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One ring has been a problem since its release
Thanks nicol bolas
Even before, really. As soon as we saw its ability.
I'm still waiting for it to get restricted to 1 of's, which it should've been printed as
The one rings problem originated in design. Had the burden counters been placed on player and not on the one ring itself it wouldn't matter if you played a new copy as you wouldn't reset those counters which would make it a much more dangerous card to utilize.. because after 3 activations moving into the 4th you're looking at 6 life lost, add in a few fetch/shocks you're dangerously close to dead. I dunno that's my take anyways.
Or if the card had a line of text on it saying it could only be played as one of in every deck would fix the rest problem and would be flavorful
Thats a pretty good solution
@CFC6788-gs2rl pokemon has interesting design choices in that regard. They have card types which you can only play one of per turn and other card types that there can only be 1-2 copies of in your deck (or even just 1-2 total)
@@CFC6788-gs2rloooh, yeah, i am not opposed to the player getting the counters idea but i love that this is also lore appropriate. It is the *One* ring after all
@@CFC6788-gs2rl unfortunately though that would break the mechanics or the overall rules of constructed MTG .. where it says a card can have a max of 4 copies unless explicitly printed on the card, yes they could errata the card but then you would have hundreds of thousands of cards out there without the new rules of ONLY ONE. but yes I do totally agree with you. That's how it should've been printed. But then people would only want 1 copy and that's not good for wizards bottom line where they want everyone buying 4 of's.
I think the one ring should have given the player itself the burden counters. Once you get corrupted by the ring, that never goes away.
That would've made it a terrible card, though. Is there no happy medium?
@@TheBlackrider85 a colorless card shouldn’t be the strongest card in the format. Almost every deck playing it, kind of a problem
How would it make it a terrible card? You still get protection from everything and get to draw a metric ton of cards.
@@TheBlackrider85 it keeps to the flavour of it as a risk you take when you use it. at the very least it would make drawing with the ring an actually meaningful decision since you can play it for the protection then choose not to draw cards with it.
@@skykur It shouldn't be a bad card either
I had the chance to buy a playset of each of the surveil lands for only 3 bucks each. You dont understand how much i regret not buying them.
wanna talk about regret. I saw Smothering Tithe during RNA spoliers and was like wow what a great commander card. Saw it was $2 on release but thought. I'll wait till it rotates out of standard only needed 8 but didn't want to spend $16 for them.
It hurt the most when I saw they were selling for 50+ for a single copy... oh well.
@@KennyViTran I got into MTG/EDH when War of the Spark came out, and it was $8 back then. Wish I'd bought more
Not as much as when tarmagoyf came out and was 2 bucks each and foils were 4 bucks. I shoulda bought them all.
@@grnman86 at the rate it's falling, you might be able to get them for 2 bucks each in a year or two.
@@templarknight7 Lol maybe but I’m referring to when it was around 120 a card back in early 2000s
Resetting burden counters is a failure in design. If a new ring is placed it should enter tapped whit the original burden counters on it.
Players should have gotten the burden counter instead of the one ring
@@FlawlessP401Literally fixes the problem. Flavor wise it makes sense as one person having the ring leads to their descent. Hence it's "burden" but apparently wizards thinks taking it off and on again fixes it's drawbacks.
The One Ring should be limited to 1 per deck, both for better game play and for Flavor
I think that one is worst because drawing a one of at random that just wins you the duel would make it feel even worse if you lose to someone that just draws it by chance, it would also create an environment where people who win with it are told they won by pure chance
@@Griever49 You're always drawing it due to chance, even with 4. Yes, it's a higher chance, but people run single copies of cards, especially side board cards, in plenty of decks. Sometimes, you win because you get lucky and draw it. Look at that one famous match where Team USA was defeated by Team Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) because they top decked that Miracle card, Bonfire of the Damned. Sure, that felt bad, but at its core, the game is literally about probability and chance.
Restricting cards doesn't work. That's why they literally never do it outside of Vintage, and that's only because cards aren't banned in Vintage unless they're blatant design mistakes, like companions.
@@zachgray4767 This. I'm tired of people suggesting restrictions outside of Vintage. Also, everyone would still run it
@@cherry9787 but lifeloss becomes relevant when you can't just play another one and legend rule yourself
I'm surprised pithing needle hasn't gone up in value.
Reprinted a ton over the last few years
Ionknow, they reprint dual lands like crazy in every universes beyond set
not the good dual lands typically, just the decent commander/standard playable ones
They have never reprinted duals tho
@@Moop321 I think they mean the pain dual lands, not true dual lands. The ones that enter tapped unless you pay 2 life.
