acceptance due to being such a sensitive soul! You are truly my favourite youtuber thank you for helping me reinstall faith in myself and be a good influence to my 8 year old daughter! Bless up! :)
Despite all that you raised an 8 year old daughter which you should be proud of :).
@@DEVILTAZ35 bless you I appreciate you saying that. I have to be honest I had my second nervous breakdown and gave her to into her dad's care when she was 3, experienced another 2 nervous breakdowns and only just recently addressed my disease of addiction and stood up :) I can't take credit for her upbringing being easy so far, change is happening tho :)
It’s also worth noting that there are a lot of small nursery rhymes that kids sing full of joy that actually portray very horrific events. One example of this is the “ring a ring a Rosie” nursery rhyme which is actually referring to the Black Death and directly refers to death by saying “we all fall down” at the end. However, I’ve heard a version of that nursery rhyme that has an extension where they get back up, but I don’t remember how that part goes because I only heard it once many years ago...
Great video as always! I love to just watch your videos anywhere, including when class work gets just that bit too boring (I’m still technically learning, but in a better way in many different aspects. And yes, I’m partially referring to your video named “Why school makes kids dumb”).
I always knew the version of Hansel and Gretel where it is their parents who wants to get rid of them; but I do remember being really shocked when I read the darker versions of Red Riding Hood.
When my children were small, they were given a very expensive illustrated book of fairy tales. I tried to read some of them at bedtime to my little ones, but the stories were so unpleasant they didn't want to listen to the end so we gave the book away very quickly. It was a book of stories from a much older source called the Bible.
I wonder how much gratuitous detail was added because the Bible is not particularly graphic in its details and generally even the most gruesome aspects are quickly passed beyond in the very next sentence. The rape and eventual carving of a woman's body at the end of Judges is stated as a mere matter of fact, as is the sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter, the death of David's nephew after colliding with the back of a spear with such force that it emerged from his back, killing him, a king who suffered from a disgusting bowel disease that killed him, and many other incidents. None of these are described in great detail in Scripture itself.
It's amazing the history behind some of these fairy tales, it's acually amazing. Great content as always thoughty!
I took a course in college on fairy tales, myths, and legends. It was literally the MOST interesting course that I took my entire time in college. The prof was so smart and got us thinking about what these tales actually meant. She also told us many of the original tales along with what they are today. The most interesting fact about a lot of them is the word “eat”. Back then, the word it eat in tales meant r*pe. I thought this was interesting because I noticed that a lot of them talked about children being eaten by an animal or a person. The big bad wolf is a great example of this. The wolf wasn’t actually a wolf, he was a man. He wasn’t out to eat little red riding hood, he was out to SA her. This tale was brought up because SA was a huge problem. Especially, in the woods where a lot of criminals would hide out. Parents wanted their children to be safe and stay out of the woods. So this tales was told to children over and over again. I’m sure there are other reasons for the origin of the story but, that was the main reason the story was told.
I remember growing up reading the original stories like Cinderella’s sisters cut off their toes and how the wood cutter cut the wolf open in Red Ridinhood and filled it with stones and then threw him in the river. I read them all in Spanish growing up and to this day I wondered I wasn’t like afraid or traumatized by it, I guess I loved how macabre they were without really realizing it 😂
I am german and my father read out for me the original "Grimms Märchen" when I was a child and as soon as I could read, I reread them by myself. There are so much more graphic ones not mentioned here! I am good with it. :-)
so are you aryan
@@jackryanTV I would prefer if you didn't associate that term with me. The Nazis misused it and it's inappropriate for central or northern Europeans anyway. It has nothing to do with the topic here. No, even though I'm German, I don't call myself an "Aryan". And I don't want you to call me that. Thank you!
Aryans are iranic peoples not germans.
@@darshanahewage8018 Yes, while Indo-Europeans are loosely connected to these "aryan" tribes, a person from the Iran is more "aryan" than any other on this planet.
I would LOVE to see you do longer, more in-depth documentary style videos. Obviously not as a weekly thing, but maybe a special paid monthly thing? Idk but I love your work!
The funny thing about Snow White (because I just recently reread it amidst the Disney/Dinklage kerfuffle) is that the part about the wicked queen dancing in hot iron shoes until she dies is literally just a single throwaway sentence at the very end of the story. Not really worse than Hansel and Gretel pushing the old witch into an oven, where she burned to death, writhing in agony.
There's a whole documentary on this about how the tales were spread by merchants on the silk road to all the western world. Most of them rhymed and were often sung. Great graphics that lend to a better understanding. Thanks for the Nazi connection. Good work.
