BMW R1250GS 500 mile review. Would I buy it again?🤔
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- So after 5 weeks of ownership, the GS has had its first service, would I buy it again?
I touch on the ordering process and my decision to go with the GS, followed by dislikes and then the likes. I haven't covered everything !
Forgot to add the clip showing how easy the panels can be removed for maintenance etc, with a Torx 25. So much easier than my Honda Africa Twin. No snapped fairing bits!
Make any comments to help other potential owners out.
00:00 Introduction
04:00 The dislikes
12:46 The likes
Ride safe 😜
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Great in depth review. Thank you!
Thanks 👍👍
Another great vid, I specked a 2022 GSA last year and learned as much from you as the BMW handbook, I wasn't aware of the drive shaft drain plug or the handlebar degree markings..
Thanks for the comments, just trying to find time to keep the videos coming and keeping the wife happy with her list of things to do!!!!🙈
Hi Mark. Nice review. I’ve had my GS just over 2 Years now and I’ll tell you,it gets even better with time! I’m planning an Off-road Tour in September. I never thought a GS was up to doing it but I’ve learned otherwise. I did a Video on it if you’re interested in watching that. Anyway, I really only wanted to congratulate on the good choice you made because I have ridden the multistrada V4S and the Duke 1290. Both great bikes but the GS topped it for me for numerous reasons. So good choice mate,
Enjoy the tour . Good luck . Keep it the right way up😊
The GS does not getter "better with time", the rider gets better over time riding it over and over offroad. I also did not find a video on your CZcams channel doing an offroad adventure. ;-)
@@ironhorsegladiator5034 What I did actually mean it gets better with time, is that i find it better than at the beginning as I really didn't want one at the start. I went to BMW to buy an S1000XR and got talked into the GS after a test drive. I am not unhappy with the decision. Thanks Mate
I haven't read the other comments yet nor finished the video, but a couple things popped out immediatly. You are missing out on shift assist benefits. When downshifting, throttle must be closed ALL THE WAY to activate it. That's in the rider's manual. If it's not closed, you're just manually trying to match revs without the clutch, which is hit or miss. It's very easy to close throttle from 6th and shift down all the way to 2n'd for a stop or a tight turn without the clutch...but throttle must be CLOSED. 2. Try Dynamic Pro setting and set the throttle control to Road. I also back off some of the ABS/wheelie controls a bit. I like the firmer shock setting from Dynamic but having very good control of throttle in hard turns is really beneficial. GREAT video!
Hi Tom , thanks . The QS has got better with age but I still use a mixture of clutch especially going through neutral . I have played around with all the settings which fortunately you don’t need an engineering degree to use , I do ensure the throttle is closed all the time but sometimes on the downshift the gear lever won’t budge ! Bit I am use to it now . Ride safe 👍
@@gsd32i You're not alone, same here, sometimes, the gear lever wont budge on downshifts. New 2023 GS Trophy, 3 days of riding Santa Monica Mountains 90, 100, 70 miles, and, yep, some times no amount of pressure will make the QS downshift. Not a tap, not even a few pounds of weight on it. Stuck! Quick shifter is good 2nd-6th. Forget about using it for 1st, neutral is too big a gap.
Sport glide owner here.... one 7 mile test ride (dealership said up to 50, if you want) and the bike sold itself to me.... 2023 GS in Trophy Blue. Bought it the next morning. Think, however, I will be keeping the Sport Glide, too. 92 miles, day 1, about 100, day 2, and 72 miles, day 4. Had to take Thanksgiving day off from the bike. One test ride, and if you like what you feel, the bike sells itself.
Great review - you mentioned abut looking forward to going to the alps on tour next month. If that’s the Motorrad tour see you there 👍😎
Hi Ian, sadly not, just myself and a friend , doing our own thing , coming up from the south. enjoy 🤪
Great review, suggest looking into the GS911 kit, should be able to adjust the lights, use it to assist on the canbus system mods as well, self service aid too. Found it quite helpful on my GSA. Safe riding
Thanks for the tip!
Really good review of your lovely bike, enjoy 😉
Thanks! 😀
Brilliant video, thank you, I'm currently considering moving from a Tracer 9GT, to a Rallye.
Test rode one at the weekend and like you the front tyre noise was shocking as was the quickshifter!
Bloody awfull!
Loved your other GS videos as well 😊
Thanks . Really liking my GS , in fact if it was the wife or the GS then I would keep the GS 😂
@@gsd32i 🤣🤣
When you said you are not going to put money on something you hadn't ridden, it is amazing how dealers have got us over a barrel in recent years in the UK. Good on you Sir. I asked at honda, "I've got people for every bike in here, so we don't have demo bikes" I still bought the bike but doesn't mean to say I liked it
I agree, go ride one. Long time Harley rider here and the hype is real - love my 22 GSA. I will not be doing any hard core off road riding so considering the Road 6s. I didn’t know that some top TFT menu items could be removed (Fuel level, ODO, Trip etc) - there are a dozen things to cycle through and I usually only want fuel and odo, and there is no way to go backwards an item or 2. Will have to check this out 👍
Conti Trail Attack 3 (90/10) tires are also quite good and quite sticky and confident. They don't make noises like the Anakee. BTW, the OEM road tire for the GS, in USA, is Bridgestone 041...It's 80/20 and is noisier than a lot of dirt tires...just terrible. I changed to TA3 after my first service.
