I lost my husband of 29 yrs when I was 48 yrs old, I was broken,lost,and inconsolable. I am not defending jack or Jackie but we lived in a small town in Texas he ran the family pharmacy and was loved by many people. I did think of these things when I planned his funeral I wanted him to be honored for all the good he did in his life helping people. I am glad I did certain things because when I arrived at the very large church it was packed, I knew he was loved but had no idea how many lives he touched because he was a very humble man. I was able to give everyone who loved him a chance to visit.
I am sorry for your loss and hope your community continues to embrace you and your family in love and kindness for the legacy and example your beloved has left.
The strictly stylised funeral and Jackie striving for a future not dependent on the big Kennedy family sounds like Jackie needed to assert her own sense of control. You look lovely in red Cheere.
IMO, both JFK’s funeral and the “Camelot” fantasy were part and parcel of her attempt to validate her “ perfect “ husband, their “ perfect “ marriage and their “perfect” life together. At that point in time especially, she probably couldn’t have borne anyone thinking differently, or even questioning that perfection.
Well said. This lie bled into the story of her real life and it was her decision to keep that image alive or keep her dignity and find her own path. Nope, she marries Ari Onassis…. The rest is history. She made countless decisions that appear to mimic her husband’s (JFK) actions. Her words and actions give us insight of an insecure complicated woman.
Just as she had to get the stench of all his affairs off of him (figuratively) before he died, and she had to be the last woman to touch him... she continued this in the public view... guiding the public in how THEY should remember him.
As one who has experienced severe, relentless trauma, I have great empathy for Jackie. Today we know that it's not just an emotional event. It also changes the brain biologically. You don't think or act the same, you're basically a different person. Healing depends on how severe and how long the trauma occured. Age is also a factor. Unless you've experienced it, you cannot possibly understand it's impact. 💔 😪
You are right. In fact it was a very powerful metaphor that tapped into deep emotion and honorable ideals. Jackie may have manufactured the story about Jack loving the lyrics to the Broadway showtune, but there is nothing phony about the appeal of the [probably fictional] Camelot.
She picked a perfect metaphor to define the JFK moment in time. I actually hold in high regard, people that strive for perfection... Whatever that is for them!
Based on Jackie's life, I believe the Kennedy family did not have a bottomless pit of wealth. They are still wealthy compared to most people, but they are not on the same level as the Whitney family, the du Pont family, the Mellon family, or the Rockefeller family. Jack probably does not have much wealth alone; otherwise, Jackie, if she was a wealthy widow, would not have married Aristotle Onassis.
I can agree to an extent. I think their money was for blood Kennedy's I also think they are not as wealthy as it is made out, but maybe they are and they don't want people to know?
@@elzbieta_kShe didn't get much money really when Jack died, relatively speaking. The advantage of Onassis's money was that it could buy her privacy. That all money really ever buys. Freedom.
I remember Jackie redecorating the White House befitting its place in our nation. Yes, she had a good eye for design. But also of propriety of situation. Hence the seemingly easy planning of the service. I seem to remember Elizabeth and Phillip chimed in with ideas too. Jackie was known for her simple elegance. It showed in these efforts too.
Jackie's courage through the 4 days in November gave a strange comfort to the Nation. Watching her walk to the car upon arrival back to Andrews, with blood soaked skirt and stockings, which was visible on our little black and white TV was heartbreaking. The country was in great shock and sorrow, Walter Cronkite voice cracking as he announced the death of the President and anger rising throughout the Nation I remember it all. Someone said that the nation lost it's innocence because of this and that's how I would describe it. At 10 years old I realized that adults do horrific things and can't fix what went wrong. So if Jackie was a bit theatrical on the day of his funeral, so what. What she did that day gave a strange comfort as she walked behind the coffin, and nothing she did wrong after that can take that away.
The drugs that Dr. Feel Good provided helped fuel Jackie’s creativity & flat out lying about Jack’s deepness & love of Camelot. Amphetamine will provide mind expanding experiences. Yes Jackie had artist talent but the drugs gave her mind expansion & daring on steroid. Miltowns were nerve tablets handed out like candy in 1950’s & 60’s which also provided mind expansion & lots of energy.
She was one of a kind. Complicated in best possible ways! Jess Connell is covering this book as well on her channel. She's going chapter by chapter instead of grouping the women. VERY enjoyable to listen to, also lovely insights! This is a great book!
I have always enjoyed your authentically personal book nook as a backdrop for your readings. People really can complain about the most ridiculous things!!
But I'd love to know the painter of these paintings shown on those photos! They remind me very much of Caspar David Friedrich, the most famous German landscape painter.
I completely get Jackie’s desire to project this perfect image of their marriage & family, she just lost her husband in the most violent way. I find it flabbergasting that historians, the media & filmmakers continue to prop it up 60+ years later. Yes, there’s punctures, but a lot of it remains intact. They were in Texas bc his poll numbers were so bad here & he wasn’t going to easily win a second term - if at all. He wasn’t particularly popular when he was killed, but Jackie defied him postmortem, and it’s stuck. absolutely amazing.
Not only that, but it’s quite likely JFK wouldn’t have even finished his term even if he had returned alive from Dallas. The Washington Times (or Examiner, I can’t remember which) & Time magazine both had a story that they were about to break about the deportation of a beautiful East German spy that was “special friends” with JFK, who made several visits to the White House while Jackie was away. His presidency was in peril.
He would have won. In volume 4 of his biography of Lyndon Johnson, "The Passage of Power," Robert Caro states his conviction that if Lyndon Johnson hadn't had to resign because of the Bobby Baker scandal, Kennedy was going to dump him in 1964 for the young, reformist Governor of North Carolina, Terry Sanford.
@@bobtaylor170 Caro's books are SO worth reading. I agree that JFK almos certainly would have been reelected in 1964 and that there's no way that he would have continued with LBJ as VP.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 that fourth one, The Passage of Power, is one of the most interesting books I've ever read. You may remember "Judge" Moursund, Lyndon Johnson's fixer/stock tipper. His son lived in the room next to mine at The University of Texas, and was as well mannered a young gentleman as anyone I have ever been acquainted with.
15:44 This passage is so interesting considering William and Harry and how they turned out. William looking to the future because of his role, Harry seemingly "stuck" and looking backwards allowing his mother's death to be one of his most defining characteristics as a person.
Absolutely! Harry should try the trick of writing a letter to his mum and be honest about what she would agree with and what treachery she would loathe. And stop looking back. (15:28)
I wrote a note to Mrs. Kennedy as an elementary school student (it was not a class project like Markle’s commercial letter 🤭), and received back a printed card. I have it around here somewhere.
I think of military funerals, line of duty law enforcement funerals, royal funerals, etc. They are so exacting. The comfort comes, in part, from the ritual of the pomp and ceremony. It stiffens your back a bit even as it moves you. Everything must be precise - the medals, the uniform, the flags, everything. There is something in that which draws people together in the moment. I could see channeling your personal grief into the last act of your marriage that you can unilaterally control before trying to figure out what a new normal looks like for your young family alone. For as much as Jack respected her vision, I have to believe that he would probably have approved of her art directing his legacy.
Yes! I was only 7 but my Mother explained all the things from Lincoln's Funeral as we watched it. We had a book about Lincoln's Funeral at home. Very interesting, brilliant move on her part.
