Why there’s only one ocean liner left in 2024? Queen Mary 2
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- By the 21st century no one had built a true transatlantic liner for decades. Cunard changed that with the Queen Mary 2. When QM2 entered service there were a handful of liners left, including QE2, Astoria and Marco Polo. But today she’s the only one in service. Find out why.
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I'm sailing on the QM2 on June 30th !
LUCKY !!!!!!!!!
Lucky duck!
Lucky 🍀
Same!!!
Is it the Boston July 4th itinerary? I'm going on it next week!
Fun trivia fact; The QM2 was originally planned to be named the Mauretania 3, but Carnival wanted the ships to have royal names, so Queen Mary 2 was chosen instead.
Mauretania 3 would have been very popular with fans of Titanic from around the world
Mauretania 3 would have been very sweet.
That would have been super cool
Seeing as Cunard absorbed White Star Line in the 30s, I think Olympic II would be a fitting tribute to one of the most reliable liners in history.
I had hopes they would revive either the Mauretania or Olympic names when "Queen Anne" went into service. But then again, since the Anne is a cruse ship and not a true ocean liner, maybe its better they went with Queen Anne(?)
The fact that QE2 sailed for 39 years when ocean liners were a rapidly dying breed is honestly kind of mind blowing
Stephen Payne is a true ocean liner architect. He took lessons from maritime history and incorporated a cruiser stern just like the original QM had (AND the Queen Elizabeth...and many others). I was onboard the original QM in April of 2007 when the QM2 sailed into the port of Long Beach and the QM blew it's steam horns on air power in salute. Being a maritime historian myself it was a truly beautiful moment.
I traveled on QM age 7 her 2nd to last crossing, and several other liners, I'll NEVER forget those trips!
How does one become considered a historian in the official sense? If there is such a thing, please excuse my ignorance.
I’m on the QM2 in December, and can’t wait - she looks absolutely spectacular!
You’ll love it Fraser!
I wish it was the titanic tho😢
@@Xoxo_oofy8301Had the Titanic survived . .
@@kathyhorstman7909she probably would've been scrapped in the '30s like her sister Olympic
Saw her docked in Brooklyn, NY in 2007. Magnificent.
Because flying is cheaper and faster. Still LOVE my ocean liners though. We need a Normandie 2 don't we?
I agree we do need a ss Normandie 2
It would have been much better if we still had the original 'Normandie', that ship lost too quickly! And, only too often, all these 'seconds' and 'thirds' are simply awful! Take a look at the fourth 'France'! Of all, or out of all these 'Frances' the most interesting to me was the second, the fourstacker. But why not try to build a 1:1 copy of 'Normandie' from 1935?
Flying is unromantic and dangerous. If Lord wanted us to fly, He would have given us wings.😊👍
@@WojciechWachniewski-st1zm aw makes sense
@@kawanbrownlee9724 steam ships are not viable
I was thinking about making an ocean liner just like the white star line style, then I remembered, I’m broke
That is usually the problem with most things
Love QM2!
Interesting. I didn't know about the Marco Polo and Astoria
Astoria is actually MV Stockholm, the ship that collide with Andrea Doria.
In like 2 seconds you made me understand the key difference between cruise ship and ocean liner. Thanks
I hope to travel on her at some point. Most be quite a unique experience.
Disney was in the early planning stages of build #8 named the Queen Elsa to be an ocean liner to compete with the QM2 transatlantic crossings but those plans were scrapped in 2020 due to The Blip. I was looking forward to the less formal DCL dress code. Less to pack.
Wow. I have never heard that. 😊
Fun fact: if im not mistaken.. the Astoria was a ships from the 1940's its orginal name was the ss stalkhalm . Aka the ship that accidentally hit and sunk the andrea dorea. Kinda sad to see yer finally been withdrawn from service, she lived a good life (sorry if i may spelled stalkhalms and Andrea dorea wrong)
Yup your correct
"Stockholm"
I truly hope I’ll be able to go on this beautiful ship someday.
Let's not say "the last liner". I don't believe there won't be more ocean liners. For some it's just fun and relaxation, but for the aerophobe it's a great way to overcome the ocean.
