Heritage Badlander 12-Gauge Side-By-Side Shotgun
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- In this video, I’ll give an honest review of the Heritage Badlander 12-Gauge side-by-side shotgun. Be sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos. Thanks for watching!
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For $893.00 it's an easy no go for most everyone.
Yeah, If I get a Heritage, I want a cheap fun plinker. A SxS in the $200 range would have been a "blast."
@@joshuabessire9169well your options for a $200 sxs are about 100yrs old questionably shootable and probably loose
Correct. Too expensive
Yep! One can buy a used Stoeger with proper steel and better wood for less than half used. These Turks also have pretty much zero resale, for those interested.
Yes, that is a bit high.🇺🇸😎
$300 and I will definitely buy.
Anything more ? Absolutely not.
its like 700? right?
Mossberg makes the Maverick 88 in the US for $250. Heritage needs to make an affordable side by side in the US.
Did not know that . May have to get one
Nobody can make an inexpensive double in the US, unless you want a plastic one from Hi Point.
The last "cheap" American made SxS was the Ruger Gold Label, and that thing was over $2k, 20 years ago.
The only inexpensive American doubles are the used ones at pawn shops and gun stores across the country, from Stevens/Savage or Ithaca made between the 30s and the 80s.
Doubles cost more money to make. They're time consuming. They used to be less expensive back in the day when all guns were made with hand fitted and soldered machined components. But today, most guns are using cast parts, polymers and stampings , being assembled on automated equipment.
There are too many "man hours" involved in making doubles, that's why the less expensive ones are imported from places with lower labor costs.
Mossberg imports their double barrel shotguns from Turkey. Their cheapest one is about $600. If Mossberg cannot make a cheap double in the States, with all it's years of manufacturing and experience, we cannot expect Heritage to do so.
Mossberg literally got it's start by making cheap shotguns. There were companies making bolt-action shotguns from military surplus bolt rifles. mossberg realized he could make a bolt-action shotgun cheaper from the ground up, with all new, lighter parts, and it would be better than the mil conversions.
The company's entire business model was to make good shotguns cheaper, and 105 years later, they're still not making their own double barrels.
It's just a hard gun to make inexpensively.
@@RequisiteFunction I’m finding that out. But I have had numerous other mossbergs and they have been fine guns. Thanks for that info 👍👍
Feel like that price is a bit steep for a basic double barrel shotgun, especially from Heritage... People expect affordable guns from them, I have a hard time justifying spending more than a Mossberg 590 for a basic double barrel from Heritage.
I kind of agree, because Heritage is known for price-point design characteristics.
Granted, they are not actually making this shotgun, but if their name is on it, it means they likely approved of the perameters of the build contract, and may have even speced it out.
I'm not excusing the price, but it is difficult to fairly compare the price of a double to the price of a pump. Doubles always cost more to make.
Unlike every other long arm, doubles are still made the same way they've been made since the hamerless box-lock was invented. There's a lot of machining and a lot of hand-fitment of parts. Theres no cheap way to go about it.
People flocked to pumps and bolt-action shotguns after ww2, and since they were cheaper to make , companies didn't bother putting more effort into making doubles cheaper. The Savage 311 would be the last "affordable" American double, and they only achieved that by streamlining the fit and finish so much that, compared to pre-war shotguns, it looks like a prop.
Even Mossberg is importing their doubles from Turkey. Their base model Silver Reserve is about $600. If they had a side by side, it would probably be around the same price.
Turkey is the shotgun capital of the world now it seems
It's also the "made in China" quality capital.
The quality sucks. Bought one made there, broke after just 3 shells shot
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Yeah, got one of their semi-autos and the slide locks up if you do anything but a full pull back and release.
@@seanfoltz7645 eh I think it depends. I've seen people say they bought a turkey made shotgun and they have had it for 15 years and its one of the most dependable shotguns they own. I've also heard horror stories lol so i think it just deepens on what make and model you buy.
