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- Welcome to episode 11 of "Sarah My Story" book review series hosted by Shauna from The Vintage Read Show. In this 11th episode, Sarah struggles with the instruction given to her by "The Grey Men" in particular Mr Z! Sarah struggles with everything and is told by Prince Philip "Stiffen that lip old girl".
I will be reviewing Sarah Ferguson's book in detail every Monday!
See you in the comments!
Shauna x
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Sarah sniping about “landed gentry” and Sloan rangers when she’s from the same class is rich.
Subtle distinctions.Sarah's father was aspirational.Hence her family ran with the same crowd.
I think we can be sympathetic for Sarah and the struggles she faced, but not let that be an excuse for her bad behavior and poor choices later on.
Fergie sounds incredibly entitled.
I don’t think Harry has ever read a book.
😂
Or that he can 🤔
Must have been an audio.
Maybe an "Archie" comic book? If you are unfamiliar, "Archie" was, maybe still is, a comic book from the U.S.
He can barely read a speech so I doubt it too
Sarah seems to be more American than British in ways ( and I’m saying this as an American ), wanting the freedom to do as she pleases , not understanding that her role was actually a job and there were rules and protocol to follow. This definitely was seen in the way MM acted during her short tenure as a working royal.
Great observation 😊💗
So spot on Shauna. I have never been keen on Fergie but you opened my eyes at her selfishness. The money appeared to go to her head and definitely shades of megsie.
Veruca Salt comes to mind.
At the beginning, Diana did wear lots of bows and frills. Then her style evolved to be more sleek and streamlined
I agree that Diana did wear bows and frills in the beginning, but she was very young and as she matured so did her style. Fergie was much older when she married Andrew.
Diana was 19 years old at the beginning of her association with the BRF.........
She absolutely DID. I'm not sure how Vintage Read missed that ! For Heaven's sake look at the Wedding dress (which Diana rolled her eyes over later) - the entire panoply of lace, ribbons, bows, ruffles, and a 35 foot train, enormous puffed sleeves.)
@@suzanking5625I just said the same thing! Great minds think alike!😊
I did see Dianna’s wedding gown when it was on tour , I was hoping it looked better than it photographed , but alas it possibly was even more disappointing up close . I also saw her later gowns , when they were on tour before they were auditioned for charity, and they were stunning , even better than they photographed. Lovely memories of those gowns .
I think Me again Markle cottoned on pretty quickly that there isn’t much money in the kitty for the second born’s wife. I think she probably twigged even before she was married (to Harry) and set about planning her exit strategy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she used Sarah’s book for research as well as reading the books about Diana.
As for Sarah, she was just so incredibly spoilt ( sounds like someone else we know 🤔)
Not spoiled...used to more support, less condemnation and men with more money.
After revisiting Sarah My Story with you, Shauna, I have come to the realization that Andrew had been trained from childhood that his role in the family was to support his mother, the Queen. It makes perfect sense to me now why he failed to support Fergie who was acting irresponsibly in trying to satisfy her own needs over duty to the crown. In contrast, Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh, understands the assignment and carries out her duty to crown and country effectively while still managing to raise a beautiful family and maintaining a loving relationship with Prince Edward.
yes major difference in maturity, emotional health, between Sophie and those others.
@@darlaswann9500 And we know age and maturity are two different things. William and Catherine married younger than Harry & Meghan and the latter two are still acting like jealous babies. Although I still believe Harry stopped mentally aging at age 8 and still acts that way. He sulks all the time and looks miserable.
Diana wore frills and bows on her wedding day! 😂
True! I forgot about that! 😂💗
😂 huge bows!
How could anyone forget that hideous wedding dress?
@@vickidickinson2888 I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one who thought so. I detested it.
It was even worse up close . I got to see it when it was on display in Toronto . How ever her later gowns , that were on tour before they were auctioned for charity, where even more stunning than they photographed.
When Diana was a Sloane girl Diana did wear bows at the neck and frilly collars Shauna. I am old enough to remember. God bless you Shauna love listening to you always. 🙏🙏
Yes, there are a lot of photos of Diana looking very out of date with her frilly bows and puffy sleeves.
Yes, I remember her wearing some atrocious frills to Ascot in the early years of their marriage.
I remember also!