Somehow, somewhere, I believe the narrative was lost on the whole Camelot metaphor. The point of Camelot is the pure-of-heart King set high ideals for his people and wanted nothing less than perfection for them. "The rain may never fall till after sundown, by eight the morning fog must disappear". The table was round so no one is above another. It was utopian dreaming and finally achieved, but only for a very short time because the darker forces of the human condition destroyed it. And that's what I believe Jackie wanted to portray..."Let them see what they've done" The last line in the song is, "in short there's simply not, a more congenial spot, for happily-ever-aftering than here in Camelot" I would invite anyone reading this book to listen to the whole recording of the song, it's pretty wonderful! Jackie rose to the occasion on this one elevating JFK s legacy.
I was in grade one when my teacher left the classroom to be told the news of the tragedy by the school principal. She came back into the classroom to tell all of us 5 and 6 year old children that ‘a great man had died today’. I am the same age as Caroline Kennedy so I remember JFK’s assassination with remarkable empathy…I could imagine how sad I’d be if my daddy died. Also, it was the first time I’d ever seen my mother cry. These two memories helped imprint this tragedy in my mind. Those of us of a certain age always remember where we were when JFK was killed.
I don't know why schools would do that to small children, but it apparently happened everywhere. I'm a week older than John Jr, and all I can remember is people talking on TV all day instead of the junk we usually watched.
I always wondered why Jackie acted so destitute prior to getting with Ari. She used the kids’ needs as an excuse to, but I think she was worried about her own standard of living.
@@ralphl7643she and the kids were protected by the secret service as far as money old Joe Kennedy had established trust funds for each of his children supposedly in amount of ten million plus a trust for grandchildren those born and ones that would come over the years, I sure she was entitled to that money.
Camelot was a very popular movie back then. My mother took me to see it the following year, and she even bought the sound track LP, which I played endlessly I can still remember all the lyrics if I think about it. Jackie did an amazing job crafting their images. We knew nothing of the truth about Jack for many years, and about Jackie's... ahem.. "idiosyncrasies" very much later. The funeral was so beautiful. Jackie had the White House storage areas searched until President Lincoln's catafalque was located for the President. We'd just received our first portable black and white TV given to my mom and shipped from Georgia to California by my grandmother. My mom had NOT wanted a TV, but there it was. As we watched, tears streamed down her face. For a period of time, many adults throughout our town were seen with puffy, red rimmed eyes.
Enjoying your videos! 'The Mountbatten's', excellent! Just so you know, Joe Kennedy, Sr. did not die until Nov. 1969, a mute prisoner in his stroked-out body. A fitting end for such an evil bastard. He was aware of what was going on, he couldn't speak.
That Camelot story may be weird, but it worked. People were talking about the Kennedy era as Camelot even when Jackie died. People wanted to believe it, no matter what came out afterward.
The Camelot trope was used for decades after JFK's death. She really put that into the world for posterity. Funny, that even in Camelot both Arthur and Guinevere had affairs. So it's an apt analogy. Happy Birthday to your daughter!
Happy Birthday, to your daughter!🎈 Sounds like Jackie sure could forsee things as iconic moments of time. That video and picture of John Jr. saluting his father’s casket was moving, sad, adorable, and unforgettable all at once.
I believe Jackie was going on shock, when she planned everything. In her head she wanted to world to know that theirs was a great love story, so how could she not spin this and plan it so it would go down in history as they were American Royals. It was a funeral to remember, I was only six and even I was captivated and loved and followed them all my life. Can’t wait for next episode. Happy 13 Birthday to your new teenager.
I was a child when John was killed. I remember a disliked teacher, coming out to the school yard in tears..."The President has been assassinated." I did not understand the word. I remember the funeral. I remember my grandmother, not a fan of the Kennedys saying negative things about the funeral and how jarring it was, because everyone and thing else was about the death of a saint. I remember being at the University during Watergate and a quote from Nixon crying about how unfair it all was because what he had done was nothing, NOTHING, compared to what the Kennedys had done. I remember the story of Camelot and has taken an entire lifetime to understand what a lie it all was.
If you are interested, Tucker recently interviewed Geoff Shepard on his podcast. He gives some fascinating insights as to the inner workings of some of our three-letter agencies, the media, and powerful party machines as well as what went down as opposed to what was presented. It is available on YT if you'd like to check it out.
@@jlennon1779thanks for that info. I’m going to check it out! I did listen to something, here on CZcams, about how JFK had secured the democratic nomination. 😳 I so wish I could remember what it was, I have wanted to be able to share it.
@@jlennon1779 I saw that. It was mostly about Watergate and how Nixon was stabbed by treacherous John Dean and unethical Judge Sirica. My SIL's father worked for Hoover in the FBI before WW2 and saw enough dubious stuff that he quit when they wanted to send him on a dangerous South American mission.
It seems like Jackie was obsessed with cultivating this perfect image of her life, her husband, his legacy and presidency, their children and the wider Kennedy family that she forgot one very important fact....if you give the people fool's gold it only takes a simple scratch to see the truth below the false façade. The fact that even the reporter that was interviewing her back then called BS on the whole "Camelot" quote Jackie attributed to Jack was proof enough that her attempts to gaslight the public weren't going to work for long. Sure sounds like Jackie-O may just have been the OG Kris Jenner! 🤣 Another brilliant chapter....thank you for posting even on such a special day Cheere! Wishing your daughter the Happiest of Birthdays! 🎂🎊🎈🎁🥳🎂
She was writing about a life that didn't exist except in her mind. She had a life of fame and money but not much else and from listening to these chapters it seems she didn't do such a good job of raising decent children. If we are to believe what her children were like she even failed there. We've heard of what JFK Jr was like, not a 'catch' at all. Certainly one to be avoided. Caroline doesn't seem to be a particularly nice person and her son is a grifter who certainly plays on his Kennedy connections, he's a 30 odd year old man who 'goofs' around on Instagram.
But we were gaslit for decades. In '72, McGovern begged Teddy to be his VP, 3 years after Chappaquidick. He ran in '80, after JFK's sex life became known, and only a disastrous interview stopped him from unseating Carter.
So true. She was absolutely complicit in the whole charade and an enabler of her husband’s behaviour. I wish the author had gone back a generation or two to see where this sick dysfunction all started but understand that isn’t the purview of the book.
Some people are so hateful about it and it really annoys me. Would you walk into someone’s house and criticize their home? That’s what people do every time they sound off on how I’ve chosen to decorate my space. It’s so rude, it shocks me everytime it happens.
I liked the way you described Jackie taking charge of Jack’s legacy. It reminded me of the way Eliza kept the memory of her husband Alexander Hamilton in the public consciousness.
Hi Cheere! Happy birthday to your daughter. You look beautiful in red as I sit here in my PJ's. 😂 You're absolutely right about the double standard. I think Jackie was extremely close to Bobby after Jack's death, and he was married with many children.
No one is perfect, but Jackie is guilty of idealizing her husband who just passed. There are worse things she could do. If she told the truth and said he was hooked on speed and a sex addict and wasn't even any good in bed, and he gave her STDs I don't think the world would look on that favorably either.
I don't know what its like to lose a husband and such a prominent one at that. But my 38 year old son Jack died just three and a half months ago and I felt a driving need to take care of his affairs, curate his work, images and videos, talk with his friends, etc. My Jack wasn't married and had no children. I am his next of kin along with my daughters. I felt that the only way I could show my love was to care for his story. No more hugs, calls, or gatherings. It's devastating. I give Jackie full marks for just doing her best to preserve her husband’s legacy for his children and for his public persona. Grief is impossibly difficult. JFKs shenanigans would be told by others but Jackie’s purpose was to paint him in the best light - it's peobably all she could see at that point.