@elimanning6520 I think you are correct. Just like China, the quality is dependent on two things: the subcontractor chosen to do the work, and the parameters of the contract.
China is more than capable of making quality equipment. But the people contract them to make low quality equipment, because they want to sell at a price point.
Case example: I went to the dollar store, and saw a hammer for sale. Granted, it was no Estwing or Vaughn, but it was...a hammer.
Now, in the States, you couldn't even fire up the forge for $1 to get started.
You'd go through more than $1 worth of steel, wood, sandpaper and packaging before the item ever left the shop. Not to mention labor.
China was never really a "gun hub" , in regards to manufacturing anyway.
Turkey is the new Belgium when it comes to firearms. It's a cottage industry of dozens of factories making gun parts and a few companies assembling guns from those parts.
Belgium was doing exactly this back in the late 1890s and into the 1920s.
Belgium made some good guns. They also made a ton of garbage shotguns which rivaled the plagiarism of Kyber Pass firearms.
Turkey has some good stuff, and they have some bad...because someone realized they can still profit off garbage.
Most people have nothing but praise for the CZ Turkish doubles.
As for this thing, IMO it's not worth the price over the CAS-proven Stoeger, doesn't look as finished as the Stoeger (which already isn't a great finish. Someone needs to teach those guys how to block sand).
So it is at a price that is in between a CZ and a Stoeger, but appears cheaper than the less expensive of the two.
If they want to see this thing move, lower the price or increase the quality of the finish.
To be priced between a Stoeger and a CZ, it should look the part.
That shotgun is good-looking. I love the old world look. Price is too high though. Stoeger is hard to beat
absolute legend for shooting both barrels at the same time - thx boss
I do what I can. LOL!
Turkish shotguns aren’t half bad in my personal opinion. I have a few break actions from turkey and they have never failed me or shown poor quality in any way. Thanks for the video, this is one of the best channels on the platform. 👍🍻
I got a "Springfield" 512 for 125 bucks. Shortened it up and reblued it for pennies. for almost 900 bucks, harder pass!
200 bucks, maybe.
CZ shotguns have been made in Turkey for years. Like everything, you get the quality you pay for.
Just take caliper to the muzzles, to figure out the chokes. Dang Heritage's a bit nutty on that thing. Get a Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme with interchangeable chokes and a real finish for hundred beans less
I've never been much of a shotgun guy, except for the coach guns. Those are my favorites! Very cool Dustin!
I'm a big fan of the Coach gun double barrell shotgun and the Stoeger Over/under version of the coach gun.
I’m the same. I haven’t really done any shotgun shooting in a long time, but I sure like this little coach gun.
@@GunsOfTheWest Yeah me neither but I do have 4 classic shotguns in pump auto and side by side the last in muzzle loading. every single one of em tho looks ten times better than that ugly Heritage. Just sayin.
You are correct, according to Heritage, the wood is walnut.
I have a few CZ and Stoeger coach guns, and all of them are cylinder bore.
Great video again, man! Thank you!
Did you buy your Stoegers like that? The only double I saw they offered was the "defense" one, with two cyl bores.
All the Coach guns I had were a combo of improved and modified.
There's a little punch-stamping on the bottom of the barrels. The tighter-choked barrel has more punches than the other.
@@RequisiteFunction yeah, I did buy it like that. I should have specified, the Stoeger coach I have, is the .410 bore. My other 20's and 12's are CZ.
So I'm not sure what the other gauge Stoeger coach guns have, but the one I have, that I bought a number of years ago with 20" barrels, has two cylinder bores.
What a great shotgun!! Heritage is putting out some fun stuff.
Choke can be felt by pushing a tight fitting cleaning rag through on a cleaning rod. You can even determine if one barrel is tighter than the other.
The return of the High Fructose Gang,I love it !!! A scout no doubt...keep 'em coming.