Yes. You only have to look at Diana's wedding dress if you want frills and bows. The sleeker look came later on, as she evolved and became more sophisticated and less 'sloaney'.
Shauna needs to look at the type of clothes Princess Diana was wearing in the early nineteen eighties. There was some horrors in terms of an excess of frills, bows and flounces. But it was the early eighties!
Well, Henry’s ghostwriter got paid a million bucks. I’m sure he read all the royal books available. Not the trashy one, so yes. I’d love to have access to Markles storyboard, on how to attack the monarchy for maximum impact. Unfortunately, she didn’t realize how popular the Queen and others in the royal family were. Such a sad clown.
Oh Shauna….what a fabulous review of this chapter. You make it so enjoyable to watch and listen to as you passionately display your insight and opinion on SF’s written words. I laughed and smiled throughout and also shared your disdain for her self centred, self serving indulgences. Thank you….as ever ❤
Oh thank you! That’s lovely x
I don't think prince philip would have said no, if sarah wanted to live normal navy wife life afterall Queen also lived with him.
Philip and all courtiers knew her character by now and were afraid, if she started having affairs with navel officers there, and embarrass Andrew and monarchy by her behavior.
Sarah was embarrassing and demanding, I don't think she could've lived like normal navy house wife.
Yes. I think the reason Prince Philip disliked her so much was because she completely lacked self discipline, whereas he himself was the epitome of both discipline and moderation. And he never, ever, whinged publicly about his own difficulties. He got on with finding practical solutions and making the best of things, and appreciating his many blessings. He probably felt contempt for Sarah's constant whining, self indulgence and complete lack of self awareness.
Sarah knew what she was doing, she just objected to being called out.. To be kind, I must say that being let down by one's husband is the pits.
Diana wore 'bows' and super opulence with her wedding gown. Also big hair and shoulder pads a la 1980s.
When you write your memoir, you manage the information about yourself. When you refuse to listen to advice, it has a way of coming back and biting you. Rules are your guide to managing a tricky situation; otherwise, you continue to self-sabotage.
Unless it’s a small family business, in which corporation can you speak to the CEO or senior executives directly? You have to call their assistant and set up a meeting at their convenience. If they’re even willing to take the meeting! Their assistant will inquire as to the nature of the request and may direct you elsewhere to get help. The reality is that the CEO has direct reports who are supposed to deal with issues and the only time someone should go directly to the top exec is if there is a serious issue that is illegal or unethical that could hurt someone or the business and the matter hasn’t been addressed. You normally would go to your supervisor or HR. It amazes me that Sarah or Markle think senior royals are available on demand. It seems they overestimated their importance and misunderstood the distinction between personal and professional relationships.
I don't think Andrew wanted Fergie around because I believe he was doing his own thing so to speak. Harry sounds suspiciously like Andrew. Both of them thinking that they can do whatever they want because they're spoiled brats who were able to do whatever they want without any recourse!😮😂
It shows how mindful POW is when he took a long time with Catherine to make sure she would be able to handle all that "stuff" that Diana, Fergie and Megs could not. Good job, Prince William!
No wife should have to handle that INFIDELITY "STUFF". Princess Catherine said NO and look what happened?
@@jmac3482 Shauna said nothing about infidelity. By "stuff" I was referring to what was actually talked about in this video, staying on track as I like to do. Vacations, lavish parties, over spending, not listening to the courtiers, acting like a child when you don't like your job duties, etc. In fact, Diana also shares that with Megsy and Sarah. Hmm, seems Ann, Sophie, & Catherine are just made of different stuff that the other three gals.
@@darlaswann9500 I don't follow anyone', I follow the evidence. Get on track.
@@jmac3482 huh? bot?
@@darlaswann9500 What, now I have to loke up "bot" and see what that means. I speak my mind and people call me names and I don't know what the names mean. Still learning the lingo. Bot, bot, bot now whatsa bot?
I can't imagine Sarah putting up with standard Navy quarters.....considering her other complaints!
Diana was a bit frilly in her early days, it took a few years for her to find her classic style.
