@@slug3856 her reasons were lies, she was intentionally using hate speech. She was acquitted on appeal for that particular crime having been convicted mainly because originally she chose to defend herself, the story is exaggerated - she wasn't fined and sentenced to community service, there was no fine and she was tagged for 8 weeks not a year. Do I think regardless of her true motif that what she did on this occasion should be a criminal offence? No. Was she lawfully arrested? Yes. Do I think the story was portrayed in an intentionally misleading fashion? Yes. Do I wonder why, if there are so many arrests, did he choose this particular story to illustrate his point and wonder how lame some of the other cases must be? Yes
I never understand how it can be "illegal" to post certain things on social media but it's completely legal and profitable for record companies and media outlets to sell and promote the exact same things.
Well, some things being posted may result in other crimes, i.e. call for violence, doxxing, selling drugs etc. Of course every reasonable person should see the thick line between posts leading to breach of law, and posts that are prosecuted on arbitrary ideological standards.
Grooming from a paedophile? Islamist ideology plotting terrorism? Inciting suicide? Cultist behaviour? Freedom of speech is fine. Freedom of broadcasting the written word needs a modicum of censorship if it isn't a private one to one platform where the reader is known. An imperfect system for an imperfect world. The "N" word is a ridiculous taboo. Publicising lyrics is only a problem for the author who may want copyright status on them 😂.
that's easy, when being brutally assaulted start yelling the N word until you get arrested. at least you don't get killed and your life is worth more than 500 hours of community work.
Well if you’re referring to what you probably call “cancel culture” it’s really you that is being pretty successfully brainwashed by this random dude here to believe that Russia is somehow not a complete dictatorship, the west is following in the same vain and the two aren’t really so different anyway, and “wokeness” is the biggest problem facing society today and it’s comparable to Russian oppression.
@@clutch7548 First of all, statistics in dictator countries are not accurate and have been censored! Hijab is mandatory in Iran, but if you ask the government, no one has been arrested for wearing hijab. Also, the rights you have after being arrested in a dictatorship and a democracy are not comparable. Some of our friends are still missing! I live in Iran, defend your democracy
She did get her conviction overturned - but what on earth were the CPS doing charging someone for singing or writing words to a published and released song!! How can it be illegal for one but not the other - very poor legal case should NEVER have been brought.
Yes, even if it got overturned, immense damage was done to her and the public. How many people who heard this story now modify their speech out of fear? Those who prosecuted her should go to jail for this violation of human rights. Remember: 'The freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.'
The point is the law was used unlawfully as a weapon against an innocent citizen and the ones who did this to her will NEVER suffer any consequences for it. Do you really think anyone on the prosecution side expects the Supreme Court to uphold a single conviction against Donald Trump? Of course not! It's called "Lawfare" for a reason it's sole purpose is to exhaust and destroy the innocent whether they win a conviction or not!
@@franfinesim which country are you from? Like I am fascinated about a country where whistleblowers are not safe Probably north Korea or something Because EUROPE IS DEMOCRATIC‽
As a Russian there is a huge difference in the cause of the arrests. In my country it is mostly about the political views or basically saying that you wish peace in all the world. In America, Britain etc it’s mostly about something like racist and harassment. Here I don’t think we are arrested for that
За призывы про "мир во в сем мире "кого то посадили? Серьезно? Может прецеденты конкретные приведешь? Хватит набрасывать. Если ты призываешь к свержению власти, или донатить ВСУ, то на удивление, тебя закроют. Как и в любой другой стране
They are against racists is to make their country stable, and to make sure no civil war is gonna happen, it's actually about politics, because the races of their country are too diverse. Both are for political stability. There is no difference actually.
Не за призывы к миру сажают (или административки выписывают) а за призывы к поджогу военкоматов, обвинение войск РФ в военных преступлениях и сбор средств на помощь ВСУ.
and that’s why your country has been taken over, silents is deadly and the lack of repercussion is not human, stand up !!! and protect your family and your country.
Trust me it's coming here. Keep thinking them gunrights are gonna help we with peoples inability to live without technology. This isn't the old days where people are prepared, no it's the time where someone would give their child away in order to get their internet restored.
Worse. They should be put on the exact same regiment she was, but then also restricted from being able to work at all as well, with all their accounts frozen. For the 5 years you mentioned. This is so that they effectively get put into the same situation as a whole or worse than she was, because when you get a tag put on ya, you basically can't work. Have a curfew? Good luck getting a job that needs you for those other hours you are supposed to be at home. And since they have the money to just sit back and relax instead, take that away so they can't. The 5 years you mentioned I keep included because the societal damages done take time to recoup from.
Silly comment, she spent a few weeks with the tag prior to her successful appeal - the original sentence was for costs plus 8 weeks tagged curfew. The conviction wasn't sound as was borne out by her successful appeal but one of the contributory factors to the wrong verdict being reached was Ms Russell's insistence on representing herself, she had a lawyer at the appeal. It should be noted that whilst in this particular instance the initial Court got it wrong in the three years following this the not so innocent Ms Russel was convicted a further 18 times for 28 offences, including multiple offences of criminal damage and battery, and multiple breaches of community orders and a Criminal Behaviour Order. She was then arrested and convicted for affray and carrying a bladed weapon when a member of the public stopped his car to assist Russell's girlfriend who Russel was assaulting in the street....she tan saying she was going to get her Dad but returned with a knife which she threatened the man with and when he got back in his car she actually stabbed the car and waved the knife at a 3 year old in the back seat.
Representing herself sure was silly. However, that case is still silly. And the appeal agreed with that. I can’t see how a judge can come to a guilty verdict even with the worst representation possible. Her crimes afterwards are also irrelevant. Your character might be usefull for deciding the severity of the punishment, they are completely irrelevant to whether you commited a crime in the first place.
What about the other THOUSANDS? I can see how some of these would get corrected but not many enough to reach the 400 Russia did (however claimable as truth that may be) Be better Britain.
Well, since he cites one example what makes you think there were actually thousands of arrests? Or do you just take him at his word? Also Russia is a totalitarian state that in practice has no freedom of the press so that should tell you enough about the consequenses of speaking your mind there. Also even if those arrests were real it doesn't mean they were all frivolous.
Really depends on what those cases were (example: threats, violence, recorded crimes, etc.). It seems that the person interviewed might have used an extreme case to convey a specific perception of the British justice system.@@hiiambarney4489
I did look up the Chelsea Russel case, the article stated "She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge." so not a year. Still absolutely ludicrous though.
It's because the government loves and cares for the citizenry and doesn't want anyone's feelings getting hurt. Anyone hurt by the n word in the rap memorial tribute can take solace knowing justice was served.
Mind Begs the Question: - When Criminalized for calling a Govt/Nation Nazi - Who use Starvation,Death Camps,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Living in Free World or Nazi World?
The point you are missing is most people in Russia fear to post their thought in social media so number is low. Its just like saying US has more people with depression that another country, that is because in most country depression is so common that they don’t count it as a issue and so no depression case is recorded.
@@magsmcgarrigle981 You wrote this right? In Russia you might go to jail, or like those people who had a too liberal party were drafted for the frontline or had to pay a lot of money in aid to stay from being procsecuted. That would NEVER happen in the free west.
