🔥Welding the Heaviest Rust we Could Find
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Thanks to the viewer who requested this episode on welding rusty, nasty, garbage material. Today we're showing you how to use a cellulose stick rod to weld through the thickest rust we could find.
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I love how he sounds personally hurt over having to weld rust
Shit ain’t pleasant to work on.
In school we welded on rust all the time. Be man and get thru it. That’s what is welders do
Daryl Daniels hahahaha
When you invest to learn and make a career on welding it usually is to get access to better paying jobs and that involves tests and liability on what you are doing, so welding on rusty junk grabbed off a field is what you don't want anything to do with.
Anyone can stick some junk to rig sh1t on the farm hahaha
@@LMSILVIA dad actually used that as a test for welders in interview
“Stanky paint” licks random piece of greasy steel flake,”I better not taste that”. Love watching this guy. He’d definitely doing this video under protest lol
Should someone warn him not to lick greasy rusty steel flakes? I figure the rule about not licking the windows in the school bus has some merit so maybe there should be a comparable rule for welding?
🤣🤣
Shit had me fuckin weak had to find a comment about this, wtf did I just witness dawg
Gotta taste it to find out if it's lead paint or not
This guy is the real deal...so relatable!
6011 is known as "Farmer's Rod" around these parts. Cow crap, rust, paint, all sorts of gunk, it'll hold it together and get you through the day!
#fatrod
I thought it was 6013
@@ruedaricardo
6013 is a universal kind of stick
6011 /6010 is the kind that digs
in any event
6010/6011 is pipeliner rod for deep pen on the root pass, yes it also digs through crud but its chunky rough and prone to blow through.
6013 is "farmer rod" but more because it is all position, easy to use, strong enough for most tasks, and unlike 7018 it doesn't need continuous oven storage or hermetic packaging to get its rated properties. (It still helps to give it an hour at 220f if it is old and been around humidity.)
i repair dumpsters for a living, and let me tell you, welding through 2 layers of paint, a thick layer of trash grime, and with paper thin rusty steel means i might as well build them a new dumpster from scratch lol.
I rebuilt an old trailer. Half its mass is 7018.
@jami w Easier to but more time consuming to weld them with stick, if it's in decent shape you can run mig or if you're replacing old with new metal you can run mig (because it's brand new steel). A single good pass is all you really need, they don't need to pretty thery're dumpsters
@jami w Flux core burns a bit too hot imo, when you're trying to work with material that's fraction of what is supposed to be
I can't even, garbage juice reminds me of my time in the Army. Kudos to those who have to weld through that stank.
Sounds like my rotten thin john deere mower deck and wagons I done it was hard the first time trying because the metal was full of rot holes and just about shot metal kinda not worth welding but it's all I have
“I better not taste that”
preps that should be Tested , By cutting through The stock to point out the weld characteristics & whether the seal as suffered a crystallisation the welding prose Or it's , age
mMmm Lea Thompson my dream girl
I think its guaranteed its going to fail. but its going still to be strong enough to bounce that old chevy off one more tree out in the back 40acre. right?
tootn on camera
This is cleary not the waterjet channel
5:46: Starts welding.
7:53: Talks about the results.
10:59: 6011 block, welding.
12:59: 6011 results.
15:09: 332.
17:29: Discussion.
20:12 : Toots on Camera
Thank God
every day I work welding the cargo on the boats and that's the best you can find ... sometimes I find ships with almost a centimeter of rust before finding healthy metal. Every day I have to fight with rust, paint and water ... When I find a boat in good conditions, tears come to my eyes ... 😁
I own a '48 diamond t body that I'm putting on a 70s chevy frame. There is very little metal left on That body
I work and weld on older vehicles in the northeast US (New Hampshire) and thought that I'd seen some rust, but not daily and not a centimeter thick; I feel your pain and hope you find some clean-ish metal to weld on soon!
I live in Hawaii and sadly any thing made with metal (especially vehicles) rust away just like the boats you work on
I like fish and chips.
I'm glad I don't have your job!
