TurboDirect S.A K04-0064 Ball Bearing 500HP bolt on turbo
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- We have been asked so may times for a ball bearing setup for this old model K04 turbocharger, and being so popular locally in South Africa, we decided to take on the challenge about 8 months ago - This is the result of a long and hard process that has provided a true 500HP capable turbocharger which is 100% bolt on, and includes all the accessories and installation parts required to get your ball bearing turbocharger installed, leaving you with tuning. Enjoy.
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Finally a solution that ticks all the boxes! Well done Turbo Direct team! I have been dreaming about G25-660 ever since it was launched and for you to put this into a K04-0064 bolt-on solution is absolutely brilliant! Very exciting! Planning to bolt this on to my Leon Cupra!
Currently on ko4 with my 2.0t quattro A3 ..this really sets you apart from the usual . nice
It is a good upgrade for moderate power and no need to upgrade fuelling system to suit
Only a great pleasure. Magnificent 👍🏁🏁🏁
That is awesome. We'll done Turbo A Team. 😎🖐🏁🏁
Thanks Oom Pete
Absolutely fantastic, to be able to offer OEM or better quality like that while increasing the level of performance is awesome. Are there any plans to show the real world performance on supported models?
I remember there was a video showing installation, road test, dyno testing for Gold R about a year or so, seeing that style of video with this turbocharger I think would make excellent content.
Thank you for the suggestion, unfortunately we sold the development car which we used for the development of the previous upgrades we offered, But i will see if one of the dealers will share the upgrade info and dyno info with us. More to come.
We are ready Chris!! Misano Is coming
Hi, I could not find any compressor map details on this unit. I just want to confirm for the 500hp mark in relation to the gauge pressure required or the range of gauge pressure required.
Thanks again for covering the technical aspects in the other comparison videos, it's really informative and helps make informed decisions on our required setups 👍💪🙏
500HP is directly related to the engines ability to "use" the provided air flow. The compressor is capable of providing 58lb/min of air flow.
Hey Turbo Direct,
When you guys say 500hp I'm guessing that hp is at the wheels?
According to the flowrate of the g25-660 it maxes at 60lbs/min, (roughly 600hp crank), so after driventrain losses, etc it should produce around the 500whp mark?
Currently running at TTE420, but looking to build the engine in the future.
Hey Thanks for the comment, we never claim Wheel HP - because every dyno is different, and everyone uses different correction factors to "make their products look good" we work on factual information like the flow rate of the turbocharger in its assembled format with its turbine and compressor housings (with their AR values) working on a bench which we then measure the flow and can then confirm that the power the engine should produce (If it can use the air flow from the turbocharger) is according to the turbochargers ability.
We also dont claim HP numbers based on the very tip of the choke line of the compressor map - we reference a useable vertical line INSIDE of the maps flow curve left of the choke limit - this is a safe, and realistic HP figure. If you make more on your said dyno - good for you, but what we claim you should not make less than.
Will the manifold fit the EA113 motor? I’ve got the stock ko3 with APR stage 2 turn and am wondering if i can just bolt this on or will i have to go with a different manifold.
Yes it will bolt onto the Golf MK5 and MK6 2.0Litre EA113 motor
Excellent video!
Hi Chris,one quetsion:why there may exsit different angles(compress housing,turbine housing or central housing) for the same turbo?
One can adjust the angels by ourselves?Does it affect turbo's performance? Thank you!
Alex, im not sure what you mean. If you referring to the orientation on the compressor and turbine housings, then yes this is adjustable, BUT we set this according to the OEM specifications, so that this turbo bolts on without any adjustment required.
@@TurboDirectSA Thank you!
Yes,you are correct,I mean the orientation of turbine housing and compressor housing.
You know,sometime,one genunie turbo(same part number) was manufactured by different
suppliers,isn't it? So the orientation can be different? Then how can we know what
orientation fit my vehicle?
@@user-nu5el6ex3s The orientation will not affect performance at all. No ALL manufacturing locations use the identical Delta and Omega (orientation degree settings) data so there is never any alignment issues when installing.
Turbocharger work with part#'s specifically for this reason, so the Golf GTI Mk5 and 6 will use the 53039880105 and the IHI turbocharger (they are interchangeable except for the DV on the IHI unit is 1mm smaller in Diameter.
