Should You Port or Compensate Your Glock? Landers Weapon Systems GUCCI Glocks
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- today we answer a question that probably not that many of you asked. Landers weapon systems had the idea to put these two pieces head to head in a series of tests and see who reigns supreme, ports or compensators? today we embark on a tale of two Glocks with one key difference to answer the burning question that few want to know.
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Is your camera man gonna open a YT channel about guns?
Underrated comment lmao
Sounding a little salty there. Why don’t you open a YT about guns then get a cameraman who will then do the same
😂 God I hope so... Let it be a thing
Lmao 😂
@@11BReloit’s a joke… you’re the one sounding angry…
I like this micha guy. He should do a collab with garand thumb wouldnt that be crazy
Garand who??? :-)
😂
That would be siiiiick!
Dork comment.
Dammmnnn
Ports decrease muzzle velocity, whereas comps do not. Comps also add muzzle weight, which keeps the muzzle weighed down. A comp, plus a tungsten guide rod, feels like an airsoft gun.
This. What's the measured velocity lost from being ported? Seems like the equivalent to an inch of barrel, which has an impact.
Depends on the whole setup and ammo. There's at least one video on here somewhere, where someone actually picked up a few fps with ports. I don't know how, crazy. But, its usually not much of a drop at all. I'll get around to testing mine eventually.
This has been tested by other guntubers. The lose is nearly none. I have both setups with tlr H1 and tungsten. Ports blow away radian. Not even close rapid fire drills.
Exactly. Over and over people say 9mm is just as good as…40s&w, 45 acp, etc. they also say modern gun powder, new bullets…etc. then they run Jell-O shots loads and port their gun. They’re basically shooting less power than 380 acp.
@@DTex.45ACP It’s incredibly negligible. We’re talking 20-30fps. Effectually zero.
I went from a G17 duty gun to a G45+Afterburner, Size remained the same no need to switch holsters and a much flatter shot. Love it. Great video.
Literally thinking about doing the same switch. lol
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@@davidparrales1175 the radian ramjet and afterburner fucks, just buy it already
what if i put an afterburner on my 17 lmao
Damn that camera tracking synced to the slide was _slick_
It would be interesting to see how a Glock 17C compares to these two.
I like my 17c but its recoil from a 17 is negligible.
I never comment, but I really appreciate you using Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 for mood music.
I second this😂🤌🏼
Glad you made your own channel man really enjoying your content.
I would be interested to see a 10mm version of this video, as the muzzle flip is much more acute.
You mean, 9mm doesn't need to be comped?
No he actually was speaking English so not sure what your excuse for not comprehending basic English is…your attitude is compensating for something is my guess
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you mean, i can comp whatever the fuck i want because its mine?
@@DoraTheMFDestroya of course you can. You do you, Boo Boo. 😘
@dorathedestroya2449 ive seen a comp for 22lr so yeah
Love that he’s branching out and doing his own thing mad props
I personally run the Radian comp + barrel for on my main carry Glock, apart from not having to send in my gun for gunsmithing work for porting, I can have the extra barrel laying around if I do need to use it for another build or to have as backup just in case somehow my Radian barrel gets messed up. Love the good work you do bro
I thoroughly enjoyed the entire video. I especially liked the way you used a qualitative judging system, yet acknowledged a quantitative way to interpret the data as well. Great job.
Nerd.
0:17 is a great camera trick. Reminds me of the shinning axe to the door scene.
Awesome video...entertaining yet informative...I'm currently weighing the pros and cons of this dilemma and I found this very helpful.
This video was actually super valuable for providing solid benchmark recoil and aftermarket comparison. Bussi indeed!
One thing not mentioned here is by adding ports you’re taking a bit of velocity out of the system that gets to remain behind the bullet a tad bit longer in the case of the compensator. Would have been interesting to see velocity readings thrown in the mix to be able to quantify that, see if it’s enough difference to make a difference
It’s been shown that ported barrels have negligible decrease in velocity.