A friend is using Road 6. They're great tires, but I've had a lot of premature punctures with Michelin road tires. They're lighter in weight, especially the rears. This lowered unsprung weight and feels really good. However, it seems like any little thing will puncture them....maybe a streak of bad luck, but I had 3 punctures with Michelins in a row. One time, tire was near new and the nail I picked up was a tiny rusted finishing nail that I could bend with my fingers. No way that should puncture a tire. I patched it and rode on, but yikes! Then I read online that some other riders have had the same sort of experience. They are heaven when they work, but nothing will ruin your day like a flat. Plus, you know, the cost.
Another good vid mate, watched all the gs related vids so far, what camera mount is on you're helmet?
Dango Design Gripper Mount for GoPro, £50. works fine. will take it to France Thursday as the GS is going to be ridden in a spirited manner, now she's run it and has Michelin Road 6's fitted.
The EZCan provides customization thru the CAN bus to. the lights front and rear iirc. Potential to solve your indicator wash-out by brake light problem.
Very honest balanced review
Thanks, will do a likes n dislikes very soon.
I purchased a GSA this year and have the multi function indicators. I have made a complaint to BMW regarding the visibility issue especially in sunlight. I suggested if they put indicator light as outer light it would certainly improve the visibility especially when brake lights illuminate at same time. Dealer was useless as they just said contact BMW direct but would think they have more power.
Hopefully more riders will complain to BMW about this safety issue. Glad you raised it too in your video
I may get some Denali indictors and mount them to the side of the number plate, not sure yet. I would have thought that a half decent dealer would have said"leave it with us, when we have our scheduled meetings with the BMW reps we will highlight this to them." I will raise it with my dealer and I have no doubt they will advise their regional reps with the feedback.
@@gsd32i yeah the guy at my local dealer doesn't seem that helpful, shame as it's the first BMW I purchased and he alone is ruining the excellent after sales care I've heard all about. And I never received a reply from BMW either after lodging my complaint so I hope your dealer is more accommodating. I'm taking it to the actual sales rep to see how he responds and hopefully it will be a better result. Shouldn't have to fit other indicators and it's surprising these passed regulations in the first place as indicators usually have to be on the most outer part of lightning for all vehicles.
@@oldgrowler I am not whizz kid when it comes to software, but I would have thought it wouldn't be too difficult to stop the brake light bit of the indicator working, as you still have the main large unit above the number plate. Denali indicator lights have been around for a while and not sure of the legal bits n bobs of where indicators need to be. Maybe Denali can send me some for testing .🤔
I had Anakee Adventure Tyres on 2018 GS and did not have any issue with noise (wearing earplugs). However, I hated handling of the tyres for around 1500km and was about to get rid of them, until somehow they just settled in. It seems to be it takes quite a long time for Anakee Adventures to scrub in (It used to take 500k for Avons and Metzellers). Now I think they are great tyres. Btw. I have Michelin Pilots on R120OR and they are fantastic tyres but I actually use GS for lots of gravel/dirt so in needed 80/20 or 70/30 tyres whatever Anakees are. They work great on both (tar and dirt). Here in Australia as soon as you go inland there is shortage of sealed roads. 😁
Ive now got the Anakee tyres hime in my garage from the dealer . Yup they are a very good tyre bit the noise just got to me at our speed limits . Gravel roads i would happily put them back on.
Good review, I have a s1000xr had a gsa previously 1200. The nav 6 isn’t great, neither are the BMW helmet comms, I ended up binning mine and got the Cardo which is much better and easier to operate. Thinking of getting the 1250 triple black next
thanks 😊
Great review. Spot on with the gripes ... Have put 4000 km on my 2022 rally style livery. The tire noise ... My A41s are deafening.. Wonder if the shite OEM tires are all the same ... Wonder if there is a quiet 80/20 tire out there. Don't think the Road 06s are that (?) ... Came off an Aprilia Tuono so I know what a smooth QS is ... the GS doesn't have a good one. 3,4,5,6 on the boil is fine upshifting. Downshifting requires unloading the engine as you point out... 1-2 shift is ugly ... don't have the throttle overrun issue ... otherwise throttle is the best of the lot... 2mph in figure 8s are no problem, perfect...
Everybody hates the NavVI ... and it is a gouge price. XT on order ...
cheers
Thanks
Absolutely fantastic.....If Only😁
learned so much
For the pro shift being clunky. There is a tiny locking and adjuster screw under the clutch lever. Try releasing the lock screw and adjusting by a half turn. Solves the problem.
Dumb question, what does that screw do then?🤪
I have a 2023 GS. Which way are you suggesting turning the adjuster screw? In or out?
Thanks for the comment.