Dustin, It looks good but I wish it had double hammers and it would look great. Thank you very much. You and your family have a beautiful and blessed weekend.
Appreciate the video. Love your enthusiasm. Im jealous of you getting to shoot all those different guns. Keep it coming!!!!!!!
I’ve seen them come down to low 700’s o high 600s online. Still too high. But they are already coming down. Same old story. Trying to get people to bite on a new offering. If you really want one wait another 6 months. But if you Put that
side by side to the Stoeger supreme model coach gun. I would take that every time. Online price on that model around 500. I have the 20 gauge. Very happy with it. Beautiful piece. Will it last?I’m 65 now So yes probably. The Stoeger rugular coach gun is just north of 400 now.
I’ve seen them for $650 and will more than likely have one shortly
Fwiw the stock dimensions on the Stoeger coach guns are different between the 12 and 20.
The 20 has less drop at heel/comb and has your eye closer to the bore. The 12 has more drop. Not like antique gun drop, but on the samples I compared, it was at least a 1/2" difference.
This is worth mentioning cus shotgunning is supposed to be a fit and muscle memory thing. Switching between the two fits takes a little readjustment if you plan on doing any CAS style stuff.
Personally, I'd like to see some company come out with a 10 gauge double for 2 7/8" shells. Most of the doubles used by those riding shotgun on the Wells Fargo stages were furnished with 10 gauges by the company. Come on, guys, I've got a bag of brand-new 10 gauge paper shells sitting right here on my desk! MEC still makes the 600 in 10 gauge...
Hey Dustin my grandpa just recently got a Colt walker reproduction made by uberti and i got to say even tho it's a big gun, it's surprisingly wieldy and I'm really pleased with it
😢aw man.....didn't know it was a "Turkey" gun. That part is definitely a let down.
The big question is what makes it worth several hundred $ more than the well known Stoeger Coach Gun?
Great review as always. Thanks
I love the old side by side shotguns, but most out there are very old and I’ve been unsure if they would handle modern 12 gauge defense ammo. This is something I would want someday. This is a beautiful shotgun for sittin on the porch and yelling at trespassers and solicitors
Any double made after 1900 in the States will be able to handle modern ammo. The only problem you run into is trying to run 3" shells, which weren't invented at the time they were built, or in some cases, shooting slugs through a full choke.
A 1950-80s Savage 311 (which is probably the most common, used, American shotgun for sale) can handle any 2 3/4" shell that you offer it. Same with any of the other "nitro-proofed" shotguns made with actual steel barrels.
Just make sure of your sizing.
I've got some turkish pistols from Tisas and Girsan that are excellent quality.
Yes. Agree. They do put out some nice guns. I have the Sar p8l. It’s like a clone of the completion version of a cz75. Beautifully made and dead accurate.
Very nice video, gun looks fun to shoot!
Excellent video as usual. I would have liked to see the buckshot pattern and if it was slightly left and right like the 7.5
Would love to have a side by side in my collection. Hoping they also release one with a longer barrel. I think that shotguns from Turkey have really improved over the last decade. I have a 12ga TR Imports Silver Eagle Sporter SE which I believe is manufactured in Turkey and not only have I found it extremely reliable but also is beautifully made gun.
$647.99 at Buds Gun Shop. Not bad looking and nice for Cowboy Action shooting. I prefer however to make my own coach gun from older European side by sides which I can do a lot cheaper. Great video though, I thoroughly enjoyed it as always.
Where are you getting them? I haven't seen any decent enough European doubles that were also cheap enough to not feel bad about "ruining". Hell, I didn't even want to cut down a $300 Ithaca Hammerless cuz I thought it would eventually be worth something. With the Stoegers, you can thrash it and not feel bad about ruining something that is appreciating daily.
That being said, if I had a pile of Ithaca Hamerless or Stevens 311s sitting around....