@@rabbidninja79 😂 The same America that banned Trump from an entire social media platform whilst he was a sitting President. How many posts regarding the jab got censored You don't have freedom of speech dear you have the illusion of it only 😂😂😂
not that, this is what happen when the government listens to every whiney stupd peoples opinions, they produce stupd policies that only addresses the surface of the problem because thats the only thing the stupd masses can comprehend even if their life depended on it,
This is what is meant by free speech. Americans whine about it, but this is what it is. Free speech is the idea that you cannot be arrested for things you say, public backlash is not related. Also, Britain is meant to have free speech, apparently not here though
The thing is, absolute freedom of speech cannot coexist with other rights. Publicly calling for the extermination of all Jews, for example, violates the rights to religion and freedom from persecution. Therefore, freedom of speech can never be a blanket right in order to protect the wider society's safety, similarly to how criminals lose some of their rights. The problem is where to draw the line with it, removing all limitations will create more problems than it solves. That's like making all crimes legal to avoid the possibility of wrongful conventions.
@@GetbackupUltra of course. I am in no way advocating for the mockery of justice made by the trial discussd in the video. I am simply saying there must be a line drawn somewhere, and that is the difficult problem to solve.
The source for the claim on arrests in Russia - which uses figures from 2017 - shows it refers to the number of criminal proceedings, rather than arrests. In the UK example, the figure - also from 2017 - is for arrests under the broader category of online malicious communications, not specifically for social media posts. But arrests are made for different reasons across the two countries, with Russian internet users facing far greater restrictions on their use of social media.
More freedoms than Russia, don't get me wrong the example is crazy but arrested for things said on social media also include harassment, it's not an apples to apples comparison.
There is no such thing as internet harassment, block function exists for a reason. If you think internet "harassment" which is almost always trolling deserves jail sentences, then there's something wrong with you. Also not to mention all these arrests are only one way. @@rentaspoon219
I find fearmongers focus on making their "fear" message sound reasonable, while those that seek to protect and lead typically explain where things are at. k Just saying the N word doesn't get anyone jailed. It usually all the other words around an N word that typically come with using the N word. i.e. threats to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness Right? I don't condone mean spiritedness, NOR do I wish to excuse it as JUST "free speech". Words do matter. Sure, the line between just being mean vs. making actual threats is quit vague depending what company you keep. I would like fearmonger guy to do some further research to thresh out his position, as I am not quit sure it amounts to so many people around putin jumping out of windows to commit "suicide".
No, free speech includes that right. If you can't be racist, insult people, promote the overthrow of the government, it's not free speech. Very people understand what free speech entails.
@@nyrockchicxx Yes, exactly. Free speech includes everything, aside from the obvious perjury, direct actionable threats, etc. It certainly includes racism.
If you can't even insult people, why you think you can insult the government and the governors? That's a good trick to make you feel you have freedom of speech. They allow you to do so because you have no influence and they don't care.
Actually, the deputy director of the British Council in Egypt, where I was working, told me once that people might lose their jobs for mocking the royal family of UK in social media, this is while he was asking me to refrain expressing my views in Facebook myself which were about local events and other stuff that got nothing to do with the UK, so, yes, it is not really the free world and the simplest freedom, the freedom of speech, is restricted
@mog-gyveroneill2500 “So why weren't [...] villains walk the streets!" ============== Perhaps the original singers of the song are black ? For some reason, it is NOT considered offensive if one black person says that word to another black person.
This is deliberate to demoralize the people by having no confidence in the justice of the government. Its overt psychological conditioning because it is so confusing it distorts the masses and makes them feel helpless.
I think it's right to be held accountable for actual harm done through social media, so basically harassment, but what is described is a ridiculous miscarriage of justice.
Yeah, questions like : is it true?? Or questions like : did he included people who got arrested for filming themselves committing crimes and putting it on Tic Tok? (because thats not so much because of posting on social media as actually committing crimes) And of course, how many of those would fall under using social media to hook up with a minor. (granted, its a bit the same as the other one, but still worth mentioning considering the prevalence). Not to mention, how many got "disappeared" for actual political opinions in both countries?
@@frofrofrofro900 you can't attack no one with speech. Everyone is free not to listen. If you think that speech can be harmful then the person who chooses to listen chooses to be harmed.
Ive had people try to rob my house, attack me sat in traffic, people confuse me for someone else and corner me in an alleyway with knifes yet the police said they cant help, yet i called a teacher a nonce as a kid and they had the police around that same day 😂
@@johnscaramis2515 Socialism is when 1% of the population (politicians and other super-rich people) hog most of the money, most of the real estate and all of the power. In other words, Socialism is exactly the same as Communism and Fascism.
Why don't you instead support common sense? Obviously this charge was utterly ridiculous on the face of it. There could have been other mitigating factors. Was she a member of a racist hate group and this was her 10th offense? I don't know, do you? Is this guy even telling the truth at all? i don't know, do you? Let's say I riled up a hate group with lies that didn't like your religion or even the car you drive, and they went to your house and burned it down. Should I be charged with something or just the hate group that I targeted you with? Like I said, use common sense. There is never just black and white for any issue.
@@jamesryan7684 Because "common sense" was used when the "constitution" was written and put into place. That's why. There is extremely high "value" in the "Freedom of speech" that is secured to you by our 1st Amendment and which is "secured" by our 2nd Amendment
The irony is that if Kisin was in Moscow, he would be in prison now for his public statements against Russia. On the BBC, he described his feelings of shame for his home country and talked about Putin's brutal bombardment of his family in Ukraine. It's a good thing he can hide out in Britain.
Don’t let yourself be manipulated by this. Notice how this guy switches from data to anecdotes making it seem like all 3300 people were arrested for posting irrelevant things like song lyrics, when in all likelihood there were numerous reasons why people got arrested like threatening violence and assault. I say in all likelihood because the numbers he cited can’t be found, probably because they don’t exist. Don’t let yourself get fooled by these con men
Snd he doesn't elaborate on why were those Russians arrested (mostly because they go against war and putin, who's a criminal as agressive war is a crime in Russia). You're punished for being decent in Russia.
That's cause in Russia most dare not say anything. That statement did count how many statements made by Brits vs Russia, if you had that figure then it be a fair comparison. Else it's just dangling factoid.
Democracy and free speech in the world? Never existed! Democracy and freedom is just an utopian ideology that can never happen. Nothing in this world is free.
Oh... I see the light now! It's the police departments fault... Um, they are directed from higher up... Ultimately they obey the policies of the chief city prosecutor. And they follow directives of mayor's etc. The problem is the accepted fascist ideologies. 😮 Private citizens owning the means of production, the government controlling it for their benefit without the responsibilities. A defacto partnership between big corporations and big government... That's the economic-politico aspect of that type of government known as fascism. 😮
British police are the biggest joke. They’re so indoctrinated with their white knight savior complexes. Though really what it is, is Stockholm syndrome. They just don’t realize it yet.
And these people's ancestors bled and died in the bloodlands of Europe to protect freedom, and this is what they got for it? Would they have done so if they knew that this was in their future?