The QS on my 22 is buttery smooth? Keep the power on on the way up and the throttle closed on the way down. Having said that i did the first 500 miles in 2 days and its in now for its 6000 mile service after 3 months having been to Ireland on one trip and the Alps on another.
The indicator thing is fine. You never ever rely on someone reacting to your indicator on a bike - always we assume that we haven't been seen - the brighter you can make yourself whilst waiting in the road the better and therefore I think the system is great and defo wouldn't turn it off !
I can see where people are coming from with the comments ,as there is quite a bit going on with the indicator . I guess time will tell. ride safe 😁
I've had many gs's over the years but the 1250 engine cases have never bubbled the paint quite like this model even on the shaft casing and it really is babied .....keep an eye on that !!
Thanks.
I have a 2022 gsa the quick shifter works great on down shifts but you must close the throttle first. Good review.
Thanks 👍
What's the voltage on your TFT before you start it, my '22 triple black is around 11.9, seems low to me, still starts ok though? All my other bikes and cars are around 12.7, if they were below 12, most wouldn't start. Also my throttle hand goes to sleep due to vibrations after a couple of minutes.
@@tadstertrolley7770 Hi, 12.2 volts.Will be interesting ref vibrations in my next trip away in 2 weeks time.
I think the GS has enough power for everyday use. I have a 1200 with a full akrapovic system on it, it pulls a bit better now. The Michelin pr6 are excellent.
Yup 👍
Great vid, and great taste 😉 I have the same bike, same colour, same wheels lol, got mine in 2021 but have only done just over 3k on it so far and glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks the Anarkee's are noisy, but I'll put up with them for now but will be switching to the Pilot 6's when they've worn a bit more. I got the 719 mirrors on mine on delivery but that's the only 'bling' option on it and I don't think I got charged for them either :) I also got the Navman VI off E-Bay for just over £300 (funnily enough from a Motorrad dealership) Also have the usual add-ons, fender extender and Mudsling and also at a loss why BMW think it's ok to sell you a 18k+ motorcycle without these already on 🤨 Anyways best of luck on your tour, hope all goes well and you have a new sub on it's way 😎
Thanks, off for a day trip to France tomorrow , about 200 miles, just have to make sure I don't miss the ferry back home!
Nice review. I have 2023 triple black. I’m trying to understand your TPMS comment. Are you trying to run 30 psi in the front tire?
From memory I was saying it would be nice if you could adjust the TPMS for specific tyre pressures . I think🙈
Hi, I don’t know if you’ve been told you can have the quick shifter calibrated by BMW, it makes a massive difference. Should be done as part of the regular service schedule!
It has got better with more miles . I think there is a bit of a knack to when to click it up into the next gear . Basically you have to have a load on the gearbox , I think 🤔
Love your chat! I have '22 1250GS Rallye, 12500 miles now. Agree with your dislikes (Mich Road 6 are good for road only). Multifunction indicators are a pain. When I lead a ride I always say 'don't be offended if I give hand signals in case you don't see the indicator'. You may know 'JUST THE WAY IT IS' you tube channel - very in depth but 2 excellent videos on changing the indicators to a very expensive but incredibly bright alternative setup. Finally, I have no issues with quickshifter now (had problems on 2013 GS). It all seems to have been sorted ie, lovely smooth change up when on power and ok going down if matched with throttle off at the same time. Even going from 1st to 2nd (at low revs) is smooth.
Otherwise awesome bike for 'do it all' riding/touring. I don't miss my old S1000XR anymore (I am 75 now so growing up a bit)! Great channel.
New Indicator kit by Weiser Technik.
Thanks, I may just pop into my dealer and take his demo gs out and see if theat qs is better, if I physically force the throttle closed for the down shift ,it is much better BUT, I have to roll the throttle off and force it closed against the stop, possibly it needs reprogramming ? no idea 😁
quite expensive 😩
Great review mate. What kind of riding jacket are you wearing?
It’s the Oxford Mondial Jacket . Very good 👍
You video is great thanks, although it reminded me of the old days when Bererac would enter the tunnel and exit in Gorey! I'm considering a GS and popped down to the dealer to browse at the weekend.
Do they ride smooth at low speeds? Island speeds can be frustratingly low at times and I like a bike that can cope with that. Many thanks 😊
Ah Bergerac . I appeared in one or two of those. All i can say is that my KTM 890R Duke , which i love , has not had a look in since i got the GS. Realistically i didn’t need the big one and for over here its simply marvellous. Quick shifter is not brilliant but that is more to do with operating technique as there is a knack to it and now its fine. The bike simply copes with low speeds very well. I thrashed it last week in France for the day and it was great but my hands did tingle a bit . Heavier bar ends on order. As i have said previously it is simply frustratingly good and maybe thats why people knock them . See Tony or Daren at Mansells they are brilliant chaps . Good luck 😉
@@gsd32i that's interesting. I have a 22 Hypermotard SP, which I also love (and I suspect is very similar to your 890R). It's a great bike and lots of fun, but less so when the speed drops below, say 25mph, which it can do frequently here as you know. A bike that can waft with the best at low speed and still be fun in the twisty bits is what I'm looking for. I'm not sure how the Multi Strada V4S would compare....but my gut, without having ridden either at this stage, is that the GS, with its lower centre of gravity and superior torque, may be the better machine for the Island. France looked like fun! Cheers.