This guy is hilarious and he's not even trying.
I think a lot of old welders just do that 😂
@@animex2569 -- His accent and colloquialisms kind of reminds me of Ron White...
@@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire Yes...spot on
Most of the welding I do for the railroad is nasty rusted metals. This was very educational.
Ha. When you see how much emphasis everyone puts on having surgically clean metal before you weld on it, you must chuckle a little bit.
Railroad carman also, this is every frickin day.
@sheparddog117 lineashing pads kn a grinder and away you go its worth the extra
@@christopherbrewer4421 I hope you were welding all that galvanized & paint from an up-wind position on a windy day!
Bob is so laid back, i bet it takes a lot to make him mad but when you do lookout! He is a true master teacher!
'High-end industrial rust....' lol
"Hey guys. Watch me make a better weld on a disgusting surface than you can on a pristine surface."
That weld looks like ass for being a flat in a shop,
You didn’t have to personally attack me my instructor said my weld was really good he said all the lumps and the un strait weld gave it a lot of caricature and unique
Just for kicks and giggles it would be interesting to see some joints with clean and identical joints with the rusty crusties. Then break them apart in the vise and see if there is noticeable real world difference. We all know the ideal conditions we shoot for but as you said sometimes you just got to do with what you got. Good video. Take care. Doug
That would be worth watching for sure.
Yeah good idea
He took a dead leaf off of that rusty steel and tasted it. Respect..
7:39
As someone who just got a welder and is using scrap yard finds, I appreciate this! Ventilation, standing back, patience... the importance of keeping the surface as clean as possible! It really helps!
"Some kinda foliage" this dudes sense of humor cracks me up.
I hope the guys trying to get into shipyard welding are paying close attention to this. This is exactly what you are going to face on those ships and definitely all barges lol. Once again great video mr Bob.
Alot of rust you mean?
Single funniest video Bob has done yet!!! His descriptions are hilarious!
I could listen to Bob all day everyday. I appreciate everything about this man. Thank you!
My dad is retired #63 iron worker in Chicago
this was normally what he played with on daily basis- nasty rusty beams- great video!
"I'm gonna fix these holes that I created."
That's me!
Something you don't really see through a helmet is when the flux on the end of your rod catches on fire and just slowly burns like a candle! Just something else to keep an eye on, I guess!
Once again people ask and you deliver!! I learned something new! yes we can weld on nasty stuff and you taught me a better way to fix my burn through. Thank you Bob, you are a Bad Ass beyond belief!! great video 👍👍
This has helped me understand what problems I have are due to my ineptness and which ones are due to the old scrap I’ve been practicing on. Thanks
Don't call it 'ineptness'...just call it a learning opportunity! Show me someone that's welded perfect from the start, and I'll invite you to a party with Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Lucky Charms Leprechaun!
Thank you so much for doing this bit on welding rust! Another application this comes in handy is in my line of work where you want to keep as much of the paint and original rusty patina in order to really give scrap metal sculptures an authentic old weathered look. Sometimes the different colors of old paint left on the metals are difficult to get through, but will leave a very unique look to the sculpture. Love your always informative and top notch videos and tips!!
You got the certified tungsten dipper sticker on the banner, love it!!! Bob you’re the man sir!
This was excellent. I was welding some rusty old ship chain links for a mailbox. First time ever dealing with something like this. I am a weekend welder and getting those links together was a bitch. I had some nasty, ugly welds I had to clean-up with a grinder. The project was destined for a wildflower garden.
I've learned more from this video than most welding videos I've watched so far.
Why?
Because you're showing real world welding.
Repairing holes you broke through, how impurities affect the weld,....
It's really valuable seeing mistakes being done and how to fix/avoid them.
i just started working for a small company that repairs garbage dumpsters oily rusty material is all they weld im having more than a few problems adjusting to this so im thankfull you
doing this
"Texas tig" cracked me up, where I live we call it Tijuana tig and anyone who has done time in the "field" has done it. Love your videos.
hubifornia
Oh yes. i sure have done my fair share of stick tiggin filling up gaps and welding thin material up hill. Lol
He cant say "Tijuana Tig" or the offended people would be protesting outside the college.