@@thomaswagner8769 shocks dont get reprinted either, except in ravnica remastered.
@@Moop321 that's false, they were in Unfinity, gatecrash, etc.
No worries, Wizards will ban The One Ring once they sell through the rest of their Lord of the Rings print run. We all know they care more about the sealed sales than the integrity of multiple formats.
Wrong
Absolutely 💯 correct. Bow masters likely gets banned in legacy too after the print run
@@SergioGarsiaSolano What a well phrased argument with so much backing evidence. This has been Wizard's method since near the beginning of the Hasbro acquisition. There is a preponderance of evidence for Wizards being extremely slow to act while there is still product sitting in warehouses, distributors, or all print runs have not been completed or sold through. It doesn't take a genius to know why this is the case. Hasbro would be torn to pieces by investors if they banned the highest value cards before most of the sealed product holding those cards were sold through. It is literally a conflict of interest with investors and completely ignores the fiduciary responsibility to those very investors. Banning extremely high value cards destroys the EV of sealed boxes.
In the case of Lord of the Rings, the top two cards in value, The One Ring and Orcish Bowmasters together are worth as much combined as the next roughly 30 highest value cards, and that's counting each version of Nazgul separately, if not it would appear even worse. The sealed value would immediately tank in an astronomical way. This would cause Wizards/Hasbro astronomical losses if they are still printing or selling through product, as all sales would immediately stop. This also financially wrecks Hasbro's business partners down their supply chain, namely LCS locations, but more importantly distributors. It would be a race to the bottom between them while Wizards/Hasbro is forced to dump the remaining product on Amazon steeply discounted and forsaking insane amounts of profit just per box.
If you think contrary to this, you just don't understand how any of this works and that's ok. Plenty of people comment on things they know nothing about, your comment is evidence of that, which is also ok, because we all aren't well informed on all topics. The main issue here is knowing and recognizing that lack of knowledge on a topic. I don't refute cancer research or discoveries in microbiology because I don't have ample experience in that space. I may want to ask questions about said topics, and that's a great thing. That is how we learn. The main things I wouldn't do is refute a claim with one word, not back up my claim/stance, or offer nothing to the conversation overall.
Now just reply with "wrong" again and we can go on with our days.
@@JT-91 Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! The other reply I just posted, to the one word bandit earlier that just said "wrong" and wandered back off to the internet at large, I calculated the values of the top cards and compared. The ring and bowmasters together are worth more than the next over 30 highest value cards. There is simply no way they they ban either while product is still on shelves. I also do believe Wizards/Hasbro has said they are going to print this set into oblivion until the license runs out and that simply must be maintained through high value cards to boost the EV.
If what I have read/heard is true, the licensing cost for Lord of the Rings was insanely expensive, hence why Wizards/Hasbro had to crazy marketing like the 1/1 Ring hypefest. I'm sure they have recouped that cost by now due to the overwhelmingly massive sales of the product, that doesn't mean Wizards would give up millions upon millions of dollars still possibly on the table from their largest outlaying of cash in the companies history.
If there is still product in a Wizard's warehouse or print time already payed for the next phase of stock and there was a ban of this nature investors would literally show up at Hasbro headquarters with real pitchforks, and by real pitchforks I mean something far, far worse. Lawyers. Lots and lots of lawyers. So, so many lawyers.
@@JT-91 they would have already banned Orc in legacy if that was the case, just like they quickly banned Ragavan from legacy soon after MH2 came out.
WOTC’s ban decisions are almost always dependent on how a ban could impact sales. There’s a lot of discussion surrounding the August ban announcement but I have no faith in anything printed in the last 3 years actually being banned right now in spite of the data.
Nadu because it causes a negative on paper events slowing them down. That costs money in rcq season
beans got banned a few months after it was printed (but as an uncommon it’s not really moving packs)
@@YourAdHere4Yeah, I imagine that Up to Beanstalk *only* got banned because it was an Uncommon, sadly.
@@MusicoftheDamned fury went with it and that was a chase mythic in a set that was still in print, albeit near the end of its life. I could see Nadu going because it’s not a chase rare and genuinely ruins the play and watch experience, but I’m sure WOTC is gonna try their hardest to keep the ring legal
@Jack-uh2db what are you smoking? Nadu is a chase rare not only because of EDH/cEDH but also because of Modern. They'll probably just ban Shuko
What if you could only have….one?
TOR won't be banned its the normal now
yall acting like bans in todays MTG are based on player experience and not what makes hasboro the most money. Gotta get out of that mindset, they do not give a singular fuck about your experience. if people are buying the card and generating revenue, they wont ban it, its really that simple.