I mentioned this before but Hoorays Henriettas (loud especially skiing types who lack etiquette but have some money) hate Sloane Rangers (from old money, silent, statuesque, slim think Diana) because there is a massive divide in the respect they receive. Go to any posh restaurant in London and on one side will be a classic English rose wearing real pearls speaking in hushed tones to a girl friend and in the other a women often with a man wearing mustard cord trousers will be booming away talking about their last a m a z I n g ski trip or shooting weekend... fascinating to watch.. I think you know who I believe Fergie represents.
WHAT? is a Sloane Ranger???
@jmac3482
It was the 80s Influencer without access to social media. The movers & shakers of the day who mostly came from ancient money.
@@jmac3482 the title was used by Peter York in the 80s. He wrote The Official Sloane Ranger Diary (with Diana on the front) Sloane St is a famous street off Knightbridge and in the 80s frequented by smart rich ladies in their pearl necklaces whose one goal was to find a man with a title and 'must have land'. They were daughters of Earls or Dukes and often failed at school so after 6mth at a Swiss finishing school they could cook and do a 'little' typing. Nothing too stressful mine you. They were taught manners and grace to help then bag their man unlike the Hooray set which was Fergie's world at the time
I agree with you about Sarah having similar traits to MM .👍👏🥰
"Sarah" didn't realize that it was not PERSONAL. Everything was for the good of the firm. She was obviously confused as to why she had to go 6 months or so without the "company" of a man while Andrew was away. That is what is called marriage. That is what happens when you take VOWS. She honestly could not comprehend that. That kind of stupidity sickens me. Totally obtuse. An embarrassment!!!
Yes it was a little weird!
Sarah never fit in as ‘royal’ in my opinion. I remember her rushing across the street to accept some flowers as she left the hospital after giving birth , slipping and almost falling. She never had any of the grace I would like to associate with royalty .
She really was often clumsy…. Yikes
@sue8344 Sarah always reminded me of an excitable golden retriever puppy who was quick to look for a bit of fun while breaking fragile items in her pathway.
@@lisalivingston6473 So right!
I’d hardly call a lack of physical grace unroyal. People fall down.
@@TableForOne1976LOL! Queen Elizabeth may have fallen down in her lifetime, but we never saw it. There lies the difference.
When Diana was younger she did wear the frills & some bows. As she matured she started doing the more stream lined outfits. Diana also had the connections to dress better & I’m guessing, would seek out & take fashion advise from those in the know.
She also had the more model type figure. Poor old Sarah couldn’t keep up , and a few times Diana told her to wear things that really didn’t suit her. Bit of sabotage there?? If they’d had stylists to help her out until she found her own style it might not have been so bad. She did/ does still have incredibly beautiful hair.
The Mountbatten Windsors did live together as a naval officer and his wife after Charles was born. Philip also did a long stint away with his friends, so maybe he didn't understand why a married couple would want to be together. And maybe Andrew didn't want the work of a wife around all the time. He never seemed like an attentive husband.
Queen Elizabeth lived with prince philip before and after birth of Charles and Anne.
1st 5 years of their marriage Queen only lived 18 months away from each other.
Queen was in uk just when she was more than 3 moths pregnant and went back to Malta when children were 3 moths old.
Both philip and Queen many times have said that, their time in Malta was the best time of their life.
So philip clearly understand that why married couple would wants to live together.
I don't think philip would have said no, if Fergie wasn't so obnoxious and embarrassing.
By then everybody knew her character.
May be philip was afraid that Fergie would start having affairs with navel officers there, or embarrasse monarchy and Andrew with her obnoxious and demanding behaviour.
And Andrew didn't even ask 1 time
That long stint was of just 6 months, he wasn't with his friends.
He was on official duty.
He was on commonwealth tour and he was chife guest for opening of Australian Olympic.
That was just one long distance between them after she became and otherwise he always companied her on her all duties and spend most of their time together.
Thoroughly enjoyed this chapter review, done with such class. I think both Andrew and Sarah were both a really immature, self indulgent couple. The more you share with us the stronger that comes across to me. Thankyou for a great night. I did enjoy it.❤️🌻
Canadians say zed as well. No zee for us lol. Love this video. Always enjoyable. 👍🏻🇨🇦
I remember seeing Diana in big blouses with bows. Early 1980's had some dreadful fashion.
and ridiculous little hats and collars.....😖 But with D's figure it didn't matter.
Yes, some were dreadful...