@@chrisva505 no problem, the v4 as the various magazines have said ,is a great road bike, but its more money, no shaft drive and will get me to jail quicker than the BM. So the BM is the right bike for me as I don't need to be doing 160mph, 140 will do for me.🤪
Nice review. Glad you're liking the bike. Just a caution on those Michelins. I read a lot of reports of flat tires with them and got one myself a few years ago. I suggest carrying a plug kit and CO2.
Yup, I always carry a plug n go kit and a mini compressor too.
A thorough review... I am on my 2nd GS over the past 7 years and I am a big fan of the platform. I think you have provided an honest overview of the bike, which is great. However, your comments about the quick shifter couldn't be more different than my experience. I find the quick shifter one of the best features of the bike. It works fine for me, both up and down the gear box - from 2,000 Revs all the way through to red-line. It's unfortunate you are not getting the utility out of yours. On the way up, it is important to either be accelerating or holding the throttle fixed. On the way down, the throttle must be completely closed. It then works as designed. Blipping the throttle as you suggest, does not, IMO, make it work better - perhaps just the opposite. I find the quick shifter great around town or when on the highway - and in some cases I may never even approach 5,000 RPM's. The quick shifter is also superb when riding off-road and standing on the pegs, when using the clutch is inconvenient due to the angle of your wrist. Again, mine works well in all rev ranges. I guess everyone's 'mileage varies'... It's a great bike - enjoy.
Sadly not a chance of that with my bike, unless it gets better with more miles on it. 🙄
@@gsd32i Maybe the shift linkage transducer (?) is not interrupting the ignition system such that you can shift properly. Perhaps have someone who has a similar bike ride yours to see if it is functioning properly, or take it back to BMW to have it checked out. Your experience does not sound right.
@@b13hamilton27 basically the quick shifter is crap below 5000 revs both up and down the box so i dont use it ! 🙈
Hi, further to my replies , today, Saturday , I tried a different technique. Basically I changed gear up the box whilst still turning the throttle NOT just keeping it at a constant. That has done the trick and it pops beautifully and is so much smoother AND I can use it below 3000 rpm, just to see how low it would go! The down shifts work much much better if I not only throttle off, which is what we all do , BUT additionally roll the throttle that bit further forward , kind of forcing it past the off throttle position. DIFFERENT BIKE 🤪👍 so maybe it was operator error???
@@gsd32i Fantastic! There is definitely a bit of technique involved, IMO. Glad you found the groove. It will make riding the bike much more enjoyable I think.
thank you for the video, in terms of speed, is it comparable to the speed of your 890r? I own a 890r and find that speed just perfect for me.
No comparison to be honest . The little Ktm is bonkers and you hang on, whereas the gs is fun, but in a different way. I haven't used the Ktm in months .....I guess that says a lot about the big GS, which is the best bike I've ever owned ....may be an age thing though!!!! 🤪
Thanks for a great video. 😃👍.
We're you riding in Cornwall by any chance?
No that was on my home island of Jersey, days out can be so long hence the gs!
@@gsd32i It's beautiful!
It's somewhere I've wanted to visit for a long time and have never got around to it.
I thought I didn't quite recognise anything, but you mentioned Nippy Norman's so I figured you're somewhere in the South West, (I'm in Devon) so not a bad guess! 😃
Hi Mark, im looking at the Garmin Zumo xt to go on my GSA. Was yours easy to fit to your bike ie connections ext.. Thanks
Yes it will take you about 2 cups of tea and a half packet of biscuits!.The zumo is a great bit of kit which i have had for a number of years.👍
Use the quick shifter correctly and it works great! you don't need to be over 5000rpm for upshift and no need to blip for downshift, you're meant to close the throttle😉
Thanks for the tip!
@@gsd32i the old habits of clutch and throttle use just don't work with the QS. Just open the throttle and change up, just close to change down. If you slow down a lot in too high a gear before changing down it wont let you change down.
Down changes need doing when at suitable slower speed.
ie. If you slow from 70mph to 40mph in 6th it won't let you down shift, it needs you to make down changes on way down from 70 to 40 with closed throttle.
QS on fast twisty cross country roads and in mountains is brilliant clutchless once you train out the old habits🙂
@@vacoasrebel6729 many thanks , just come back from a day trip to France and road in a spirited manner, qs works well, when you are on THE MOVE. Liking the popping of the exhaust too. video on the way soon.🤪
My 2015 1200GS has the quick shifter. I use it in the higher gears going down the box and on the up shift through the range. The change down into the lower gears I find a bit sudden. I found it particularly useful on a day riding around Cadwell Park with Hopp Rider Training and also when touring two up.
I agree with you on the brake light set up, personally I think they are dangerous!! I am going to put a set of Denali T3 lights on the rear. Apart from that, it's a great bike, I have the GSA model.