They're buying it at 150$ on the secondary market, not from WotC.
@@maxlanglois958 the secondary market isn't reliable, which means when people want the card they'll go to a card shop or order it online, then a company owned by WotC or WotC themselves sells it at X amount and still makes an immense profit on a cardboard card that cost them essentially nothing to produce. If the card is banned they don't get that.
@@maxlanglois958 they still have product being sold once its gone then they won't care, so yes wotc is still selling pack of lotr set so they do care because people still buy it, and stores still buy it for the pulls
I can’t believe the surveil lands are as expensive as they are
They are some of the best dual lands available if you play fetches. I am surprised they are not more expensive tbh.
Half a consider for free off of just fetching a land
The surveil lands are the best lands since Triomes, and they're arguably better.
@@zachgray4767 Fetching a triome feels so bad next to a surveil land, I've started to cut triomes from my edh decks already which arent 4+ colours. Same is true for highlander and modern
Agreed, some prominent creators talked them up and now everyone is on that bandwagon, even if they don't actually believe it.
Noone cared for the Scry lands, noone cared for the fetchable tap duals from Dominaria United. But, if we glue them together, they are the best things ever!
The One Ring is a terribly-designed card that should have never been printed and represents the worst aspects of Modern card design.
One non ban solution would be errata that the burden counters are attached to the player not the ring so that it cant be reset by multiples
Similar to energy or poison counters
Legacy is also enjoying running a couple of copies of surveil lands. They are such great utility.
The only people that have a problem with the one ring are those who don’t own a play set of them. Why should everyone have to suffer because you were too cheap/poor to get these cards?
Wow! It costs twice as much as my Feather deck 😂
Card advantage of the one ring puts games away but its really the timewalk that wins you the game.
doesn't feel like it to be honest considering the amount of thassa's oracle shenanigans and the infinite mana guys that go "pass turn, on your upkeep blast you for a billion damage, gg"
The should make The One Ring a restricted card. It would solve a lot of the issues with it, *and* it would be more thematic.
Could you imagine if we banned every single cards based off play rate? I get the ring is powerful but it's not the cornerstone of the problem in modern. Nadu is playing it as a way to fight control, eldrazi/tron was an actual joke before it was printed, control uses it to stay relevant in an ever faster field. And literally no other relevant decks plays it. Banning the ring for nadus sin would make very little sense, nerfing tron and control wouldn't make sense either. The card is pricey, but they didn't ban goyf when it was around 200$ and in the best deck lol
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Ya it's not even really that good of a card, Palantir is a better card draw lol. Also going by how many people play it, to say it should be banned, is dumb cuz it means people play something else.
If we are banning cards, ban Obliteror, Sheoldred, and slickshot lol.
They should re release the bundles lol
Do you think TOR would be banned in EDH?
When karlov manor released I was dumbfounded by how cheap the surveil lands were. I wasn't really back into playing magic again so I didn't end up buying them (classic fill a tcgplayer cart then decide I don't need the cards / haven't been playing much), but now I'm playing more again and definitely wish I would've gotten more of them.
Naw i think well see a slight dip in the one ring but it's price is kinda gonna be evergreen since it'll be a commander / legacy staple. If it gets banned in modern i think we might see a dip to like 50. I doubt we'll get back tonthe 25 - 35 again.
The best way to deal with the one ring is to Restrict it. What's more flavorful than having only 1 The One Ring?
The surveil lands are just so good
I bought 1 box of LOTR 2-3 weeks ago and pulled a generic one ring and was surprised it was at $115 on TCG player. I'm not going to lie, I don't think I'll ever sell the thing. Even though it's pretty tempting.
They should try to restrict it and see how that plays out
I pulled a ext art one ring and I’m keeping it for sentimental value I’ve had it since prerelease
The issue is coming from this being a Universes Beyond set, which really showcases how problematic the design space of such sets is. They literally gonna milk out the standard licensing deal they made, which is 2 years, so there is a very high chance that no bans or changes will be made until June, 2025 due to that.
So yeah, stick to those Orcish Bowmasters and The One Rings for a bit longer.
What do people think about having restricted cards in modern? I mean it really works thematically for the one ring right?
A: Everyone would still run it
B: Restrictions should only be in Vintage
@@cherry9787 why you believe restrictions should only be in Vintage? Just pure curiosity 👍
@@cherry9787I tend to agree and clearly so does everyone else since this has never been done. But everyone running one isn't the same thing as it dominating the format. Like if 50% of Dec's ran lightning bolt... I'm not sure I'd care. It's more, How often does this extremely powerful card that kind of warps the format actually come into play... And it seems like restricting it would do just that, limit its effects on most games even if it is a common card in decks
became a problem? Its been a problem, lol.