I saw Diana's Wedding Dress it was Horrible. Is that the Fashion of the Eighties. 🤢🤢
@@micheletorimaru9348It was indeed. I had an exact copy of one of Diana’s maternity dresses, navy blue, loose but with fitted sleeves, big square white collar with a lace edge. I wore it first for the formal opening of our Pre School, being the Secretary I had my photo in the Newspapers with the minister of Education and the local MP. I loved that dress. Gosh that WAS a long time ago, 1989-1990. 😂😂
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Everything about the 80s was BIG. Big hair. Too much makeup. The brightest colors. Take a look at Madonna & Cindy Lauper's clothes from that time & you'll get the gist.
Have throughly enjoyed these "book club discussions" about Sarah's book each week !!!!! Well done. Thank you........
Hi there Shauna! Loved your Snarky Snippet this week!!! Hilarious😳😳😳🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑😴😘😘😘😘😀😀😀😀
Yay! Thank you!
I vaguely recall Sarah being on the Oprah show many years ago. It was after she and Andrew had separated. She was basically complaining about having to earn an income because of her high debt load and her reduced circumstances. I recall her going on about living in a cottage (provided for her and her two daughters). I specifically recall Sarah saying, "Yes, a cottage! Can you imagine, the Queen's grandchildren living in a cottage!" The audience and viewers were shown pictures of said cottage. I recall thinking, good lord what is she complaining about. I'd love to have that "cottage" for a home.
Oprah, who was still a decent journalist at that time, called Sarah out; pointed out her victim/martyr mentality and her flawed relationship with money. To Oprah's credit she offered to help Sarah find some balance - by working on herself, putting her in touch with professionals. Sarah would return to the Oprah show a few times after that.
I've not be particularly fond of Sarah; never really disliked her either. At times I have found her amusing, kind-hearted, generous and yet peevish. I've always felt there was something lacking in her upbringing and, perhaps, her own character. When she was young she was very immature and naive. Her book is providing some insight for all this; her perspective of course. Well, maybe I'll buy her book after all. but not until Shauna has completed her book review. 🙂
Aaah yet another Meghan correlation.. Oprah . Wish she had called that one out
I have always liked fergie, the late queen was very fond of her and they stayed friends until the queen passed away
She's the only one who ever said or is saying that line though. Never heard of any royal reporter or other royals backing that up!
What would be more likely is that the late Queen is always gracious and gives importance to the people around her. She would've been gracious to a foreign despot, as the monarch and head of state of UK and the Commonwealth.
Fergie seem to leave the high life but had no money of her own but she like the spend other people.
Apparently! 😂
I remember Diana's frills and bows initial dress style. Rather ornamental and "old" for her. Further on she indeed became very streamlined. Also the fashion changed significantly from the 80s to the 90s 👠👒👗
A thought about Sarah wanting an extra half hour with a Down's syndrome child. I never dealt with anything like that, but I was working for a bookstore in the late 1980s when a Secret Service detail arrived and explained that George Bush was considering shopping at our store. They went through the place looking for security concerns etc and deciding which members of staff might be acceptable to meet Mr Bush. But in the end, it didn't happen because Mr Bush needed to make a different appointment or whatever it was, and there wouldn't be enough time to browse. And we were disappointed a bit (like him or not, this was a President), but we also understood, because security is a big thing for these people.
I have a different opinion to the one generally held on the topic of the late Princess Diana’s dress. She embodied the vision of the fairytale princess. Her height and slim build enabled her to carry the large sleeves and ballgown skirt and that lace was just opulent and dreamy. The fabric crumpled too easily but her tiara glittered above the cloud of tulle so who cares about glass coach rumples? And that waterfall ivory and white bouquet! No one else in the world had worn a dress or carried flowers styled like that. It was unique and did the job to stand out in the prestigious St Paul’s location. The dress also reflected the style of that period and her age. Now we’ve seen elements of other royal dresses in the mainstream before and except for Princess Anne and those long medieval sleeves, none had a striking appearance. That being said, Catherine, Princess of Wales was as beautiful but in an elegant and serene way. Her dress wasn’t as dramatic as Diana’s but there was no call for it. Catherine and William were together for years whereas Diana was the beautiful aristocrat who had stolen the heart of Britain’s prince and heir to the throne after a long search for Ms. Right. Oh the romance of it all! That wedding was an event for the ages and would be diminished by something streamlined. She had the budget, build and desire to wear that gown and did so magnificently. I recognize the dress looks like it’s wearing her by today’s standards but fashion is mercurial and those big sleeves are back :-)
Nice comment. I rather enjoyed the big meringue heaped with cream look! One for the ages whichever way one looks at it 😄
I was thinking something similar. I'm a year younger than Diana and had many dresses and blouses with big bows, lace overlays, and ruffles. Until of course big shoulder pads and tailored fit came into style.