@@jacqueslefave4296 No they never would have signed up had they known how our country would end up.Its a kick in the teeth to all those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
@@ingridredfern5065 It seems that at a minimum, the living have the obligation to preserve in peacetime what those heroes gave so much to gain and preserve in war.🤔
And that is why, even with all the problems it causes, the U.S. has the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. It's not about ducking hunting. Our Founding Fathers knew that a gov't could go rogue and they gave the citizens the ability to resist.
If it is not about the dangers of posting on social media, then why on earth did you feel the need to post your comment, capitalising "The Dangers of Posting on Social Media"? Yet, lower-casing the point you were actually, trying to make! Contradicted yourself you twit, by over emphasising what you argued against!
Lets all share isolated cases that confirm our confirmation bias /s This video is a lie. The woman's case got overturned. She didn't spend a year under curfew. And Russia routinely arrests and kills people for posting lgbt content, so that 400 arrests claim is a lie too. “criminal charges are widely used in Russia to stifle critical discussion online”, with most arrests falling under Article 282 (“actions aimed at inciting hate or enmity”) and Article 280 (“public calls for extremist activity”) of the criminal code." This is Russian propaganda.
We are never content with any of our states, whether they are dictatorships or democracies, people always complain. Only difference is the way the people complain.
That' wasn't fighting for a fake tomato paste, that's discrediting a whole organization. She should be jailed, if you have a company, you would know what it means for someone to defame your product and ask people to boycott it from being used. She should be jailed, fined and made to apologise publicly over such defamation.
The Chelsea Russell case is grossly mistaken. She posted the lyrics in response for a 13 year old dying in a motor accent, and her sentence came to 8 weeks, not 1 year, of community service and curfew, plus a 500 pound fine.
Please don't take exception to my sarcastic sense of humour, but .. after hearing the long list of punishments dished out to that unfortunate lady, i feel like saying "and on the third day, she rose again", Which she DID!
The fact that she even had to deal with this at all is just utter nonsense.. and the punishment maybe different but there shouldn't be a punishment at all
So "thou shalt not take the lord's name in vain" is proof God is a snowflake .... and all followers of Abrahamic Religions are also snowflakes - thanks for clearing that up
The UK isn't a free country 😂😂😂 the only country that has the freedom of speech is the USA. The rest have variations of ALLOWANCES for speech. Some limit it to cartoonist levels. Others are like the USA but without guarantees of it being protected.
You never had free speech. You confuse the US 1st amendment with the wrong country. Even your Former Prince Henry said that the right to free speech doesn't make sense and people shouldn't have the right to say what they want. That was during an interview with Oprah.
We might not be far behind you in the U.S. old friend. Please don't let this happen to the UK!! FIGHT!! And take your country back! They slipped a couple past you but its not too late. Protest! If necessary REVOLT! THEY ONLY HAVE THE POWER THAT THE PEOPLE GIVE THEM!!! TAKE IT BACK!!! THEY ARE ONLY HUMAN TOO!!
The difference is in Britain you get a fine or, in very rare cases such as this one, community service. In Russia you get 10 years hard labour in a detention camp in Siberia
In the book 1984 Orson Wells wrote about what he was seeing happen to with governments and the elite control that was already occurring back in 1948 when he wrote it. That was not a prediction but concern for what was already happening. He didn't realize that tv would become so hugely influential, but he had the three minutes of hate right. That totally describes our current daily news.
@@ameliagfawkes512 Have you ever considered that there would be a hundred or even a thousand more likes but those other thousand are just being careful about being put on the “watch list” for liking such a comment? We’re surveilled enough already as it is, but why invite more attention?
That's why I don't take too or face book or Twitter or any other platform of that type. I watch you tube shorts and make comments on other people's posts. And I watch news on CZcams because it is mostly uncensored.
To add some additional context to Chelsea Russell, she represented herself in court. Always foolish, never represent yourself, get proper expert legal representation. After being convicted she then did get expert legal representation, who were quickly successful in overturning her conviction in a successful appeal that was absolutely damming of her original investigation, trial and prosecution. Also she was placed under 8pm-8am curfew for 8 weeks, not a year.
To add further context, which you seem to have neglected to mention. Under the 2003 communication decency act, it is illegal to use the internet to transmit or make public any material that is considered "grossly offensive". This term, does not have any definition as provides by the law or the courts. To reiterate, an intentionally vague law will get you arrested, prosecuted and found guilty, on the whims of whatever police officer, prosecutor or judge is there at a given time. But know, "sticks and stones may breaks my bones but words can never hurt me." Except of course, when the right person has been offended and wishes to see you punished.
“Obviously, this country is very different.” That is such a great setup to his point! I was shocked by the number he revealed and totally expected it to be lower!
Константин Кисин это кукла путлера. Он манипулирует цифрами. Почитайте какие в России приговоры получили эти 400 человек. Это политические преследования за критику властей
Oh I knew it was going to be high. His choice of words set it up for an expectation for it to be low, but the mischievous look in his eyes right after were saying, wait for it.
@@tavishnesbit101 i knew it was going to be high because Britains censorship and government over reach is maybe even worse than Canadas, and its fn bad in Canada.
More just idiots. Most politicians aren’t evil people trying to control the world, they are idiots who think they are geniuses. They just can’t think for themselves, they only try to please the general public and be as inoffensive as possible.
Funnily enough its the 1st amendment clause that ensures that YT is seen as a private venue and thus able to enforce their own standards, just as a university or a bar likewise can enforce theirs
Actual criminals walk free.
Truth.
Then get knighted, given a peerage and a multi billion dollar govt contract to do nothing
You know where he says "you can look this up" well try it, I did - she was an actual criminal
shhhhh..
@@izzabelladogalini If that is true, It doesn't change the fact that she was arrested for what she posted on social media. So, what's your point?
@@slug3856 her reasons were lies, she was intentionally using hate speech. She was acquitted on appeal for that particular crime having been convicted mainly because originally she chose to defend herself, the story is exaggerated - she wasn't fined and sentenced to community service, there was no fine and she was tagged for 8 weeks not a year. Do I think regardless of her true motif that what she did on this occasion should be a criminal offence? No. Was she lawfully arrested? Yes. Do I think the story was portrayed in an intentionally misleading fashion? Yes. Do I wonder why, if there are so many arrests, did he choose this particular story to illustrate his point and wonder how lame some of the other cases must be? Yes
I never understand how it can be "illegal" to post certain things on social media but it's completely legal and profitable for record companies and media outlets to sell and promote the exact same things.
The lyrics are printed usually
and yet they can't arrest cultural enrichers spewing hateful speech on the streets of London.
Well, some things being posted may result in other crimes, i.e. call for violence, doxxing, selling drugs etc. Of course every reasonable person should see the thick line between posts leading to breach of law, and posts that are prosecuted on arbitrary ideological standards.
Well, because they're both designed to control the people.
Grooming from a paedophile?
Islamist ideology plotting terrorism?
Inciting suicide?
Cultist behaviour?
Freedom of speech is fine. Freedom of broadcasting the written word needs a modicum of censorship if it isn't a private one to one platform where the reader is known.
An imperfect system for an imperfect world.
The "N" word is a ridiculous taboo. Publicising lyrics is only a problem for the author who may want copyright status on them 😂.