@@_Delta_P_ I bet that depends a lot on the size and number of the ports, and the powder and how much of it used. Then, the length of barrel also plays a vital role as well..
i've also had a degradation in accuracy, after having a barrel ported.. as well as, with aftermarket ported barrels, vs the stock barrel. i've not noticed that with comps.. once re-zeroed, they seem to stay consistant.. were with my ported barrels, i still get more fliers
My first thought on seeing the thumbnail. I came here to say this myself.
QVO Tactical and Tier 1 Concealed both have lots of content with ported barrels and comped guns and have both discussed the difference being negligible. We’re talking 20-25 fps which would amount to less than .25 ft/lbs of energy difference so effectively zero difference regardless of barrel length or port design (Within reason. Meaning any logical setup. Not stupidly massive ports, not 15 holes, ports being located at least halfway down the barrel and not by the chamber, barrel lengths reasonably expected for carry, ammo types reasonably expected for carry, etc.) I have also measured velocity with ported, comped, and normal barrels on a Glock, velocities were all within very small increments, even overlapped some with shitty ammo. Just info I’ve seen and put together on my own. 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
As a LEO in Texas, l use a compensated Glock 17 for duty and a ported Glock 17 for off-duty. I really like them both.
Dang, that must be one massive duty holster
@@bidenhatesamerica Naw l carry a SAFARILAND 6362 RDS for a Glock 34 mid-ride no issues bro.
@@timoanez4668Did you put the foam in the bottom so the 17 doesn't rattle? If not.. highly recommend 👌
Yeah Texas! I really like ports. But I do have an xmacro and it shoots really well. Super flat. That’s what I carry most days.
@@_Delta_P_ Heck yeah bro that is the way! Stay safe out there 🙏
Lets not forget a ported barrel can be swapped for a non-ported/threaded barrel on a whim, a comped barrel needs tools. I personally care about this because i love silencers, but i know the overwhelming majority of handgun owners dont own one. Just food for thought.
Awesome video bro! Loved the format, and have been looking for good info on this very subject. You have assisted my gun autism greatly today sir, thank you. 🙏
Top tier production value dude, nicely put together.
Love these head to head/testing videos.
Stocking cap matching the stache.. instant +10 recoil control
So stoked you have your own channel. Your energy and talent needs to be shown.
I enjoy your vids, but I would say this one was one of the better or best ones I've seen from you. Good job Bro
FWIW, Tier 1 Concelaed did a pretty comprehensive video about this exact subject, with different handguns and different shooters, using both ported and compensated guns.
In that particular video, it seemed the ported guns came out on top, over the comp'd guns. Which leads me to believe it might come down to what type of porting a gun has vs which model comp it has.
Which then leads me to believe, we're splitting hairs. Ported or comp'd is certainly better than a stock gun. The rest may just be preference.
Also, Optics Planet fucking sucks. Order at your own risk.
It's exactly that. It's not port vs comp but rather how each is done.
Facts, I've had issues with my last 3 orders through them
@@David-cy2ug They're legit terrible. I have no idea how they are still in business.
I had an extensive conversation over email with optics planet about the exact part I wanted. They still sent the wrong one and they wouldn't take it back.
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Comp Pros and cons
Added weight and bulk
Less tuning required often can run on factory springs
Cheaper
Flat shooting
Ports pros and cons
Usually have to mill and cerakote slide and barrel
Spalling does shoot out
Dirtier gun and optic glass but super flat and fast
Usually requires recoil spring tuning
Higher cost
Cleaner look
I have both ported and comped guns I have had to tune my ported guns while comped is usually ready to go depending sometimes they need tuned just depends
Comps for comp(etitions)
Ports for carry.
Just like right tight memorization
Very informative video thank you for taking the time to create and produce this content!
As always, great content, Micah! Thank you!
