Sam Harris: What it's like to have no free will

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  • @LexClips
    @LexClips  Před rokem +2

    Full podcast episode: czcams.com/video/Qyrjgf-_Vdk/video.html
    Lex Fridman podcast channel: czcams.com/users/lexfridman
    Guest bio: Sam Harris is an author, podcaster, and philosopher.

  • @chuckchuckster8704
    @chuckchuckster8704 Před rokem +115

    wow a lotta people seem bothered by the idea they dont have free will. i wonder how much of a choice that emotion is

    • @ash9x9
      @ash9x9 Před rokem +7

      We all have illusionary free will..

    • @5thMilitia
      @5thMilitia Před rokem +7

      ​@@ash9x9so we have none

    • @ash9x9
      @ash9x9 Před rokem +1

      Yes, but that illusionary free will is a requirement for the ego...

    • @Scynthescizor
      @Scynthescizor Před rokem +5

      Which makes sense, because our common-sense experience makes it obvious that we have some level of control over some of our actions. We are responsible. You can't take that away from people and expect no push back. It's like saying "red doesn't exist", but even deeper.

    • @5thMilitia
      @5thMilitia Před rokem +1

      @@Scynthescizor cOmMon-sEnsE

  • @craigrussell3062
    @craigrussell3062 Před rokem +43

    I know I have no free will every time I get my hands on a sleeve of Oreos

  • @Behruz-vu1wj
    @Behruz-vu1wj Před rokem +18

    Welcome to the mind of a meditator! A foreign land to most people

  • @alexxccccxbbb9952
    @alexxccccxbbb9952 Před rokem +50

    I’ve never seen Sam Harris laugh

  • @MattQrillz
    @MattQrillz Před 8 měsíci +1

    Holy shit, I've had this before - Alot.. almost everyday to be honest, I sit and think of not moving, and not to think of thinking and let my mind go blank.

  • @DanielClementYoga
    @DanielClementYoga Před 9 měsíci +3

    This is great, especially the "possibilities" thing. Sam is still sharp.

  • @scottgibeault1717
    @scottgibeault1717 Před rokem +2

    Probability in "English". The best predictor of future events, are past events.

  • @CS2tipsnclips
    @CS2tipsnclips Před 8 měsíci +1

    6:25 reminded me of Shawshank when he locks himself in with the record player, and later at lunch he talks about how they can never take that from him.

  • @coreywiley3981
    @coreywiley3981 Před rokem +2

    Is this what the song "Que Sera" whatever will be will be...we have no control over anything, not even ourselves...what is going to happen is going to happen because that is the way nature is unfolding?

  • @MelFinehout
    @MelFinehout Před rokem

    All it means to say something is "possible" is to say it doesn't violate our mental model of reality. It has no actual existance. It is simply a feeling that "this postulated circumstance/occurance accords with my model of reality."

    • @megadethslayer3619
      @megadethslayer3619 Před 7 měsíci

      is that all he means. i can't figure it out. you're saying he just means he forgot what the word possible means?

  • @EC-cm8sf
    @EC-cm8sf Před 6 měsíci

    It’s shocking how engrossed they were in Parmenidies, Aristotle and the nature of potential/change. I would encourage people to research it. Essentially change is potential that is actualized. So potential is a very real thing as Sam said.

  • @dana_white55
    @dana_white55 Před 6 měsíci +3

    this is amazing i am typing this with the illusion that i made a decision out of my own free will, its what im actually doing

  • @FleetaFleegalBuckFut
    @FleetaFleegalBuckFut Před rokem +32

    This better be good, Sam. I acquired the tool known to many as the “dab pen” for this

    • @LtGregoryStevens
      @LtGregoryStevens Před rokem +9

      You do realize this is Lieutenant Gregory Stevens you're talking with

    • @dank.6942
      @dank.6942 Před rokem +1

      Awesome

    • @theuniques1199
      @theuniques1199 Před rokem

      Good that you like the conversation or good that you like not to like the conversation?