I watched the wedding live from America and really loved the dress when I first saw it. So opulent and she was beautiful. It did fit the times. Diana later said she would choose a different dress if she could go back in time but it was what it was.
I loved Diana’s dress, if was very much of its time. Her wedding shoes were so beautiful, worth looking up if you haven’t seen them.
@@missyandsyd123 Ah yes, almond toe and embroidered and beaded with a C and D if I recall correctly.
❤ so loving this and looking forward to the next chapter, thank you ❤
Diana bows and frills, can I say “wedding dress” cream puff that wore her.
I did not care for Diana's wedding dress, but she did have the height to carry it!
Early on Diana did wear frilly bows and stuff. They were horrible.
Yep look at some of the stuff she wore out to Oz & NZ tour
Yes I remember her nearly falling, and Andrew in fact, caught her and stopped her from ending up on the road. The Queen spent time with Prince Philip when they first married and he was still in the navy, and loved being a wife in Malta. So I’m surprised they stopped her joining Andrew.
The fact that Catherine was able to live a quiet life in Wales with William after they married perhaps shows that the RF learned several painful lessons from the Diana /Fergie era. Could this also be why they were more relaxed ( initially ) regarding the Sussexes ?
I think the RF was put off almost immediately with Harry n his wife - i believe she lied and said she was pregnant ( hence the quickie wedding) then of course - miscarriage ! I think they were all trying to figure out how to deal with them without coming off rude …. What a nightmare!
@@Wildflowers516 Their hands were tied because of possibly being accused of racism .
Catherine simply has the humble and stable character of the late Queen. Charles and Diana had their chance of living a quiet country life after their wedding too, but it was Diana who hated the quiet country life and chafed at the bits until she's back in London and the high street shops. 😜
@@ongjanette I recently saw a clip where Catherine was compared to the late Queen Mother (btw, Harry’s wife was again compared to Wallis, who also hated her sister in law ). Anyway , I wonder if Charles sees in Catherine the things he loved about his grandmother , helping to make her his ‘beloved daughter in law.’
Frills and bows….take a second look at Diana’s wedding dress! Yikes 😬
True 😂
Oh gosh the dress was AWFUL 😮
And some of her maternity dresses😬
I read this book when it came out and my final viewpoint was that Fergie was entitled and she took virtually no responsibility for the consequences of her actions.
Rich people who are so diluted that they don’t know they’re rich. She lacks self awareness.
You are priceless, thanks.
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It's weird that the Queen and Philip said she couldn't join Andrew at his base even part time because the Queen spent time in Malta when Philip was stationed there. Maybe Sarah is leaving out part of the story. Is this why Rachel said she was Maltese because of the royal connection?
Diana wore bows and frills in the early days, starting with her wedding dress.
When Diana was pregnant with Harry she was forever in frills and bows etc etc, I know because I was pregnant at the same time and I am NOT a frills and bow person, and could never find anything to wear in the shops. I had to go out a lot at evening with that job and was desperate for clothes that did not make me look like a walking granny’s sofa.
Days since a post from you Shauna!! Thought I'd tell you how missed you are,... Yet you did warn us, thank you. Also, and even more importantly, we are sure that you're very hard at work doing something marvelous, talented and special. Most probably along the investigative line with bucket loads of research. Your unique skills are a part of our lives now!! Xx
In her visit to Canada, while pregnant, I was absolutely horrified by what Diana wore. IMO, SOME of what Sarah said about her style during the early 80's was correct. Yes, yes, big hats, a most unattractive hair style and some bows ( not on the butt, of course) and shapeless maternity wear. However, Diana, as she became more confident in her role, found a style that suited her figure and beautiful face and public personality. I loved her shorter more sleek hairdo, those fabulous suits and outstanding evening wear.
Good evening Shauna have missed a couple lately - still don't like Sarah.