I think a category you should have talked about is price. I assume sending your Glock to get ported is also a lot more expensive than just getting an afterburner. Good video dude! Loved it!
It really depends - and actually might surprise you. Both monsoon tactical and Vulcan machine works port barrels on 1911 and 2011s for 250. Granted this is a send out with sometimes long lead times. The ramjet afterburner is 390 and you have to do it yourself.
Final consideration tho, is that porting a barrel voids the manufacturer warranty but a compensator doesn’t
I've been contemplating the Ramjet afterburner. This was satisfying to see it came out on top.
They’re great in my experience. I kept my Glock 45 completely stock outside of the ramjet and have never had a malfunction in 4,000 or so rounds
Micah seems to be perfecting the opening shpiel where he sets up the video and thanks all of the sponsors. He's doing it well, which makes more people watch it. He makes it kind of entertaining which also helps. Micah is smashing it. Well done fella!
Greatly appreciate the use of Tchaikovsky piano concerto no.1 as background music here.
Aside from the comped version just being heavier at the end of the barrel, it applying roughly the same amount of gasses further away from your hand (and thus in a larger radius) would mean more torque, meaning more recoil reduction, even if slightly.
What's interesting here is where the gun falls back down to, moreso than the overall recoil angle. It looks like the ported one restored the sight picture a lot quicker (closer) than the compensated one at least for Micah. My understanding is that muzzle flip shouldn't matter as much as where the gun sits after the action cycles that determines the speed of the followup shot.
So yes.
That said some of that has to do with the load. Different loads will work comps differently. For example loads that have higher pressures and more gas will force the comp to dip (like the +p loads) but powder puff loads (like the Jello shots) may not work the comp enough. This is without even considering the recoil spring weight and how lighter recoil springs sometimes help with that dip, but then it’s eating less of the cycling energy.
None of this is as simple as, throw a comp on there and hope for the best.
For example, my open gun has both porting and a compensator and fires 9 major ammo at about 160% maximum factory load pressures. Even shooting way hotter ammo than anything this Glock can handle, it shoots flatter than any of these guns. It is a system, not just any one thing, that drives how the gun behaves.
Both guns had different stippling. So the green ported one could have been rotating/slipping in the hand? 🤷♂️
@@jerichorosaswhat pistol platform?
@@dsrrecordsent CZ 75 TS Czechmate. It’s set up for USPSA Open Divison.
The 9 major load is 124gr @ 1370 FPS, from my math I’m at around 45,000- 50,000 PSI chamber pressure (30,000 is around where most factory loads sit).
Just trying to make a point that compensators invert the relationship between felt recoil and bullet energy.
@@jerichorosas 1000% Thank for for the reply and explanation I totally understand the more energy the better the comp will work and your 9mm major loads are phenomenal! 124gr’s rolling at almost 1,400fps is 357MAG energy in an auto! That’s more than impressive and I bet you have NO problem knocking steel down my only question is what barrel length are you running?
Crack me up mica!! Glad to find the channel!!
I know you usually work with Garand Thumb but I really enjoy the content you are putting out on your own! Keep up the great work brother!
One thing that wasn’t tested was velocity. Ported barrels usually lose a lot of velocity. The radian setup doesn’t lose any from what I have seen. Excellent video one of the best if not the best I have seen making comparisons on these setups. Great work 💯
I actually did some research on this and found it to be such a negligible loss in velocity it wasn’t worth mentioning. (30 fps being the high end and 5-15 fps on average)
@@micahmayfield oh nice, appreciate the response and added info
I ran with a ported Glock for a little bit and it kinda sucked. Made the tritium/phosphorous paint on my front iron sights completely covered in carbon after several rounds. It also made cleaning the internals more of a hassle as it gunked up more
@@Bingalzwe’re you running straight line ports ? I think a chunk port would be better since it would move the front sight behind the chunk port and only the front of the barrel and slide would get dirty as opposed to the straight line comps take up a bigger amount of the barrel /slide
I want ALL the Glockness, I want a port, a comp, a 10-inch suppressor, stippling, extended mag, switch……
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WHAT DID HE SAY AT THE END THERE
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@@johnthomson2377 someone somewhere said “better rufus than me” and really stood by it
Dope video, I'm digging the longer format.