    • @Clarkjacksonfitness
      @Clarkjacksonfitness Před rokem +2

      Taking Dabs and listening to Sam Harris sounds awful

  • @RyanNightTalks
    @RyanNightTalks Před rokem +14

    Free will is often argued as incompatible with physical determinism, but I don't think that's the case. If you entertain dualism, multidimensionality and editable memory, it fits cleanly with the rest of the model. If it's a multidimensional reality wherein cause and effect is really a sphere of potentiality where all possible random causes /happen/ and all potential effects /happen/ and the limitation is the sophistication level of the observing consciousness -- your sensor (body & physical brain) -- then your free will can be accounted for by perception: the reality your limited consciousness follows, though alternative realities exist, is your 'free will' in action. If the soul is dualistic in nature, i.e. it is on 'your device' in the same way google is on 'your device', meaning it's really running off the cloud of the simulation so to speak, then your free will is determined by what you cultivate into your 'user' by means of collecting memory engrams that make up the ego; your free will is the project of building your localized ego. It's all a trick of perception. You decide, in a sense, which channel to watch on TV. Though the other channels all still exist, you are making a choice with your limited perception and inability to watch them all at once, to focus on one, thus exercising your free will. Your experience is other than it could have been based on a decision you made that has many multivariate factors, but is still a product of your decision.
    This also means, if you work the other way from that conclusion, your memory engrams are editable, they're no different materially from any other experience real or imagined you could feasibly accrue, your ego is editable, and so the reality you experience and the way you interact with that reality are controllable from your perception; even if "objective" reality, wherein in a multiversal model all things both happen and don't happen, doesn't change, you have the free will to determine a) which reality your consciousness follows; b) what you curate from that reality to form your formative experiences; and c) how you react to those experiences. To use the example from the video, you could delude yourself into imprinting memories of a fictional daughter on yourself and with no outside force to disprove those memories, they would be just as valid as any factually accurate set of memories.
    Biological and physical determinism have way too much chaos and random input to have any useful predictability, especially with quantum particles popping in and out of this dimension via rules we don't understand but definitely would affect the variables that underpin theories of an interpretation of determinism that convincingly disproves free will.
    That's my view anyway.

    • @robertweekes5783
      @robertweekes5783 Před rokem

      You are one smart esoteric mofo.

    • @CrazyLinguiniLegs
      @CrazyLinguiniLegs Před rokem +5

      But in these types of debates “free will” is understood as “absolute free will”, which means to be able to consciously and intentionally choose the object(s) of your desire (and/or to be able to intentionally be without desire for any object whatsoever), and to be able to do it absolutely independently of any factors outside of your own conscious ego. So, we have “relatively free will”, but not “free will” per se.

  • @apprentice4434
    @apprentice4434 Před 9 měsíci +2

    If free will is an illusion then everything can be predicted, to see free will as an illusion could be a greater illusion

    • @nws6146
      @nws6146 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Whether or not physicists from 500 years ago were able to calculate and predict where a rock lands after rolling down a hill doesn't mean the rock had free will

    • @apprentice4434
      @apprentice4434 Před 8 měsíci

      @@nws6146 your mind isn't a rock

  • @vernongrant3596
    @vernongrant3596 Před rokem +3

    Even the flip of a coin isn't random. It's all predetermined by the initial conditions.

    • @drquantum6548
      @drquantum6548 Před rokem +1

      Exacly. Everything is.

    • @FloMj
      @FloMj Před 6 měsíci

      quantum theory says otherwise@@drquantum6548

  • @rikvlasblom4272
    @rikvlasblom4272 Před 4 dny

    "You are not in control. Everything is just happening." -- Exactly. And we observe mostly our own reactions within the environment, so we are totally biased in the same way that we thought the Earth was in the center.

  • @cmvamerica9011
    @cmvamerica9011 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Only when you stop seeking physical and mental excitement, can you transcend this world 😮

  • @carterrennerfeldt1607
    @carterrennerfeldt1607 Před rokem +1

    so if mediation facilitates negative emotion brevity, why does harris hold onto grudges so long...not to mention deeply?

    • @0quisuismoi0
      @0quisuismoi0 Před rokem

      because he's a hypocrite. He's also a faker, and not nearly as smart as he likes people thinking he is. The more i see, the less i think of him. Not sure why lex even bothered with him.

  • @mathewkurian8746
    @mathewkurian8746 Před 7 měsíci

    If we don't have free will. How can be someone be mindful and do meditation

  • @missh1774
    @missh1774 Před rokem

    An ism may point at analytics and declare it to be an unnatural human thought process, especially if the mode is thriving rather than surviving. In actuality one will say "I have no money", whereas the other will say "I have money". In the world of each moving concept one will be saying "I have enough money" and the other will be saying "I don't have any money". - From a collection of my living reality.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      All transient concepts which only exist arbitrarily.

    • @missh1774
      @missh1774 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI same thing but without the lyrical meander? boooo to grey worlds!!!

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@missh1774 K.I.S.S

    • @missh1774
      @missh1774 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI🤺 Iron Swan - The Sword