Why dangerous? - the brighter the better surely ?
@@Hemlck The danger is in the low optic effect of the indicators when the brake lights are activated.
I have never used a quick shifter and thought mine did not have one. 22 triple black with premium package . It shifts so hard. I just use the clutch as been shifting for 25 yrs and I do It faster and smoother.
Yes I would buy it again. I do not baby it or keep it clean like many .I just ride and treat like every other bike other than I wash it more and shine it up..maybe that will disappear with time.
I know what you mean 😜
Have you checked out Weiser lights as replacement for indicators.?
If only they were a bit cheaper !
Informative review thanks, Are you riding the Jersey 40mph roads? to be fair riding a Monkey bike in that lovely place would be good.
You are correct . That’s why it’s good to get off the rock . 👍
Surly if your touring you want a quiet exhaust for long distance and is it not better in quiet to enjoy the sounds and views of nature
Hi Donna . There’s always a bit of compromise to be had . Exhaust sounds great and on the move it really is very pleasant and adds to the whole experience . I can still hear the birds too . Certainly very pleased with the exhaust as it gives the gs a bit more character . Ride safe 👍
Do you now prefer riding this over your KTM or do you feel the need to have both? I'm looking at getting a GS but don't know whether to keep my XSR900 and save up for a while so I can have both, or will I only want to ride the GS once bought and better to sell XSR to fund earlier purchase of GS.
Really good question. I have been thinking of letting the KTM go! Why? Well, I find that the GS is so much fun, the Ktm hasn't been out of the garage for months. Possibly, if I take it out for a spin I may change my mind!
@@gsd32iit's hard to financially justify several bikes unless each significantly gives something the others don't. Sounds like you get enough fun and thrills from the GS to have pushed the KTM into the corner.
@@oclv110sl yes indeed . Should sound a bit better when my SC project exhaust comes down too 😊
My GS is a few months older than yours, and I had a 2018 1200GS before this. I pretty much agree with everything you have said about the bike, although I have one further gripe, and that is the self cancelling indicators. Time and time again I find the flasher has cancelled before I have completed the change of direction (roundabouts for example), and I constantly now have to double check that the indicator is still on mid-turn. A note from a dealer here in Sydney suggested that on the new Trophy version you can change the self-cancel function in Settings. I would love to be able to do this, and presumably that's just a software change. I wondered if your bike, being newer, might already have this functionality in Settings?
just popped into my garage and had a look in the settings, nope , cooption to turn it off still.
@@gsd32i Shame! 😔 Thanks for checking.
Have you tried holding your indicator button a bit longer? Self cancelling checks several things before cancelling (manual says) but if you hold it a bit longer, it's supposed to check only distance travelled (depending on speed). If your indicators are cancelled early (maybe because of accelleration), this might help
@@MirkoVukusic I have experimented with this, and my informal tests suggest that the signal cancels even earlier, if I hold the switch longer. I've tested this only by counting the number of flashes before cancelling, in each scenario, all whilst trying to ride the bike without crashing! I will check again, but I reckon there must be a software solution at some stage🤞
@@petersydney5895 , counting number of flashes will not help. Main factor to cancel is distance, so number of flashes change depending on your speed. Mine is 2 days old, still no software option to disable it, but haven't noticed the problem yet.
What I'd to if I were you, Id carefully read the manual to understand it, there are 3 different rules based on speed (less than 30 kmh, 30-100, above 100) and different factors taken into account (accelleration, distance, number of blinks). Then, when problem accurs, try to figure out which factor triggered the cancel and check if there might be some fault. From my understanding of the system, I really can't see a situation where it would not work ok. In my case, more often I want it cancelled a bit sooner.
I can whole heartedly recommend the Fuel Stealth Exhaust, (@Fuel Exhausts Ltd) I have one on my 2022 triple black 1250gs and with or without the removable baffle it sounds fantastic 👌👌 I paid the extra for the black link pipe and it looks awesome 😎
Great video, thank you. What helmet are you wearing and where are you riding? Looks fantastic...
Thanks, the helmet is an Arai Tour x4 and I am riding around Jersey, not the one in America !! The original one, google it. 🤪Ride safe and have fun.
@@gsd32i Thanks🤣 I'm South African but have British citizenship...I'd like to think that the British Jersey would be the first to come to mind! It looks very Mediterranean but the driving on the left gave it away!
@@nickweeden 😊
The GS Trophy Blue looks real nice. Still don’t know about this bike. Still wanting a HP2 Enduro.
No point in getting a bike that you're not sure about 👍I wasn't fan of the GS up until recently . Now I have mine I know what the"GS" thing is all about. But yup, the colour scheme has to be one that you're entirely happy with. 🤪
@@gsd32i Hopefully I can test ride a GS soon. Hearing rumours about a 1300 GS. So, I don’t think anything’s happening until that hits the market.