Best video yet, Micah. Loved the format of this one.
I'd lean toward a comp because it doesn't require as much (if any) permanent modification
Especially the Radian, since it doesn't use a threaded barrel and can be swapped with ease.
Another negative aspect to the ported barrel, as Nightwood Guns showed on his tests of comps vs ports on his channel, is that when shot from retention ports will shoot out micro fragments of the bullet out of the ports, thus potentially causing injuries to yourself. He demonstrated this and had shrapnel wounds all along his support arm.
He had a really good video. I used his finding to make a decision on my edc
(Went with radian afterburner, I have kids and if worse comes to worse and shtf I don’t want to be holding baby in arms with ports)
@@seltiks911 absolutely. Gas isn’t comfortable but ultimately isn’t going to hurt any unintended targets.
Those fragments are flying upwards though. Not backwards.
Could be a eye hazard if you like to hip fire with your ported gun
@@jason200912 that’s why I said “shooting from retention” which is a situation that could happen. Something to consider.
Major downside for sure. Trying to find tests to see if the same shrapnel issue is true for a comped barrel or a internal comped barrel.
I have the afterburner and i carry it appendix and I don’t even notice the extra length. Love it.
Enjoyed this one, good blend of info and comedy.
While the force is greater coming from a barrel port, the torque arm is longer with a front mounted compensator. The additional weight out front helps with muzzle flip too. For IWB--> ported. OWB-->comped
Hang a heavy lead flashlight and there you go, even more weight.
Add a silencer too for more weight
Even tho the ported barrel's are alleged to have minimal velocity loss, I've always wanted to see a side by side comparison of how defensive ammunition is effected by the velocity of the ported barrel. Its hard to find ballistic gel comparisons of the two. I feel you and GT have the platforms to provide the the industry the information needed to make an informed decision.
I think you loose about 100 fps with ported and none with comp. I'd like to see a comparison also. Comp still has a full barrel is probably why it's not effected.
@dduffy8245
People are spamming it in the comments and even Micah said it himself in the comment section responses.
He lost 15-30 fps from ports so don't worry about it. It'd like losing half a mm of barrel length haha.
@@jason200912 I understand, a lot of what ive read about the ported barrels shows minimal fps loss, however, defensive ammunition is designed for specific FPS's, so I think it would be interesting to see if the minimal FPS loss effected the expansion and penetration of the bullet.
@@scottrenner1576 hollow points perform better with lower fps generally.
One exception might be ranger talons which are very unreliable and require super long barrels or the bullet won't open up due to regular clothing.
Federal HST, Gold Speer both seem to have no difference whether +p or standard is used. With the exception that 147 HST penetrates 2 inches less at 15" at standard load.
If the defensive ammo offers a +p option, it's usually better to take it unless you specifically want 147 HST which for lower penetration.
Corbon, barnes XPD, Vortac all use the exact same bullet and in my opinion are the best, most reliable 9mm hollowpoint that expands exactly to double the 9mm original bullet unlike HST and gold dot which only achieve about 150% diameter. The XPD bullets penetrate 13 inches of gel which means it can probably only be used for direct bullet to attacker purposes and cannot be used for punching barriers that you get with 18" gel punchers.
I have my Glock slide cut by LWS with the Afterburner set up. Looks great and works even better.
Ahhhhh, the toys are awesome! A lot create content but you guys are making quality content look easy like it should be. Great job and review!
This was a really well done video. I don't have any ports or comps on my pistols, but it was fascinating to see how much they do.
Now I'm curious if port or comp would do better or worse with a .45 due to the lower speed and bigger caliber.