  • @4gr8fun
    @4gr8fun Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Lex Clips!! Hope you're well!
    It seems like the lack of having a common language is limiting the understanding. For example with the idea that what if only the *Actual* is possible -- well what if everything is actual all the time --- FOR ALL TIME -- because time is an illusion? Wondering if that the material/physical hardware that consciousness emerges with would need some continuity depending on the level of consciousness. For example -- dropping a cell phone off to a Neanderthal wouldn't achieve much -- Nor would boxing up a Model T Ford in perfect condition and sending it to a future that has advanced past such things mean anything. We like to presume possibility.. but no different than the sport of Basketball with Foul Lines, Boundaries, Backboards etc. There has to be some continuity. Maybe that's the mystery of it all. If Time is an illusion, then the weird thing is that we presume total agency when our individual selves act as nodes for consciousness to interface with the material/physical world we've been presented with -- no different than with NBA players in a basketball game. So there is a sense of free will... but that language is not accurate anymore? Better to say consciousness is emergent with the material/actual -- and our infinitesimally tiny individual nodes/personalities are the individual currents for Consciousness to experience all that is actual for all time and we're just in this specific material user interface that we call the current moment/present? So instead of free will, what we are actually doing is curating consciousness. This would fit into the idea of Love -- meaning curating and respecting everyone's conscious experiences with regard to what is perceived to be actual -- hence the importance to have as much as possible a common physical/material and linguistic reference point to understand how best to curate that -- since our brains can't comprehend much more than that at this point. (Giving a Model T Ford or to someone far in the future or a cell phone to someone far in the past wouldn't be much of an act of love. So in some sense a person wouldn't want all things to be literally actual all at once... this greatly reduces the idea of "Free Will" -- a single 1/Eight Billionth person doesn't get to make their own interface for all living creatures..... I would say that based on the observation of Basketball -- Last Dance on Netflix is a good example that there is something of what we call *Free Will* but it's not what anyone with a classical definition of that phrase would think that it is. Watching the consciousness of Phil Jackson, Dennis Rodman, and Scottie Pippin discover what is possible... is a thing of beauty. Watching the love they had for opening up their bodies and minds to what is possible was inspiring. So instead of free will what we do with consciousness is discover what is possible within a limited physical/material frame. Oui?

    • @4gr8fun
      @4gr8fun Před 6 měsíci

      (Also noting that there is a deep need within us for things to be as they are, Whether it's Rules of Law, or foul lines in sports -- it's interesting that human consciousness deeply needs the world to facilitate an authentic experience that is meaningful)

    • @4gr8fun
      @4gr8fun Před 6 měsíci

      Instead of Free Will, maybe Free Experience is a better word? It's interesting to me that Sam was defining his freedom of the illusion by his "choice" to not have a third child. Maybe there's not a lot of *freedom* in what was actual and what he discovered as actual, however he was presumably free to experience that thread in his life. Was there no other option? I doubt that -- Religious people often say that God has a plan for them -- well that would infer that there may be an optimal emergence of consciousness and experience. If humans are analogous to nodes in a network -- one could infer that some nodes gather more information/consciousness than other nodes? I don't know this is all interesting.

    • @4gr8fun
      @4gr8fun Před 6 měsíci

      I'm wondering if -- to measure the idea of Free Experience -- if voting is a good indicator of just what we really mean by that. There is tons of conscious thought put into the issues -- they are distilled down but then a person has to go to a voting booth, or obtain a ballot by mail and then they have to physically fill out the ballot. The very act of voting seems to be focused on an experiential result. It's an experience that everyone is after. Within the framework of our physical world and the constraints from evolution and physics-- there's what's actual vs what's emergent. There may not be as much agency as we presume to have.. but take any of the hot issues.. and those seem to be measurable. It seems like we could scan brains on 2a and Abortion issues with people on both sides of the fence and figure out scientifically why one group of people votes one way and another votes the other and then by doing so could understand more precisely what *we're* actually *voting* for. Both sides are trying to curate an experience presumably. Where is the overlap?

  • @MateusCCaetano
    @MateusCCaetano Před 5 měsíci

    So many questions about that.
    No free will means we shouldn't punish or reward anythinhg and no one.
    It means it makes no real sense to plan anything. To have hope or fear.
    And on the reality that only now matters and it's sufficient for everyone paying enough attention, that would mean a tasty beverage or plain water shouldn't change you in any way. No favorite dish or even favorite person.
    I have meditated before and i have felt the benefits of been less lost in thought. But these philosophical questions still bother me.
    It's far from obvious for me to reconcile lack of free will and individual responsability.

  • @McAwesomeDelux
    @McAwesomeDelux Před rokem +2

    Is worrying a choice? Seems like a tendency more than a voluntary behavior to me.

  • @karam5376
    @karam5376 Před rokem +1

    Basically what ever u said is the path of a seeker , this is what is called spirituality. Some have created technique to elevate themselves , it’s a state of mind only who is experiencing can feel even they cannot truly defined the state . What I gathered from my perspective cause I am not there , I can see that it’s a state where your mind is in full control and is at present and doing the best , knowing that u are not in control , which intern is gives u the final freedom . Bit tough to explain

  • @CS2tipsnclips
    @CS2tipsnclips Před 8 měsíci

    If there is no free will is everything pre determined?

  • @pedestrian_0
    @pedestrian_0 Před 6 měsíci

    this reminds me of what Jim Newman talks about, where the only thing that's real is whatever 'is', everything else is just a story.

  • @SiimKoger
    @SiimKoger Před rokem +12

    I choose to believe free-will exists whatever it is. If it exists then I use it. If it doesn't exist then I couldn't choose not to believe in it could I 🤭

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      House of mirrors.

    • @bradspitt3896
      @bradspitt3896 Před rokem

      If it does exist then welcome your new overlords. Only violence wins.