In Britain the police will ignore you if you're the victim of brutal assault but if you offend someone you'll end up in jail.
that's easy, when being brutally assaulted start yelling the N word until you get arrested. at least you don't get killed and your life is worth more than 500 hours of community work.
Worse, you get arrested for being a victim...doble/secondary victimization. However, in Russia it's a complete horror.
And don't even try to defend yourself. How dare you block a superior criminal?
Only if the perpetrator is "west asian"
That's exactly what is happening in the U.S. !
And people really don't believe they're being brainwashed
Well if you’re referring to what you probably call “cancel culture” it’s really you that is being pretty successfully brainwashed by this random dude here to believe that Russia is somehow not a complete dictatorship, the west is following in the same vain and the two aren’t really so different anyway, and “wokeness” is the biggest problem facing society today and it’s comparable to Russian oppression.
yes you are by videos like this
@@iohs4700Lol all they did was state a fact. They arent in charge of the laws…
@@clutch7548 if you think you can't be manipulated by "facts" you aren't as smart as you think you are
also this case was overturned
@@clutch7548 First of all, statistics in dictator countries are not accurate and have been censored! Hijab is mandatory in Iran, but if you ask the government, no one has been arrested for wearing hijab. Also, the rights you have after being arrested in a dictatorship and a democracy are not comparable. Some of our friends are still missing! I live in Iran, defend your democracy
It's beyond understanding how deranged Britain has become.
You mean, how liberal they've become?
@@matthewburkholder1076 How the h@ll is it "liberal" to arrest people for speaking their mind?
@@matthewburkholder1076liberal???
@@herrbonk3635 That is the new liberal. Just like ANTIFA is supposed to be "anti-fascism" yet they use fascist tactics.
It's not just Britain. The West is being attacked from within.
The way the smirk dropped from his face when he heard the number
no wonder, in Russia nobody dares to say critical things on Social Media
Actually no, a lot of people
She did get her conviction overturned - but what on earth were the CPS doing charging someone for singing or writing words to a published and released song!! How can it be illegal for one but not the other - very poor legal case should NEVER have been brought.
At what cost to her personally and financially?
Yes, even if it got overturned, immense damage was done to her and the public. How many people who heard this story now modify their speech out of fear? Those who prosecuted her should go to jail for this violation of human rights. Remember: 'The freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.'
What an incompetant judge!
@@EllaGreenn The process is the punishment.
The point is the law was used unlawfully as a weapon against an innocent citizen and the ones who did this to her will NEVER suffer any consequences for it.
Do you really think anyone on the prosecution side expects the Supreme Court to uphold a single conviction against Donald Trump?
Of course not!
It's called "Lawfare" for a reason it's sole purpose is to exhaust and destroy the innocent whether they win a conviction or not!
He goes from amused to interested with a quickness.
I’d say his reaction is more that of shock & concern
clever manipulation
"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals" Edward Snowden.
We have a law that was passed three days ago which says that whistleblowers should be jailed after bringing a secret into the public. 😅
@@franfinesimwtf ur country didn't leave even whistleblowers also😮
Bro I am flabbergasted and defenestrated.
@@franfinesim with a bo'oh'o'wa'er
@@AbG-jy7gq yes. We are a member of the European union and we pass such law.... Very democratic
@@franfinesim which country are you from?
Like I am fascinated about a country where whistleblowers are not safe
Probably north Korea or something
Because EUROPE IS DEMOCRATIC‽
As a Russian there is a huge difference in the cause of the arrests. In my country it is mostly about the political views or basically saying that you wish peace in all the world. In America, Britain etc it’s mostly about something like racist and harassment. Here I don’t think we are arrested for that
Вот вот. Меня оо этих идиотов, что не ценят что тмеют, трясет. Так легко сравниаают такие вещи. Хотелось бы ещё узнпть источник такого заявления
За призывы про "мир во в сем мире "кого то посадили? Серьезно? Может прецеденты конкретные приведешь? Хватит набрасывать. Если ты призываешь к свержению власти, или донатить ВСУ, то на удивление, тебя закроют. Как и в любой другой стране
So we are all the same with minor changes of equal or greater magnitude
They are against racists is to make their country stable, and to make sure no civil war is gonna happen, it's actually about politics, because the races of their country are too diverse. Both are for political stability. There is no difference actually.
Не за призывы к миру сажают (или административки выписывают) а за призывы к поджогу военкоматов, обвинение войск РФ в военных преступлениях и сбор средств на помощь ВСУ.
and that’s why your country has been taken over, silents is deadly and the lack of repercussion is not human, stand up !!! and protect your family and your country.
And everyone in the courtroom should be given 5 years in jail for that sentencing
Trust me it's coming here. Keep thinking them gunrights are gonna help we with peoples inability to live without technology. This isn't the old days where people are prepared, no it's the time where someone would give their child away in order to get their internet restored.
Worse. They should be put on the exact same regiment she was, but then also restricted from being able to work at all as well, with all their accounts frozen. For the 5 years you mentioned.
This is so that they effectively get put into the same situation as a whole or worse than she was, because when you get a tag put on ya, you basically can't work. Have a curfew? Good luck getting a job that needs you for those other hours you are supposed to be at home. And since they have the money to just sit back and relax instead, take that away so they can't. The 5 years you mentioned I keep included because the societal damages done take time to recoup from.
Prison* but yes
Silly comment, she spent a few weeks with the tag prior to her successful appeal - the original sentence was for costs plus 8 weeks tagged curfew. The conviction wasn't sound as was borne out by her successful appeal but one of the contributory factors to the wrong verdict being reached was Ms Russell's insistence on representing herself, she had a lawyer at the appeal.
It should be noted that whilst in this particular instance the initial Court got it wrong in the three years following this the not so innocent Ms Russel was convicted a further 18 times for 28 offences, including multiple offences of criminal damage and battery, and multiple breaches of community orders and a Criminal Behaviour Order. She was then arrested and convicted for affray and carrying a bladed weapon when a member of the public stopped his car to assist Russell's girlfriend who Russel was assaulting in the street....she tan saying she was going to get her Dad but returned with a knife which she threatened the man with and when he got back in his car she actually stabbed the car and waved the knife at a 3 year old in the back seat.
Representing herself sure was silly. However, that case is still silly. And the appeal agreed with that. I can’t see how a judge can come to a guilty verdict even with the worst representation possible.
Her crimes afterwards are also irrelevant. Your character might be usefull for deciding the severity of the punishment, they are completely irrelevant to whether you commited a crime in the first place.
"It's easiest to enslave those who falsely believe they are free." - Twain.
I'm from China and I can prove him wrong, even if we are not free and still more easily ruled:)
Yeah, like the morons who think Russia keeps accurate stats of who they arrest for social media posts.
This is true. It is easier, he said, and yes, it is, as you will hardly see resistance
@@bedathesimp1994 no you are from Hong Kong
"It's very hard to concentrate when your stomach's rumbling." - Shania Twain
When you wake up and suddenly the bad guys won and you are in a dictatorship.
ha i never let uncle sam decide who is my enemy i am always friends with the free
in russia but not (yet) in western europe like britain
I live in America so I know the feel.