I was 13 when JFK was killed. No school until after the funeral. The entire family was glued to the TV. We bought all the big newspapers for the 4 days until the funeral. We were heartbroken watching Walter Cronkite get teary announcing JFK's death. We were beyond shocked watching Lee Harvey Oswald get killed on live TV. JFK Jr's salute, Jackie's bravery ... we all only knew what was on TV and radio and in the newspapers. If it happened now, it would be all so different, with Internet input on everything. This book is fascinating. I knew some things, but, because I idolized Jackie, before and after the assassination, the less pleasant things I probably ignored.
Your style as to your workspace is quite nice. I especially like your print if "The Gleaners". I actually have 3 framed prints of that picture in my own home. All different sizes and one in black and white. Another is a watercolor. It's a comforting and soothing print.
You are churning these out... I actually came to relive your hilarious telling of Spare while I complete an arduous photography session of my work.. don't need much thought for Spare, but will put my feet up later, stare at my beautiful aquarium, have some cake and wine and listen properly to this.😊
You got this 100% right. It’s clear that the writer gives JO a pass on all her bad behaviors ( and other “ female victims” ) while coming down so hard on poor Carolyn Besette, repeating all the tabloids’ gossip about her. And your background looks just fine. ❤
I have always loved your background especially the bookcase. It is really sad people find it necessary to criticize such minor things. I can just imagine what their home decor looks like 🤪🤪
The story about JFK being super into “Camelot” may have been phony through and through, but there was, and is, nothing phony about the appeal of the Camelot legend and the ideals it represents, which tap into the deep human longing for goodness and justice and leadership that represents those ideals. I think it was actually quite brilliant of Jackie to recognize that. Like some others here, I had a mother who loved musicals and she bought the record of “Camelot”, which, of course, was a smash hit on Broadway. The record album opened up and had beautiful photos of the cast in their medieval costumes and the wonderful sets. Like some others here, I listened to it over and over.
Aww, thank you for finding time to slot us in on your daughter's birthday, I'm sure no one would have minded waiting, though I was very happy to see your post. I hope your daughter has a really great day, it's our 15th wedding anniversary today, we have fish & chips every anniversary, but they're shut on Sunday, so we're having raspberry tarts with cream. Have a great day with your daughter and thanks for making time for us today. 🎉❤🇬🇧
The Kennedy wealth hasn’t prevented Jacks assassination or Bobby’s (possibly the final deciding factor in her decision to marry Onassis). It has also been stated many times that Jackie preferred not to be in too close contact with her in-laws because she didn’t want her children to associate constantly with their Kennedy cousins. Onassis’ status and his residency in Greece would provide the privacy and insulation from intrusive paparazzi for her children.
Happy birthday to your daughter! 🎉🎉 PS-I’ve always loved your background! What paintings are behind you? The books and paintings are lovely and calming.
If Jacqueline Kennedy knew anything, it was anesthetics. If you look at photos of that funeral, everything about it was perfection. The world was watching, and she did the nation proud. (Recall, too, this was at a time of heightened global tension. Just in terms of national security, the funeral conveyed the message the government was not in disarray.)
Jackie knew exactly what she was doing, she was getting in first - the general public swallowed the whole Camelot thing hook, line & sinker. You just have to see how people reacted when she married Onassis. It wasn’t until decades later that the truth came out about Jack & the rest of the family.
I believe Jackie also recognized that having a dignified funeral after such a tragedy was important historically and for the reputation of our democracy. It was likely a relief for Jackie to exercise her impeccabile taste and knowledge of history as a buffer from her deep grief. Getting busy in tough times was a value of her generation. She showed the world that losing Jack was the world's loss, not just her own. We owe her a debt and I, for one, am grateful, and give her grace for her humanity post the most horrific and painful day of her life. May she rest in peace.
If you want to read a book about a good and decent person, might I suggest “The Mysterious Mrs. Nixon.” It’s about the former First Lady Par Nixon. It’s a fantastic read! Such an awesome lady!
I love your background and I studied Interior design and I'm currently working as a graphic designer. It's a personal little corner showing much character.
@@msbeecee1 why? It is her personal space... It's a working area. I know that we do not live in a design magazine or in an Instagram feed. Does every area, every corner of your home look instagram perfect all the time or do you live and work in your home?
@annelikriek6294 well that area is a VIDEO SET, which would normally be curated w slightly more care since it's going out to world and represents her & her brand. Kind of like a resume needs to be "best food forward," not our everyday ordinary. I'm not judging harshly. Just offering suggestions for improvement & I love her either way!
Who goes to someone's site to call their background "junky and trashy"? You are gorgeous, your background speaks of your interests and happy birthday to your daughter. Subbed!
It is all in the eye of the beholder. I thought as a young man (late twenties) JFK was good looking. As a 43 year old president, he was handsome but not gorgeous, already affected by the facial puffiness of corticosteroid shots for pain.
My opinion....Jackie did made all of these decisions not for Jack but for herself. She wanted the world to believe they had this amazing marriage for her sake. Jackie was a narcissist in my opinion
You’re doing such a great job. I love seeing your numbers go up. Can you think about doing one about Eleanor Roosevelt? I know quite a bit about her. She was a great woman with many flaws like the rest of us, but I think she did a lot of good for our country.
Thank you Cheere for another awesome delivery! Happy birthday to your 13-year-old and I pray that you and your family are blessed! Thank you and your family for your valuable time!❤
I haven’t finished the upload yet so this may be premature but am I the only person that remembers what Kennedys do to women that are no longer usable? Why isn’t Jackie right to be concerned for her future?
That concern escalated after the assassination of RFK. Reportedly, it was concern for her children’s safety. Don’t know how accurate that was, but under the circumstances, it would certainly make sense.
She stayed and stayed at the WH-LBJ was losing his patience and wanted her out, but because it was Jackie, he wouldn’t throw her out. She finally left but it took quite a while.
Cheere, Your channel is part of my weekly go-to. Love your sensibilities. I also listen to Jess Connell - she has referenced your podcast and I started listening to both of you - you’re both reading “Ask Not” - so the material is redundant but the perspectives each unique and so I’m reading the book with both of you!
I lived during that time. Believe me, the Camelot line worked big time. The Camelot image resurfaced in all areas of the media. We were continuously bombarded with it. My family and I could hardly hear those repeated lines or listen to Camelot music without getting tearful.
Okay- it’s the teacher in me to correct when I hear mispronounced words- it’s not vay-pid with a long ‘a’ it’s vapid- with a short ‘a’ sound. I’m loving the reading of this book!!!
Great reading, reactions and insight. I imagine your set as a soundproof closet. Love it. The wall looks fine. This is my first dip into the Kennedys and I love it.
Happy birthday to your daughter! I think she was aware that her children will only know their father through what they read/heard about him in the future and wanted them to only think good of him. If my husband was killed i dont think i would be telling the kids (by having it go i to history) about his failings or our hardship or if he was womanising, in the shock of the moment all you can think of is all the good times anyway, but i would want my children to know how highly i though of their dad and how much he loved me and us..
Hello🎉. I love your channel I have to say. It’s difficult to place judgement on them for their human weaknesses. For her to have planned his lasting legacy the way she did shows at the end of the day she saw his good outweighed any of his weaknesses. In the short time he had as president he did so many positive things which stood against the military advisors he had. You should look at some of the tapes from those tense times. I believe he was the first president who was truly out for a better global world
I enjoy looking at your books and artwork-I have a couple of your book titles written down to check out later. Thank you for your awesome commentary!🙏🏻
I've always loved your background and the fact that you recreate it every time you move. It looks pretty much like every English major's dorm room I've ever been in. 💖
Yes. That’s exactly what they want. They want a blank wall, maybe a potted plant. The thing is, I can see the beauty in that style, but I also hate homogenization of style and I think we should let people be themselves. I don’t need to fit my background to your tastes, ya know?