Hi - quick one. Had my 890 since April and love it for local blats around the country roads. But slightly fearful of using over the winter (that I need to do as only 1x car that my wife uses). Been looking at the GSA. Would I regret chopping the KTM in do you think? I don’t have the luxury of owning both. Thanks
Tough one. I had so much fun on my GS blasting around the Alps recently , 1500 miles in 6 days and my KTM hasn't been ridden much since I got the BMW. Truth is I am sort of considering getting rid of the KTM as the BMW is so much fun, for me a 56 year young rider!! good luck.
@@gsd32i yes I’m a 52 year old rider. The KTM just goads me to go like the clappers. The GS may be more license friendly!
@@ojoimages 😂I think that's why mines in the garage under a blanket .
Great review. Ive just bought a GS and love it.
Btw.... Where are you? Looks beautiful there.
Enjoy the GS …. Jersey 👍
Very nice 😎
11:34 pupper is having good dreams :D
Yes the GS is a well sorted bike as the Global sales show however at what a cost i would imagine you didn't get much change out of twenty grand on yours so yes it wants to be totally excellent in every way for that money 👉🤗
Indeed. Rides very well.
ok about the indicators but your on the breaks so what is the problem your breack light is high viz
Simply a crap rear light system ...IMHO , but each to their own, many riders behind me have said how crap they are too !👍
Funny, once I bought my 1250GS I would never ride my 790 Duke and ended up selling it. After 10,000 miles I love it more each ride.
I am at that point now ! 🙈love the gs
Can you tell me if the GS has changed over the years? I test rode an 04 a couple of weeks ago and it felt like I was on a diesel tractor.
A GS is a GS. Over time they have become very refined, well as far as a big lump of an engine can be refined. Just got back from France on mine and it handled extremely well and I thrashed it today ...or should I say...rode it in a spirited manner !Try a new demo one out.
I rode a new air-cooled 2012 and it was appaling. I've had a 2017 since new and I love it 30K miles and counting
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Iv beeen riding Harley Davidson bikes for a long time. My most recent 21 ultra I’ve put some money into. But…. I’ve been debating hardly on getting out of Harley and get a 1250 gs triple black local to me at dealership. My only concern is I’m 6-1 and my wife rides a lot with me wondering if it’s comfortable like my Harley after adding a top box for support
Wish i could answer that one , i’ve never ridden a Harley Davidson . See if the dealer will let you have the bike for the weekend , put some mileage on it, with and without your good lady on the back 👍
My last Harley was a 2013 Road Glide Ultra, when I picked up,my 2018 R1200 GSA, I compared the ride. The ESA smoked the Harley on ride quality. Now your pillion will lose arm rests, and it is taller, different getting on and off. Storage with panniers similar. Rode the Harley 175 miles in two years, until I sold it…the GSA is wider and gives more wind protection on road compared to the GS, to me better WP than the RG even ( I have owned two RG’s). Off road the GSA is a big bike and it reminds you of it…but how many times on your Harley, go really don’t want to go on that gravel/dirt side road, worries about paint, traction…etc., BMW …GS/GSA no worries! Last point I don’t melt in traffic with engine heat! Good riding…sorry for the lengthy dissertation…good luck.
@@michaeldevoe9235 thanks for the respond
You measure your body weight in stones? Are they big stones like a boulder? Or smaller like pebbles?
😂 as I get older they are more like boulders !!😂
Simply not understanding why one would be at more risk of being rear ended with a 3 steaming brake lights on masking an indicator versus sitting there with just an indicator. Makes no sense. And if you are only using the indicator after you have beginning breaking I'd kindly suggest that more planning ahead is required.
Biggest downside of the 1250 for me is the higher frequency vibes than on the 1200. Suspension is a little softer now as well, which is not a positive. The Hayes brakes lack decent progression, much prefer the Brembos.
Btw, have the same rukka summer gloves. I love them so much that I purchased a second set for when the first pair eventually expire.
Samsara, nothing wrong with my riding or planning , just pointing out what's been said by others on various forums and CZcams .Cant comment ref vibes but mine is very smooth. Brakes are very good, in fact brilliant , simple and certainly do not lack progression, in my view . Yup gloves are fab. ride safe 👍
@@gsd32i Hey, my views on the brake lights were aimed at making a general point, and were not aimed at you per se, so apologies if it came out that way.
@@samsara3694 😊
Risk of these lights is that if you slow down and indicate to turn right (uk) then the car behind may see you brake but not indicate and go to overtake you while you are turning.
@@alexwright2368 So in this scenario the driver has seen the biker indicating, followed at some point by the brake lights, thinks the biker has just decided to no longer turn but has instead just slowed down stopped in the middle of the road for some reason, so overtakes. So presumably Not too convincing is it? We can't ignore either, that you can easily see the indicators when you approach the bike, but that they can be washed out from distance. So, we are still down to one scenario at the moment, being the rider who undertakes and who has ignored the indicators before the brakes were applied, and continues to ignore the brake lights as he speeds by on the underside.
Sorry Mark just seen your install vid lol
All I'd say is that unless you're seriously in a position to buy one, don't TRY one.
ho is the gear change from 1st to second?