Moreover, I watched a video about 10 cruise ships vs 10 powerful waves.
As a result, one large liner almost capsized, another liner began to sway violently and people began to fall to the floor. There was also a liner where people were sitting having lunch, but a wave broke the window and scattering people and furniture across the floor.
When people realize that ocean liners are better, they will start building them? I guess so, right? I just don’t see the point in building ships like the Symphony of the Seas and the Icon of the Seas. Another cruise ship? But... why? Probably so that they could not go out into the open ocean, but were spinning inside the Mediterranean Sea or somewhere else?
Hey Fred & Tonya. Great to hear from you. I also hope that there will be a workable business case to replace QM2 with another liner when she ends her service career. There’s clearly a demand for the transatlantic crossings but I’m also cautious as a unique set of circumstances came together to see QM2 built in the first place so a replacement isn’t a guarantee. Fortunately she’s a strong ship, well built and only really approaching her mid life now, so we have a while until we need to get worried ☺️
i went on Spectrum of the Seas on nov 2
Hopefully the SS United States is restored and returned to service.
Why would you want it to return to service to much will be changed if the ship it will be better as a museum.
@@FutureUnitedStatesPresidentsad but true ... if I had $1 billion I'd get her sorted out! but no one wants to foot the bill 😢
Given how bad a state its in I wouldn't be suprised if building an SS United States II would actually be cheaper than a restoration of the original tbh.
When im older I wanna build a Ocean liner
Nice, remember to keep them safe if you ever do
I might get seasick but it's fun to think about a trip on an ocean liner
Ocean Liners are more stable than cruise ships, so that'd be your best bet.
@@irregularhunter0586 I prefer Elizabeth or Victoria in rough seas to Mary. Maybe Mary is better if you in middle of ship but front and back is like being on a huge sea saw due to length of ship.
They all have doctors on board and a lot of passengers pay about $100 for injection that appears to work miracles and lasts about 3 days.
Qm2 has to be the most beautiful modern ship ever (which is rare)
Would be cool to do the crossing over the Atlantic with this ship sometime in the future:)
It's more doable than you might think.
Titanic 2: i took that personally
We need either a Olympic 2 or not Titanic 2 that's cancelled but Lusitania 2
Titanic 2 was hold to due coronavirus but there's no awnser if she's ever sailed
@@Ryuu1010YT it is cancelled it's confirmed
@@rmmvfazbearentertainment1054 there's no confirmed of any information what could happen to that project you should watch Waterworld that Titanic 2 was not canceled
I think Disney should build an ocean liner make Walt proud
Fantastic
In 1840 the RMS Britannia of Cunard was the first Ocean liner with scheduled crossings. Today Cunard's RMS Queen Mary 2 is the last Ocean liner.
-> The history of Ocean liners began and ends with Cunard
I've sailed on QE2 ( transatlatic) and on Marco Polo (Antartica). Both times had horiffic weather.
Same. We sailed in ‘02 and only went outside like twice the whole trip because the weather was so horrible. Still a great trip, though.
Do you see Cunard or any line building another ocean liner once the QM2 is gone or at the end of her life?
what about the new queen anne and the queen victoria???
Not liners.
QV and QA are both designed as cruise ships. There’s some minor structural changes on QV making her more suitable for direct transatlantic crossings but neither are designed to be ocean liners.
@@ChrisFrameOfficial oh really ,wow I hope the age of ocean liners comes back to favour ,even if they are a little ugly compared to the older ones
whats the difference between an ocean liner v. a cruise line?
Substantial. There are three major differences between them. First, the structure. The ocean liner is much stronger, rugged and reliable. It also has a longer life expectancy, maybe 40-50 years of SERVICE.
Second, the schedule. The ocean liner is like a bus. It WILL sail with or without certain booking completeness. The liner has a fixed and permanent itinerary. Regardless the weather conditions. The liner Aways has a fixed start and destination.
Third, its Purpose. The liner is a more serious, travel shuttle vessel. The cruise ship is primarily recreative, full of ludic or playful attractions, and often with no exact routes nor seaports.