@@cheeredenise YES! Here's an idea: Use ChatGPT to generate commentary from the audiobook, display an Avatar that looks like you, and populate a green screen with ever changing content that mirrors the subject you are covering. Everyone will love it. I hate to tell these people that the beautiful Wizard of OZ world they want is just Frank Morgan working some controls that produce fire & brimstone. No one wants to hear the truth!
Addendum: I've written AI code for many years and It is just stochastics; Your content is not that but rather a real live human being offering **thinking commentary*"!
@@cheeredenise For those that don't like the background, I have a number of video interviews (Theodore White being one) taken in the office of their home; Pretty common actually. I don't triggers people about an office setting.
It's honestly the first time that I've heard about her and Bobby. Where have I been?😂But I'm not surprised as you say, trauma bonding. I was hoping to find out more about Bobby and his wife. It's always confused me. 😂😅❤
I love your comments.., yes grief and drugs drove Jackie to keep Camelot alive or a combination of her own psyche trying to recreate her story and fairytale BS. So sad that she never tried to make it through on her own with less drama.
I remember that magazine cover. I was only 4, but I remember earnestly telling my father “that’s the President that got shotted.” The Camelot comparison always made me gag. I can’t believe Miss Jackie herself came up with something that silly. It must have been the drugs, combined perhaps with desperation because she wasn’t the only one that knew just who and what Jack had been.
With traumatic episodes in life, humans try to mitigate trauma by taking control of what they can. I’m not surprised that Jackie “activated” for the funeral - planning it and making it beautiful was probably a self-soothing mechanism, and gave her a feeling of accomplishment and control. It probably also mitigated the guilt of not having been able to help Jack, so there was something she felt she could do for him. I think it makes perfect sense. When you are grieving, random things become life or death as a way of making it through, until you are strong enough to actually processed what happened. It’s like when you feel overwhelmed as a parent, loads of mothers will clean and tidy to gain a sense of control and peace. I definitely am someone who breaks down when I’m overwhelmed and I feel my surroundings are “ugly” - it will tip me over the edge after a difficult day (and my husband finds it completely bemusing). I think Jackie might have been the same.
Just as well Jackie managed to squeeze money out of Joe, she was going to need it as Jack's widow. I was actually surprised how little she got after JFK's death. He left a trust that was supposed to provide for her and the children, but she had no control over it and it consisted of property, stocks, etc.... no cash. I suspect her mother-in-law was one of the trustees, as she managed Joe's money at the time. I read somewhere that the old bat kept her widowed daughters-in-law on a very tight leash, Ethel in particular was forced to grovel to afford running a household with 11 young children. From the State, Jackie got a pension, six months support for an office to tie up her and Jack's official affairs, and only a year of protection service for her and the children...she was going to have to pay for any future staff and protection herself. Since Jack had sold their Georgetown house when he became President, she literally had nowhere to go. Ambassador Hillman vacated his home in Washington to give her a termporary place to stay when she left the White House on 6 December, and most of their things went into storage. She didn't feel safe in Washington, and decided to buy the apartment in New York - probably with the Joe money - kept a full time secretary and I suppose a house help. She wasn't destitute and they lived comfortably, but all in all she wasn't swimming in money either. Probably why she knee-jerked into marrying Onassis so soon after Bobby's murder, he could afford to protect her and her children. Ari was her ticket to wealth, not the Kennedy's.
Hope your daughter has a wonderful birthday! Thank you for taking time away from the celebration to read for us. As always looking forward to the next chapter.
Happy Birthday to your daughter.🎊🎂🎊 Such compelling listening,. Jackie using her power as The grieving widow to create the lasting image of JFK as she wanted it to be seen.
I like to listen to you read these books and the insight you give on them. I don’t know why some people would say not to talk about it as you read because to me it validates or opens up an opinion or view on the same thoughts I have or a new thought. ❤
Protecting John’s legacy, protected her own.
@@user-lk7wk3cd8e and her children's.
Plus her children.
Caroline is the one who's still alive and 3 children of her own and probably just lives her life and knows about the smuk in the era of hell.
I lost my husband of 29 yrs when I was 48 yrs old, I was broken,lost,and inconsolable. I am not defending jack or Jackie but we lived in a small town in Texas he ran the family pharmacy and was loved by many people.
I did think of these things when I planned his funeral I wanted him to be honored for all the good he did in his life helping people.
I am glad I did certain things because when I arrived at the very large church it was packed, I knew he was loved but had no idea how many lives he touched because he was a very humble man. I was able to give everyone who loved him a chance to visit.
I am sorry for your loss and hope your community continues to embrace you and your family in love and kindness for the legacy and example your beloved has left.
@@sondrasanchez1474 yours is an awesome story and you're a fine lady! Thank you for sharing with us 🤗
God bless
The aesthetic eye is something you don't turn off, not for funerals or any other crisis. It is ingrained.
That is so true. Trained as an interior designer and my eye never turns off. I have to remind myself most people don't think that way.
The fact that you keep your reading area unpretentious is refreshing as can be, Cheere. Wishing your child a very happy birthday!🎉🎈 🎂
I enjoy that also. Thank you.
The strictly stylised funeral and Jackie striving for a future not dependent on the big Kennedy family sounds like Jackie needed to assert her own sense of control.
You look lovely in red Cheere.
IMO, both JFK’s funeral and the “Camelot” fantasy were part and parcel of her attempt to validate her “ perfect “ husband, their “ perfect “ marriage and their “perfect” life together. At that point in time especially, she probably couldn’t have borne anyone thinking differently, or even questioning that perfection.
Well said. This lie bled into the story of her real life and it was her decision to keep that image alive or keep her dignity and find her own path. Nope, she marries Ari Onassis…. The rest is history. She made countless decisions that appear to mimic her husband’s (JFK) actions. Her words and actions give us insight of an insecure complicated woman.
I’m sure she didn’t want the kids to know what their parents marriage was really like.
Just as she had to get the stench of all his affairs off of him (figuratively) before he died, and she had to be the last woman to touch him... she continued this in the public view... guiding the public in how THEY should remember him.
As one who has experienced severe, relentless trauma, I have great empathy for Jackie. Today we know that it's not just an emotional event. It also changes the brain biologically. You don't think or act the same, you're basically a different person. Healing depends on how severe and how long the trauma occured. Age is also a factor. Unless you've experienced it, you cannot possibly understand it's impact. 💔 😪
If you haven't read "The Body Keeps the Score," by Bessel vander Kolk, M.D., that's a book for you.
the play, Camelot, was a huge hit back in the 1960's. Most of America loved the Camelot metaphor Jackie offered.
You are right. In fact it was a very powerful metaphor that tapped into deep emotion and honorable ideals. Jackie may have manufactured the story about Jack loving the lyrics to the Broadway showtune, but there is nothing phony about the appeal of the [probably fictional] Camelot.
"The Once and Future King," by T.H.White.
Camelot was pure Jackie. The pursuit of perfection.
The irony is the legend of'Camelot was anything but perfect
The play “Camelot” was a big hit on Broadway at the time so alluding to it made sense as it was part of the early 60s zeitgeist.
The pursuit of fantasy
She picked a perfect metaphor to define the JFK moment in time. I actually hold in high regard, people that strive for perfection... Whatever that is for them!
@@ehilton96 I thought the same thing.
