Tyla & Breakfast Club Interview
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- Tyla & The Breakfast Club - Why Black Americans Aren't Feeling "Coloured" South African Artists
Section 1 - 03:45 Charlamagne & Tyla - Breakfast Club Interview
Section 2 - 04:37 Misplaced Anger
Section 3 - 07:07 Black American Leaders & Apartheid
Section 4 - 12:35 Brief History of Coloured South Africans
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I am a black South African. 90 percent of your research is spot on. We have become an angry nation and we cannot be in denial, it does not help. We are now grappling with the issue of domestic violence among families is because of that terrible passed and we need heal. Our own SA president declared that as pandemic to be fought against. This negative and vicious attach on black Americans is uncalled for. It is true that Apartheid system was meant to set us apart and to larger extent it succeeded. We are still suffering from that legacy. We have almost a common history. We therefore need each other more than ever before to educate each other. This attacks do not represent the entire population of SA, it is only small section. NELSON MANDELA was for all of us and he was definitely not going to support this. Tyla always talks about her best friends and they are backs. She only need to be guided and managed properly. We have to respect the black American culture especially when we are in AMERICA. They respect our culture when they are here in SA. We cannot deny that the Black American culture is a success story and we learn from them. We cannot allow the musical career of Tyla be sacrificed by people consumed by anger and questionable motives. They may be trying to destroy the girl and we must not allow that. We cannot assume that everyone in SA love Tyla, Neither in AMERICA.🇿🇦🇺🇲
Leave that girl alone,she said what they call that in south africa.
You are completely in the wrong. BIG L.
Ah mann, I don't even wanna continue perpetuating this online dicourse...but just know there is a disconnect here and some miscommunication.Take this coming from a Black South African. If you are American and have the means to travel to SA one day please do so❤
Lol there's a lot of lies, ignorance and misinformation in your video.
Also you claim to have done your research on SA yet almost everything you said about SA is false.
The real question you should be asking is why do BAs want to tell Tyla what she is? Why do you want her to forcefully accept the American ox you believe she belongs in? You're essentially demanding a person disassociate with their natural identity and conform to yours, all for monetary reasons.
The last straw for me is the part where you try to create the impression that BAs contributed meaningfully to dismantling apartheid... another false claim. Yes, a few notable figures within the BA community visited SA towards the end of apartheid (mostly for photo ops with Mandela), but really that's as far as it goes. Black South Africans ended Apartheid.
In conclusion your analysis and understanding is both flawed and biased in favour of your country. Also, we go to the US because many Americans love our music, and we love their music too hence it's played everywhere, but make no mistake, by no means are we desperate for "black dollars", Tyla wasn't starving in SA, you're not doing her favours by supporting her, she was living well with her fam in Cape Town and probably still makes most of her money here in SA.
well said. you caught that agenda quickly.
@@franckkouakou-df1tiexactly
Tyla is from Pretoria not Cape town
If BA’s aren’t doing her any favors by supporting her then why do so many of you care so much that we are saying we won’t? Let white America support her. But the truth is SA fame wasn’t good enough for her, and that’s why she’s marketing herself to a western audience.
The truth is you know deep down that she is not Taylor swift or Britney Spears, and white America won’t sustain any superstardom with longevity for her without a strong, loyal following in the west.. that she currently doesn’t have. What non white global superstar legends do you know that made it there without the support of black America? Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Drake, all marketed and sustained a positive relationship with black Americans at the early stages of their careers, and had a very strong and loyal black American fan base before they propelled to American, then global, superstardom. They were all superstars in black American communities long before they were to white Americans, the western world, or eastern world
If you guys are so determined to turn her career the way of Danileigh and Daniel ceaser in America, so be it. SA is free to prop her up as a superstar in SA. I wish her luck
If tyla said solely I'm a BW, there wouldn't be a issue.
but she's not a bw... saying she is is erasing south african bw
With me there would because she’s not black🧐
If she's coloured let her be coloured. Black Americans don't need to be claiming anyone who doesn't claim us. We don't need her.