I have to do the Texas Tig routine from time to time doing handrail after an apprentice gets a hold of the welder.
The BBQ Jerk people don’t say Tijuana tig because they don’t want to give credit to the Mexicans duh
Chris Hurlbut, i still run a little slow occasionally and burn a hole in a handrail and have to country boy tig the holes up. The 6010 3/32” is my go to rod for welding up handrail. Good penetration and only a little hit with grinder if you want slick up the weld but not really necessary. Makes for a strong, good looking handrail.
Reminds me of 1960s&70s on old worn out logging equipment! I love it! !
Did a lot of this on the Mississippi River repairing barges and working in a train car shop with dual shield. 3/16 6011 and .045 ultracore wire. Working with this crap will really make you appreciate good clean steel and will also make it easier for you.
Amen to that
I repair railcars currently and it’s a beast getting up in to the frame trying to see and be able to weld that paint and rust when you can’t get a grinder or a wire brush in there
Alex Babillis m
I’ve never actually got to weld truly clean steel. From the day I was handed a stinger and told, “don’t fuck up” to now I can’t actually remember a clean piece of steel.
@@gavinatkins2671
So you can proudly call yourself a master welder as it is easy to weld in a controlled environment shiny metal plates . But in reality people who can joint scrappy rusty metal together without crying should be named a Master Welders . Respect 🖒🖒🖒
Great video! Your the first welder I know that admits their mistakes! Much respect!!Also that Texas tig welding is a good idea on some applications. I learned something also. Thanks!
“I think I tooted on camera” 🤣🤣🤣, sir, your about as real as the come. Love your videos !
😂😂😅😆
Hi Bob, thanks for showing some "real world" welding. :) Just like I have done in the marine (barge) repair industry. Everything there is rusty from being in water for years. Mostly welding with 3/16" 6010 rods, 160A, vertical up and overhead. Mostly inside barge or towboat hulls where it's dark, hot, and uncomfortable, and they want water-tight welds. Holds towboats together when pushing thousands of tons of barges so it must make a strong weld.
160 is too much i would say for a 3mm rod.
@@dfsdfsdsfsdfsdfs6694 Wow, I forgot that I wrote this three years ago. I agree that 160A was too hot, especially for the 1/4 in. material they mainly used for construction. Apparently, they felt that too much was better than not enough.
As always GREAT entertainment. Learning and having fun. Can't beat it! Thanks Bob.
This is what you never see someone do online and it's what we all have to do for El Cheap... The best learner video for sure! Especially with the rod explanations and flux types to make it happen.
This is why my dad went out and bought enough 6011 and 6010 rods when I was first learning to weld when I was little. I couldn't even hold the amount of rods he'd bought. A lot of rust and oil on tractor implements like hay equipment, boxblades, and discs.
I guess it made really me good at less than perfect welding conditions, but when I graduated to clean steel... I couldn't understand why I was having to haul a$$ the whole time! Now I don't go near it if I can help it without a grinder because it does take too long to get wrapped up! Still, I learned more than a few things from this video and the mill scale versus rust videos. I would much rather the rust without a grinder than mil scale without a grinder!
Thanks 👍🏼
Thank You for doing this some never know the trouble it is to do a welding repair!
This is why I love arc welding!
This was very reminiscent of years gone by fixing old farm machinery. Absolutely loved the last bit of "out takes".
Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for the details. Learning from the low amp ac welding on dirt materials. Hooked up to a generator with a old 80's 200ampcraftsman 60amp plug puts out 49 volts ac at tip with a new30 amp plug running half power.. works great.
This channel is my favourite to get ready for my ranch welding tasks. Thanks so much, Mr. Bob for helping us get a handle on how to cope with what we need to do ;o)
6011 on a simple ac buzzbox is my favorite for this senario
@Michael Ortiz Doesn't 6011 run on DCEP or AC?
@Michael Ortiz 6010's on DCEP only...