The 53049880064 (K04-0064) is a 100% bolt on replacement for these turbochargers. If you have a different vehicle, then this turbo wont fit -
All this is confusing lol! Have only ever had n/a BMWs, recently got my first VAG (and FI motor ever). I've an ea113 2.0 TFSI A3, and as I understand it, k04 from the S3/6R is the most recommended fuss-free upgrade (with OEM supporting mods). Wasn't aware there are different 'flavours' of k04 so I'm lost again lol. So how does one choose coming from full stock k03? Then also read gtx3071 might be better in the long run in case you get bored with the power as it has a higher power ceiling, but then you're likely looking at a built motor...
I saw you mention Yosh in an earlier comment, I'm hoping to have that sort of work done by him in due time, I'm currently getting preventative maintenance items from DarkArtz first.
Apologies for being long-winded!
Stephen first off, you in real good hands with Yosh - the ball bearing turbo we have in the K04 guise is capable of more than any GTX30R in terms of spool and outright pound for pound HP output - the nice thing is its bolt on and no fabrication is required to install or fit - all you need is the tuning side which Yosh is the man for -
You mentioned that it is not possible for a G25-660 to hit the 600ish hp target, but why is the brand advertising that hp rating? Is the advertised hp based on a higher octane fuel? Is it the same for the G25-550 as well? Thanks.
From experience on various engines, the G-series turbos do not make the claimed power - in fact the claimed power in HP at the top of the Garrett catalogue does not match the compressor map flow in lb/min. I spoke with someone who used to work at Garrett and it was confirmed that they changed the multiplication of the lb/min > HP calculation on the G-series to 11 for the smaller turbos and in some cases by 12 - if you want a realistic lb/min value, divide the HP by 11 and some cases 12 - this is what you will experience in reality. You will notice that the exducer of the G-series compressors are really small, i believe in my opinion this is why the flow rates have dropped amoung other things.
Need it's turbo for my golf
k04-064 hybrid with 51.5mm inducer turbine wheel blades and 49.5mm exducer?
Hi Guys, I have a Golf 6 35 edition Gti which comes stock with a K04 . My question is does my car have the K04-0064 as u mention here ? If so can I send my turbo in to do this aswell?
The K04-0064 will bolt directly onto your setup - there is nothing to send in, this is an off our shelf bolt on turbo which you simply install and tune.
The stock turbo you can sell to recoup funds if you choose to.
I have a gen 1 ea888 TSI in my 2013 CC with a K04-064 that is experiencing valve float at 6,000 rpm due to weak factory exhaust valve springs. Would you think the better flowing exhaust side of this turbo resolve my issue so I can keep factory exhaust valve springs?
Thanks for the question Nate - replace the springs with a solution, dont try use a different component to "fix" a problematic component - it wont work.
Change the springs, for upgraded tension models and get it done properly. The Turbo is not there to "fix" other hardware issues - shy away from this thinking.
@@TurboDirectSA thanks for the response! I already have Supertech springs that need to be installed. Car has updated tensioner and chain stretch is at -1.61* so timing system is healthy. Appreciate your expert advice. Once I get the valve float sorted I’ll look at a larger K04 frames hybrid like yours.
@@nates2243 100% sort the issues out one step at a time, and progress from there. Good luck with the project buddy.
Stock manifold? As its the main collector which restricts k04-064 turbo housings to reach 500bhp
The manifold is stock in terms of bolting onto the engine, but the internal tract inside is larger, hense the ability for the turbocharger to deliver the 500HP. The walls of the casting internally are also thicker, preventing the common cracking with the oem housings in certain areas.
Hey do you have to make any type of mechanical upgrades just to use this turbo setup? And how much is the cost for the turbo? Thanks
No mechanical upgrades required to the engine per say. Just keep the boost low enough to stay inside of the max HP capability of the engine. You will need to upgrade cooler, DP and exhaust to extract any worthwhile power increase.
My Audi TT MK2 tfsi Is ready for fitting!!
Ordered, !! Payed!! Waiting for fitting
@@lucatronconi3558how much did you pay at the time for the turbo ?
@@enzoUKSC 1500
@@lucatronconi3558 thanks man
Hi there do you do a variant of these turbos to fit a vauxhall astra h vxr?
Apologies no, it was not as popular of a request as the VAG setups.