    • @5thMilitia
      @5thMilitia Před rokem +1

      You can't choose to believe things

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      @@5thMilitia he just said he can

    • @5thMilitia
      @5thMilitia Před rokem +4

      @@IAn0nI he is wrong. He and you can't, for example, choose to believe that your arm has fallen off. Belief doesn't work that way.

  • @timb350
    @timb350 Před rokem

    Possibility exists simply because our alignment with reality is flawed. The fact that it is flawed is blindingly obvious but...so far...correctable only by what can only be described as astronomically extreme measures. Someday...hopefully that will change.

  • @Jbwooten571
    @Jbwooten571 Před rokem

    Possibility wouldn't be possible if everything were fact.

  • @theuniques1199
    @theuniques1199 Před rokem +1

    You're free to never have free will because never is forever and forever is never free of being forever including first believing you have free will, eternity is the origin story of eternity(itself) because eternity is a reproductive state which is also the origin story of itself as a reproductive state( eternity), eternity is repeat as repeat is eternity, therefore I always have and I always will rewrite this same exact comment verbatim by always first believing I am writing this comment.

  • @TonyVega123
    @TonyVega123 Před rokem +1

    I feel like this truth should be used to help my uncle beat his murder case

  • @natepolidoro4565
    @natepolidoro4565 Před rokem +9

    Sam has transcended.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      Transcended what?

    • @simnan1827
      @simnan1827 Před rokem

      ​@@IAn0nI reality

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@simnan1827 🤡

    • @skeletor7708
      @skeletor7708 Před rokem +2

      Extremely intelligent individual, has an aura

  • @Dogbertforpresident
    @Dogbertforpresident Před rokem +8

    Funny how this upset a lot of people.

    • @ififif31
      @ififif31 Před rokem +1

      Why is that funny? Dubiously saying there's no freewill is dangerous and all of his "no freewill" arguments have been disproven. What IS funny is how Sam once called the Quran a "plethora of bad ideas" when his own book is a REAL plethora of bad ideas.

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Před rokem +6

      ​@@ififif31 lmao it's not dangerous. He's right, but the truth makes you so uncomfortable that you reject it out of self preservation of your sanity. Your brain couldn't handle these complex notions.

    • @ififif31
      @ififif31 Před rokem +2

      @@pnut3844able What's his best argument then? Let's see how good your brain can handle his "complex notions" ;)

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      @@ififif31 whom you take yourself to be doesn't actually exist. Your identity is an illusion. Hence there is no will to be free or not free.

    • @jeremywickwire565
      @jeremywickwire565 Před rokem

      Like “ha ha” funny?

  • @shadw4701
    @shadw4701 Před rokem +11

    I think free will does exist, just not as a solid state but a spectrum. I think in the study they forgot to account for autopilot vs lucidity/mindfulness. When you're mindful you're more likely to think out a decision before making it and think more critically. You're also more likely to remember things.
    I also think lucid dreaming is the perfect example of free will. You're able to realize you're in a dream with enough mindfulness in the waking state and once you're in a lucid dream you can practice controlling it. Once you do have controlling it down you can do and experience pretty much anything with no limits other than your own imagination. There's no more free state than this
    I think we all have different levels of free will at different points and depending on how much focus we put into being mindful

    • @Age_of_Apocalypse
      @Age_of_Apocalypse Před rokem

      Very interesting comment! 👍👍

    • @questionmark8046
      @questionmark8046 Před rokem +1

      We first need to define "free will". What do you mean when you say "free will"?

    • @questionmark8046
      @questionmark8046 Před rokem +1

      @1 1 I think almost if not any form of "free will" in this context is driven by your mind and body. You have a variety of choices based on what you know. Your knowing/imagination is largely formed by experience. Within that limited remembering/imaginary state, you can choose whatever you want. But is it truly free will? I mean free will suggest infinite number of possibilities which go beyond the knower/thinker. Your so-called free will is limited by what you know/experience(d).

    • @ififif31
      @ififif31 Před rokem

      @@questionmark8046 The POWER to CHANGE the probabilities of choices is what we call "freewill" and it's definitely not an illusion.

    • @Gotinha123
      @Gotinha123 Před rokem

      That's a good point I think. But how much do we really know about consciousness to be able to say that?

  • @pranavbiraris3426
    @pranavbiraris3426 Před 3 měsíci

    Just surrender to the consciousness ___ Aadi Shankara

  • @toottoot24
    @toottoot24 Před rokem +12

    Idk how Sam Harris hasn’t driven himself mad thinking about these things. Imagine always thinking about your thoughts and the effect those thoughts have on you 🤔. Ignorance is bliss

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Před rokem

      Yes, stupid people are happier. The tradeoff is you're stupid. I'll take intelligence any day.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +4

      Perhaps he's correct in this context and your judgements are "mad" 🤔

    • @DanielAnderssson
      @DanielAnderssson Před rokem +1

      INTP mind is madness

    • @quebueno8822
      @quebueno8822 Před rokem +1

      To him it’s clear that there’s no one to be driven mad in the first place. That’s what meditation does to you. Some sick shit

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      @@quebueno8822 illusion of self

  • @SplatterPatternExpert
    @SplatterPatternExpert Před rokem +1

    Sam says if you replay the tape up to a given instant, it is not possible that you could have chosen otherwise in that instant. Of course not, Sam, because you’re replaying the tape.
    Free will exists at the present instant. Replaying the tape does not explain or clarify anything.