6011's on DCEP or AC
It's what makes the 6011 the "farmer's rod" because farmer's rarely have choices in their fields... it's whatever piece of cranky clattering crap you can even get to function. ;o)
I couldn't stop watching after I picked up that he has expertice and humor. He taught me somethings and reminded me of many forgotten facts and tricks I had learned in the past welding many different projects and repairs on rusting and fouled up cruddy steel.
Thank you so much for doing this video. To date it's the best one I had watched of this subject of rust. I'm just getting started on welding but I know I'm going to have a lot of old junk stuff I have to work on.
19:30 and after was the best. Even after 20 watches it's still comical.
I love him.
He's human too.
The best part is him holding the rod on the piece and the thing strikes a perfect arc on the ground clamp 😂
I love this as well. This guy is hilarious.
so glad you posted this comment, i was gonna click away!
comedy gold. this guy is the true King of the Hill.
Bro 🤣🤣
"Messed up", you know you did that on purpose to teach us how to repair holes when you forget to turn down your heat. Haha. Great videos. I watch them all.
You are the Doctor Phil of welding, Very educational and soothing to listen to.
I'm working on a job out here in Green River Wyoming and the plant will working at is a soda ash plant that produces baking soda and it is everywhere so the past couple days I've been welding with 7018 and have been frustrated out of my mind and ran out of that so I did find some 6010 and that has been day and night and this video has made me realize that 6010 is actually what I should be using and it is cutting through all this crap easily so thank you for this video
😲😍 he mentioned reverse polarity! I never hear straight/reverse polarity anymore😁 (-/+ electrode).
Best camera work yet. To bad it was on junk metal. Lol. Good job guys thanks for all your work. Bob is the man love watching this guy.
This video really hits home with me, I work in a cinder block plant that is 70+ years old and everything is either caked in cement rust old paint and various other nasty things that make welding incredibly difficult at times, though I try my best to always clean the metal I'm working on I dont always get that luxury, working in a production facility time is very of the essence not always giving me the time I wish I had to properly prep the metal, after a decade of welding through cruddy metal I too recommend 6011 and I found that 6013 helps when welding very thin rusty metal the best.
Bob, Thanx Bra. I'm learning to stick weld and watching this and other vids saves a lot of trial & error.. Picking out proper rod , amperage & technique .New subscriber, Thanx Again
He makes it look easy as always. Great welder
I better not taste that...lol! You're awesome Bob!
I love field repairs. Especially the ones with the two inch wide combo welds.
You know what I'm talking about. When you have thirty years of tig, mig, stick and gas/clothes hanger-bailing gum and bubble wire stacked to the point the last five "repair" welds where just that. They where welding weld ten inches from the original metal.
And now I get to play with it. Joy!
I been welding over 30 years you are a good welder tack care
Worst thing is underseal or bitumastic paint it wont grind or brush off,just spreads around and if it's old enough polishes to a bright black finish. It is also a good insulator so striking the arc is a job in it's own right. Best contaminant to weld is cement unless it's wet.
lmao that ending. Sparks coming from wrong end XD
hey bob, thanks for the video and the tips on different rods and situations. tool partner and I had to weld on a thickly painted shipping container ceiling last year and we kept burning through, did the same thing switched to thinner rod, lowered current, but what really did the trick for us was using electrode negative at the suggestion of a user on a welding forum. had to fix a few holes too, once we had it dialed in padding it around and then filling in worked for us as well. That paint was super thick we ground down what we could but just didnt have time to get it all, the surrounding paint burnt off and filled the whole container with smoke. Overhead in the middle of summer too. We left the truck running outside with AC blasting and had to switch off every 15 minutes or so.
Thanks for sharing this video. I am no welder, but living out in the sticks on the bottom end of Africa, we do not always have "Fab-Shop conditions". This video puts it all into perspective and gave me a lot to think about.