Hi, really interested with this set up!! Currently I’m running K04 in my 2012 Q3 Quattro and looking to upgrade. Was considering the tte480 or go big with efr, probably 7163 or 7670 twin scroll. I believe this turbo is just better than the tte everywhere. Any thoughts on which turbo should I go with? Thank you in advance, and really appreciate that you still have something for the older (pre gen3 ea888) engines.
Without a doubt the EFR is leagues ahead of the TTE product, they not even in the same ball park. The EFR is obviously ball bearing and the TTE is not. Its not a fair comparison at all. I would definitely opt for the EFR over the TTE for less money too. It will cost you to make up the manifold though, but the EFR will outperform the TTE by far. Our product is Ball Bearing and competes directly with the other "hybrid" builds out there.
@@TurboDirectSA I’m very sure the efr would make way more power than tte, the only reason I’m still hesitant is the response. Would that big of a turbo be more laggy on a 2liter 4 cylinder engine..
@@youtubeviewer2919 It will spool as fast -- see here:- czcams.com/video/9tpqrXOzAyc/video.html
@@TurboDirectSA nice video!! In fact that’s the first of many videos from you that I’ve seen about the efr turbos (including the long 2 part comparison with the g series). Honestly I was quite sure to go g series before watching them.
For now your hybrid k04 just kicked the tte out of my short list, seriously considering it for my car. I think it’s gonna be a simpler bolt on solution than going efr and still making good power, just two questions I’m wondering now.
1. Why choose garret internals instead of efr
2. Price
Can’t thank you enough for all the information n videos!!
@@youtubeviewer2919 Great comment and question thank you - th reason we chose Garrett was because this project started 8 months ago, and at that time we had already chosen the rotating assembly for the build as it was easier to accommodate than the Borg was due to the huge water cooling jackets on the Borg bearing housing, which would make the K04 baring housing impossible to reproduce as a direct bolt on as the physical dimensions would have to be increased past the ability to install the stock fittings, lines etc. Also the rotating assembly was small enough to allow the end housings not to have to increase in size that much that it would be impossible to install the rotating assembly into them without the housings being too big for the available geography under the hood.
hello friend this turbo can be sent to Brazil? what is its value today?
I wish I can save a little bit and go for it
Would love a k04 for my a4
Can the stock engine on golf r mk6 handle 450-480whp ?
No it wont - 400WHP MAX -- and thats on the limit. I would forge the bottom end and do the job right the first time if this HP target is your intention.
You could make something similar for opel/vauxhall astra h opc/vxr z20lex k04 which is also not famous for its reliability.
We have a hybrid upgrade for this turbo found here:- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/turbocharger-turbodirect-s-a/performance-racing-3/billet-compressor-wheels/k04r-6-blade-billet-hulk-wheel-detail
Will this turbo setup work on a Revo Stage 3 car ?
Revo stage 3 software is meant for a K04 turbo setup
The turbo will work on any engine designed for the turbo to bolt onto it. The tuning is something that will have to be done after the turbo installation.
@@TurboDirectSA Which company do you recommend to do the tuning for this turbo?
@@ALTF26 Yosh from Darkarts - noone else if you are local. Otherwise if you operate abraod, use GT innovation - Thanos Farmakis. Beware of the copy and paste "tooners" out there.
would this fit a 2013 2.0t A4 Allroad quattro?
Not without manifold fabrication.
Ready to order this turbo but apparently no stock at the moment.
1. Any idea when new stock arrives?
2. Any Dyno results from people who have successfully installed and tuned this? Would love to have an idea of the graph and spool characteristics.
3. Do you have a compressor map?
4. On your custom housings...are the AR's the same as the Garret G25-660?
5. What is the warranty ok the turbo?
Apologies about this, the product is extremely popular, we cant keep up with the demand at the moment - we working on a new manufacturing plant which we aiming to have built and setup in the next three weeks. more to come on that.
Contact Yosh from DarkArts - he has tuned these turbos previously and has plenty data for you. The AR of the turbine housings and compressor housings are not the same as the Garrett housings, however they are around 25% larger at the tongue on the turbine and the compressor flow limit is increased substantially aswell.
@@TurboDirectSA hi there, when would manufacturing resume on this turbo :-)
@@edwardmaluleka5326 October mid to late.
@@TurboDirectSA just wanted to check whether the manufacturing is still on track :-)
@@edwardmaluleka5326 We are trying, international shipping delays causing havoc.