You did this very well, thank you for your insights. I'm a subscriber to another CZcamsr named Jon Solo. His channel is Messed Up Origins where, like here, he delves into the origins of fairy tales and other lore to get to the core truths behind them. It's really interesting. Thanks again.
Jon Solo is cool
I watch him too!
I'm a Solo cub myself and I looooove Messed Up Origins! It's so great, and so it's this channel
So I am German and most of these 'graphic' details are still told to the children today! Mainly the cutting off from their feet in Cinderella, red rinding hood etc. But as a child it never seemed as something graphic or disturbing to me, just stories to be told. But then again it's true my parents used to call me names from the fairy tales when I was acting like the characters...
Love watching your videos because of the way you bring the stories and facts, it's a joy.
I do believe that the facts you present are accurate, but I would love if you could start linking some of the sources you use for the videos down in the description. Thank you Thoughty2, for making our days better!
I definitely was given an old copy of Grimm's when I was just starting to read. I loved scary stories, and was obsessed with mythology/folklore from around the world when I was in elementary school. I also liked trash like Goosebumps, too, of course, and fell in love with Stephen King and Jack London by middle school.
I tried to give my anthology of Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark to my nephew (10), and my sister-in-law quickly shot that down. :< Those stories are just fun!
jokes and comedic timing were on point this episode really enjoyed it, good work homie
I had a cd in the late 90s/early 2000s with Cinderella and The Yellow Dwarf. The Cinderella version was the one where her mom was the hassle bush, and by the end the birds pecked the step sisters eyes out. The second story about the Yellow Dwarf made me terrified of holding my breath, since the princess in the story got so unhappy she held her breath til she died. Up until I was 11 or so, having the hiccups was a struggle. (My parents never listened to the cd, they just assumed it was child friendly since it saud Fairytales haha!)
Great vid Thoughty. A channel I could watch all day especially a wet and blustery Sunday. I’m off to check audible for the brothers Grimm. Loved your book. Will there be more? Greek or Roman history would be amazing as well as Persian or Chinese, Mongul. The list is endless and I’d buy them all.
I thank my ancestors for compiling a treasure trove of ancient wisdom, because human nature never changes, only the technology we use does, and we need to know these timeless tales exactly as they are 😊
I doubt most children today even get read these Fairy Tales! Sad!
I never looked into them. So, thanks for bringing up the ancient past! There are always 'pasts' that are hidden.
They do just by the A.I nanny or youtube searching, heck a stroll on youtube kids would give exposure to each and every one of them in their cleaned up version of course. But yeah by their parents YEAH RIGHT and that was your premise to which I agree 100%
back when i was a grader, 11yo nerd me managed to pick up a copy of grimm, back then all i could think was "where's the happy disney version of this? this is too depressing to read, i'm reading one suffering after another." i never touched the book again. fast forward 2022, i'm no longer surprised of this video. but i still love intelligent videos, so..
Back in the '60s, my grandmother read fairy tales of this sort to me and my sister. Some were pretty brutal. She read them from several books that were probably over 100 years old at the time. We loved the stories, but I can't imagine reading them to my grandkids today. When my grandmother died, the books disappeared, I assume some older relative got them.
Thoughty2 has influenced me so much that I've started doing random history facts on my social media accounts 😂🤣 love the content keep it up
He did a video about the Fuggerei in Augsburg. At that point I lived in Augsburg for about 2 years and didn't know about it xD
lol you will drive people crazy. I keep getting told to shut up when i mention them in conversations lol
Absolutely terrifying, I love your content and you always makes my day better😊
Shoutout to Sri Lanka
damn how did u watch an 11 min vid in 10secs
Love love love Grimm's Fairy Tales! I never saw the original Grimm's until I became an adult, and it opened my eyes to the horrors of the past! Fascinating stuff!
Jon Solo goes in so much detail about fairytales and folk stories on his channel LOVE IT😍
Immediately I saw Thoughty2, I jumped on it right away❤️🦅
The current controversy regarding snow white and the seven dwarfs is disturbing.
Fairytale: "Her skin is white as snow."
Hollywood: "we need a hispanic woman because representation matters."
Peter: "I can't differentiate between a mythological character, and myself, so the seven dwarfs have to go as well."
We need CGI dwarves because we are too cheap to pay real ones.
I'm German and here it's quite common to read the more original and brutal fairytales. As a child I actually never thought much about it and only once I was a bit older I went like 'ohhh okay, isn't that a bit too bloody' lol.
There's also this German children's book with story collections called 'Struwwelpeter' (my grandma had an edition at her place and I was obsessed with the rhymes in it). It's just as gruesome (like a boy gets his fingers cut off by a guy with scissors because he keeps sucking his thump).