Edit: nevertheless, a cruise ship can and do cross the Atlantic. Oasis and Symphony of the Seas (owned both by Royal Caribbean), and Costa class ships, owned by Costa Crociere of Italy do that often.
Cruise ship has a completely different hull design to a liner.
It comes down to the design crossing an entire ocean is entirely different than a regular carnival cruise ocean liners need to be built stronger and more specialised to handle a nonstop run from a to b
What they said, ⬆️⬆️⬆️
Liners have longer, sharper bows and QM2 has a double thickness hull.
Google is your friend.
I've been on several cruises and they had exact itineraries for docking and departing. We sure didn't cross any oceans though.
I think another difference is that an ocean liner has more powerful (and thirsty) engines for higher speed.
To me she is only a cruise ship. Last liner to enter regular service on the Ocean was the RMS 'Queen Elizabeth 2', that ship from Glasgow (Clydebank) eleven years younger than me. The new 'Mary' is something quite different from her famous predecessors. On the other hand, what a marvelous successor to one of the World's most famous liners, the former QM, or Job 534, that Grand Old Lady from Clydebank, 'sung' in poetry still before launching!
She is an ocean liner, meaning she's designed to provide reliable trans-Atlantic service regardless of the weather. To accomplish that, she is fast, 30 knots compared to 23 knots for most cruise ships. Second, she is strong. We've ridden her in pretty rough weather and she never shuddered or rattled like cruise ships; she felt absolutely solid. Those two properties enable her to maintain 23 knots through all but the worst weather, and to travel at 30 knots to make up time if she does have to slow down. No cruise ship can do that.
The Queen Mary 2 is an Ocean liner in every way. She is completely different to cruise ships. She is built to withstand bad weather on the Atlantic and she still makes regular Transatlantic Crossings, like a true Ocean liner.
Only someone with no knowledge about her could call her "Cruise ship". This is just wrong.
And most important thing: The transatlantic crossings are not only for fun: There are plenty of people using the QM2, because they have a dog or any other reason, why they don't like to fly. So the ship also has a purpose.
To what's been said, QM2 might not be a Clydebank ship, but she was built by the same yard that built Normandie. Surely that counts for something?
@@TsaGo_1912 well your statement could work in reverse. So are you saying Cunard has no knowledge ? cus it calls all 3 of its ships ocean liners !!!!!! Yes Mary is built to handle the rough Atlantic. Or rather suffer less damage and need fewer repairs after a crossing than modern cruise ships. But where exactly are you getting your definition that a ocean liner is built to handle the rough Atlantic Southampton to New York. Cus there’s other oceans And other routes and there’s been plenty of ocean liners that never got to see Southampton or New York.
@@deananthony1000 I never heard, that Cunard called all their ships Ocean liners. QE and QV are obviously Cruise ships. I just visited the website of Cunard right now and the QM2 is the only ship which the call an Ocean liner.
Where do I get the definition of Ocean liner? Have you ever heard of the "internet"?
You could simply search for the definition of Ocean liners..
And if that's not enough for you, there are plenty of maritime history channels on CZcams (for example Chris Frame). They also tell you the difference between Cruise ships and Ocean liners. (Or you could also read a book). And of course there are other Oceans and a ship isn't built for only one passage. But the route from Southampton to New York is the most famous route. In this route the history of Ocean liners started in 1840 (with the RMS Britannia from Cunard, which was the first ship that did scheduled Transatlantic Crossings and was the first Ocean liner).
She's an amazing place to be. Combining luxury with functionality
"by the 21st century on one has built a proper ocean liner"
Kevin: you forgot about me?
So is the Queen Anne a liner or a cruise ship?
A cruise ship 🛳️
A ocean liner is a form of transport to get passengers from one side of ocean to the other. A cruise ship is for a holiday and you tend to get off at the same place you got on. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with how it’s built. It’s all down to how it’s used. Cruise ships have evolved while Mary was built in the traditional style so she can handle bigger seas and rougher waves. Or rather she will suffer less damage and need fewer repairs after a rough crossing. There is no definitive definition of difference between cruise ship and ocean liner apart from how it’s used. Lots will want to argue with me but those are the ones that would of been screaming at me that cruise ships are covered in balconies while ocean liners only have a few and they set back and situated where they won’t be affected by waves before mary was built.