Based on Jackie's life, I believe the Kennedy family did not have a bottomless pit of wealth. They are still wealthy compared to most people, but they are not on the same level as the Whitney family, the du Pont family, the Mellon family, or the Rockefeller family. Jack probably does not have much wealth alone; otherwise, Jackie, if she was a wealthy widow, would not have married Aristotle Onassis.
I can agree to an extent. I think their money was for blood Kennedy's I also think they are not as wealthy as it is made out, but maybe they are and they don't want people to know?
The Kennedy WERE very wealthy but Onassis was much, much, much wealthier. And Jackie was nothing if not greedy.
I remember magazine articles featuring Jackie on shopping sprees spending Onassis’ money, she was over the top.
@@elzbieta_kShe didn't get much money really when Jack died, relatively speaking.
The advantage of Onassis's money was that it could buy her privacy. That all money really ever buys. Freedom.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 So we agree that she married Ari for his billions?
I remember Jackie redecorating the White House befitting its place in our nation. Yes, she had a good eye for design. But also of propriety of situation. Hence the seemingly easy planning of the service. I seem to remember Elizabeth and Phillip chimed in with ideas too. Jackie was known for her simple elegance. It showed in these efforts too.
She elevated the people and things around her, nothing wrong with that. And she did what she thought was best for her family... Always.
Jackie's courage through the 4 days in November gave a strange comfort to the Nation. Watching her walk to the car upon arrival back to Andrews, with blood soaked skirt and stockings, which was visible on our little black and white TV was heartbreaking. The country was in great shock and sorrow, Walter Cronkite voice cracking as he announced the death of the President and anger rising throughout the Nation I remember it all. Someone said that the nation lost it's innocence because of this and that's how I would describe it. At 10 years old I realized that adults do horrific things and can't fix what went wrong. So if Jackie was a bit theatrical on the day of his funeral, so what. What she did that day gave a strange comfort as she walked behind the coffin, and nothing she did wrong after that can take that away.
It took strength to hold up the nation. Jackie led by example.
-She was only 34 years old. I find it so incredible that she was able to plan such a majestic funeral at that age and under that situation.
She didn't do it all on her own, quite the opposite. She only took care that her wishes were incorporated.
The drugs that Dr. Feel Good provided helped fuel Jackie’s creativity & flat out lying about Jack’s deepness & love of Camelot.
Amphetamine will provide mind expanding experiences. Yes Jackie had artist talent but the drugs gave her mind expansion & daring on steroid. Miltowns were nerve tablets handed out like candy in 1950’s & 60’s which also provided mind expansion & lots of energy.
@@jenniferlane6720 And in the meantime, they were washing their ceilings at 3:00 am.
@@elzbieta_k not true
She was one of a kind. Complicated in best possible ways! Jess Connell is covering this book as well on her channel. She's going chapter by chapter instead of grouping the women. VERY enjoyable to listen to, also lovely insights! This is a great book!
I have always enjoyed your authentically personal book nook as a backdrop for your readings. People really can complain about the most ridiculous things!!
@@silva7493 yes, I think it's great. Very personal. People just love find fault everywhere.
I agree, and see not only my favorite painting on the wall, but one of my favorite books as well.
But I'd love to know the painter of these paintings shown on those photos! They remind me very much of Caspar David Friedrich, the most famous German landscape painter.
@@EllieD.Violet I know Jean Francois Millet painted The Gleaners in the 1850s. That's my favorite painting. The others I'm not sure of.
@@shelleysykes5317I enjoyed reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
I completely get Jackie’s desire to project this perfect image of their marriage & family, she just lost her husband in the most violent way. I find it flabbergasting that historians, the media & filmmakers continue to prop it up 60+ years later. Yes, there’s punctures, but a lot of it remains intact.
They were in Texas bc his poll numbers were so bad here & he wasn’t going to easily win a second term - if at all. He wasn’t particularly popular when he was killed, but Jackie defied him postmortem, and it’s stuck. absolutely amazing.
Not only that, but it’s quite likely JFK wouldn’t have even finished his term even if he had returned alive from Dallas.
The Washington Times (or Examiner, I can’t remember which) & Time magazine both had a story that they were about to break about the deportation of a beautiful East German spy that was “special friends” with JFK, who made several visits to the White House while Jackie was away. His presidency was in peril.
I get her desire
He would have won. In volume 4 of his biography of Lyndon Johnson, "The Passage of Power," Robert Caro states his conviction that if Lyndon Johnson hadn't had to resign because of the Bobby Baker scandal, Kennedy was going to dump him in 1964 for the young, reformist Governor of North Carolina, Terry Sanford.
@@bobtaylor170 Caro's books are SO worth reading.
I agree that JFK almos certainly would have been reelected in 1964 and that there's no way that he would have continued with LBJ as VP.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 that fourth one, The Passage of Power, is one of the most interesting books I've ever read. You may remember "Judge" Moursund, Lyndon Johnson's fixer/stock tipper. His son lived in the room next to mine at The University of Texas, and was as well mannered a young gentleman as anyone I have ever been acquainted with.
15:44 This passage is so interesting considering William and Harry and how they turned out. William looking to the future because of his role, Harry seemingly "stuck" and looking backwards allowing his mother's death to be one of his most defining characteristics as a person.
Absolutely! Harry should try the trick of writing a letter to his mum and be honest about what she would agree with and what treachery she would loathe. And stop looking back.
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I wrote a note to Mrs. Kennedy as an elementary school student (it was not a class project like Markle’s commercial letter 🤭), and received back a printed card. I have it around here somewhere.
I think of military funerals, line of duty law enforcement funerals, royal funerals, etc. They are so exacting. The comfort comes, in part, from the ritual of the pomp and ceremony. It stiffens your back a bit even as it moves you. Everything must be precise - the medals, the uniform, the flags, everything. There is something in that which draws people together in the moment.
I could see channeling your personal grief into the last act of your marriage that you can unilaterally control before trying to figure out what a new normal looks like for your young family alone.
For as much as Jack respected her vision, I have to believe that he would probably have approved of her art directing his legacy.
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I’ve also heard that Jackie planned the funeral modeled after Abraham Lincoln‘s.
Yes. I recall the riderless black horse with the tall boots placed backwards in the stirrups was inspired by Lincoln's funeral.
Yes! I was only 7 but my Mother explained all the things from Lincoln's Funeral as we watched it. We had a book about Lincoln's Funeral at home. Very interesting, brilliant move on her part.
Somehow, somewhere, I believe the narrative was lost on the whole Camelot metaphor. The point of Camelot is the pure-of-heart King set high ideals for his people and wanted nothing less than perfection for them. "The rain may never fall till after sundown, by eight the morning fog must disappear". The table was round so no one is above another. It was utopian dreaming and finally achieved, but only for a very short time because the darker forces of the human condition destroyed it. And that's what I believe Jackie wanted to portray..."Let them see what they've done"
The last line in the song is, "in short there's simply not, a more congenial spot, for happily-ever-aftering than here in Camelot"
I would invite anyone reading this book to listen to the whole recording of the song, it's pretty wonderful!
Jackie rose to the occasion on this one elevating JFK s legacy.
I was in grade one when my teacher left the classroom to be told the news of the tragedy by the school principal. She came back into the classroom to tell all of us 5 and 6 year old children that ‘a great man had died today’. I am the same age as Caroline Kennedy so I remember JFK’s assassination with remarkable empathy…I could imagine how sad I’d be if my daddy died. Also, it was the first time I’d ever seen my mother cry. These two memories helped imprint this tragedy in my mind. Those of us of a certain age always remember where we were when JFK was killed.