  • @Hatrackman
    @Hatrackman Před rokem +1

    Free-will, categorically, is not a real phenomenon. Life 'divines' through it's experience towards whatever peace it has conjectured. There was so much grace lost in the adopted delusion of human exceptionalism that it made literal Hell. Patience be with us.
    #youarefactuallytheonlythingthatexists

    • @helifonseka9611
      @helifonseka9611 Před 8 měsíci +1

      This is very deep!!

    • @Hatrackman
      @Hatrackman Před 8 měsíci

      It means everything and is the core of the pending global nervous breakdown. Patience be with us.

  • @CS2tipsnclips
    @CS2tipsnclips Před 8 měsíci

    Didnt notice will was locked up. I guss im on board FREE WILL

  • @robertcartwright2254
    @robertcartwright2254 Před rokem +1

    All we have is TIME in the end not attention. And you have to be wise with how you use it

    • @Rikarth
      @Rikarth Před rokem +1

      How much value does that time have if your mind isn’t present and paying attention?

    • @YiannisANO1911
      @YiannisANO1911 Před rokem +1

      Your Attention is the use of your time. Attention is more accurate as the “only thing we have”

  • @drcjonreality
    @drcjonreality Před rokem

    Our world is simulated. Our so-called free will is by-and-large the inevitable effects, determined by the causes created long time ago within the real simulator--our Ayala-consciousness, which stores every little program/data called "bija" (seed) accumulated from our countless past lives. This is documented and explained abundantly since thousand years ago in ancient literature such as and . We are most of the time puppets and avatars through our entire life (not unlike Plato's cave metaphor). The real question is to get to know how this "operator" works (e.g. how it creates YOU and the universe) and change your destiny from there. That makes the real difference.

    • @Atman23
      @Atman23 Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah I have found that meditation changes the structure of reality itself. Because you are Brahman(Consciousness) you create the universe which operates according to laws. But the laws and the universe you reside in can change. We all really reside in a multiverse which we collectively create

    • @Atman23
      @Atman23 Před 4 měsíci

      I should add that. All one has to do to "traverse the multiverse" is place your attention on your body in particular the area wherein your cerebrum would be. But in my experience focusing on any part of the body with the mind's eye changes that body part and changes the whole universe in relation to that body part.
      There seems to be some sort of consciousness "black hole" wherein the yogi who looks within at the body accumulates, draws in, the consciousness of the people around them. This can lead to lots of suffering because one is constantly absorbing the attributes of others. Many of those attributes are not healthy.
      When one gets to this stage it is best not to speak of it and spend a fair amount of time alone in order to recover from the consciousness absorption

  • @woolfel
    @woolfel Před rokem +1

    I don't use twitter and never will care about twitter. It's a dumpster of hot garbage.

  • @aj3sr
    @aj3sr Před rokem

    Will and Ariel Durant

  • @triberium_
    @triberium_ Před rokem +2

    "We have free will because we have no other choice"

    • @exoxy
      @exoxy Před 11 měsíci

      Yeah wow

  • @Rami-ll2bq
    @Rami-ll2bq Před rokem

    The merger between biology and mechanics is inevitable! Why not be better?

  • @niravdarmesh5278
    @niravdarmesh5278 Před rokem +1

    Mindfulness is also known as Mindlessness. And they both are an accurate description of what the experience, in fact is:
    The Experience of the Physical Senses to the very Limit of those Senses within an amount of Time that cannot be measured by the Senses of the Experiencer.

  • @cmvamerica9011
    @cmvamerica9011 Před 8 měsíci

    Whatever happens is the only thing that can happen; the past is the proof😂

  • @Age_of_Apocalypse
    @Age_of_Apocalypse Před rokem +6

    "We have no free will" (Sam Harris) I absolutely disagree! We have free will, but it's probably more limited than people think! A lot of times, we are on the automatic pilot, but at other times, we can think about our options and there, our free will comes into play. 🤣
    Once again, Sam Harris dealing in absolute: "we have no free will and that's it!".
    He should have said: I don't think we have free will for these reasons...

    • @NeutralMjolkHotel
      @NeutralMjolkHotel Před rokem +5

      It certainly feels like it’s there, but with scrutiny I can’t find a place where those “decisions” are really freely made

    • @mattdonati24
      @mattdonati24 Před rokem +2

      He’s laid out those reasons at nauseam. He even a short book on it.

  • @aj3sr
    @aj3sr Před rokem

    Play the fool!