Um no
@@soanna473 what you mean she is not a BW.. this is the most ignorant response. This is the issue with us blacks SMH!!!! you dont see white italians, jews and so on separate themselves ..they create a circle called white people so their money and everything else can be considered as one. Spanish do the same thing they move as ONE..but us we have to get lost in the details, no wonder why as a RACE, we are and will always be behind... tell you what when a COP stops a black person in america based on their color, they dont ask you if you are AFRICANS, HAITIANS or Black americans BEFORE they shoot your A#$
im a mixed race...as a generationally mixed race ... from Cape Town and that is my identity. Also please don't think we didn't suffer under appartheid . my dad and his family got removed from their homes. they suffered for sure !!! you dont know how it really was. its way deeper than you think though . I'm sad that this thing has blown up as it has. i don't like that its painted us like this even as the south africans defending her . many of us are mixed way back to many generation . we cannot identify as a specific black group . yes apartheid ...but also after being placed in communities where everyone as in a few million are mixed that becomes the culture . its hard to explain because you guys just see black and white and then mixed people are just supposed to be black . in our country if you are black you must say to which black group you belong to ....we can't say which group. often on Heritage day I wish I could dress up in traditional outfits , but I don't belong to any group. FYI .... My grandpa and day too was beaten by the apartheid police for being on the incorrect beach . so I hate it when people say we were NOT affected by apartheid ... the same apartheid and government coloured also fought against .
i hate this for every oneand I hate that this is now how we are seen .
please don't dismiss a whole group of people online .
I'm sorry on behalf of those who are attacking Americans
ty...mixed is mixed
they hate being black thats why they are jealous of us mixed race people. we have a right to identify as mixed because thats who we are
Go life and explain it maybe they will understand.
Why would we hate being Black? 🤔 We’re not South Africans. Our “Blackness” built the most powerful country in the world. This country is a superpower because of Black people. We literally had a Black Pride movement. If you think we hate being Black, you know nothing about Black Americans. Don’t be fooled by what you see in the media. Illiterate rappers and mentally disturbed internet personalities don’t represent our entire race. The average Black American is thriving. I’m literally typing this from my family’s Texas ranch.
@@ViralTrendsSpot I didn't say you hate black people. I was just explaining how we all suffered under apartheid. We didn't have it better . Everyone suffered. Also I love black Americans. I just got home today from Alabama from my boyfriend's place.hes from there and I have much love for Americans. Beautiful people .
Why did she even go to America, why is she trying to appeal to the black Americans, she should take her coloured … to South Africa’s coloured folks.
Because she is a global artist? We don't say that sh** when black American artists come to Africa
@@missbstuurmanmany mixed race americans do not identify as black. We see ourselves as mixed because thats who we are smh
@@PsychicMedium4747 and that's how it should be king.
And black social media is powerful here in America
She been called a kalid all her life thats how it is in south africa i got called black for the first time wen i went to europe didn bother me
16:06 tyla's epic records ceo is sylvia rhone, a self-described african american woman. their team came to south africa to sign her. so they are who you should be speaking to cancel the "coloured" - stop misdirecting your anger....
More research needed about South African. Also this video contributes to divide and conquer
As far as I know, Tyla been catching unnecessary hate before this debacle...
South Africans talking about African Americans are slow and illiterate. But people failed to realize not only we African Americans are known for our music, food, political movements, or fashion. But most overlook that we've contributed over 50,000 patent inventions that streamline and improved the world as we know it. We've created multi- billion dollar industries that people don't know. FBA stand up 🇺🇸
Black women DO like Tyla and her music. Stop the lies! SMH!
Stop speaking on blk woman as a whole !!! How do you kno this?
2:05 use your power then! why waste time chasing random social media comments by south africans all the way in south africa when you could just use your power in the usa, where you live, to cancel the offensive "coloured"?
Colored and Coloured have two different meanings. Like swallow and swallow.
Music is our cultural legacy not foreigners.
If she identify as colored an we identify as black there are two choices.
1. Support what you like about Tyla.
2. Or stop discussing this and leave her alone. Ignore her, and don't buy what she is sell.
Let her people in South Africa Support her.
Next subject.
Everytime someone whos a quarter black claims black however they arent accepted. Thats why you see Logic. Halsey and Jhene Aiko always get their blackness questioned
That's no surprise. If they claim black but they don't look the part, they should be questioned. If you are of African American heritage but you're not recognizable as racially black, then of course you can still claim your ethnicity, but you shouldn't call yourself black.
@@GigaTyrone1 Agreed, and my co-workers from Africa said that we shouldn't be calling ourselves African and they also made similar points. We are black American's and our culture is different.
