Sleep System Deep Dive Q&A - Shelters, Pads and Bags/Quilts: The Mindful Hunter Podcast EP 173
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Okay we’re gonna kick it old school with the podcast for a new series where I’ll do deep dive q&a’s on gear categories. Up first is Sleep Systems. Let me know what you want to see next!
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Great advice. Personally, my Bag or Quilt never leaves my shelter. I carry a light poncho liner on cooler hunts. Works great for glassing or just sitting around camp plus adds extra insulation to your sleep system.
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Jay, as per my email a while ago, boil time using a Toaks 250ml cup and lid with room temperature water on the Jetboil Stash was 2 minutes. Using the same Jetboil burner only (it's a separate burner) it was 4 minutes. Using a small alcohol stove (50 grams, plus fuel 60ml for 4-5 boils) is much longer, and fun (slows you down), and a great redundancy to pack.
Argali Rincon - ditched my Hilleberg Soulo. Can use floorless (although I use a tyvek ground sheet), or with the insert (great for bugs, and for keeping the dog at peace. Sold on silPoly, for the reasons you've said. The floor thickness on the insert is too light though, so use a tyvek ground sheet below.
Sleeping Pillow - The best I've found is the Sea to Summit Aeros Ultralight pilllow barely inflated. But, same as you side sleeper and kinda get annoyed with pillows. I've come up with a cool option. Ditch the pillow, I use a Swazi tee shirt (fleece), put my puffer jacket and puffer vest in and tie the sleeves. It works, it's large, bulky, and the fleece does not move on the sleeping pad. Job done.
Quilts - +1 for Revelation Quilts, have one for warmer season and one for colder. Always down. That's what a single big dry bag (Exo Mtn Gear do one for each bag size) is for. Packs down. Just ensure your Argali is pitched in "elevated mode" to stop/reduce condensation. Long sleeve merino top and leggings better than puffers for sleeping in. Wash your quilt everyday year and use Nikwax wash + Nikwax Repellant
Sleeping Pad - Thermarest Neo Air, had one for 6 years, hunting 3 seasons in NZ. I now pack an Exped foam pad, increases R rating by +1, but more than that, keeps the pad in position and is much more comfortable. Worth it as you age.
Tent Fabric - Hilleberg Kerlon is proprietary, 4 way stretch and another quality differentiator from MSR
Bivy v Tent - Amen
Quilts with Arm Holes - Amen
Always great info!
I’m going to go back and watch the arm hole sleeping bag part again just for the laugh. 🤣💪🏻
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A lot of good knowledge here, thanks Jay
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As far as a recommendation for future discussions, I have always been a fan of your approach to nutrition on long hunts and cook systems in the back country. I have taken quite a lot from your past food and nutrition advice and molded it to fit my dietary needs as a diabetic. I started using CBD oil last year and I found that it helped, somewhat with inflammation and muscle rejuvenation but worked extremely well in the evening by warming the body and allowing me to sleep more comfortably.
Gonna have to check out some CBD!
1 minute into this podcast, ive been consuming your content daily. Love the content and excited for this one, that being said.... cut out the first minute of this vid man 😂
Holy shit. This video has over 1000 views and no one has mentioned this 🤣🤣🤣 had no clue I left that in there
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I'm a true pnw guy.western Washington. With that said I always bring my Bigfoot burrito. Lol A Hennessey A Sym expedition hammock. 1.3 pounds,takes 2 min to set up. And a cheap 3 man dome. A north face 0 light weight mummy bag with an emergency bivy sack as a waterproof shell. I also have a good tarp I can use as a ranger diamond. All stuffed in a 4 strap waterproof bag as a pack. It's 60 liter and can be used as a water bucket/bladder if you need to pack water. Less than 250$ in total. From Alaska to Montana, Washington, and such, it works for me.
Great setup!
I’m probably in one of those areas where a floorless shelter won’t really be ideal down here in Arizona. With that said, I’m going to give it try just to see if it’s doable.
I’ve always been hesitant anytime there’s poisonous shit on the ground to run a floorless shelter.
this is great. i enjoyed the rant on the silly arm holed sleeping bag. "make you coffee like a man" is pure gold.
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The advantage of a tarp & bivy combination is that you can setup camp almost anywhere. You don’t need to find a 10’x10’ flat area that’s free of trees. All you need is a flat spot as big as your sleeping pad.
What tent are you setting up that is 10x10? My owyhee or Niak are almost the exact same footprint as a small tarp and bivy.
I love this ❤ great info and funny
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I'm a fan of an ultralight bivy in a floorless shelter. In addition to keeping the condensation off your quilt/bag, it also keeps bugs out, helps with drafts....which also bumps the temp rating of your system a bit, prevents you from rolling off your pad (if you have that problem), and maybe most importantly...keeps all your shit together. Not great if you're super claustrophobic though. Another great one Jay, keep it up!
Fair points for sure!
Great shit man, love the indepth breakdown of gear, should be a great mini series that will help ppl with gear choices 👌
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Thanks for a great deep dive, Jay! I own a Katabatic quilt, and it is stupid warm for its rating. However, I am not a fan of its attachment cords. They are finicky and not as effective as that offered by EE or UGQ quilts.
That’s good feedback. Appreciated.
Always learn something! Looking forward to the food segment for sure!
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Really appreciate your take on quilts. I was wondering if you ever heard Aron Snyder talk about them and why he doesn’t use one or think people should. My hunch is that he doesn’t think people take the time to utilize them properly, but I hadn’t heard his specific arguments. They seem like a great option and check a lot of boxes, particularly for side sleepers, but before investing, I have been trying to understand the pros and cons.
Quilts destroy sleeping bags across every dimension. Not sure why Snyder doesn’t recommend them. Haven’t heard his arguments.
Also I’ve got another video called 5 reasons quilts are better than sleeping bags that goes into more details.
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Saving for later cause I don’t have the time right now! (Commenting to help the algorithm)
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Killed is as usual man! I do have a question for you. So I understand that you use a down filled quilt. What type of synthetic are you looking for in a sleeping bag? (Ie. Cotton, polyester?) Thanks a bunch this video has been vary helpful!
I have both a down and synthetic quilt. My favourite type of insulation for a synthetic quilt is climashield Apex.
Awesome thanks man!!! Would that be the same as your outer layer for a jacket?
Can you list some of those brands you mentioned? I don’t know how to spell some of them and can’t find them. Anyways love your stuff big guy.
I’d have to go back and rewatch. I don’t keep notes
No worries man. Ive actuakky gone back and rewatched and figired most of them out. For some reason when you would say sea to summit i would picture it as one word. I thought it was spanish or something 🤣 sometimes i wonder how i’ve made it this far in life
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What are your thoughts on the rei helix and the new zenbivy sleeping pads? All are 4.8 r value and come in at 26,21 and 24 ounces for the regular wide. Considered top tier comfort by reviewers.
Haven’t run either.
@@MindfulHunter roger that if i get one I'll let ya know how it goes. Thanks for the reply.
You know I’ve been sheep hunting.
Sweet. Hope it went well.