Agree!
Yes, Shauna, I see your point. I've always liked Fergie. I always thought she had a good heart so I excused a lot of her behavior as just being slapdash. But I see now that she was very immature and selfish in her actions. I blame her for that, but I also blame her selfish mother who chose her own happiness over the wellbeing of her daughters and husband. The old fashioned upper class British characterization of being raised by strict nannies doesn't sound so wrong now, when you look at the end result of overindulged children who never grow up. Also, I think the Queen was a good enough Christian that she could accept people as they were, warts and all, and still love the person, and I think she was that way with Sarah. ..,I really miss Queen Elizabeth!!!
Yes! You make some great points. 😊🤗
Diana did wear frills! Take a good look at her wedding dress! Wow 🤩. And she was dowdy at first as well. It was about two years into her marriage that she must have gotten a stylist
Prince Phillip probably discouraged Sarah from living on the base as a military wife knowing she would want special privileges and possibly bring negative press to the Royal family and affect Andrew’s career. (Irony at its best!)
In the beginning Diana did wear bows and frills, but like everyone she found her style as time went on and she dressed very elegantly, but remember Diana was only 19 when she first arrived on the royal scene.
I remember reading this years ago & thought why couldn’t she just be happy & content with what she had, we nearly all work with someone we don’t like, she overplayed her hand & thought Diana would stand shoulder to shoulder with her but she didn’t. Like your take on this, many thanks xx
I appreciate your chats. On my way to work in Virginia, makes the drive go fast.
Hi Shauna. Oh my goodness yes! Diana was known for her frills and bows. The Shy Di look and then for several years when married during the mid 80s style. Big time! It took a few years before she gained confidence and learned how to dress more streamlined with the advice of designers recommended to her by the Vogue Editor at the time. There is an old program on youtube where they discuss her fashion and how she matured into a more sleek look. Power dressing. Poor Fergie. Like many of us, the big bows, the polkadots, and frills just did not flatter her. And Princess Diana could wear a burlap sack!
There is one photo I distinctly recall maybe it was Royal Ascot, in the mid 80s where Fergie and Diana were both pictured walking together in bright dresses with a great big bow on their butts! 😁
Thinking back now from 1981 to 1997, we didn’t have Diana for long. Seems like a short time now. But what an impact she had! And somehow Sarah has hung in there. I agree with many other people who know Sarah. She gets herself into trouble. But there’s just something about likeable about her. As long as you’re not staff, I guess! ha ha
The system of communication, where members of the RF had to go through staff, struck me as wrong, but then I remembered this was before cell phones and texting. I know Charles still does not carry a phone, and that is his choice and comfort zone. Nowadays, I imagine the lesser royals bypass the grey suits for personal family matters, making life less stressful. I get how Sarah would have been chafing under that system. A bureaucracy that huge, conducting your entire life would be hugely aggravating.
You'd basically be living within the business. I can see how that would chafe Markle's sensibilities...not that I'm taking up for her. If she'd remained a girlfriend for a few years, she might've backed off as Harry's former girlfriends did.
On the other hand, she was Harry's way out. It's all quite fascinating actually.
I remember Dianna wearing frills and bows circa 1981-2. It was the fashion then - puffy sleeves etc. The revealing black dress she wore one night while engaged to Prince Charles was also a bit ‘fluffy’. And don’t forget her wedding dress. The streamlined look came along later.
I love you! These book reviews are wonderful. The bonus is you make me laugh too. I love that you number the episodes too. Keep up the good work. I just hope the Duchess doesn't go to hell in a hand basket before the book ends. 😉
Read The Kings Counsellor Sir Tommy Lascells diary’s ..a good view of the palace and how it runs…back then
I will thanks x
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Ooo...future review!?
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Aghhh…I have not been able to listen to you for nine days…..I had Shauna withdrawal. Now I am having the pleasure of catching up listening to several shows…. One after the other ❤️
Thanks for listening! 😊💕🙌
unless Meghan was intimate with someone that was from Nigeria,she’s never had any Nigerian in her.😂 (of subject,but funny)
It's only funny when read for the first time.