Another question, aren't many of the English shotguns bored only for 2.5" shells? I know you said European but I wasn't sure if you were including them. I've seen used English doubles for under $400, but i wasn't keen on making my own shells for them.
Looking forward to seeing black powder shells through that coach gun. Hopefully you do get a Heritage lever action to review in the future.
The Harmons ammunition sticker killed me. All they are known for these day are expensive groceries!
Absolutely beautiful shotgun brother! Thumbs up video ~John
That’s a nice coach gun! 😊
At least the safety doesn't appear to auto-engage like my stoeger coach gun. I know it can be modded I just haven't gotten around to it yet
Great video! keep up the great work! I wonder what it would look like if you happened to fire two slugs out of the Heritage Badlander.
Have you tried the mini shells in it?
I’ve had a lot of problems with spot rust with Stoegers that I purchased. How does this hold up?
The lever actions by Heritage are the 92 platform.
Rossi from what Heritage told me on Friday
G-force is making a nice classic coach gun too. Double triggers and exposed hammers. Around 400 bucks at Rural King. Cheers!
I just left Rural King. I handled this heritage shotgun and a Stoeger coach gun. The quality the fit and finish just overall 😢feel is better.
Side by side comparison shootout between models under 1K would be cool for intro for SASS
What is this wonderful shotgun that you own from turkey I have had nothing but grief from stoeger. I am eyeing A Pieta coach. Your thoughts? Thanks
Can it shoot the mini shells?
Hey Dustin, I was wondering, does this side by side, like other newer hammered and hammerless units, reset the safety every time you break open the action?
I’m happy to say it does not.
@@GunsOfTheWest very cool!
It looks like a real nice piece but for the price you’re paying for this you could buy two 870’s, Mossberg 500’s, Winchester SXPs or panzer arms M-4’s.
I’d understand if this was a higher tier shotgun with ejectors and it came with an extra set of barrels for hunting. That would be well worth $800+ dollars. But for half the price I can get a AAA grade Stoeger that does the exact same thing and has a a huge aftermarket of spare parts.
A nice price but way too expensive for what it is. But that’s just me. Either way I enjoyed the video.
Glad you survived the bandit attack. Those Carbon bandit Are brutal. Keep your navy loaded while making videos!!
Even on a Black Friday Sale with a price of seven bills out the door, it just begs the question
"Are you guys at Heritage getting together with the guys at KelTec on the weekends to party? Is that where the price point came from?"
I just got a Pietta 1878 hammer coach. Although its a beautiful looking gun QC seems sketchy..or I’m just picky. There are uneven gaps where the barrels go into the monoblock. The forend lug and 2” of the underside rib was left unsoldered on one side, so I cleaned, scuffed, recleaned and jb welded that side. The owners manual does say contact Davide Pedersoli on page 4 though ;) I’ve only shot 4 rounds with it, so no idea how it’ll hold up.
Dustin, this is interesting. I saw the same online. Since they didn't mention, I have to assume it is a cylinder bore. Not judging, but for contrast I saw a dual hammer coach Rock Island (not sure of which factory they are buying from) in 12 ga, with threaded choke tube system for $485. Almost picked it up, but really have been looking for a 20 ga, which sends me more toward Stoeger. RI does not offer a 20 ga double, it appears.
Final note: I realized later here that the Badlander is very short, as with a true coach gun. That does make it more specifically tailored for the wide open bores.
These would do well to have a homebrew 'antiqued' finish job. But for the final price tag of around $800 seemingly everywhere, most folks would likely prefer to buy a CZ side-by-side with a much nicer finish and screw-in choke set.
Years ago, i did both barrels at the same time with my Stoeger Coach gun, with 12 gauge 3 inch magnum slugs. That was uncomfortable.
If it was around $400 I’d consider it, but for nearly a grand I’m out.
Great lookin gun though!