Good if you don't use the QS! I tend to use the QS for about 50% of the time, but not 1-2.2-1👍
@@gsd32i Thanks Bru
18:40 engine works because its new. The variable valve control that bmw uses has electronics inside the engine itself. That's just going to be BMW vanos fiasco all over again. Funny enough it works on the same principle as 30 year old suzuki but for some reason unlike Suzuki they needed to use electronics
Can see why u may want an extra loud horn, Down shift and backing off throttle issues probably rider error get that dialled in will placate the need for horn upgrade😊 ref front suspension electronic adjustment THERE IS NONE, no need
Gear shifts are better now the gearbox has more miles on it . 1-2 I use the clutch . Yup front suspension it will dampen it but not adjust preload like the rear . Great bike , poor KTM hasn’t seen the light of day since !! Exhaust awaiting with baited breath . Down soon🤞
I wonder if a Goldwing would have been better choice.
Possibly 😂
Check out Dr Jeckle, Mr Hyde exhaust
Rear ending ? With a bloody bright stop light ?!! I dont think so !!
stranger things have happened , good point though 👍
@@gsd32i The driver hitting you would probably claim he was dazzled !!
@@davidsaunders1125 😂
Hi Mark, I’ve comeback to this video you did because I remembered you didn’t like your tires. One thing that is doing my head in is the nose coming up the front and tonight been looking on CZcams, found people hating the tires that I have on the bike, flatting out and also creating vibrations on the handlebar, which I was having and gone pair of those grip buddies, which has worked, but now I’m going to have to change the tires. Really pissed off, why does BMW put shit tires on a £20k bike.
How are you getting on with your Michelin 6’s, I would love to go for a ride with you if you fancy it.
Hi Trevor , Paul here 👍, am off to Palma for 10 ten days of rest and relaxation . Tyres are very good certainly reduce noise loads , but you still have the clutch at the front generating some noise too , but mine is now much much better . When I did the Alps a few weeks ago , 550 miles in a day was no problem . All the noise stuff goes away with ear plugs ! But home at 40mph …. Well it drove me nuts and I certainly wasn’t wearing earplugs on island . Bar end weights helped massively with tingling hand , especially right hand and I would be happy (ish) to do 750 miles in a day ( if I had too !! )
Message me and for sure hook up and you can try mine out for comparison . Nippy Norman’s sending me bar rises to fit to review also . Ride safe 😊
Sorry for calling you Mark, don’t know where I got that from. Old age! How do I message you, when you are back, is there private messaging with CZcams? Enjoy your holiday, meet up end of month.
@@DoodleRider via Instagram gsd32i. 👍👍
Is the mansell motorcycle shop anything to do with our " Nige" ?
🤔…… yup .
@@gsd32i thought so, he lives on jersey doesn't he ?
@@t5jerry he did but now elsewhere . Run by his son.
ah i see, thanks.@@gsd32i
Was interested in looking at the GS but after riding Japanese decent quick shifter great gear box , reliable,
Bmw seems to give you nothing, Cost 20 grand then upgrading extras another 4 grand most of the extras should already be on the bike ,
Don't think the GS or any BMW is the manufacturer for me ,
Love mine, I rode the 1200gs a few years ago and couldn't work out what the fuss was about...then I had a go on the 1250 last year and really get on with it. Never say never.😁
So U complained about noise from tyres, too loudly and then U complained again exhaust its to quiet 🤫??? By the way good video 👍👍👍
Thanks 😊 think i will stick with the quiet exhaust ( for now) 🙈
Sorry couldn't hear what type of screen you have, looks the bees knees👍
Hi, its the standard one for the Rallye, tinted.🤪
Why didn't you do a review right after you pulled out of the BMW Dealership?😂
If i had the $$$ i would tomorrow.
I take it you do not ride with earplugs.
Correct, not in my local area , due to the low speed limits.
The Bavarian Money Waster strikes again😀 Love to know what they do with all those anakee adventures with 500 miles on them?
Well mine are in the garage should I decide to put them back on . Earplugs would have been cheaper 👍
There are so many better bikes for just on-road use. I never understand people who only use GS’ on-road. I even get people using it 95% on-road in order to have the flexibility sad not have to turn around or suffer when the road calls for dirt, but not 100% on-road. Guess that’s where the Starbucks stereotype comes from.
The GS is a great bike, just had a 200 mile run on mine yesterday. Good job we all like different things and there are choices for all 👍
I think the bigger problem is people using SUV’s on the road. I have to admit, my next bike shall probably be a GS albeit a 2010-12 air/oil model. Too much to go wrong with the LC’s and it’s always back to the dealer. As an ex R1100s and 1200s owner I can deal with pretty much everything on them and servicing is a doddle. Thing is the GS just makes a great and comfy distance machine. I’m too old for sport tourers now (most are a bit too ‘wristy’)and I don’t want a big full fairing. BMW know that the vast majority of owners aren’t taking them off the tarmac. I think the only thing that bugs me is the people that dress like they’re going on an overland adventure knowing full well they’re only going to manage 2-3k a year and it’s all tarmac.