And there's also a story book called 'Max und Moritz' and there, two boys who play pranks on the villagers basically get made into cookies.
One of my most prized possessions as a boy was a 3-inch thick, dark blue hard cover copy of the complete collection of the Grimm Brothers fairy tales. I read that book many times from beginning to end and can still remember daydreaming about fairy tales and being transported to distant European medieval lands. Kid movies like Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Mary Poppings completed the daydream fantasies. Years later when I moved to Austria and became fluent in German, I picked up a copy of the Grimm Brothers fairy tale anthology in German, which turned out to be a REAL eye opener! The German version consisted of one dark, violent nightmare after another. Far from being lulled to sleep by fantastic, magical fairy tales, where good always triumphed over bad, where the innocent, virginal, child-like princess always lived happily ever after with her Prince Charming, where the evil stepmother always got banished from the kingdom by a fat, round, good-natured king, German-speaking kids were being terrorized by tales of children getting their limbs torn from their bodies, getting their eyes pecked out by ravens, being boiled alive in fiery cauldrons, having their beating hearts torn from their chests, having their fingers and toes chopped off by meat cleavers - even I was traumatized! In the German version it was the wicked stepmother that often prevailed, it was the ugly, wart-covered witch who was being harassed by a couple of spoiled, disobedient brats who greedily ate down her gingerbread house and therefore deserved to be punished.
When I discussed this with my German and Austrian friends, they were surprised to hear about our sanitized Disney version of the Grimm fairy tales and could see nothing weird or outrageous about the German version. To them it was completely normal. Well, I thought to myself, this explains A LOT of the differences between our two cultures...
The grimm brothers stories were particularly dark. The seven sisters is wonderfully bleak. Nursery rhymes normally have a basis in tragedy too. Ring-a-ring-a-roses, is about the plague. A pocket full of posies drowns out the smell of necrotic flesh. Nice
Well, when all of life is bleak, you make a joke. You always see soldiers joking about dead bodies. That's because there's nothing left to do, and if you let it sink in, you go mad.
@@BlackSeranna yep, its even got a name. Gallows humour.
ahhh, now THAT was a great video. interesting, informative, and not a stitch of propaganda. good one thoughty2!
When I think of Fairy Tales, I think history conveyed in the most horrific way possible. Also, Jon Solo's Messed-Up Origins series. I think you did a wonderful job of presenting an overview of the general vibes of old folk tales, and it was all pretty fresh from the content I'm used to.
When I read an "unedited" version of the "complete" collection of Grimm's Tales (translated, Classics Collection), the WORST one, in my opinion, was Fletcher's Bird.
I remember as a kid (1970's) having some old leather bound fairy tale books with one or two drawings here and there of some of the more gruesome versions of these stories and a few of them scaring the crap out of me a bit. I'll have to go through some of the family storage boxes of our old books and see if I still have them. Now I wonder how old a printing they were.
One of your best videos ever, watched a series on Netflix's about this subject. Well done my moustachioed Wikipedia...
I've always said that it's not healthy having been told these happy tales, to grow up and find life doesn't have a 'happily ever after'. Perhaps society shouldn't sugar-coat stuff for kids.
With all the true crime shows on tv and the internet in general, I’m pretty sure “sugar-coating” won’t be the case much longer.
The problem is that children aren't always mentally equipped to handle and process certain things yet. A small child wouldn't understand why some people get a "happy ending" and some don't and would worry if they would get one. It is better to create a happy and safe environment and foster a positive mindset for them through positive reinforment, which can be done through stories.
Telling children horrible things too early creates damaged and unhappy adults.
I remember my mother (who grew up in Canada) telling me how my Great Grandmother would tell my Grandmother and her sisters these gruesome fairy tails at bed time. I grew up thinking it was a Canadian thing.
The Grimm brothers first published these stories as more of books for adults. When they heard that kids were reading them (and of course, parents complained to them about the ribaldry), they put out new additions that were softened. I would love to see a first edition of the books they first put out, though. I bet they were something.
Anyone else really want to see Quinton Terintino's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves? Actually sounds pretty good 😂🤣
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Huge fan of ur way of narrating a story i wish u all heartedly all the very best for ur future projects
I'm from Europe and when I lived there, I had a book with all these stories and it was my favorite book ever. I must've red it so many times and I remeber to this day how disturbed I was the first time I read them. And this book was meant for children....
شكراً لأنك تقدم هذا المحتوى الجميل و الراقي 💜💜 . ماضل شي على 50ألف مشترك أخوكم ZINE من العالم الثاني😔😔💜 ....
I don’t know how you were allowed to use the word rape and child abuse in a CZcams video without the algorithm immediately taking your video down… But you did!