We are the same age! I remember the principal telling the news over the intercom, and being so confused because our principal's own name was Kennedy.
I don't know why schools would do that to small children, but it apparently happened everywhere. I'm a week older than John Jr, and all I can remember is people talking on TV all day instead of the junk we usually watched.
I remember too seeing my mom cry for the first time, I was in 5th grade. 😢
I always wondered why Jackie acted so destitute prior to getting with Ari.
She used the kids’ needs as an excuse to, but I think she was worried about her own standard of living.
Punitive tax rates before '82 made it difficult to afford staff, security people, and the life to which she become accustomed.
Amen to that!!!
Huh?
@@ralphl7643she and the kids were protected by the secret service as far as money old Joe Kennedy had established trust funds for each of his children supposedly in amount of ten million plus a trust for grandchildren those born and ones that would come over the years, I sure she was entitled to that money.
Camelot was a very popular movie back then. My mother took me to see it the following year, and she even bought the sound track LP, which I played endlessly I can still remember all the lyrics if I think about it. Jackie did an amazing job crafting their images. We knew nothing of the truth about Jack for many years, and about Jackie's... ahem.. "idiosyncrasies" very much later. The funeral was so beautiful. Jackie had the White House storage areas searched until President Lincoln's catafalque was located for the President. We'd just received our first portable black and white TV given to my mom and shipped from Georgia to California by my grandmother. My mom had NOT wanted a TV, but there it was. As we watched, tears streamed down her face. For a period of time, many adults throughout our town were seen with puffy, red rimmed eyes.
Enjoying your videos! 'The Mountbatten's', excellent! Just so you know, Joe Kennedy, Sr. did not die until Nov. 1969, a mute prisoner in his stroked-out body. A fitting end for such an evil bastard. He was aware of what was going on, he couldn't speak.
Good morning from Indiana!! As a teenager, I was fascinated by Jackie Kennedy (I’m now 60)…boy howdy 🤠 I had no idea lol!!
That Camelot story may be weird, but it worked. People were talking about the Kennedy era as Camelot even when Jackie died. People wanted to believe it, no matter what came out afterward.
Yes I agree it worked for the zeitgeist of the time even tho Vheere may find it cringe now
I know that trips me out
The Camelot trope was used for decades after JFK's death. She really put that into the world for posterity. Funny, that even in Camelot both Arthur and Guinevere had affairs. So it's an apt analogy. Happy Birthday to your daughter!
Happy Birthday, to your daughter!🎈
Sounds like Jackie sure could forsee things as iconic moments of time. That video and picture of John Jr. saluting his father’s casket was moving, sad, adorable, and unforgettable all at once.
I believe Jackie was going on shock, when she planned everything. In her head she wanted to world to know that theirs was a great love story, so how could she not spin this and plan it so it would go down in history as they were American Royals. It was a funeral to remember, I was only six and even I was captivated and loved and followed them all my life. Can’t wait for next episode. Happy 13 Birthday to your new teenager.
I was five and I remember seeing it.
I was a child when John was killed. I remember a disliked teacher, coming out to the school yard in tears..."The President has been assassinated." I did not understand the word. I remember the funeral. I remember my grandmother, not a fan of the Kennedys saying negative things about the funeral and how jarring it was, because everyone and thing else was about the death of a saint. I remember being at the University during Watergate and a quote from Nixon crying about how unfair it all was because what he had done was nothing, NOTHING, compared to what the Kennedys had done. I remember the story of Camelot and has taken an entire lifetime to understand what a lie it all was.
I found out decades later that my grandfather said he got what he deserved. He was also dead within a year, so karma.
If you are interested, Tucker recently interviewed Geoff Shepard on his podcast. He gives some fascinating insights as to the inner workings of some of our three-letter agencies, the media, and powerful party machines as well as what went down as opposed to what was presented. It is available on YT if you'd like to check it out.
@@jlennon1779thanks for that info. I’m going to check it out! I did listen to something, here on CZcams, about how JFK had secured the democratic nomination. 😳 I so wish I could remember what it was, I have wanted to be able to share it.
@@jlennon1779 I saw that. It was mostly about Watergate and how Nixon was stabbed by treacherous John Dean and unethical Judge Sirica. My SIL's father worked for Hoover in the FBI before WW2 and saw enough dubious stuff that he quit when they wanted to send him on a dangerous South American mission.
It seems like Jackie was obsessed with cultivating this perfect image of her life, her husband, his legacy and presidency, their children and the wider Kennedy family that she forgot one very important fact....if you give the people fool's gold it only takes a simple scratch to see the truth below the false façade. The fact that even the reporter that was interviewing her back then called BS on the whole "Camelot" quote Jackie attributed to Jack was proof enough that her attempts to gaslight the public weren't going to work for long. Sure sounds like Jackie-O may just have been the OG Kris Jenner! 🤣 Another brilliant chapter....thank you for posting even on such a special day Cheere! Wishing your daughter the Happiest of Birthdays! 🎂🎊🎈🎁🥳🎂
She was writing about a life that didn't exist except in her mind. She had a life of fame and money but not much else and from listening to these chapters it seems she didn't do such a good job of raising decent children. If we are to believe what her children were like she even failed there. We've heard of what JFK Jr was like, not a 'catch' at all. Certainly one to be avoided. Caroline doesn't seem to be a particularly nice person and her son is a grifter who certainly plays on his Kennedy connections, he's a 30 odd year old man who 'goofs' around on Instagram.
Well said!
But we were gaslit for decades. In '72, McGovern begged Teddy to be his VP, 3 years after Chappaquidick. He ran in '80, after JFK's sex life became known, and only a disastrous interview stopped him from unseating Carter.
So true. She was absolutely complicit in the whole charade and an enabler of her husband’s behaviour.
I wish the author had gone back a generation or two to see where this sick dysfunction all started but understand that isn’t the purview of the book.
@@michelegraham9044 Excellent point....maybe Cheere can review a book on Joseph and Ethel Kennedy. That would be absolutely fascinating.
Seriously ? I LOVE your background lol its simple and classy.
Some people are so hateful about it and it really annoys me. Would you walk into someone’s house and criticize their home? That’s what people do every time they sound off on how I’ve chosen to decorate my space. It’s so rude, it shocks me everytime it happens.
I liked the way you described Jackie taking charge of Jack’s legacy. It reminded me of the way Eliza kept the memory of her husband Alexander Hamilton in the public consciousness.
Hi Cheere! Happy birthday to your daughter. You look beautiful in red as I sit here in my PJ's. 😂
You're absolutely right about the double standard. I think Jackie was extremely close to Bobby after Jack's death, and he was married with many children.
Thanks for being here at all on your daughter’s birthday. I’ve been looking forward to this.
No one is perfect, but Jackie is guilty of idealizing her husband who just passed. There are worse things she could do. If she told the truth and said he was hooked on speed and a sex addict and wasn't even any good in bed, and he gave her STDs I don't think the world would look on that favorably either.
If Jackie disclosed that, it would be like washing your dirty linen in public! And we know how that has worked for Harry & Megan….
Well said!
Your background is fine. It is a book-reading channel. It makes sense to have your book corner in the background.
I don't know what its like to lose a husband and such a prominent one at that. But my 38 year old son Jack died just three and a half months ago and I felt a driving need to take care of his affairs, curate his work, images and videos, talk with his friends, etc. My Jack wasn't married and had no children. I am his next of kin along with my daughters. I felt that the only way I could show my love was to care for his story. No more hugs, calls, or gatherings. It's devastating. I give Jackie full marks for just doing her best to preserve her husband’s legacy for his children and for his public persona. Grief is impossibly difficult. JFKs shenanigans would be told by others but Jackie’s purpose was to paint him in the best light - it's peobably all she could see at that point.