Very good video... My doubt with the hybrid turbos is.... Comparison of the k04-064 with the G25-660.... When hybridizing the k04-064 to be internally the same size as the G25-660 it is not weaker than the original G25-660?
My hesitation is because of the exhaust back pressure that can be caused by the k04-064 turbine housing compared to the G25-660 housing, which is much larger visually.
Am I wrong in this thought?
Thanks for the compliment - firstly this is NOT a hybrid. Our hybrid consists of upgrading the stock journal bearing turbocharger with our 7blade splitter compressor with other turbine modifications we do. This is a completely new turbo with revised AR on both turbine and compressor housings. The turbo has been in operation on various cars for over 3 years now running 1.8-2.1bar gauge pressure on various engines, built and stock bottom end.
@@TurboDirectSA to understand your project well... do you manufacture the compressor and turbine cases with larger diameters? Or do you use the original turbine and compressor cases from the k04-064?
@@fabiolourenco Original end housings have BorgWarner logos and markings on them, our turbo does not. Nothing on our turbo is stock.
Fabio fitted on my audi TT MK2 tfsi 200 kh..very impressive dyno result!!!
What power and torque did it give you? What fuel did it use?
Nice.. can you please post any link to the product?
turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/k04-0064-forged-detail
Can we use k04 software with this turbo?
Are you local to South Africa? If so i have a tuner who does software for these turbos. Otherwise you need stage3 big turbo software - the K04 turbo software will not work.
Any hybrid options for KO4-23?
Good question thank you - the housing AR's on these turbochargers are really small, and upgrading the compressor and/or turbine stage generates massive heat into the engine and intercooler, the result is definitely NOT a reliable one. We are able to upgrade these turbochargers easily, but we choose not to for the reasons above.
Hi, I got the ko4-23 on my 2002 1.8t s3 , will the ko4-064 be a straight bolt on ? Not sure if the bolt pattern is the same as the 2.0 heads?
On the site when I add to cart, it says self pick up under shipping, I'm in cape town how do I change it? Can't see any option for it.
Dont change it - when you checkout it will automatically shoot a mail to the sales department who will mail you the invoice and contact you for the shipping method you prefer. The courier guy is the most cost effective. For this order value you qualify for free courier shipping to Cape Town. All the details you enter when you create your account will be mailed to sales - so make sure you enter all your details including phone number.
@@TurboDirectSA awesome, thank you!
@@raeezedwards1351 Pleasure buddy
@@TurboDirectSA I have been told that I have to organize my own shipping...this is not good service
@@raeezedwards1351 Not sure who you spoke to or dealt with, but i would suggest you contact Chris as he will arrange the shipping through the sales team for you.
Would this ko4 bolt on to 2013 A5 2.0f fsi
This turbo replaces the K04-0064 or K03 applications on the 2.0 TFSI and TSI engines.
have the size of inducer and exducer compressor ?
compressor wheel is 55mm x 68mm
have link to buy this turbo ?@@TurboDirectSA
Do you ship to USA? I need this.
We do yes. Please shoot an email to info@turbodirect.co.za for more info.
do you have stock currently?
Apologies - no stock currently, waiting for castings to arrive form the foundry so we can machine and build the next batch.
Does this fit on the mk1 cczb tiguan
This is a direct bolt on replacement for the GolfMK5 and Golf MK6 applications, aswell as the Audi which uses the same engine/turbo configuration.
@@TurboDirectSA great
What's the max power on 95 unleaded petrol?
What is the price with shipping to Madrid Spain?
Please shoot an email to info@turbodirect.co.za for more info.
Can you ship to UK??
Yes we do - Shoot an email to info@turbodirect.co.za for more info.
Where can this turbo be purchased?
James see here:- turbodirect.co.za/store/index.php/shop/turbochargers/k04-0064-forged-detail
i have a brand new one for you
@@pierrecoetzee6219 where it is located? EU or elsewhere?
@@pierrecoetzee6219how much was it ?
Hello, can you tell me the price of the turbo please
yes sir - see here:- store.turbodirect.co.za/index.php/shop/turbochargers/k04-0064-forged-detail
@@TurboDirectSA there is no price on that page???
@@enzoUKSC Pls link your email to an account for pricing to become available
price for the turbo?