  • @MS-qo3sy
    @MS-qo3sy Před rokem +13

    You know if you combine this with all of his other videos where he's so desperately trying to explain how he wasn't responsible for being wrong it becomes overwhelmingly easy to see how he has come to these beliefs.

    • @sor7en07
      @sor7en07 Před rokem +7

      His view on free will is derived from his training in Tibetan Buddhism, and is a fairly common one among Buddhists, experienced meditators, and even physicists (Sabine Hossenfelder's video on free-will gives u the basic view from physics). He studied with Tulki Urgyen Rinpoche in Tibet. He knows his shit.

  • @Justwannalogon
    @Justwannalogon Před rokem +3

    Causation is completely accepted by everyone as a fixed relationship between causes and effects until we consider the brain. Then it's time for some special pleading baby.

  • @jeffgriffiths5945
    @jeffgriffiths5945 Před 6 měsíci

    religion really is everything, in my opinion.

  • @shanmank
    @shanmank Před rokem +1

    Elon was to Sam as Rogan is to Lex

  • @isaiahcochran9665
    @isaiahcochran9665 Před 3 měsíci

    These people have too much time on their hands to talk about this nonsense. Your present moment can be affected by yesterday's actions. The present moment is dictated by hopes of the future and the history of your past mistakes or success. It's your free will to decide what you do next.

  • @scossar
    @scossar Před rokem +1

    I'll side with the nitwits on this one. I'm sure things are commonly ascribed to free will that can be proven to be predetermined (for example, deciding to reach for a water bottle,) but that doesn't rule out the normal common sense idea of will power. Similar to belief in God, there's little to no risk in being wrong about this.

  • @russelldoncouse9930
    @russelldoncouse9930 Před rokem

    Seems like a conversation between two very bright stoners.

  • @slimeblitz32
    @slimeblitz32 Před rokem +1

    So basically if we can’t roleplay god and do all the wacky shit we want we don’t have free will
    Cuz that’s all I’m hearing. He wants us to basically glitch out of the boundaries of a video game like come on! Boundaries have purpose! 👁👄👁

  • @Justwannalogon
    @Justwannalogon Před rokem +6

    I really feel Sam's frustration trying to explain this to all the monkeys.

    • @chrisdubs1928
      @chrisdubs1928 Před rokem

      For real. I'm horrified at the number of people who nash their teeth and thrash against this idea, but have no way to disprove it other than saying Sam Harris is a smug asshole 😂😂😂

  • @donaldrobertson1808
    @donaldrobertson1808 Před rokem

    Potential daughter has an abstract ontology?

  • @xdgagdbdfhs562
    @xdgagdbdfhs562 Před rokem

    I feel like accepting you do not have free will is dangerous. Gives weak people an out to not be disciplined. Maybe I’m misunderstanding this. Please let me know if I am. I believe I have full control over my life and everything that happens to me.

  • @carterrennerfeldt1607
    @carterrennerfeldt1607 Před rokem +1

    does sam harris have a sense of humor? he seems kind of miserable.

  • @sandman5211
    @sandman5211 Před rokem +1

    Sam is a materialist, his materialism is absolute and as Prof. Richard Lewontin said: We cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. Everything else follows

  • @gagescott8847
    @gagescott8847 Před rokem

    In ten seconds, imagine a blue cube rotating clockwise. Your capacity to do this demonstrates a kind of psychological freedom not eliminable by traditional physical-reductionist strategies; those that often work against bodily agency examples. It's still certainly the case that this ability depends upon, and is constrained by, physical operations, primarily in the brain, but the event isn't recognizably 'identical' with any physical operation. It's a higher order psychological phenomenon - focused, controlled, abstract imagination - not reducible to a particular physical chain of causation.
    Part of what seems to motivate such confusion around this issue is an insistence on a monistic view of causation, namely, one of physical operations only. If one doesn't make this strong assertion, that there is only one channel of causation allowable in our model of the world, the problem of volition becomes much less intimidating. Causal pluralism shouldn't be presumed without justification, but neither should causal monism. Deep issues here for sure.
    Cheers.

    • @user-cy9vd7rl4h
      @user-cy9vd7rl4h Před rokem +5

      Lot of words you used there. I didn't choose to imagine a blue cube rotating clockwise, you typed the words and I read them. When I read them, the image appeared in my consciousness. I didn't choose it to, it appeared out of the abyss of my subconscious, like all thoughts. Cause and effect. Your example of obvious free will isn't very good.

    • @gagescott8847
      @gagescott8847 Před rokem

      I don't doubt that that was what happened when you read the words, which is why I specified a time interval. Any sort of immediate-reaction example will be vulnerable to the challenge you're posing - "it wasn't any sort of free control of my mind that did that, just the determined reaction of my mind to the event" - whether it's true or not. Generating examples that subvert that vulnerability are definitely difficult. It seems to me though that if a person can withhold the act of imagining the cube (or any imaginary object/scene) for a specified amount of of time, and then generate the image, that wouldn't be just the unfolding of reactive consciousness. It would be a genuine act of volitional cognition, what I called abstract manipulation before. Does that make more sense of the example? Thanks for the response human. Cheers.