@@linoleumfloor8190 no you don't
@@linoleumfloor8190 you definitely vote for the bad guys
Remember, big brother is always watching you
go and search therapy if you live in britain, paranoia isn't normal
If your big brother watch you, you should call the police. Peeping is a crime in most states
I meannn its like 1984 is one of the most hated books by governments for a reason
@@ivan19119 just making up bs
The replies 😂 it's a reference for a book 1984. I still love that book.
That case was overturned by the crown court, but that should not have been necessary.
What about the other THOUSANDS? I can see how some of these would get corrected but not many enough to reach the 400 Russia did (however claimable as truth that may be) Be better Britain.
Well, since he cites one example what makes you think there were actually thousands of arrests? Or do you just take him at his word? Also Russia is a totalitarian state that in practice has no freedom of the press so that should tell you enough about the consequenses of speaking your mind there. Also even if those arrests were real it doesn't mean they were all frivolous.
Actually, Rishi Sunak is a war criminal aiding a genocide who's walking freely
Good to hear but ya. Ur right.
Really depends on what those cases were (example: threats, violence, recorded crimes, etc.). It seems that the person interviewed might have used an extreme case to convey a specific perception of the British justice system.@@hiiambarney4489
The more I grow old, the more I realize the "Free world" isn't that free anymore.
Never was…
Move to America
'twas never free, it was propagandized
Reagan was right. Fascism came to the west in the form of "liberal tolerance".
@@IllnessXBL spot the blind person
So you compare curfew and fines to actual prison for years??? This is an ideal example of manipulation!
I did look up the Chelsea Russel case, the article stated "She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week
curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge." so not a year. Still absolutely ludicrous though.
That story is insane. I feel for her, she thought she lived in a developed and safe country. They should definitely lock up that judge.
It's because the government loves and cares for the citizenry and doesn't want anyone's feelings getting hurt.
Anyone hurt by the n word in the rap memorial tribute can take solace knowing justice was served.
@@FakeMoonRocks now that's a funny joke
This smell like Russia propagand
Who should, other corrupt judges?
@@mar09435of course it would to you. You wouldn't even question it if he said the opposite. You might find Rachel Maddow clips more agreeable.
The complete switch in facial expression in about 0.5 seconds is my favourite
Mind Begs the Question:
- When Criminalized for calling a Govt/Nation Nazi
- Who use Starvation,Death Camps,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Living in Free World or Nazi World?
The point you are missing is most people in Russia fear to post their thought in social media so number is low. Its just like saying US has more people with depression that another country, that is because in most country depression is so common that they don’t count it as a issue and so no depression case is recorded.
Откуда знаешь?
😢
It's not the danger of posting. It's the danger of letting the wrong people having power over your right to post.
How many rights do you think we have. Legally? Freedom of speech doesn’t seem to be a thing anymore. Was it ever?
@@magsmcgarrigle981 You wrote this right? In Russia you might go to jail, or like those people who had a too liberal party were drafted for the frontline or had to pay a lot of money in aid to stay from being procsecuted. That would NEVER happen in the free west.
In Russia only ... i say again ONLY 400 were arrested, the other 16743 were shot, sent to the Gulag or went missing for good.
@@magsmcgarrigle981America is the only country in the world that has freedom of speech. Brits have never known that right.
@@rabbidninja79 😂 The same America that banned Trump from an entire social media platform whilst he was a sitting President. How many posts regarding the jab got censored You don't have freedom of speech dear you have the illusion of it only 😂😂😂
1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.
This is what happens when you give government too much power.
Friedrich Nietzsche just said that you should not believe everything what you read in the internet
Once
not that, this is what happen when the government listens to every whiney stupd peoples opinions, they produce stupd policies that only addresses the surface of the problem because thats the only thing the stupd masses can comprehend even if their life depended on it,
Don't you mean to say, when they take power.
Nobody should be prosecuted for using a word Are you kiddin me? If you threat or insult somebody then maybe I’d think about it.
In Britain you can go out and say: I don't agree with the government. And the police won't send you to the Sebiria
Lets remember, arrested is not convicted.
I bet the case he gives as an example is one of the most extreme (in terms of injustice).
Of course it is. How else would you get dummies to think “OMG the UK is more restrictive that RUSSIA!!”
That wiped the smile right off his face.
i wouldn't say he wiped it off his face. I think he KNEW by the tone of the question it wasn't good.
This is what is meant by free speech.
Americans whine about it, but this is what it is.
Free speech is the idea that you cannot be arrested for things you say, public backlash is not related.
Also, Britain is meant to have free speech, apparently not here though
The thing is, absolute freedom of speech cannot coexist with other rights. Publicly calling for the extermination of all Jews, for example, violates the rights to religion and freedom from persecution. Therefore, freedom of speech can never be a blanket right in order to protect the wider society's safety, similarly to how criminals lose some of their rights.
The problem is where to draw the line with it, removing all limitations will create more problems than it solves. That's like making all crimes legal to avoid the possibility of wrongful conventions.
@@runiccurse990 Absolutely true.
However, here, it's a case of "Nobody is positively affected by this"
@@GetbackupUltra of course. I am in no way advocating for the mockery of justice made by the trial discussd in the video. I am simply saying there must be a line drawn somewhere, and that is the difficult problem to solve.
@@runiccurse990 Indeed it is.
I think there's a point of balance in here, I'm not the right person to try and find it
@@GetbackupUltra I respect that
The source for the claim on arrests in Russia - which uses figures from 2017 - shows it refers to the number of criminal proceedings, rather than arrests.
In the UK example, the figure - also from 2017 - is for arrests under the broader category of online malicious communications, not specifically for social media posts.
But arrests are made for different reasons across the two countries, with Russian internet users facing far greater restrictions on their use of social media.
His expression when he said 3300.... The utter disbelief and realisation of how hypocritical the system is....
That's because they're sold this false fallacy of free speech in the UK. It's not free if you can get in legal trouble for it, it's restricted speech
More freedoms than Russia, don't get me wrong the example is crazy but arrested for things said on social media also include harassment, it's not an apples to apples comparison.
There is no such thing as internet harassment, block function exists for a reason. If you think internet "harassment" which is almost always trolling deserves jail sentences, then there's something wrong with you.
Also not to mention all these arrests are only one way. @@rentaspoon219
I find fearmongers focus on making their "fear" message sound reasonable, while those that seek to protect and lead typically explain where things are at. k
Just saying the N word doesn't get anyone jailed. It usually all the other words around an N word that typically come with using the N word. i.e. threats to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness
Right? I don't condone mean spiritedness, NOR do I wish to excuse it as JUST "free speech". Words do matter. Sure, the line between just being mean vs. making actual threats is quit vague depending what company you keep.
I would like fearmonger guy to do some further research to thresh out his position, as I am not quit sure it amounts to so many people around putin jumping out of windows to commit "suicide".
CZcams deleting my response comments yet again.... Shocker
1984 & Animal Farm were absolutely right . Both written by a Brit .
They actually weren't right. The left just used those novels as instruction manuals.
Don't forget brave new world
Wasent he born and raised in India though?