@@khenderson6689 big facts g. Plus as an African American, I don't claim African because let's remember, them niggas literally SOLD us. So in all honesty we would look silly claiming them.
@@khenderson6689 Well, considering all African culture isn't the same that's interesting. Honestly, it's a weird conversation that involves a lot of gatekeeping on both sides.
What a hateful and biased view, so sad
Your obviously south african so ofcourse you would say that!! (shaking my head) & then you got the nerve to say the word "Biased" in your statement!!! If theres one thing that i kno is that south africans run on colorism HEAVY!!!! She got caught! Charlemagne clocked her tea, he needs a raise asap...
Tula has nothing to do with oppression of anyone she is so cute
What does cute have to do with it, are you serious!!
I don't need a song to tell me i'm thirsty. whaaaaa
This is terrible "journalism". You took away the entirety of Apartheid's complexity to give a biased oversimplified interpretation of the Coloured experience in SA. That within itself is incredibly disrespectful. The answer you want is yes and NO. Uts literally nuanced. But overall, the reality us that's they were very much oppressed and it's quite innacurate to describe them as a ", buffer group, let alone a grouo that was goinh sround oppressing Black SA'ans.
I thought she was Ariana Grande.😂😂
They look nothing alike, or sound anything alike. The only thing they have in common is they both wear fake hair
Bp race is determined by another group of people so the only difference is that the Boer's dictated coloreds racial classification and y t Euro's determined BA's racial classifcation.
Well since we are now rejecting the one drop rule...
100% colored for South Africans is like negro and black for African Americans… we took on the term however we did not call ourselves that our oppressors did…
However, that doesn’t imply that “has” to be or “names”. It isn’t a name we chose as a collective, the titles were forced on us and often quite derogatory.
Jealous 😂😂😂😂 cope my friend
3:54 ummm... wtf?
Not feeling her !!!
At all
I love your channel. I just subscribed. I'm black American and I belief you shouldn't support any non black singing artists and never support Black colorist artist like Tayla. She needs to go to South africa. Why hasn't her own South African people help her music career? I don't know who Tayla is. I don't want to know who she is.
Once again mostly stouth Africans in the comments defending what is clearly wrong, this is the best video on this topic it was well researched and it’s accurate Tyler’s team failed her
It’s really not it’s inaccurate and clearly biased
In the video, I asked ppl to correct any mistakes... I'll wait for your corrections.
well researched ? we are here telling you how physically was and is in our country . its so sad that this is how my race group is portrayed . we go back multi generationally as multi racial ... we cant just pick one . because what group would that be . we still have government forms that asks you to declare your race black , white , coloured ,indian . so what should we do please tell us . we live in mixed raced neighbourhoods .... our entire families are mixed . we cant just go and say we are zulu or xhosa or anything else . because it would be disrespectful . this whole discourse is sad . its like we didn't suffer under apparthed ... when in actual fact many of our parents and grand parents were removed from homes and dumped in terrible places , beaten up for just walking in the streets or for no reason at all . coloured people stood up and fought against apartheid too . i hate how that is never brought up
This scrap is totally, ridiculous stay home and celebrate your own people and leave Black Americans alone!! Why are you here? Stop Supporting these people if they are so, successful why are you here..😮 the Honorable
Nelson Mandela , definitely, would not appreciate her Opinions.
Just Leave go home and appreciate your success
In your own home.
😂America does not belong to you, you don't decide who comes and goes
I've just came back yesterday from South Africa. I travel a lot for personal culture and mostly for work reasons. These past 3 months Ive been going back and forth from NY (where Im' from )to South Africa. At 13:13 when you start addressing what "buffer group" is and how it is used, there is a lot of similarities in modern day with how for example indivuals like Zendaya back in the US are used by the establishment as the face of redifining blackness or some kind of Africanity in the landscape to slowly eliminate darker skin AA. the establishment grants career social advantages to those of lighter complexion or mixed individuals. As I evolve in an area of high level jobs I can clearly see how some of the people I come to work with that are non white (mixed, biracial, etc) are sometimes surprised to see a dark skin AA man at my position. Last year, I had a conversation about this with another dark skin brother at work. S.A is a complexed society with a lot similarities with our history back in the Americas. I say Americas because Ive also noticed this mechanism in the Caribbeans and South America where I also worked about 4 years ago.
And black social media is powerful here in America