@@hollowaysteve don’t get me wrong, it’s a great touring bike. When I got my R1250 GSA, I thought I’d keep my L1600 for road touring, but after putting a stage 2 tune on the GS, it not only made the K1600 redundant, but the K1600 wasn’t as comfortable. So I’m getting rid of it. For on-road only, I still think there are a number of better options. My personal choice would be SAR or MSV4SPP.
@@hollowaysteve and by the way, other than purchasing a GS-911, which I had to purchase for the K1600 too, I don’t find the R1250 complicated at all. I’ve even put an AMPlink PDM and a CANsmart with tons of accessories for both. I’m pretty useless with anything more than basic maintenance and only just learned to change my own tires, so I’m pretty much a novice.
@@ryanmalone2681 Yeah exactly. Technology. I mean one even has to take the bike to the dealer to adjust the TPM settings. That’s ridiculous and just a racket to keep you beholden to the dealer. Im more spanner’s and screwdrivers than laptops so modern bikes with all their electrickery can ‘do one’. They’re basically two wheeled cars now and everyone just rents them. Bikes are supposed to be fun affordable transport. Don’t get me wrong, if I had money coming out of my ears I might buy the latest. I took a 1250GS out but it was just too easy to the point that I felt detached. Also I had to be going silly speeds just to get any excitement from it. And when I’m touring across continents I want to know that I have a fair chance of fixing a problem. Not have to arrange for my bike to be transported home. I’m afraid I don’t know what a SAR or MSV4PP is.
As far as i can see hayes do not own brembo so no connection
Yup there definitely is 👍
@@gsd32i dude hayes do not own brembo
@@gsd32i i have delved deeper and i stand partially corrected there is a connection but its not hayes who own brembo but brembo who own hayes brake division. I also am not saying your bmw branded hayes units are not good as i had tbem on my xr and they were great
“Hayes is an American manufacturer of brake calipers which is majority owned by Brembo (and has been since 2007, when they acquired the brake divisions of Hayes for $58M) “….. either way the Hayes blocks of metal stop me quite well ….. maybe not as good as the Brembo ones on my Ktm890r though 👍👍👍
@@gsd32i i chose tbe gsa rallye due to its gold brembos rather than the hayes. But i must say i cant tell any difference from my xr with the hayes
A very heavy motorcycle, and if it falls on you, it will hurt you very much, and its price is very high, exaggerated as usual, and it is intended for the elderly retired
Yup thats me then 😎 ride safe
I resemble that remark 😊
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the puppy behind u, so sweeeet, he is dreaming 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did you check out how reliable BMW bikes are
not at the top.
Not fussed to be honest. Lots on the road working!
Bikes are a passion for most, and don't get used daily like a car. If riders looked purely at reliability, I know of two brands who would be bankrupt. And I ride one on those brands, as does GSD321. Its all about the visceral experience for most bikers! 😊😊
You will when things go tits up … and they will!
@@nicholascrocker4329 hopefully not 👍
talk clearly
Sorry Ed ! 👍
A whole lot of words talking about nothing!
Thanks I appreciate the constructive criticism and I’ll take it onboard 👍ride safe .
They are over , over rated , i road a 1978 Suzuki GT750 the gear box on that was much better than a GS they are just uninspiring ,sell it
GT750...classic 👍but I think ill keep the GS , for now 🤪
No offense bro, u look like a nice guy, ur bike is great but, the best part of ur video is the puppy behind u dreaming running in the fields 🥰🤣
can’t disagree 😂 love them to bits 👍
@gsd32i I got 3 German Shepherds bro, I know how u feel 😊
There was a Day when you got on the bike and just rode it !!!!! There were many many issues but you just rode it!! If it sounded loud that was good if it went round corners/bends with a little bit of a push that was good ?? If you could fix it with a hamer or an adjustable spanner that was even better !!! These were the days when we road bikes for fun These days we spend half of our riding time trying to comprehend what the fuck is going on ?? And it costs a fortune My house cost less than this bike for fuck sake Lets get back to Earth shall we !! Not having a go at you sir you are the luky chappy who can have one of these galactic machines I honestly feel we bikers have all lost the plot ??? I have a triumph 900 triple Rat/Survival bike cost me £800 spent a winter making a mess of it went to a meet parked it next to a 17K machine gues what they were all looking at YEP THE £800 BIKE ?? For God sake lets get back to what its all about riding on two wheels who gives a fuck which two wheels even a scooter comes under this does it not?? So So sorry if I have pissed on your chips but just had to say something !! I also ride a Bema 1200 G.S. great bike so so well balanced but I am happy on a Honda cub as well and now at the ripe old age of 70 I might need to revert back to thAt FANTASTIC BIKE l.o.l. Take care safe riding and so so sorry for having a rant on your channel !!!!!!!!!
Allan , no problem mate . Gotta go with the flow and all that . I remember de coking my Yamaha Dt 50 many years ago , every week , blew my rd200 up after I had it for a week. Now quite happy to switch my heated seat on and grips too , oh and the electric heated jacket is so nice . Times have changed but I know what you mean . Ride safe and enjoy the rest of the weekend 🤪👍
@@gsd32i CHEERS !!!!!!!!