Maybe it’s time for a review of how they integrate new spouses into the family. The only one who was successfully integrated was Catherine and she had a very lengthy courtship which must have given her time to get used to how things work. Diana, Fergie and certainly Megain all rebelled to the cost of everyone. Now Catherine was the only one with a stable family life. That obviously helped as she knew the world did not revolve around her. Interesting.
There's Sophie, Duchess of Edinburgh. She remained under the radar and quietly supported the late Queen, her husband and raised their children to be humble and not look for entitlements even if they're born royal. Even willing to forego royal titles, just like Princess Anne did with her children. Like all marriages, it's usually not about how the in-laws should adjust to the new couple, it's down to the individual character and commitment of the couple to be integrated. Or at least that's my opinion.
The entitlement is killing me! I don't like her at all. Fergie should have been allowed/forced to live on a Naval base for years with only Andrew's Navy wage to cover all of her needs, wants, desires, hopes and dreams. Maybe then her daughter Beatrice would not be known for calling British Airways "Our airline". Also, Prince Phillip's reference to the Mountbatten's endurance of Royal Navy life is funny considering Edwina was having several affairs. Yes, Shauna, please keep sharing your own Aussie/Brit language with us! I love being able to add words like "codswallop" to my diction to baffle my friends and family.
I got a chuckle at the Mountbatten reference too. Edwina was swanning the world with any man who looked her way. Surely Prince Phillip knew that?
Fergie made the same mistake the Dime Store Duchess made, thinking a 2nd son Prince must be loaded. Andrew only had his naval salary to keep his family. His mother may have given him an allowance but there was not the sort of money that Diana had access to (Duchy of Cornwall income) to give her that lifestyle. The Queen Mother was as bad, when she died she had something like a £4M overdraft at Coutts which the queen paid off.
I do believe that Prince Philip was a very good judge of character.
Great review, Shauna. Can’t wait til the next chapter 😊
Andrew probably didn't want her under his feet, he didn't want his bachelor lifestyle on base to be compromised.
I didn’t think of that angle!
The more I hear Fergies account of her life, the less I like her. How can people spend money so mercilessly, when there are so many, sick, homeless, and hungry people in the world.
Sarah’s memoir is geared to a US audience that doesn’t understand the role of the royal family. And not by accident, the US audience accounted for most of her money made.
In the early days Diana wore lots of frilly neck shirts and dresses and the same with bows around the neck and big bows on the hat 😅
And as for Andrew, he was probably having a very merry time away. I always felt so sorry for Sarah that Andrew was never there for most of the marriage.
❤the second that Rachel Ragland stated that Fergie came rushing out to be the welcoming party for the very first time Rachel met the Queen ...told me that 1) Fergie had never left the palace as such..just hidden until debts sorted 😂and 2) Fergie definitely was being named as Rachel and Henrys palace family bestie😂.by Rachel herself. Deliberate name drops is textbook narc shifting blame of what you don't already know that they're guilty of. When Rachel mentions Fergie greeting her, she had just said that they were discussing why does any of them need to curtsy to his granny. Bla bla bla. My guess is that was setting Fergie up for a potential blame of not showing Rachel the curtsy or praising Fergie for trying to teach her...sucking up. Narcs way of giving people a purpose for their benefits.
Perhaps the Queen knew about the Andrew Yacht history (insert allegedly 😂here), and so did Fergie....so Fergie placed herself as the helpful aunt..to watch Rachel...thats my guess of why Fergie bounced out the palace door to meet Henry's new girlfriend...or had they already met...hmmmm😊
All interesting thoughts! Your comment made me think…🤗
I find it quite significant that it is most often if not always only the disgruntled and ousted ex-members of the royal family who complain about those grey man in suits. I guess the more troublesome someone was and the more stupid things they did, the more attention and micro-mangement they would get which then in turn would make them feel monitored and annoyed, so that they then would throw an even bigger toddler tantrum 😅🤦♀
Poor Sarah, poor me, dealing with courtiers swollen with self importance. That’s rich, coming from a woman swollen with …self importance. 😂 ps… a younger Diana wore cute collars & bows. (Dating myself)
I’m trying to imagine a woman complaining about not having enough money to indulge the luxurious lifestyle she felt entitled to but couldn’t afford snuggling into base housing. As a “Navy wife” of a US surface warfare officer, I can say we weren’t a “luxurious lifestyle”-living bunch.