I gain protection from the ban list, Probel solved
Man I sure do love the idea that premium cardboard rectangles are free to anyone who wants them
Frankly, i dont think the one ring needs a ban in any format, i think it needs an errata to add 1 line of text. "You may only have one vard named 'the one ring' in your deck." Doesnt bother singleton formats at all, makes it so instead of being a 4 of in all decks its more likely a 1 of or a sideboard piece. Doesnt make the money some people spent on it a waste as it likely wont cause it to drop in price by much.
Then again, i also know wotc isnt big on eratas and since we'll likely never get a reprint that makes it even harder to erata but we shall see.
It’s True Name Nemesis where it’s cheaper. to buy the product that guarantees having the card
If you can find it at that price anymore
banning the one ring is not that good of a ban. its a 4cmc on a 3 turn format so i don't know why its even considered to be banned
I've found a good formula for most of my commander decks, at least 3 color ones. 6 of each of the 3 basics, the 3 eligible life gain lands, and the 3 eligible bouncelands, plus assorted goodies like Reliquary Tower, Evolving Wilds, etc. Cheap, but usually enough.
Yes I have a bunch of MDFCs with land backsides why do you ask?
even if One Ring is banned in Modern, its still one of the best cards in commander and especially CEDH where its now an auto include. Unless they ban AND reprint this very powerful universes beyond card, I don't see it going below $50
The crazy thing for me is: I bought my GF two collector boosters of LOTR and she pulled the full art bundle The One Ring and an Orcish Bowmasters. I didn't pull squat, but now seeing how bad TOR has become I'm kinda glad I didn't get one
I wish they just had a 1-of list for Modern like they do in eternal formats. You could even bring back a lot of banned stuff by limiting it to a single copy, and if anything, The ONE Ring seems like the prime candidate for such a thing. You still have some strong tutor options but that adds a whole other layer of steps, cost, and potential for sabotage. Modern needs a 1-of list, BAD.
The ring isn't a problem in modern as long as you run the right removal
Im hopeing it will get cheeper for commander players since i dont feel its op in commander yet just a good value card at worst in most decks and a combo card in specific commander decks at best and you can die to it if used unskillfully.
We're commander players, we proxy the expensive cards. ;)
Been a problem since it dropped, but its just a piece now worse problems over this, and they wont ban it if product is still on shelves is my bet. Bigger targets tho if you ask me like Nadu and Grief
The one ring is my favorite card in my mono blue artifact deck lmaooo
Smuggler's Copter was banned quicker in Pioneer. This is ridiculous.
They were banning cards every week in pioneer at that time.
They won’t ban it .. this card got international attention with post buying the card that was found …. That’s the biggest deal to magic in 30 years
I hope they will limit to one per deck once they are done selling pack
They should restrict the One Ring till 1 copy, as it was meant to be
Honestly if they can't just keep using the rings to draw more rings to get around thelife lost, I'd be cool with it.
The chaining is the real problem, I'm totally with you on this one
By that logic you only be able to play one copy or EACH Legendary card in your deck
Even better, legend rule used to work like that and THEY CHANGED IT BECAUSE IT WAS GOD WAFUL
@@SergioGarsiaSolano Except it is THE ONE FUCKING RING From LORD OF THE RINGS not the 4 rings
@@SergioGarsiaSolano Not many legendaries can be chained like this card (I actually can't think of any atm) and have the same impactful consecuences on every single game (becoming basically inmune for 3 out of 5 turns in an average scenario). The card is already very strong and it has a downside to make it fair that is basically ignored because you can chain it just by using itself, you don't even need another tool to bypass that downside that is supposed to be there for a reason.
The one ring is an amazing card and is 4 mana, the effect is strong, but is balanced on the current meta, i think people is exaggerating, as there is currenty 3 or 4 decks in meta that can win on turn 2 or 3 at most, and in modern there is not that many stuff that helps to cast this faster
And was we no no decks run Ugin's Labyrinth
@@articerile so you'll waste slots to run 7 drops only to cast the one ring faster, if your strategy is to cast the one ring as fast as possible, that's okay I guess, but the meta decks rn runs the one ring as a commodity rather than a main focus of the strategy, there is at least 10 more cards that are way more problematic in modern than the one ring rn...
So i pulled one the rings. And its not foil, but it's still worth something correct?😅
One Ring is the one thing making me not buy collector packs because it's much cheaper to flip thru draft packs for one
I wish I didn't trade my One Ring last year when everyone thought it'd be banned.