    • @gagescott8847
      @gagescott8847 Před rokem

      To clarify, the thought experiment works best if you perform it independently of reading my explanation of it. Again, thanks for the engagement.

    • @GYPSYTALES
      @GYPSYTALES Před rokem

      Gage just gave us the perfect argument against free will, as mentioned above. Upon reading your comment, through no Free Will of my own I immediately imagined the blue cube. We could go back in time and run this same experiment a thousand times over and I guarantee that one thousand times I will not be able to exhibit any freedom of will to not imagine that cube. Run the experiment now by not thinking about a blue duck :)

    • @gagescott8847
      @gagescott8847 Před rokem

      @@GYPSYTALES You're absolutely right. In that specific sense, and many (maybe most) others, the contents of our minds are not chosen freely by us, and so are in some sense determined. The point isn't to say that 'all' cognitive events are freely chosen, or that any of them are 100% free, in some sort of mystical sense, but simply that we do have 'some' measure of freedom over 'some' cognitive states; in this case, time-lapsed imaginative abstractions. Again, if you perform the thought experiment while you're reading the text of my explanation of it, the sort of challenge you're posing is potentially valid. An honest engagement with the experiment would have you put your phone/device down, close your eyes, count to ten, then imagine the blue cube rotating. If you can do that, you have some measure of direct control over some kinds of cognitive events.
      Thanks for the reply my dude. Let me know what you think.

  • @IAn0nI
    @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

    Sam's right.

  • @Thedeepseanomad
    @Thedeepseanomad Před rokem +1

    Self aware NPCs Lex, played by themselves as parts of the universe-computer.

  • @Justaperson717
    @Justaperson717 Před rokem +1

    I like Sam Harris, but I think sometimes he makes things too complicated. Our world and we as a species, are much more simpler.

    • @PRICEX
      @PRICEX Před 6 měsíci +1

      I agree with you. Not a problem of Sam Harris alone though. People like to think social problems are much more complicated than they really are

  • @AntarblueGarneau
    @AntarblueGarneau Před rokem

    Sounds like Harris keep bumping up against "predestination"

    • @jonathanj2666
      @jonathanj2666 Před rokem +1

      Sounds like you weren't paying attention.

  • @curtiselmore727
    @curtiselmore727 Před rokem

    sounds like Sam's trying to deny the existence of feelings as part of the self

    • @jonathanj2666
      @jonathanj2666 Před rokem +2

      Sounds like you weren't paying attention.

    • @curtiselmore727
      @curtiselmore727 Před rokem

      @@jonathanj2666 Did you hear the part where he said that noticing things is not willful? That's what I was referring to. How 'bout you? Do you think noticing is willful or random?

  • @ahmedboubaker8514
    @ahmedboubaker8514 Před rokem +2

    Things I've yet to see Sam Harris say: I was wrong or I don't know

    • @supermarioisacat
      @supermarioisacat Před rokem +3

      Sam admits to "not knowing" or "being uncertain" all the time. You aren't looking hard enough.

    • @terriblecustomer9568
      @terriblecustomer9568 Před 10 měsíci +1

      19:06 “I might be out of my depth…”
      You’re not actively searching

  • @henkverhaeren3759
    @henkverhaeren3759 Před rokem +1

    Can't answer the question because you have free will

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      What happened happened

  • @jacobmiller1026
    @jacobmiller1026 Před rokem +1

    Why do people use the term "meat-space"? What a gross, dehumanizing phrase to throw around

  • @M42Cullen
    @M42Cullen Před rokem +10

    Welcome to my masterclass; talking without saying anything. I wonder how much time ole Sam spent staring into a mirror to perfect that eyebrow tilt, so profound.

    • @PlayerKV
      @PlayerKV Před rokem +3

      But talking without saying anything is how you get to valuable discoveries. You just want to hear the good stuff without seeing any of the real work required to get there.

    • @renocicchi7346
      @renocicchi7346 Před rokem +2

      @@PlayerKVexactly. Look at all the world famous books he has written. I wonder how many best sellers the original comment has made

    • @NeutralMjolkHotel
      @NeutralMjolkHotel Před rokem +2

      Nope, the conversation seems to be tracking just fine. Guess you just need more time to digest.

  • @robertcartwright2254
    @robertcartwright2254 Před rokem

    It seems to me like a lot of people white people especially live outside of there body and watch and themselves walk around. I experience free will every second of my life I’m fully inside of my body. Except when I smoke weed lol

  • @FearlessP4P1
    @FearlessP4P1 Před rokem +7

    Debating wether free will exists or not is possibly the dumbest thought experiment. Sam Harris is such a hack.