Great video thank you for shining such light that is to understand these stories more often I thought that they could have needed more to these stories but thanks to you now I know more and can appreciate them alot more
I've heard all of the fairy tales listed in this video when I was a kid, even the one where Hansel and Grettel got eaten by the witch and the one where they tricked the witch before barbecuing her. Perreault's Cinderella originally had a fur slipper before a mistranslation turned the slipper from fur to glass.
I actually have a copy of the brothers grim fairy tales, which i used to read when i was a kid.. I never really had much of a idea how brutal some of the tales are until i grew up.
That's why I liked the series Grim so much. They explored those stories very well!
I miss that show so much.
@@Deangirl86 Me too. 😕
"King's foot fetish". Maybe it was written by Tarintino, after all.
lmao good one!
what as a austrian i grew up with mostly "original" fary tales cuting off parts of feed, drownig pople ...rübezahl, and so on... i loved these storys 😊
no reason to protect children from stuff if they can deal with it
most the new stroys for children are just booring from wimps for wimps to raise wimps
My dad used to read me grim fairy tales, specifically the version where in ashen puddle (or Cinderella) the stepsisters cut off parts of their feet.
"King's obvious foot fetish" damn thoughty,you really knew how to make us laugh
I wonder if the idea for this video came from my previous comment on the hemlin video ^^
Anyway props for another cool video! Tho fairtails are one thing I happen to know A LOT about 😍
Love this dude. I really miss the Rif channel also. Not the abusive sponsorship, just the good content.
That ending was just splendid bro!
Really enjoyed this one. Thank you and keep up the great work
i was obsessed with these original dark version of fairytales when i was in elementary school for some reason
When I was a child, my mother would relate some horrific Spanish fairy tales. Interestingly, quite a number of them were in the form of sad lullabies. Coming from Spain, many were based on legends from the old Moorish kingdoms and some must have even gone back to the days of the Visigoths (those darn Germans with their horrific stories).
One spine-chilling and tear-jerking lullaby told the tale of a king who killed his daughter because she wouldn't give up her virtue to him. He buried her in the garden, and a tree grew over her unmarked grave. The tree would mournfully sing as the princess, telling any unwary fruit picker how she used to be a human.
That stuff was traumatizing.
Your episodes are always so well told!
when i was a kid in the ‘50’s, i still heard that “the boogieman will get you” if you don’t watch out. he was more of a fairytale 🧚🏻 by then, like a scary story on Halloween. :) 🎃
One of my favorite tales is Celtic in origin - "Fair, Brown, and Trembling." Also, another story similar to "Cinderella", but with an interesting final act.
I actually grew up with some of these gruesome stories. When I was little I got a fairly tail collection book from my father, he got it when he was little. The thing about the stepsisters cutting off parts of their feet creeped me out back then but on the other hand I never thought twice about how little red riding hood and her grandmother got eaten by the big bad would and saved by getting CUT OUT OF HIS STOMACH. Childhood stuff in Germany👍 I'm not even that old, I'm only 23 and heard stuff like this as a kid
I was told all the full versions as a child. All German kids were. And none had any issues because of it. I was incredibly surprised when I first read about people suggesting that traditional fairy tales are unsuitable for children. And to be honest, I do not think that a healthy, stable child should be negatively affected.
The quality of your videos is always breathtaking
I knew the Dark Versions of Goose Maid, Hansel & Gretel, Snow White, and Cinderella before this video. But the others never heard of.
I kept my fairy tale book, and thought I’d read it to my children. But when I got to the end of “The Goose Girl”, I got a rude surprise. My parents had changed the ending. The evil servant who had usurped the princess’s life, was put in a barrel with nails hammered into it, and rolled down a hill! My blood ran cold, and I was extremely grateful that my parents had protected me from such an horrific deed.
Always informative, factual and entertaining, Thanx Thoughty!
as a german kid... I read some of the old fairy tale books we had at home whenI learned to read.... they were deeply disturbing. from the old russian books where the tzar got tricked into jumping boiling oil by a pegasus riding youngling the tsar tried to kill with nonsensical challenges (I believe that one later even got a cartoon movie) to max and moritz being grinded down into grain and the serial killer level of body count in struwelpeter stories....
I have fond memories of reading the unaltered Grimm's fairy tales as a child, whilst visiting my (great great) Auntie Doll. My particular favourite was the original Cinderella. I would often think of it as I tried on new shoes... "at least I don't have to chop any toes or heels off to make these fit!"
I grew up with the grim version of theses stories in my childhood. It was interesting to learn part of the history behind it.
Thank you for ghe great and content