My sincerest prayers go out to you and your family.
@@roriemarie2968 thank you. It still feels impossible. 🩵
that letter to maria tibbit was really thoughtful and extremely kind.
I was 13 when JFK was killed. No school until after the funeral. The entire family was glued to the TV. We bought all the big newspapers for the 4 days until the funeral. We were heartbroken watching Walter Cronkite get teary announcing JFK's death. We were beyond shocked watching Lee Harvey Oswald get killed on live TV. JFK Jr's salute, Jackie's bravery ... we all only knew what was on TV and radio and in the newspapers. If it happened now, it would be all so different, with Internet input on everything. This book is fascinating. I knew some things, but, because I idolized Jackie, before and after the assassination, the less pleasant things I probably ignored.
Your style as to your workspace is quite nice. I especially like your print if "The Gleaners". I actually have 3 framed prints of that picture in my own home. All different sizes and one in black and white. Another is a watercolor. It's a comforting and soothing print.
Happy Birthday 🎈 🎂🎉❤ hope all her birthday wishes come true ❤
An excellent interpretation of this tumultuous time and these complicated people; you have the knack of cutting to the truth in a nonpartisan way.
You are churning these out... I actually came to relive your hilarious telling of Spare while I complete an arduous photography session of my work.. don't need much thought for Spare, but will put my feet up later, stare at my beautiful aquarium, have some cake and wine and listen properly to this.😊
You got this 100% right. It’s clear that the writer gives JO a pass on all her bad behaviors ( and other “ female victims” ) while coming down so hard on poor Carolyn Besette, repeating all the tabloids’ gossip about her. And your background looks just fine. ❤
I have always loved your background especially the bookcase. It is really sad people find it necessary to criticize such minor things. I can just imagine what their home decor looks like 🤪🤪
I like your background! Can't believe you get comments about this
The story about JFK being super into “Camelot” may have been phony through and through, but there was, and is, nothing phony about the appeal of the Camelot legend and the ideals it represents, which tap into the deep human longing for goodness and justice and leadership that represents those ideals. I think it was actually quite brilliant of Jackie to recognize that. Like some others here, I had a mother who loved musicals and she bought the record of “Camelot”, which, of course, was a smash hit on Broadway. The record album opened up and had beautiful photos of the cast in their medieval costumes and the wonderful sets. Like some others here, I listened to it over and over.
Aww, thank you for finding time to slot us in on your daughter's birthday, I'm sure no one would have minded waiting, though I was very happy to see your post.
I hope your daughter has a really great day, it's our 15th wedding anniversary today, we have fish & chips every anniversary, but they're shut on Sunday, so we're having raspberry tarts with cream. Have a great day with your daughter and thanks for making time for us today. 🎉❤🇬🇧
The Kennedy wealth hasn’t prevented Jacks assassination or Bobby’s (possibly the final deciding factor in her decision to marry Onassis). It has also been stated many times that Jackie preferred not to be in too close contact with her in-laws because she didn’t want her children to associate constantly with their Kennedy cousins. Onassis’ status and his residency in Greece would provide the privacy and insulation from intrusive paparazzi for her children.
Plus, it didn't hurt that he had more money than the Kennedys.
I like to think that that note to the widow Tibbit reveals the essentials of Jackie's character.
Hi Cheere! Happy birthday to your daughter! This family’s beyond weird!!!!!
I get way too excited when I see you’ve uploaded a video on this book. 😂 Thanks for another great episode.
Happy birthday to your daughter! 🎉🎉 PS-I’ve always loved your background! What paintings are behind you? The books and paintings are lovely and calming.
If Jacqueline Kennedy knew anything, it was anesthetics. If you look at photos of that funeral, everything about it was perfection. The world was watching, and she did the nation proud. (Recall, too, this was at a time of heightened global tension. Just in terms of national security, the funeral conveyed the message the government was not in disarray.)
Jackie knew exactly what she was doing, she was getting in first - the general public swallowed the whole Camelot thing hook, line & sinker. You just have to see how people reacted when she married Onassis. It wasn’t until decades later that the truth came out about Jack & the rest of the family.
I believe Jackie also recognized that having a dignified funeral after such a tragedy was important historically and for the reputation of our democracy. It was likely a relief for Jackie to exercise her impeccabile taste and knowledge of history as a buffer from her deep grief. Getting busy in tough times was a value of her generation. She showed the world that losing Jack was the world's loss, not just her own. We owe her a debt and I, for one, am grateful, and give her grace for her humanity post the most horrific and painful day of her life. May she rest in peace.
If you want to read a book about a good and decent person, might I suggest “The Mysterious Mrs. Nixon.” It’s about the former First Lady Par Nixon. It’s a fantastic read! Such an awesome lady!
Wow! Poor Jon Jon. You have given a glimpse of the pressure he had. What a nightmare if you know that you just can't meet those expectations.
It explains so much about John Jr, doesn't it?
I love your background and I studied Interior design and I'm currently working as a graphic designer.
It's a personal little corner showing much character.
Way too many books crammed into the shelving. She needs to remove 50% and add a small plant or pic frame.... what grades did u get 🤔
@@msbeecee1 why? It is her personal space... It's a working area.
I know that we do not live in a design magazine or in an Instagram feed.
Does every area, every corner of your home look instagram perfect all the time or do you live and work in your home?
@annelikriek6294 well that area is a VIDEO SET, which would normally be curated w slightly more care since it's going out to world and represents her & her brand. Kind of like a resume needs to be "best food forward," not our everyday ordinary. I'm not judging harshly. Just offering suggestions for improvement & I love her either way!
You have such a way with words. I really enjoy listening to you!
I love your background. I’ve found three new titles to read from there!
Who goes to someone's site to call their background "junky and trashy"? You are gorgeous, your background speaks of your interests and happy birthday to your daughter. Subbed!
😆 thank you so much!!
❤📚 Cats got me up early this morning, I was so happy to find this! Have a great day with your family.
Neither Jack or Jackie had very many morals.
All style over substance
I never thought JFK was good-looking. I never understood what the big deal was.
Yeah, he had horse teeth and sunken eyes. But, he had a wonderfully thick head of hair.
It is all in the eye of the beholder. I thought as a young man (late twenties) JFK was good looking. As a 43 year old president, he was handsome but not gorgeous, already affected by the facial puffiness of corticosteroid shots for pain.
My opinion....Jackie did made all of these decisions not for Jack but for herself. She wanted the world to believe they had this amazing marriage for her sake. Jackie was a narcissist in my opinion
You’re doing such a great job. I love seeing your numbers go up. Can you think about doing one about Eleanor Roosevelt? I know quite a bit about her. She was a great woman with many flaws like the rest of us, but I think she did a lot of good for our country.
Thank you Cheere for another awesome delivery! Happy birthday to your 13-year-old and I pray that you and your family are blessed! Thank you and your family for your valuable time!❤
Happy birthday to your daughter!!! You seem like such a good mom. Lucky kids. You’re a good reflection of your own mother. God bless you all.
Hope your new teen has a lovely day. Thank you for remembering us. Gripping in a car accident type way.
I haven’t finished the upload yet so this may be premature but am I the only person that remembers what Kennedys do to women that are no longer usable? Why isn’t Jackie right to be concerned for her future?