You don't get to delete my comment, and then harass me with notifications, whenever someone _else_ posts. Can't have it both ways.
today's UK is more communist than today's Russia, so why doesnt anyone boycott UK?
I guess there is a difference between asking for free speech - and insulting people racisticly.
No, free speech includes that right. If you can't be racist, insult people, promote the overthrow of the government, it's not free speech. Very people understand what free speech entails.
@@waarschijn Being able to have free speech, especially to speak against the Crown (government), was the basis of the 1st Amendment in America.
@@nyrockchicxx Yes, exactly. Free speech includes everything, aside from the obvious perjury, direct actionable threats, etc. It certainly includes racism.
If you can't even insult people, why you think you can insult the government and the governors? That's a good trick to make you feel you have freedom of speech. They allow you to do so because you have no influence and they don't care.
That man's facial expression changed faster than my city's traffic light
He was thinking something less than that of Russia 😂
Think about how Snowden enjoys life in Russia while Assange is mistreated in Britain.
Best underated comment!!
snowden and assange are both russian assets and if you support them you should also go live in russia
Well look at what happens in ruzza all the time, people r flying down the balconies, people get poisoned etc
I bet they are both miserable
@@siralexis6590 when you realize both the US and UK coerces and poisons more people than Russia.
That's why we're keeping our FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!
Actually, the deputy director of the British Council in Egypt, where I was working, told me once that people might lose their jobs for mocking the royal family of UK in social media, this is while he was asking me to refrain expressing my views in Facebook myself which were about local events and other stuff that got nothing to do with the UK, so, yes, it is not really the free world and the simplest freedom, the freedom of speech, is restricted
If this lady was arrested for posting it then the artist should be arrested for composing and recording this song.
And the record company should be charged with distribution.
@@virtualatheist agreed
That’s racist
Who owns the record labels
@@leslie-annmills-gomez8763oh vey! Stop noticing!
So why weren't the people who produced the record charged??? That's utterly ridiculous. Meanwhile real villains walk the streets!
@mog-gyveroneill2500
“So why weren't [...] villains walk the streets!"
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Perhaps the original singers of the song are black ?
For some reason, it is NOT considered offensive if one black person says that word to another black person.
Because they're Black
Law should not be affected by what race ure, I guess equality just an illusion
Meanwhile real villains walk the Houses of Parliament, and the House of Lords.
Producers and artist were dark.
#equality
And UK has half of the population of Russia.
Seeing the smile on his face disappear so quickly pretty much explains how bad the situation is.
clever manipulation
Orwell wasn't writing about the communists in his book 1984, he was writing about the future of Britain.
And they actually do nothing to the protestors who block the important roads
Seems to me the British politicians and law makers used it has a 'How-to' guide
Orwell lived in England so itll make sense that 1984 would be based on what Orwell .
He was savvy to certain information.
And Canada and US and…..
And the United States.
A boy who stabbed a 15 year old was last week fined £50 and told by the judge to write a letter of apology to his victim!
Of course!
This is deliberate to demoralize the people by having no confidence in the justice of the government. Its overt psychological conditioning because it is so confusing it distorts the masses and makes them feel helpless.
"oi bruv im sorry for stabbin ya" - mohammad
@@justinsneed7827native Britain’s don’t commute crime?
So I’ve got a golly doll. Oh sorry I mean the proper name golly wog yes golly wog and I will not change the name for no one
I think it's right to be held accountable for actual harm done through social media, so basically harassment, but what is described is a ridiculous miscarriage of justice.
Jeremy Clarkson said this years ago.
„Unfortunaly, Britain is not a free Country anymore.“
When you hear stories like this you begin to question what else is going on
Yeah, questions like : is it true??
Or questions like : did he included people who got arrested for filming themselves committing crimes and putting it on Tic Tok? (because thats not so much because of posting on social media as actually committing crimes)
And of course, how many of those would fall under using social media to hook up with a minor. (granted, its a bit the same as the other one, but still worth mentioning considering the prevalence).
Not to mention, how many got "disappeared" for actual political opinions in both countries?
That is because you believe them without checking them. It is totally different.
You britards should just start posting “illegal” content in masses, they can’t catch you all
I first question if the story is true.
britards
Easy solution , everybody delete social media and never go on it again !
Ironically, England was the first country in the world to define free speech as a legal right. What a time to be alive.
Free speech does not mean you can attacked people
@@frofrofrofro900 you can't attack no one with speech. Everyone is free not to listen. If you think that speech can be harmful then the person who chooses to listen chooses to be harmed.
@@Dmitryzakharov THANK YOU
There's NO England anymore, there's United Kommunismus
You can’t have free speech when you only allow speech you like
Source: Trust me bro
She should sue for that, ain't no way that can be for real
Also important to mention, UK population is 65 million, Russias population is 145 million. So it’s not even proportional.
Those people arrested in Russia were most likely arrested for a good reason too
Putin arrested 15000 people not 400 as he said... Those 15000 Russians
Were Rigth wing all anti communist , they know Putin is communist kgb killer...
400 people out of 145Million
3,300 people out of 65 Million
Wow, it's a high rate.
If russia arrested Russians saying the nword in the internet they would have to arrest half the country though
Also worth mentioning that the girl he talks about had her conviction overturned.
Wiped the smile right off the interviewer with truth that he couldn't even imagine. That's simply profound
that he acknowledges. and im sure it sparks an interest in more cases like this one. the more talk about it, the more act on it.
The interviewer is in agreement here. He's actually the former Deputy Prime Minsiter of Australia party of a Conservative party
Yeah, I have serious doubts that only 400 people per year get arrested for that in Russia.
@@MajtzyThe rest fall down stairs ;)
This is 2019 it got much worst in Russia since. Also arrested in Britain isn't quite the same as arrested in Russia. They still have gulag in Siberia
Ive had people try to rob my house, attack me sat in traffic, people confuse me for someone else and corner me in an alleyway with knifes yet the police said they cant help, yet i called a teacher a nonce as a kid and they had the police around that same day 😂
Even his ears changed posture when the dude said 3300
It's concerning how easily freedom of speech can be restricted. The power dynamics are definitely something to be wary of.
That's Socialism for you.
UK has no freedom of speech, but freedom of opinion.
@@davidlafleche1142 Please define socialism with your own words. I want to ROFL.
@@johnscaramis2515 Socialism is when 1% of the population (politicians and other super-rich people) hog most of the money, most of the real estate and all of the power. In other words, Socialism is exactly the same as Communism and Fascism.
@@johnscaramis2515 From the perspective of the "deplorables"--
Send
Over
Cash
I'm
A
Lazy
Inert
Shameless
Moocher
That's why I support the freedom of speech warriors.
Why don't you instead support common sense? Obviously this charge was utterly ridiculous on the face of it. There could have been other mitigating factors. Was she a member of a racist hate group and this was her 10th offense? I don't know, do you? Is this guy even telling the truth at all? i don't know, do you? Let's say I riled up a hate group with lies that didn't like your religion or even the car you drive, and they went to your house and burned it down. Should I be charged with something or just the hate group that I targeted you with? Like I said, use common sense. There is never just black and white for any issue.
Or maybe don't bleed out of your asshole because someone said something that hurt your little feelings? Fight me.