Have you forgotten Diana's wedding gown? Plenty of bows and frills on that! Not to mention wrinkled as all get out. LOL!
She was "indulged," in my not-so-humble opinion, to avoid the hissy fits one expects of a two year old, not a woman.
I doubt Sarah would have, or even intended to, live the life of a Naval Officer's wife. It seems to me, she was/is incapable of any thought other than a good time. It is likely Andrew knew it wouldn't work, so let his parents take the blame for her not being with him. Andrew is, in my opinion, no prize...or a booby prize, at best.
I saw Fergie on Oprah many years ago. Much was made of the friendship between them. Sarah did not do the RF any favour with her descriptions of her Royal life, really trivialising their behaviour etc. Oprah made a comment along the lines that “it’s not all about you Sarah”. I felt she took joy at putting Sarah in her place. Looking back it’s a real insight into the Megan/Oprah interview . I believe Oprah took great joy in taking the Royal Family down.
I think the Royal Family expected the girls that married into the Royal Family to be from supportive, cohesive families. Instead recently the brides have been from shattered homes who suffer the psychological consequences of that. Catherine is mentally strong because she comes from a United family. Don't know what the answer is.
Diana wore frills in the beginning - it was the fashion at the time but the streamlining took over as her confidence in her work grew and she dressed in a more business like manner...
Hi Shauna the late Diana wore bows and frills early on check out some pictures some were pretty some were ghastly, I always thought Prince Phillip said “you work for the monarchy the monarchy doesn’t work for you” it seems this quote actually came from the late Queen she apparently said it to Harry if this is true what a wise woman the late Queen was I can imagine Harry relaying this to Meghan no wonder she bolted.
Diana's style/fashion sense evolved over time... Her wedding dress was all ruffles and frills. But Diana was lucky because she was tall, slim, and had loads of money of her own (beyond what the Prince of Wales had). But sadly Diana was not a "healthy" woman. Sarah thought she should live like an aristocrat from a bygone era, but she lived like a lottery winner. After leaving the RF Sarah appeared on a daytime television programme, and turned up with an entourage of 11 people who all needed lunch - not the standard sandwich, fruit, non-alcoholic beverages and a cookie type of lunch. Her entourage gained the nickname ‘Fergie’s Flying Circus’.” Sounds like another pair we know of at present!
Interesting!
Next week we meet the “Soe Tucker” 😂😂😆
I do think any of the quick to marry marriages into the RF might be doomed to fail. They get a big head and think it’s all about themselves. Whereas Sophie dated Edward for around 6 years - and they still had issues w both wanting outside careers - but I think you know by then that it’s not about you. It’s about number one. And of course we all know that William and Catherine dated for a decade. I think it takes time to understand that the family you’re marrying into. It’s not just a marriage. You’re also marrying an institution, and you’re not the star though Stardust granted to you through marriage.
Also, this is all prior to the Good Friday Agreement and the IRA was still a massive issue.
Love your recapping ❤❤looking forward to the next one 😊
I'm the same age as Diana would have been now. She definitely wore bows. Even her pumps had little bows on the back of the heel. They were called Lady Di pumps. We all copied her and wore those pumps 😂 Her maternity dresses had frilly big necklines as well. A lot of her evening dresses had big, gathered frilled hemlines. Completely normal in the early 80s.
Well yeah that seems to be the pattern. The family talks through courtiers . That’s because the Queen mother hated unpleasantness , the Queen didn’t like confrontation either & could be cryptic . How much Charles & William are changing this hard to say .
Shauna, Diana for the first 2 or 3 years did wear frills. In fact she looked her best after the separation and divorce when she became more svelte.
12:03 of course Diana was into bows and frills. I copied her style down to the hairstyle
Diana dressed very frilly at the early stages of her marriage
Again, thank you for a lovely analysis, much enjoyed, Cheers!
all the gripes re time management from the courtiers surely would apply to large corporations? I don't suppose a middle manager of Ford or Google can just pick up the phone and talk directly to the CEO. If the CEO or the Sovereign wanted to talk to you they would give you their private number.
Hi Shauna, love your delightful sense of humor and how you love a good laugh or (giggle) as I’ve heard you describe it. 😊
Oh thank you!
Why does this sound so much like another unfortunate choice of character????
Indeed. Harry didn't marry his mother,but, his aunt.