This ship is great
Ahhh it’s too bad I won’t be around long enough to hear the ghost stories about this ship like we get to with the original queen marry
Luckily once the Queen Anne sets sail we will once have more than one ocean liner in service!
Hi
Does QM 2 🚢 go to the Philippines? 🇵🇭
I'd prefer taking QM2 over seas any day since I'm afraid of heights
I sailed the QM2 on a Transatlantic Crossing in May. The ship is stunning, but the food and service was terrible. It was just a pretentious charade, a Hershey Kiss in a Godiva box.
I saw a stupid theory that QM 2 and QM 1 were the same ship, which there not
Does anyone know when she's supposed to retire?
Hello. I’d say sometime after 2044 as she had a 40 year life expectancy built into her. However QE2 exceeded her longevity envelope by almost a decade so for QM2 it may be even longer.
QM2 is the last ocean liner in service for the foreseeable future, NOT WITH ME AROUND IT’S NOT
She's still around 5 decks too tall, rendering her top heavy.
also, cunard was bought by carnival, the floating hotel company.
furthermore, there are other liners, seaworthy enough to cross the north Atlantic
She is more top heavy than her predecessors, but she looks a lot more top heavy in photos than she does irl, those camera focal lengths generally are not flattering. She is still far far sleaker than every cruise ship I've seen, and I've seen a lot living in her home port of Southampton.
So the term Transatlantic does not apply?
I used to hear outside of English, cruise ships being referredd to as Transatlantic (cruise) ships.
It struck me as odd though, the fact that they actuality travel by the coast, not really cruising the ocean towards another continent.
I believe most people still see these ships as those ocean liners that would make the cross between oceans.
Why do we have queen Mary 2 if we already have queen Mary 1
i feel like marco polo stole the croatian ship " marko polo"
the QM1 is in longbeach the M/S Stockholm is still in service as the astoria and there in some oceanliner hotell in rotterdam or somwhere in the netherlands abs the QE2 is in bubai
Wait what exactly happend to the Astoria?
If I'm right mv Astoria is supposed to be scrapped
She’s currently laid up
@@ChrisFrameOfficial thanks for letting me know
She is the famous Stockholm that rammed the Andrea Doria in 1956. Interesting enough may be, that she later served under the flag of the... GDR (East Germany) as mv. 'Voelkerfreundschaft' (Friendship of peoples) and under that name paid 100 visits to our Gdynia!
What an excellent example of good Swedish work she was!!
Cruise ships are so fugly I want more liners
There are many reasons why cruises are better. One of which is safety and crowdedness.
@@bonemarrow43 That’s true
@@HarleyQuinn_93 They also serve different purposes. Ocean liners are just to take people across the oceans, while cruises are for enjoyment and vacation.
so the stockholom could die? nooooooooooooooooo
SS nomadic(1911)(white star line)has left the chat
Thats not in service, its on display
1. Nomadic isn't in service anymore
2. It's not an oceanliner, it's a tender
2008.
By the way: does the QM2 cross the Atlantic on the regular basis, as did her predecessors? Possible entering docks or basins without assistance of tugs is obvious, but can people travel on her in old style?
Yes
yup she still regularly does trans-atlantic crossings. And she has bow thrusters that help her manoeuver in port.
i thought i read smth on google saying the ss united states will be brought back
'MARCO' ...........
Nomadic
what about her? she is a museum and was a tender boat
People died at that shipyard visiting this ship
One day it will be retired.
well i really hope ther will be any new ocean liner,mabye even an Olympic II but thats just the same as the Titanic II , SS stockholm will prob return someday (Aka Astoria
Qm2 sunk
I don't know what universe you're living in
??? wtheck do u mean? are you thinking of QE 1? that one burned and sank in Hong Kong 1974
We need titanic ||
No we don’t.
Luckily, Marco Polo was scrapped in 2021. Those old ships are incredible hostile for our climate and ugly as hell. The newer ships from Virgin and Royal Caribbean look much, much better and are cleaner. I hope for a world in which ships don’t get older than 15 years, because then they start to get outdated and not bearable for nature.