    • @benjaminb6678
      @benjaminb6678 Před rokem

      ok

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Před rokem +1

      Your brain isn't capable of handling the ideas, so you deny them in preservation of your sanity.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      ​@YY-ln1olhow did you realize

    • @FearlessP4P1
      @FearlessP4P1 Před rokem

      @@pnut3844able you’re IQ has to be under 100 if you think there’s anything complex about it. The implication are obvious

  • @xdgagdbdfhs562
    @xdgagdbdfhs562 Před rokem

    Is actuality not just the past? The past is actual. You can’t change the past. The past is the past. But this makes it sound like you can’t change the future. That is entirely false.

    • @helifonseka9611
      @helifonseka9611 Před 8 měsíci

      You can change the future with information you have now...that information came to this point from the past. So this is a continuum from past to present to future...

  • @dohwuri9068
    @dohwuri9068 Před rokem

    Anyone ever heard Sam Harris laugh?

  • @robbhays8077
    @robbhays8077 Před rokem +1

    Anyone who disagrees that free will exists shouldn't be taken seriously.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +8

      Does it make you feel insecure?

    • @7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS
      @7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI Does it make you feel better about not taking any accountability for your actions?

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      @@7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS troglodyte assumption.

    • @7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS
      @7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI Big word so smart feel special for no reason at all.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@7DAYSOFOPENINGNIGHTS hey little fella, 6 people agree with me. Looks like no one sides with your delusive perspective this time ✌I feel special now 🤣 that's all the reason I need 😃

  • @Sgtvenom4598
    @Sgtvenom4598 Před rokem +4

    Sam’s take on this is pretty dumb. Yeah all of your chemicals are predisposed to react a certain way, but the choices you or you family make literally change your brain chemistry and the future decisions you make. So free will in that sense is definitely real.

    • @bendavies1926
      @bendavies1926 Před rokem +10

      Doesn't your brain chemistry and neurology determine the choices you make? If not, where else do those choices come from?

    • @pjetrs
      @pjetrs Před rokem +1

      agree with Ben, because this argument can be chopped down untill you reach higgs-boson levels of explanation about how things happen, but that doesn’t explain consciousness and why we act om certain things. What makes us special is that we divert from what basic chemistry tells us and others people behaviour gives us opportunities to choose.

    • @ATIRX
      @ATIRX Před rokem

      ​@@bendavies1926 your brain chemestry is still you

    • @helifonseka9611
      @helifonseka9611 Před 8 měsíci

      Gathering Information to make choices is causal.....Information needed for decisions come from your experiences and things that happened to you and the information you have..which are all causal.

  • @cmvamerica9011
    @cmvamerica9011 Před 8 měsíci

    I understand why Sam has to meditate; if the voice in his head talks as much as He does ……..😂

  • @keithgreenan638
    @keithgreenan638 Před rokem +1

    I think Sam Harris is a. Authoritarian

  • @dolanpatj
    @dolanpatj Před rokem +3

    Sam Harris: Philosophy for Boomers

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Před rokem +1

      🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @seanbs
    @seanbs Před rokem

    As smart as Harris is, he is a terrible communicator.

  • @shy5088
    @shy5088 Před rokem +3

    Sam Harris = bad energy

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      The bad energy is caused by yourself

    • @shy5088
      @shy5088 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI not at all I am the viewer and view his motives in certain opinions as incorrect and forceful with agenda.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@shy5088 the duality you have constructed between there being a separate viewer (you) and situation to view (other) is an illusion. It's all your own doing.

    • @shy5088
      @shy5088 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI dude am spiritual I read and am aware of energy in a person - not everyone is for the greater good - there is negative energy in the world 🌎 get a grip.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@shy5088 you haven't realized Truth. More reading won't help you, though it may eventually make it clearer for you. Sleep well.

  • @TheJZP
    @TheJZP Před rokem

    Sam seems to reason without nuance and believes in absolutes. He believes in his opinion so strong and faithfully It's inseparable from a religion.
    "Only a sith deal in absolutes"
    Obi-Wan Kenobi

    • @nutinmyass
      @nutinmyass Před rokem +3

      Lol wdym “without nuance”? The man gave numerous examples to explain his point 7 different ways. He’s written a whole book about the topic of this clip.
      Meanwhile you’re here taking an overgeneralized jab at him with 0 specifics. Talk about no nuance lol

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      ​@@nutinmyassha! Got him

    • @bendavies1926
      @bendavies1926 Před rokem +3

      That Obiwan quote is an example of an absolute.

  • @bfunderb5899
    @bfunderb5899 Před rokem +1

    Come on Lex, don’t be stingy

  • @nutinmyass
    @nutinmyass Před rokem +4

    Fist

  • @chriskramer9311
    @chriskramer9311 Před rokem

    what.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem +1

      No free will.

    • @chriskramer9311
      @chriskramer9311 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI I mean, I got that much. It was just a lot of words to support something that can't be proven or disproven, neither way of which would have any impact on daily human life.

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@chriskramer9311 can be proven experientially and directly.

    • @chriskramer9311
      @chriskramer9311 Před rokem

      @@IAn0nI source me

    • @IAn0nI
      @IAn0nI Před rokem

      @@chriskramer9311 🤣 YOUR SELF