What's odd is that Taurus owns Heritage. Rossi had a very sweet coach gun offering, not too long ago. Why Heritage would go to Turkey instead of Brazil to have their doubles made is a bit of a head scratcher, especially since Taurus already owns the tooling to what was a very decent shotgun.
The choke size should be in the proof marks on the barrel flats , something similar to 12/70 then a number, in metric giving the measurement at the muzzle.
The safety doesn't engage on close. That's a huge win.
I agree!
That Fruitoes gangster didn't stand a chance 🤣😂🤣😂 ❤
Wow! That old buckshot did the job.
I just looked this up after checking one out in a local store
I expected a lower price coming from heritage. Hearing it’s from turkey drives home the point it absolutely needs to come down $300 or so.
Looks good on the rack from a distance but once in the hand stoegers are way nicer at a lower price point even
Dustin, I took the plunge!!!!!! I found this beauty from Prepper Gun Store for about $640.00 this week. I did have to scrounge around online and as far as I could determine, this was the best price I found anywhere. Lots of places were SOLD OUT at or near MSRP. I'm gonna have to sell off some gear to offset it, but I believe it'll be worth it! It'll be my first side by side, and even at that price it might seem expensive. But I've read a lot of comments here and elsewhere, and I think that those prices that get mentioned are pre-pandemic era pricing and availability. However we got here, inflation is REAL and I'm sure both the manufacturer and their industry cohorts want to make some bit of profit. I have other scatterguns and I don't need this one, but from what I've gathered, if I don't find a way to snap this up now, I'll regret it later. Once I get it to the range a few times, I'll pass along my observations. Thanks again for your content, especially this one!!!
Awesome! I think you’ll enjoy it. I’m very happy with this one and I plan to get out soon for another video, this time with slugs. Congrats on your new coach gun!
I’ll be waiting for your review
For being a Heritage arms it is pricey, most of us are on a budget. Though Heritage is none for value and not being expensive
Them old shells went off like fresh ammo straight from the factory! Must have been stored properly in a dry dark consistent temperature environment in a sealed container
Here's a quick way to check the choke with a simple dime.
If it's a cylinder bore, the dime will have a lot of room to spare and exit end of the barrel.
With improved cylinder choke the dime fits with a little room to spare.
With modified choke the dime just fits.
The dime will enter only a third of the way on a full choke.
This or a cz sharp tail. They’re both made in turkey, but what might be the difference
I liked Heritage as an option for "beer-budget" recreational firearms. At twice the price of my double-hammer JW-2000 coach gun, and pushing $200 more than a Stoeger, I don't entertain one of these.
However, if it is indeed built by the same maker of my TISAS 1911, I have no doubt it's a solid and rugged firearm.
Does it have a 3 inch chamber?
It does.
Does the safety automatically engage?
It does not.
I purchased a beautiful Stoeger 12 gauge coach gun for $590 Whats Heritage want for that shotgun?
How was the recoil of both barrels?
Double a single barrel.
It was a big push, but not too bad. Slugs would make it much worse.
nice
So Dustin, the Heritage shotgun is an extractor, not an ejector model, right?
Correct.
Thank you ,Dustin for your reply.
I remember when heritage made affordable firearms
It really surprised me that it does not reset the safety when you break it open to load, as seen around the 9 minute mark when you loaded it and then had to put the safety on. I really like that.
But yeah, the price... But then everything is going up. Still, it's approaching CZ territory. And CZ is well, CZ.
*plays House building music from rdr2 by rockstar games*
Quite a punch with both barrels ! Nice shotgun , thanks for showing.
No hammers ? 🤔 looking at a emf coach shotgun . Still nice gun . 🙏🙏🙏
At that price, I'll buy a Pietta coach gun. For around half that, I'll get Stoeger coach gun.
Easy way to gage chokes on 12 gauge. See if a dime drops down the front. If it does, it's IC or cylinder. Won't go in? Modified or full
They need too make one with exposed hammers if they don't already in my opinion
I believe they’re releasing one of those as well.