Please make contact with sales for pricing - or view the turbo here:- store.turbodirect.co.za/index.php/shop/turbochargers/k04-0064-forged-detail
How much
Price for thise kit?
store.turbodirect.co.za/index.php/shop/turbochargers/k04-0064-forged-detail
Product always out of stock? Any reason why?
Apologies that we are out of stock, we sell over 300pcs of this turb every month. If you did enquire, you would know that we have a back order list. Shoot an email to info@turbodirect.co.za if you would like to be put on a backorder list. Just so you know, this specific turbo with one more small revision to the turbine housing casting will be back in stock in around 7 days time - be quick, these WILL NOT stick around at the pricing we will be letting them go at.
Lucky VW/Audi guys.....
Buddy your tune is coming .... inside of this week, you will jump up and down i promise you!
It's tbo turbo
LOL - please go buy that product and use it. When it fails you, please share the pictures - we would love to share yet another failed unit next to ours and once again show why the cheap knock off chinese products fail due to lack of knowledge and poor quality components etc
@@TurboDirectSA The same turbo you showed us in training!! i remember when Chris showed us three of these failed chinese knock off turbos side by side to his, very poor quality when you know what to look for
@@sakkiebotha2416 Yes Sakkie same 3. What people dont understand about the chinese is that they use the same foundries as manufacturers do - often we get customers bringing in turbochargers that have the identical casting marks that say for example a Garrett T04 comp housing has on it (EC1, M27 etc) and yet the Garrett logo itself is ground off, the castings are identical, in fact the surface treatment and roughness is indistinguishable from eachother. Does this mean that this is a Garrett housing?
The same goes for the manufacturing process of ALL turbochargers, 90% of the components inside a turbo are cast, foundries around the world ESPECIALLY in china will copy a product when they realise it has a street value, and they will rely on selling the product based on the markings they have copied from the original - so which one is the original, the chinese copy of the designers product? What never ceases to amaze me is the lack of common sense out there--- But yes you are correct same failed turbos you saw in the training session.
@@TurboDirectSA to be truthful with you i was not convinced about what you told me until i saw for myself what you meant. When you showed us the machine in action making your compressor wheels and showed us the finished product it was clear to me after that.
@@sakkiebotha2416 Anyone is welcome to visit us for a tour - we have nothing to hide.
This a tbo ea28r turbo available on Alibaba or AliExpress for 800$ same exact one with same hardware, this is most likely just rebranded and sold for much higher price.
You welcome to purchase this turbocharger, please let us know how that goes. We have plenty experience with clients who have purchased these turbos and experienced negative results. Once you purchase the turbo, let us know, we will share the differences between this low budget copy and what components we use in the build of our product.
@@TurboDirectSA I have bought it running it in my TTS stage 3 can't fault runs 8s 100-200 on 415bhp mild tune due to stock engine. Had it on for about 4 months now.
@@kamzi1528 Thats great news - well done. Post some videos so we can all see.
@@kamzi1528 i take it this was a lie, and never happened
@@mr.partypanda6016 Exactly right
Its just another turbo from TBO lol.
LOL - So many locals said the same thing till they failed - show me a balance cut on their turbos, show me what cartridge they use, have you seen inside the castings and the machining swarf......, have you cut any casting open and seen the wall thickness? And the list goes on.
TBO - i think not. not even close.
@@TurboDirectSA You have the exact same manifold casting with the "EA28R" which TBO uses.
@@TurboDirectSA The similarities is down to even the same chinese made N75 valve.
@@TheFoxho Like i said, have you seen our manifold? Have you cut out manifold open? Do you know how foundries and 'copy cats' work in China? Have you visited the 'manufacturers' in China?
Just because AR70 and M57 are cast into the housing does this mean it's Garrett? You are commenting on something you know very little about.
Our products are controlled with a high level of quality control, just because a marking or casting number or reference is copied does not mean that the product is genuine, the same, or not - Do your research.
@@TheFoxho How do you know the valve is made in China, and not Vietnam? Have you seen a Vietnam valve? Have you ever tested either or both these products before? Have you measured the impedance of these two valves side by side before? Do you know what the over current limit is on the two valves? Have you seen the MAC valves that are now being offered as copies by two of hundreds of copiers out there -these also 'look the same' from the outside but are so far from the same internally its scary.
Necesito un envio! @turbodirect