@@jamesryan7684 Because "common sense" was used when the "constitution" was written and put into place. That's why. There is extremely high "value" in the "Freedom of speech" that is secured to you by our 1st Amendment and which is "secured" by our 2nd Amendment
The irony is that if Kisin was in Moscow, he would be in prison now for his public statements against Russia. On the BBC, he described his feelings of shame for his home country and talked about Putin's brutal bombardment of his family in Ukraine. It's a good thing he can hide out in Britain.
you can only have freedom of speech in China.
Don’t let yourself be manipulated by this. Notice how this guy switches from data to anecdotes making it seem like all 3300 people were arrested for posting irrelevant things like song lyrics, when in all likelihood there were numerous reasons why people got arrested like threatening violence and assault. I say in all likelihood because the numbers he cited can’t be found, probably because they don’t exist. Don’t let yourself get fooled by these con men
Snd he doesn't elaborate on why were those Russians arrested (mostly because they go against war and putin, who's a criminal as agressive war is a crime in Russia). You're punished for being decent in Russia.
Me during the video: "oh its probably because they made a threat or posted something about a crime"
Me after the video: "oh"
Democracy and free speech in UK? Never heard of it 😂
That's cause in Russia most dare not say anything. That statement did count how many statements made by Brits vs Russia, if you had that figure then it be a fair comparison. Else it's just dangling factoid.
You can go to russian, and experience "freedom of speech in Russian"
Democracy and free speech in the world? Never existed!
Democracy and freedom is just an utopian ideology that can never happen. Nothing in this world is free.
@HornedGod1weak immigration laws are going to destroy the best countries in the world.
Could it be worse than Canadá??
Orwell's 1984 Thought Crimes. Well done, Britain..
The only difference is the people in the UK thought they were free so they spoke, the people in Russia know the deal so they won't.
UK,US, Canada Australia, New Zealand....all of Anglo- Saxon heritage.
@@hudsonstraight8628
Que? No hablo ingles
Add a little "Brave New World" by Huxley to the mix and you have yourself today's Great Britain
speech, not thought, right? sickening non the less. freedom of speech, one of the pilars of our democratic system..well, britains, to be precise..
Despicable that someone is arrested because of lyrics in a song .Yet police turn a blind eye when it suits.👎
Oh... I see the light now! It's the police departments fault... Um, they are directed from higher up... Ultimately they obey the policies of the chief city prosecutor. And they follow directives of mayor's etc. The problem is the accepted fascist ideologies. 😮
Private citizens owning the means of production, the government controlling it for their benefit without the responsibilities. A defacto partnership between big corporations and big government... That's the economic-politico aspect of that type of government known as fascism. 😮
British police are the biggest joke. They’re so indoctrinated with their white knight savior complexes. Though really what it is, is Stockholm syndrome. They just don’t realize it yet.
And these people's ancestors bled and died in the bloodlands of Europe to protect freedom, and this is what they got for it? Would they have done so if they knew that this was in their future?
@@jacqueslefave4296 No they never would have signed up had they known how our country would end up.Its a kick in the teeth to all those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
@@ingridredfern5065 It seems that at a minimum, the living have the obligation to preserve in peacetime what those heroes gave so much to gain and preserve in war.🤔
Its odd a single word is more important than bad actions
That is the most British response you can offer My goodness 😅😅
This is not about The Dangers of Posting on Social Media, this is about the dangers of living under tyranny.
And that is why, even with all the problems it causes, the U.S. has the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution. It's not about ducking hunting. Our Founding Fathers knew that a gov't could go rogue and they gave the citizens the ability to resist.
If it is not about the dangers of posting on social media, then why on earth did you feel the need to post your comment, capitalising "The Dangers of Posting on Social Media"? Yet, lower-casing the point you were actually, trying to make!
Contradicted yourself you twit, by over emphasising what you argued against!
to do this, you need to find tyranny and live in it
You literally copied the top comment above you and just changed the wording. Well done!
In Britain!
A copper convicted of gross misconduct in public office got 50 hours!
Lets all share isolated cases that confirm our confirmation bias /s
This video is a lie. The woman's case got overturned. She didn't spend a year under curfew. And Russia routinely arrests and kills people for posting lgbt content, so that 400 arrests claim is a lie too.
“criminal charges are widely used in Russia to stifle critical discussion online”, with most arrests falling under Article 282 (“actions aimed at inciting hate or enmity”) and Article 280 (“public calls for extremist activity”) of the criminal code."
This is Russian propaganda.
She got out. Her appeal was granted.
@@tachobrenner it is a guy
@@nrw34260 and ashkenazi
And that was bloody overtime.
We are never content with any of our states, whether they are dictatorships or democracies, people always complain. Only difference is the way the people complain.
Thousand in the UK. I have said this. The UK is big at distraction politics. Blacken others whilst distracting from what we are really about!
3.300 were questioned. It was 160 arrests. Fact checking is so Important nowadays.
Is that supposed to be better?
@@blackspike2710objectively, yes
Well if you adjust for population Britain is at the same level kind of
@@dsaikonno it isn’t, soon they’ll arrest more and more ppl and question even more people. Britian “democracy” died a long time ago
Even questioned is a joke
After "3300" His Face changed serious SO Fast 😂❤
Even before the number came out😂
he prolly expected 0 lol
the truth sucks.
It's actually even more shocking because Russia has a much bigger population than the UK.
if you dont like you can leave and go to russia
The law need only point a finger of guilty at another human to prosecute another and the circle of rights goes round and round.
Why is he surprised? UK is the only country where rappers cover their faces to avoid prison for their lyrics.
Free country 🤡🤡
Thats the reason they wanted brexit....for freedom😅
To be fair, they are rapping about various crimes they have committed
Опа! XD
Didn't Russia jail pussyriot for literally free speech?
Happening here in Nigeria too with a woman who spoke against a fake tomato paste brand, she's still fighting for her freedom till date.
That' wasn't fighting for a fake tomato paste, that's discrediting a whole organization.
She should be jailed, if you have a company, you would know what it means for someone to defame your product and ask people to boycott it from being used.
She should be jailed, fined and made to apologise publicly over such defamation.
I don't trust tomato paste in a can. I prefer the ones in glass jars from Italy.
@@Roonna I just know you supported Tinubu
@Roonna A place where people can't criticize the products they don't like leads to bad products. The world needs honesty.
What? Arrested for not liking to mato sauce???? This is insane
The Chelsea Russell case is grossly mistaken. She posted the lyrics in response for a 13 year old dying in a motor accent, and her sentence came to 8 weeks, not 1 year, of community service and curfew, plus a 500 pound fine.
He said arrested last year, then gave an example of a girl in Britain from 2018. So are we comparing one year in Russia to six years in Britain?
The western free world is falling apart everywhere we look.
It was 8 weeks that she had a curfew. She also appealed and won the appeal, thank the universe.
Did they refund her fine?
Please don't take exception to my sarcastic sense of humour, but ..
after hearing the long list of punishments dished out to that unfortunate lady,
i feel like saying
"and on the third day, she rose again",
Which she DID!
Also ruzzia puts their people in jail for 25+ years. Just a tiny difference between punishments 😂😂😂
it doesn't matter - psychologically she got her mark... for this nonsense. It doesnt matter how many wins you will win against gov.