Just needs to be limited to 1 copy so your less likely to abuse it
do they plan to make it the first ever restricted cards in modern?
God I wish I bought a One Ring when it was like $50
You forgot standard rotation is 3 years not two
I don't think it should be banned but it should be restricted to "one" per deck
WHY DID I TRADE MY UNDERCITY SEWERS
WHY
WHY
WHY
They're not banning it.
The One Ring is an evergreen issue. It will FOREVER plague the game because it's played in EVERY format it's legal in.
Errata it to say 'You may only have 1 copy of 'The One Ring' in your deck' and the issue is virtually solved.
If only if WotC actually focused on making a Lord of the Rings set instead of a Rings of Power set, we might've gotten a more flavorful and lore accurate One Ring.
We're never really told what the ring does. Tolkien liked to keep things vague like that. It's just described as vaguely powerful.
@@josephwodarczyk977
I'm of the opinion that The One Ring should be limited to 1 per deck, a line of text that says it's Legendary to prevent token copies, and the Burden counters should be an Emblem placed on the player.
You missed orzhov surveil land
Only nearly half? Hah, I’d have guessed more
The One Ring has no problems.
The one ring isn't really a problem it's just a pretty good card, 4 mana fog that draws cards but you lose life isn't that great.
Why are fake movie cards allowed in competitions?
The One Ring has been a problem since Middle Earth.
like one ring is ver strange card to me its not broken in real sense but is very strong card but biggest problem you can just put 4 copies of that literally to any deck in modern or legacy ...
Wizards is just pure greed at this point.
In a perfect world, the LotR set would not exist (in modern). But this is not a perfect world
Got mine for $25. Hell yeah.
The One Ring is $110? That's the most expensive card in my collection. Not by much, but damn.
Yea I think it's one of the most expensive modern era cards, at least in terms of a base, non-serialized, non-special version copy. Jeweled Lotus is up there too. And like Edgar Markov but yea. Pretty nutty.
@@ullrich I don’t have the base version, that is $150. I grabbed a bundle, which is the $110 one. It’s technically a special version.
@@blueredlover1060 Yes, I know. My point is that it's one of the most expensive cards in the modern era, excluding special versions of certain cards in the modern era that are really expensive while their base versions are quite cheap. The bundle version being cheaper doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. Even with that bundle version being a bit cheaper, the card is still one of the most expensive modern cards excluding some of the more rare variants of cards that have cheaper base versions. The cheapest version of the card is still one of the most expensive cards in modern Magic if you exclude variants like the glitter foil from Wilds of Eldraine or whatever. I'm just trying to underscore your point.
Because it still sells packs!
I got the one ring in a $40 box :)
So buy a box or two of Karlov Manor and pull some lands? 😁
The one ring is not even on their radar and once nadu gets a proper neutering there will be plenty of decks that don’t require it
F august needs to be an emergency ban ASAP. The bird, the ring, and if they want to ban grief all the pitch/free spells need to go out of modern.
YAAAS I have two surveil lands that I got for less than 5$ each Ina pack
I thought Nadu was a problem too?
BAN HAMMER!!!
No mistaking that Pink Floyd song in the background (I'm old). On topic, though, the One Ring has very much overstayed its welcome. I hope it gets banned soon. I'm bored seeing it in so many decks all the time.
Buy out surveil lands. Copy.
When you say ban, you mean in commander?
Modern.
Oh gee, the premium card of that wotc set designed for older formats became a problem in the older formats and it's making them boring, repetitive and homogenized, who could have imagined such an outcome?
The One Ring should be restricted to one
Becoming? I love how sites like MTGG piggyback off Wizards for clicks, promoting every power crept set they sell...then turn around and complain about the power creep.
instead of banning, why not unban cards that are older than MH2? Uro's power level is lower than MH2.
One ring just now becoming a problem? Nah, it's always been a problem
So many lands
$$$$ can't ban the ring it'd lose reprint equity
One ring is the most obnoxious card I have seen being played since I started playing mtg in 2013. Never should've been printed
Proxys baby
"Good, g o o d, . . . Let the ONE Ring Flow Thru U, Goldfish. Succumbing is inevitable."
"I mean, the daft did any of you think was going to happen once they spoiled it in a "Modern" set, ya sprekens?"😂🤣😅😹😺
Card's a huge colorless colorpie break and broken af. No damn wonder.
Hot take, one ring is fine
NADU NADU NADU
It should be restricted 😂😂😂 just a flavor win IMO😅