I run the radian ramjet & afterburner. It’s a game changer. The barrel length is negligible. My Glock 19 still fits in my iwb holster. It’s worth it.
Are you still using a glock 19 holster?
from what i see the pmm is better
@@straplyfedjbut it’s way too long
@@oscarcortez5863 not the pmm micro comp. Its about the same size as the radian. And from many videos i see its better.
@@straplyfedj people like the radian because it’s smaller and doesn’t add too much length, looks aesthetically pleasing. On top of that it’s a thread-less design which makes it 50 state legal
Thanks for clearing up a huge question. It was as entertaining as it was informative. Cheers 🍻
God that ported one is gorgeous. Awesome video man this kind of stuff helps the entire gun community so much.
About 17 pistols and not a single Glock but that ramjet may make me go get a G45
Woulda been cool to see a pmm 320 to compete
a PMM Micro JTC would have been the appropriate barrel/comp choice for this.
Videos are getting better and better. Great job Mr. Mayfield
is this guy being astroturfed? how does he have so many guns and such good filming with so few subs? love his vids but it's crazy.
Love the videos man!!!!!!
Still holding out hope that LWS and KitResources release an unported version of their Tomahawk slide. Would look great with the Radian Afterburner
Shoot kit a msg
I’d be down for a run of them.
@@-LWS- Well damn son! If it happens, mark me down as a buyer!
First comment! for the algorithm gods
Loved the quality and content…🙏🏾
Really good idea for a video, like comps vs breaks would be another good video!
One thing to tally up in the Ports' favor is that you don't need a hex key to take it apart for cleaning. I will 100% misplace it and have to bring one home from my work toolbox, then lose that one too.
I'm going to port your comp, if you know what I mean.
Micah this video is fantastic. I'm proud to have seen you become a very entertaining yet objective youtuber, virtually overnight! Keep up the great work man, I'll be watching each video. \\
Well done video brother, very informative. For me, I'd probably go with the compensator. The added length is definitely made up for by the fact that i can do it myself. BUT, that being said, if it were a case of simply deciding which one to buy already done...... I'd probably go with ported just because ive never tried ports AND of course I value Charlie's opinion.
I wonder if you lose any significant amount of velocity with a ported barrel vs the comp ?
No, the bullet leaves before the gases can slow your fps. But that ported barrel and slide will through so much trash in your eyes and the fire ball. idk if I would edc it. Along with those slide cuts..if you drop the gun the slide can and will brake
@@SpaceRanger187I use a ported G19 and there's no debris back in my eyes. However the slide does get fouled much quicker. The fireball is no more visible than my standard G23 clone.
Speaking from experience: Get an extended / ported past-the-end-of-the-slide barrel, as your front sight won't get obscured by carbon after one magazine...
aiming at the mag that wouldn't eject had me laughing! good one, much love, Micah!
Dope vid! Good info! Should do a vid on that G9 ammo
I wonder if there is a reduction in velocity from a ported barrel.
Curious of that myself
There is, 5-10% loss is average
3 to 5% loss max from ported. I’m running a Zev hype comp & my velocity loss to a solid unported barrel is actually 2.3 to 2.5% max. So it’s VERY minimal…. We’re talking 50 to 80fps.
I’ve got a 20$ eBay compensator on my $300 PSA dagger. Mf shoots better than my 19c 😂 💀
dude thanks for doing some nvg content. every time I watch a GT video I always want to see some night time shooting. solid video
Love the chanel hope it it takes off to the moon, your great to watch and awesome info
Love the videos micah
Lets goooo. Awesome way to start a Monday. 🔥 🎥
Thanks again Micah
And crew
I really liked the music in general, classical was fitting in that particular piece, the little piece of music just before the night shooting because it was originally used the mid 1970’s motorcycle movie On Any Sunday with the legendary Steve McQueen, motorcycle riding and racing was a huge thing in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s that real men did, but the influx of illegal Allen’s with mother F’in soccer has killed the off road riding and racing of motorcycles, and then the house music which is all like Big 80’s night club music.