Thanks Bob, I enjoyed seeing this, would be nice to see you clean off one side and just Ogre-weld the other so we can see how different the two are :)
When I had to weld on really dirty, rusted, painted stuff I would take the rod and get a arc started and pass it over the place to be welded fast with a long arc. It would not leave any weld metal but it would blast away some of the deeper crud. After blasting away most of the crap I would try and clean the rest away with the hammer and wire brush.
Just a suggestion.
Greg Warner my dad does that too. I will eventually get him to get me welding again.
This makes me feel better. I weld really rusty stuff a lot and it makes nasty welds sometimes. Glad that a full blown badass welder like bob has issues too... I thought I was doing it wrong
its kinda nice to see a pro blow a hole through his work. Makes me feel not so bad when I have to fill a few holes.
Rust welding
Things people don’t like doing but still do
Especially if your school's ag shop can't afford to buy new, clean metal... not that I would know....
I do it professionally. I build brand new trailers out of steel thats stored outdoors.
We did this many times, equipment broke down in the fields “temporary repairs” these welds are still holding 40 years later.
There is quite the difference between it holding up on a trailer versus a bridge for instance, which is the reason it's always a preference to try and clean the surface as well as possible, if only to at least get a steady connection the whole way.
try welding on used ag equipment rust and dirt is what you will deal with and steal that varies in thickness
Thanks for the video. New to welding and fixing rusted backhoe ramps on a freightliner. Very informative.
Once again Bob you are the man haha , I've watched a ton of your videos but on this one it was amazing how fast you were feeding that rod but at the same time slow enough to keep that puddle going on obviously not favorable conditions! Thank you sir I really enjoy your videos and valuable information
Another great video brother and I'm so glad you're using a vacuum and a mask. If I may suggest, please use a proper filtered mask and not a dust mask. As a welder with over 35 years as a pipeline/Industrial welder and now a UA Instructor who learned the hard way, the fumes that burn off the rods are pure poison (read the caution label on the rod boxes). Keep up the great work brother.
For what it's worth, some of those paper masks ARE actually mean't for weld fumes. I'd have to go out to the shop to see what model number masks they are, but they work pretty well and they fit under my hood a lot better than my respirator. They're made by 3M and they have a check valve, I know that much....
Why be the health police? not to sound like a jerk not trying to but do you not think Bob has never read a box of rods? hes an instructor he knows the risk that's why he has half jokingly saying he was going to die. not dismissing your claim because its true but you have to know your audience, trust me he knows. plus why are you posting your resume? would that of made your comment more or less true? like Michael Major said the paper masks do block fumes- some of them. its a filter mask. re watch the video brother.
Welding Junkie, my job is not to be the health police brother but it IS my job as an Instructor to educate the next generation of welders and fitters in my Hall and I did not mean to post my resume or be arrogant. I just wanted to show that I have experience in the trade and was not boasting. I follow Bob and respect his work as an instructor and in the field, I admire and know all the work he puts in. He has admitted in a video that he has the shakes and please correct me if I am wrong, but this video is one of the rare ones that I have seen him use a mask and a ventilator. I applaud him for it and just wanted to let the next generation know the dangers of the poison that comes off the welding rods. I too was young and invincible, but I am paying for it now. Stay safe brother and please wear a mask when welding.
Totally get it as i said in my comment. I have many family members who weld on SUB'S its a big thing here is RI. It just sounded like you were trying to coach Bob not viewers, I agree people should wear masks but that's the case whether you have 3mo or 40 years on job. UA or no UA, unfortunately people don't wear them even if they know they should. Just came across wrong it sounded like " Hey im an instructor read the box dummy" im exaggerating for the point. Like i said wasn't trying to be a jerk because im sure you know your stuff but its all too common here on you tube now. Just make a video on it and get it out there, it comes across educational that way. BTW there are people on the subs wear safty gear to the max follow every rule then fall over the railing a die, when your times up its up! :)
For what its worth, I believe those masks are the N95
This is a normal day at work nothing is clean in mills we deal with oil and grease and paint and god knows what a nice 5p root pass and finish with 7018
Learned loads. Thanks for sharing ATB
Love this guys attitude
Junk yard welding at it finest......love it
Joseph Leister
You damn right "this junk out of here" hahaa
i seen a few welding videos over the days this was the first that i seen that used ventilation for safety
Excellent skill! I like this because the setting used are also explained. Most videos just show "How to" and not the settings used....One of the most important items for welding is the settings.