The fact that she even had to deal with this at all is just utter nonsense.. and the punishment maybe different but there shouldn't be a punishment at all
Freedom of speech is vital in a world full of snowflakes.
And the snowflakes' very existence relies on the death of freedom of speech.
And tyrants
This is absolute! As long as people aren’t yelling “fire” where there is none.
So "thou shalt not take the lord's name in vain" is proof God is a snowflake .... and all followers of Abrahamic Religions are also snowflakes - thanks for clearing that up
Just imagine how happy Google and Faceplant are to oblige the Governments requests to eaves drop on these people's business!
The myth of democracy and free speech...
You can sell the song, you can play it on the radio, but you get arrested in a free country for repeating it…MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
The UK isn't a free country 😂😂😂 the only country that has the freedom of speech is the USA. The rest have variations of ALLOWANCES for speech. Some limit it to cartoonist levels. Others are like the USA but without guarantees of it being protected.
You're confused in thinking that England is free. This is proof it's not.
Very easy
We in the West don't live in free countries
Are there free countries? And if there are, what exactly is a free country?
Free speech is only a distant memory for us in fascist Britain.
then change it
You never had free speech. You confuse the US 1st amendment with the wrong country. Even your Former Prince Henry said that the right to free speech doesn't make sense and people shouldn't have the right to say what they want. That was during an interview with Oprah.
We might not be far behind you in the U.S. old friend.
Please don't let this happen to the UK!!
FIGHT!! And take your country back!
They slipped a couple past you but its not too late. Protest! If necessary REVOLT!
THEY ONLY HAVE THE POWER THAT THE PEOPLE GIVE THEM!!!
TAKE IT BACK!!!
THEY ARE ONLY HUMAN TOO!!
If you understood the true meaning of that word, you wouldn't be using it in a derogatory way to describe our situation
@@jaybartgis5148You're right, you have it far worse than fascism over there
The difference is in Britain you get a fine or, in very rare cases such as this one, community service. In Russia you get 10 years hard labour in a detention camp in Siberia
If i was that poor girl, i woulda gotten contempt of court as well. The things i would say to that judge cannot be said here.
Animal Farm was a prediction not a warning.
Same as American Pie.
In the book 1984 Orson Wells wrote about what he was seeing happen to with governments and the elite control that was already occurring back in 1948 when he wrote it. That was not a prediction but concern for what was already happening. He didn't realize that tv would become so hugely influential, but he had the three minutes of hate right. That totally describes our current daily news.
Let’s talk about ASSANGE !!! In jail just because he was documenting the truth
What an hypocrisy
I can't believe my Like is only the 8th!
@@ameliagfawkes512 Have you ever considered that there would be a hundred or even a thousand more likes but those other thousand are just being careful about being put on the “watch list” for liking such a comment? We’re surveilled enough already as it is, but why invite more attention?
Assange put lives in danger
@1982Nels your life I suppose. Who else besides you????🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡💯👍👍👍👍👍
Uh, so WHY did he SELL it to RUSSIA??? Assange was the SPY who HACKED HRC'S E-MAILS and SOLD the contents to Russian Intel. and YOU KNOW IT, TRAITOR!
That's why I don't take too or face book or Twitter or any other platform of that type. I watch you tube shorts and make comments on other people's posts. And I watch news on CZcams because it is mostly uncensored.
Apparently there is nobody that is actually free
Right now, I think the whole English speaking world is completely nuts...
I'm from an English speaking country and I don't disagree with you. Thankfully, it's not ALL of us.
It's spread to all of the EU, too
Cromwell turned them insane
I'm in a Quasi-English speaking country and we understand how nuts you are.
It comes from America 100%…sort those nut bags out and all will be well again
To add some additional context to Chelsea Russell, she represented herself in court. Always foolish, never represent yourself, get proper expert legal representation. After being convicted she then did get expert legal representation, who were quickly successful in overturning her conviction in a successful appeal that was absolutely damming of her original investigation, trial and prosecution. Also she was placed under 8pm-8am curfew for 8 weeks, not a year.
And about the other 3299 arrested?
Arresting her was wrong in the first place. The rest is all drama and needless argument.
To add further context, which you seem to have neglected to mention.
Under the 2003 communication decency act, it is illegal to use the internet to transmit or make public any material that is considered "grossly offensive".
This term, does not have any definition as provides by the law or the courts. To reiterate, an intentionally vague law will get you arrested, prosecuted and found guilty, on the whims of whatever police officer, prosecutor or judge is there at a given time.
But know, "sticks and stones may breaks my bones but words can never hurt me." Except of course, when the right person has been offended and wishes to see you punished.
If you do not know the law, it might be foolish to represent yourself in a court of law.
Well the true context is that she was arrested in the first place which is a F**KING DISGRACE in a so called "free democracy"!
Time for an overhaul of government
Telling the truth will get you arrested in Britain 😢
Same in Sweden. No free speech if you are not in line with the narrative.
The criminals are the ones imposing penalties
“Obviously, this country is very different.” That is such a great setup to his point! I was shocked by the number he revealed and totally expected it to be lower!
Константин Кисин это кукла путлера. Он манипулирует цифрами.
Почитайте какие в России приговоры получили эти 400 человек. Это политические преследования за критику властей
Oh I knew it was going to be high.
His choice of words set it up for an expectation for it to be low, but the mischievous look in his eyes right after were saying, wait for it.
@@tavishnesbit101 i knew it was going to be high because Britains censorship and government over reach is maybe even worse than Canadas, and its fn bad in Canada.
"My goodness" 💀
Bro's face went yellow , he thought he lived in Heaven or something
Most of the people are not ready to discuss about the “democracy” or “freedom” of west…and yep, I was born and raised in the west
Not the dangers of posting on social media” but rather “the dangers of electing tyrants”
You can't always see a tyrant coming until you've elected them. This is why it's important for the general populace to be armed without restrictions.
More just idiots. Most politicians aren’t evil people trying to control the world, they are idiots who think they are geniuses. They just can’t think for themselves, they only try to please the general public and be as inoffensive as possible.
Not the dangers of social media more the dangers of living in the UK anymore, and starting to go that way in the US.
This is why the US has the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It protects all the other rights and freedoms from tyranny.
@@sssigsauer2266 not really. usa have 1st amendment for freedom of expression. Uk doesn't
England's Tyrannical behaviour. Free Julian Assange now.
today's UK is more communist than today's Russia lol, ONLY GERMANY AND FRANCE CAN SAVE EUROPE NOW.
Need these politicians tagged and on curfew for the rest of their lives .
This keep happening around the world. In my country, in Brazil, you don't have free speech anymore. Many people were arrested because their opinions.
Now you know how important the first amendment is to our constitution. it's a shame that CZcams doesn't respect our first amendment rights
Funnily enough its the 1st amendment clause that ensures that YT is seen as a private venue and thus able to enforce their own standards, just as a university or a bar likewise can enforce theirs
True, CZcams is a danger to democracy
Reminder that the first amendment is not protected in private entities, or rather, youre free to say what you want but not without consequences.
CZcams had no obligation to honor most any of your rights.
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