Stevens makes a single shot for under $200. It’s the only thing on the market in production that comes close to that, so as much as I hate that it’s made in China, there are simply no alternatives at the moment.
Heritage needs to fill the niche that the rough rider does: cheap, functional, simple, and mass produced. There is no place for another stupidly expensive shotgun when you can already get a pump action Mossberg for under $250, and a break action for barely over $150. This will not succeed unless Heritage remembers its chief demographic and redesigns it accordingly.
how did it pattern with the buckshot ?
My Weatherby SA-08 is a made in Turkey. I didn't buy so the fact it's made in Turkey is not at hand. I won it in a Friends of the NRA raffle helps at the Verdi, Nevada Cabellas. It's very nice;y made works great. I see no problems with it.
hmm doesn't seem to be much better if at all then a Stoeger sxs, and for the price point ! interesting non the less!
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Truly a shame about the lack of chokes. Otherwise, this could be a very useful shotgun. It would be great in heavy thickets for hunting game such as grouse, and would also be wonderful for carrying on a tractor when working fields.
With zero choke, it falls into the "interesting novelty" bucket. It's really a shame they didn't turn this into an actual hunting piece, as all it would have taken would have been a choke, preferably basic 3 tube screw ins; IC and mod for brushy cover, mod and full in open fields.
Its not that its from turkey... Its that its from tyrkey, and theyre asking 800 bucks for it.
The price point is ridiculous.
Good review. Regretfully, at the $630 that I see as the lowest price at the moment it's a hard pass.
24 inch double barrel most gauges $500 with tax made by real American company would be nice with 3inch Chamber😮❤️
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Nice shotgun, it looks like it has an ejector for the empty shells.
It has the typical extractor that pulls them out slightly, but not an ejector.
@GunsOfTheWest Thanks Dustin.
Good review. Very nice but way too expensive for a Turkish import. The lack of external hammers is a deal breaker for me.
I believe they’re also releasing a version that has them.
Marked on underside, maybe?
Love a side by side but that price point is way too much imo
turkey makes decent shotguns, i just wish they would produce them domestically.
The price is way overboard. Should be around $300. I can get a 20 gauge single for $120😊
Ok...just looked. The Chinese side by side century arms coach gun with exposed hammers (which I like) is running around $300 you could get two or three of em for the price of the heritage.. and the heritage is finished in ... road tar? while the cheaper ones are actually blued.
That Century gun hasn't been available in years. Everyone lists it but nobody stocks it. It's on permanent backorder, last I checked
@@RequisiteFunction after looking at the price of both guns I can see why. The same thing happened with the chinese 97 shotgun it was around $450 and then all of a sudden it was sold out everywhere
Tombstone tactical $643.91 seems agreeable if this actually works
2.99 for Ammo???? jeez the good Old days
Hey Dustin, this is Dennis. I would like to know I just want to choke on that side by side 12 gauge shotgun. What is the whole length of the shotgun itself? I’ve never seen one close up and I would like to get to know if heritage I would like to have the heritage address so I could maybe call them or write to them to see if I could get one of those and your other row hair with your rifle that you got The one that was I guess is the heritage like the 100 won the worst Winchester of the 1873 I’m all lien to Western stuff and I are used to shoot a lot but I don’t get to shoot anymore right now due to other certain circumstance, but I would love to meet you in person, if it ever comes to the point where I can I like your videos yesterday and you do Splaine a lot about the guns but I’ve never seen you in the modern day western pistols like the Pieta type guns with Remington and holsters. Is there a problem you referred the 1801s better than then today’s pianos maybe you could do a video on them One day thanks this is my comments to you. Also, I would like the address to the company that knows western clothes I mean I can make up some of that ain’t gonna help me a bit specially if I want to be a mountain man tight tomorrow, man mountain man I don’t have any clothes like that, thanks you have a good day. This is Dennis Fain signing off to you. Great day Dustin.