Thanks again for some real knowledgeable information on ports and breaks.
I decided to do both. A ported compensated barrel. I’m not taking any chances…
In a sea of misinformation that is the Internet I really appreciate finding an honest review like this. Like just facts and even an "I don't know" like thank you so much for being honest with us. Like I don't want to buy an opinion, I want to buy something reliable that I can trust my life with. Thanks for the hard work friend
Best video you've done to date!!!
Dude you are crush’n it Homie 👍🏾 Fireazz Content 🔥
The shots at blue hairs lol love it micah
Wild question, what jacket is that? Looks great in the wind? Love the videos bro! Thanks!
Great work gents! Solid comparison!
The aimbot towards the stick mag was priceless 🤣🤣✌🤘
Love the badlands jellos! They are crispy! The 124s they have out now are awesome!
If a compensator can be twisted on to a threaded barrel, that is way better than ports because you can easily switch to a suppressor without changing barrels.
Fun stuff! Thanks!
Sheeeeeesh
That music was giving me serious Space Cadet 3D Pinball vibes and I love it!
I bought a G20 length barrel with ports for my G29. It has the ports in the end of the barrel, so I didn't need to have any work done on it, simple barrel swap. Really tamed the snap.
Awesome video. I'd legit watch a movie directed and filmed by Micah. Dude is so talented and entertaining.
Awesome video, thanks! 🤙🏼
I love the ports!!! I just did the unboxing of the Ported G19C on my page and can’t wait for range day🔥🔥🔥
The Cinematography just keeps getting better.
i'll take both...thanks micah...dope vid...
A Micah video?!? Let’s go!!!!!!
This is a completely important topic.
Cool info! I’d add that the biggest benefit to a comp is that the end of the barrel becomes a striking weapon. You don’t have to worry about pushing your firearm out of battery in a self defense scenario unlike either a ported or unmodified firearm.
I‘m not sure this makes sense. Pushing the comp back will push the barrel and slide back and out of battery since the comp is m attached to the barrel. Essentially it’s no different than pushing back the barrel ans slide without a comp. A weaponlight that extends past the muzzle will however act as a stand off device.
@@Bisley1 a weapon light for sure! But my thinking isn’t necessarily that it could be used as a stand off device in the sense that you could brace up against cover and take a shot, but rather that you could punch forward in a natural motion and you wouldn’t push the gun out of battery. Most semi autos use a locking mechanism that’s cycled by the slide itself pushing on releases and pushing the barrel into the right position, so if the burden is on the barrel to be the strike face rather than the slide you’ll be less likely to push your gun out of battery. This all of course being secondary to all the other benefits of a comp, but I’d still personally like to be able to throw a solid punch over being forced to try and hit something with the grip of the pistol with an axe style swing. But absolutely, add the weapon light for a bit of extra assurance and honestly heft lol
Cqb breaching classes would tell you to get into the habit of keeping your gun close to yourself and not far out there as if you wanna jab somebody in the belly with it.
It's fine with a rifle but the only time to do that is if you're out of ammo or need to inflict non lethal
I ordered my PC Shield Plus with a ported 4" barrel for less than $50 over the non-ported version. So no wait time for sending it out, no extra weight or size changes either. Also there was a more technical video on porting vs. comp, & porting was found to be more effective. But both are very close.
Congrats - you bought yourself the highest level EDC ever created. I own a 3.1'' shield plus, 4'' shield plus PC, and a 5'' M&P Performance Center. All of them hooked up with 3lb Overwatch Precision TAC triggers. Honestly no glock could ever compare. The only "Glocks" I have that come close are clones that are in no way a Glock except for the internal parts.
The track in the 2nd half of the video slaps!
Your humor is top notch.