Here is a real video of what we deal with in the field.
There just isn't always time to clean shit off properly.
Real video. Thank you fellas
This is pretty much always my experience while welding since everything I weld is rusty, and I'm too lazy to clean it.
I used to Bring trash bins back to life, worst case scenario. 6011 ac did the job. And a good strong squirl cage fan. Easy money
I still do 6011 and a fan. Welcome to the real world. How about weld on a trash truck onsite.
good video, that is what i welded on at work today, some rusty 40 year old weather exposed dock levelers, wasn't fun, but took the time to grind down to good steel. It makes a huge difference! I am a beginner and enjoyed watching your video as i dealt with that scenario today. I used 6011, and lots of fumes, didn't have any smoke eater/ventilation, just wind. I think i will try to make breathable air a priority next time, as you did! your videos are very helpful
Mr. Moffatt. Today i had my TIG classes and i struggled about buttweld (in my country its a PB position) on pipe. I was about to ragequit welding room and i haeard your voice inside my head "just walk the cup son". At the end of a day i pass my first module of certification and instructor started to teach me next level positions. Thanks for your advices and lessions on youtube.
"Texas TIG" lmaoo
Ah yes, the ancient Egyptian god of metalwork - Tootinoncamera! :)
Thanks for the validation - I've been repairing the basement framing in a wicked-rusty old bus - and my welds weren't making me smile - but they're fine, by comparison, so I reckon I'm doin' alright.
damn i love this guy's delivery/personality. what a unit.
Intro should've been "Shop welder here showing yall why the field crew makes twice what I make as I whine the entire time"
Lol
"Texas Tig" that's a new one on me
I grew up welding oil field pipe making ranch fences with pipe top rail. It was all rusty, but 6011 always did the job. These fences are still solid 45 years later.
Ive been binge watching your stuff. Love it. learning a ton
This was my life at an asphalt plant. Usually I would clean it with a torch pass with a carborizing flame. Then burn it in. If it was structural I always capped with a 7018. I didn’t like “clean work” too much. It wasn’t as challenging.
"That stanky paint" 😂😂😂
This is very helpful, when it comes to repairs in-place on the farm. There's some spots where I just can't reach with a grinder or wire wheel of any sort, and often have a very short window I can work on it. Now I just need to learn to stick-weld vertically better.
I weld on chasis trailers and we use .045 dual shield, Im not a flux core guy but that stuff will burn thru anything and I love it.
When you weld clean metal in your laboratory, and i weld on air my rusted metal. I think o god what i doing wrong. Now i see that everything is ok. )))) Thanks for everything what you do.
samuil marshak some paint can cover rust threw pockets. But paint still there. this a good video
And on today's CZcams random recommandations at 3 A.M. :
But im watching and its only 2:29 am lol
Some nice welds there considering the state of the Metal. Thanks for the video, it was very educational. All the best & stay safe.
I always find your videos very entertaining and very educational you have helped me with so many problems I had
Should've smeared some mud on it.
I don't remember the last time I saw clean metal in the logging woods
Theodore Dowman you’d clean the mud off wouldn’t you before you weld it...
Dealt with this junk in manure pump rooms all the time in high school working on the farm
Tony Seefeldt I believe I would have run away from home.
Jesse Wright It wasn't a bad job actually. Great boss
Tony Seefeldt. Well, you got it done right.
Ave mentioned these rods awhile back. Dunno why this just got recommended by YT for me since I don't normally watch welding but that bloopers outtro alone was well worth it.
Firs time seeing your channel. It’s good to see a good welder get frustrated with bad steel. On my best day with good steel I can’t run as good a bead as you did here but I don’t get much practice. Thanks for being entertaining.
I gotta wonder, how do you get those awesome closeups of the arc and puddle? That's some amazing camera work.