That concern escalated after the assassination of RFK. Reportedly, it was concern for her children’s safety. Don’t know how accurate that was, but under the circumstances, it would certainly make sense.
Yes I think her survival instincts guided her for sure. She knew she was vulnerable & alone in a very precarious position
She stayed and stayed at the WH-LBJ was losing his patience and wanted her out, but because it was Jackie, he wouldn’t throw her out. She finally left but it took quite a while.
Cheere, Your channel is part of my weekly go-to. Love your sensibilities. I also listen to Jess Connell - she has referenced your podcast and I started listening to both of you - you’re both reading “Ask Not” - so the material is redundant but the perspectives each unique and so I’m reading the book with both of you!
I lived during that time. Believe me, the Camelot line worked big time. The Camelot image resurfaced in all areas of the media. We were continuously bombarded with it. My family and I could hardly hear those repeated lines or listen to Camelot music without getting tearful.
Okay- it’s the teacher in me to correct when I hear mispronounced words- it’s not vay-pid with a long ‘a’ it’s vapid- with a short ‘a’ sound. I’m loving the reading of this book!!!
Is it the teacher in you? Well, thanks for the heads up.
😂@@cheeredenise
You are teaching me too.
Great reading, reactions and insight. I imagine your set as a soundproof closet. Love it. The wall looks fine. This is my first dip into the Kennedys and I love it.
I just love your integrity and honesty. It's why I can't get enough of your channel. ❤❤❤
Happy birthday to your daughter! I think she was aware that her children will only know their father through what they read/heard about him in the future and wanted them to only think good of him. If my husband was killed i dont think i would be telling the kids (by having it go i to history) about his failings or our hardship or if he was womanising, in the shock of the moment all you can think of is all the good times anyway, but i would want my children to know how highly i though of their dad and how much he loved me and us..
Wasn’t baby Arabella also buried? I find it odd that they only mention Patrick.
Nice bookshelf! Keep the background.
Hello🎉. I love your channel
I have to say. It’s difficult to place judgement on them for their human weaknesses. For her to have planned his lasting legacy the way she did shows at the end of the day she saw his good outweighed any of his weaknesses. In the short time he had as president he did so many positive things which stood against the military advisors he had. You should look at some of the tapes from those tense times. I believe he was the first president who was truly out for a better global world
Thank you so much dear Cheere for your time, work, thoughts. I love your channel and appreciate your hard work. P.S. I like your bookshelf.
I enjoy looking at your books and artwork-I have a couple of your book titles written down to check out later.
Thank you for your awesome commentary!🙏🏻
I've always loved your background and the fact that you recreate it every time you move. It looks pretty much like every English major's dorm room I've ever been in. 💖
'Dorm room' isn't usually a look apsired to !!!😂
Dorm room?
@@msbeecee1 I think it's perfect for a background on a channel that is about reading/reviewing books!
@@DebbiSmithDC Yes, a dorm room!
Your series on this book is just brilliant. Thank you.
I LIKE your background! I particularly like the photos/paintings you have AND the book collection. What do people want? A Green screen?
Yes. That’s exactly what they want. They want a blank wall, maybe a potted plant. The thing is, I can see the beauty in that style, but I also hate homogenization of style and I think we should let people be themselves. I don’t need to fit my background to your tastes, ya know?
@@cheeredenise YES! Here's an idea: Use ChatGPT to generate commentary from the audiobook, display an Avatar that looks like you, and populate a green screen with ever changing content that mirrors the subject you are covering. Everyone will love it. I hate to tell these people that the beautiful Wizard of OZ world they want is just Frank Morgan working some controls that produce fire & brimstone. No one wants to hear the truth!
Addendum: I've written AI code for many years and It is just stochastics; Your content is not that but rather a real live human being offering **thinking commentary*"!
@@cheeredenise For those that don't like the background, I have a number of video interviews (Theodore White being one) taken in the office of their home; Pretty common actually. I don't triggers people about an office setting.
Happy birthday to your daughter! 🎉 Great reading, once again. 😊
Happy Birthday to your new teenager. . . .and now, the fun really begins! Enjoy!
Happy birthday to your daughter thanks for this episode.
It's honestly the first time that I've heard about her and Bobby. Where have I been?😂But I'm not surprised as you say, trauma bonding. I was hoping to find out more about Bobby and his wife. It's always confused me. 😂😅❤
😂😂😂Grief and drugs brought the epiphany of Camelot.
Doctor's would give out meds to keep the patient not understand the reality of life .
I love your comments.., yes grief and drugs drove Jackie to keep Camelot alive or a combination of her own psyche trying to recreate her story and fairytale BS. So sad that she never tried to make it through on her own with less drama.
I remember that magazine cover. I was only 4, but I remember earnestly telling my father “that’s the President that got shotted.”
The Camelot comparison always made me gag. I can’t believe Miss Jackie herself came up with something that silly. It must have been the drugs, combined perhaps with desperation because she wasn’t the only one that knew just who and what Jack had been.
With traumatic episodes in life, humans try to mitigate trauma by taking control of what they can. I’m not surprised that Jackie “activated” for the funeral - planning it and making it beautiful was probably a self-soothing mechanism, and gave her a feeling of accomplishment and control. It probably also mitigated the guilt of not having been able to help Jack, so there was something she felt she could do for him. I think it makes perfect sense. When you are grieving, random things become life or death as a way of making it through, until you are strong enough to actually processed what happened. It’s like when you feel overwhelmed as a parent, loads of mothers will clean and tidy to gain a sense of control and peace. I definitely am someone who breaks down when I’m overwhelmed and I feel my surroundings are “ugly” - it will tip me over the edge after a difficult day (and my husband finds it completely bemusing). I think Jackie might have been the same.
Just as well Jackie managed to squeeze money out of Joe, she was going to need it as Jack's widow. I was actually surprised how little she got after JFK's death. He left a trust that was supposed to provide for her and the children, but she had no control over it and it consisted of property, stocks, etc.... no cash. I suspect her mother-in-law was one of the trustees, as she managed Joe's money at the time. I read somewhere that the old bat kept her widowed daughters-in-law on a very tight leash, Ethel in particular was forced to grovel to afford running a household with 11 young children. From the State, Jackie got a pension, six months support for an office to tie up her and Jack's official affairs, and only a year of protection service for her and the children...she was going to have to pay for any future staff and protection herself. Since Jack had sold their Georgetown house when he became President, she literally had nowhere to go. Ambassador Hillman vacated his home in Washington to give her a termporary place to stay when she left the White House on 6 December, and most of their things went into storage. She didn't feel safe in Washington, and decided to buy the apartment in New York - probably with the Joe money - kept a full time secretary and I suppose a house help. She wasn't destitute and they lived comfortably, but all in all she wasn't swimming in money either. Probably why she knee-jerked into marrying Onassis so soon after Bobby's murder, he could afford to protect her and her children. Ari was her ticket to wealth, not the Kennedy's.
**Ambassador Averell Harriman, not Hillman.
Happy 13th birthday to your daughter. I hope you all have a wonderful time.
The shorter video suited me today.
Hope your daughter has a wonderful birthday! Thank you for taking time away from the celebration to read for us. As always looking forward to the next chapter.
Happy Birthday to your daughter.🎊🎂🎊 Such compelling listening,. Jackie using her power as The grieving widow to create the lasting image of JFK as she wanted it to be seen.
This re-creation reminds me of how people turn their recently deceased into perfect angels, even horrible gang bangers!
I like to listen to you read these books and the insight you give on them. I don’t know why some people would say not to talk about it as you read because to me it validates or opens up an opinion or view on the same thoughts I have or a new thought. ❤