The woman who closed the S&D JR, Barbara Castle. The whole region that that railway served is now a complete and utter nightmare for public transport. Stupidity gone beserk. Too many people with fingers in the road construction pie. Slighting the railways in favour of the roads was folly, and only now they beging to learn. Too late as usual. If railways were loss making, how much to construct the roads, and what cost now to maintain them? Lunacy!
Beeching technically never closed any railways-Beeching only PROPOSED closures-the actual closure decision could only be made by the Minister for Transport. In terms of volume of closures I believe Barbara Castle was about even with Ernest Marples and Tom Fraser before her, but she did overlook some of the more controversial closures like the Great Central Main Line, Somerset & Dorset Line, and Varsity Line (which wasn't even listed for closure in the Beeching Report). Ernest Marples was the Conservative Minister for Transport who kicked off the Beeching cuts in 1963. The Labour Party campaigned on a promise to halt the closures in the 1964 election, and won by a narrow margain. However, the new Minister for Transport Tom Fraser allowed the closures to go on ahead, initially claiming that he could not reverse the closure decisions made by his predecessor. This was not true, and in fact we even have internal memos from the time that show the Labour government knew they were lying about this. Even so, they (and the Conservative government that succeeded them in 1970) continued to implement the Beeching closures temselves, even after the Transport Act 1968 was passed which was supposed to allow unprofitable yet socially necessary lines to be subsidized. The mass closure program outlined in the Beeching Report ended sometime around 1973 (the complicated nature of these things means there is no definitive end point). After the Beeching cuts, there were a few more isolated incidents of line closures like Morecambe to Heysham Harbour in 1975, Haltwhistle to Alston in 1976, and Glasgow Central to Kilmacolm via Paisley Canal in 1983. The British Rail network reached it's smallest size on 15th May 1983 when the line from Woodside to Sanderstead in South London closed. There have only been a small handful of closures since, and a slow but steady stream of new stations or old ones re-opening.
Yeah beeching was merely a consultant, as stated in the recent books on him. A few of the lines closed were not even recommended for closure by him. The serpell report was even worse than beeching which would have left nothing but mostly mainlines
When I was a lad all bus journeys within Sheffield were 2p and it was very frequent. But at the same time we had the most expensive council rates in the country.
Metro: "The average fare is 3 pence" lol You need a second mortgage to use what is now an out of date, unreliable service that is still using those same trains that are nearly 40 years old.
I know this sounds harsh but if those rural lines were not closed in the beeching era i sure they would have shut not long after. Some of these rural areas cant sustain a bus service let alone a rail line
Were fuel taxes paying for all the roads? not including buses? or were the roads and/or parking receiving additional subsidies? I don't believe transport should be subsidized at all because such subsidies discourage telecommuting, education and shopping by internet etc. So if we need to get people out of their cars, then we need to tax cars, or motor fuel enough to do so, not subsidize public transport. Of course many road right of ways are probably 1000 years old, which gives them an advantage in that they don't have to be purchased, so that inherent subsidy needs to be adjusted for.
I think your plans would completely wreak the local economy in many areas. More business would be hovered up by multinational retailers and jobs could easily be offshored.
Ms Castle made Beeching look like a back street taylor with the cut's she did
Mrs, not Ms
You are comparing a report author who never closed a line with a minister who did. Better to compare Marples and Castle.
The woman who closed the S&D JR, Barbara Castle. The whole region that that railway served is now a complete and utter nightmare for public transport. Stupidity gone beserk. Too many people with fingers in the road construction pie. Slighting the railways in favour of the roads was folly, and only now they beging to learn. Too late as usual. If railways were loss making, how much to construct the roads, and what cost now to maintain them? Lunacy!
Is it right this woman closed more miles of track and stations than Beeching?
Beeching technically never closed any railways-Beeching only PROPOSED closures-the actual closure decision could only be made by the Minister for Transport. In terms of volume of closures I believe Barbara Castle was about even with Ernest Marples and Tom Fraser before her, but she did overlook some of the more controversial closures like the Great Central Main Line, Somerset & Dorset Line, and Varsity Line (which wasn't even listed for closure in the Beeching Report).
Ernest Marples was the Conservative Minister for Transport who kicked off the Beeching cuts in 1963. The Labour Party campaigned on a promise to halt the closures in the 1964 election, and won by a narrow margain. However, the new Minister for Transport Tom Fraser allowed the closures to go on ahead, initially claiming that he could not reverse the closure decisions made by his predecessor. This was not true, and in fact we even have internal memos from the time that show the Labour government knew they were lying about this. Even so, they (and the Conservative government that succeeded them in 1970) continued to implement the Beeching closures temselves, even after the Transport Act 1968 was passed which was supposed to allow unprofitable yet socially necessary lines to be subsidized.
The mass closure program outlined in the Beeching Report ended sometime around 1973 (the complicated nature of these things means there is no definitive end point). After the Beeching cuts, there were a few more isolated incidents of line closures like Morecambe to Heysham Harbour in 1975, Haltwhistle to Alston in 1976, and Glasgow Central to Kilmacolm via Paisley Canal in 1983. The British Rail network reached it's smallest size on 15th May 1983 when the line from Woodside to Sanderstead in South London closed. There have only been a small handful of closures since, and a slow but steady stream of new stations or old ones re-opening.
Has any good ever come out of ANY Tory policy?
Yeah beeching was merely a consultant, as stated in the recent books on him. A few of the lines closed were not even recommended for closure by him. The serpell report was even worse than beeching which would have left nothing but mostly mainlines
Yes. The Labour government she was part of had said they would halt the closure programme. They didn’t.
Typical of all governments Labour and Tory doesnt say much when they cant even run public transport how do they run the rest of the country?
THIS HAS BEEN A PARTY POLITICAL BROADCAST
BY AND FOR THE LABOUR PARTY
Better than the Tories.
It’s July 2020 and then pacer trains are still running
Revenue from cars is what its all about. Tax on fuel. Car tax. Vat. Fines. Parking.
CHEERS SOUTH YORKSHIRE!! WELL DONE! A full on socialist transport policy that is an unmitigated success! Take that, naysayers! Nyah nyah nyah!
When I was a lad all bus journeys within Sheffield were 2p and it was very frequent. But at the same time we had the most expensive council rates in the country.
Metro: "The average fare is 3 pence" lol You need a second mortgage to use what is now an out of date, unreliable service that is still using those same trains that are nearly 40 years old.
I know this sounds harsh but if those rural lines were not closed in the beeching era i sure they would have shut not long after. Some of these rural areas cant sustain a bus service let alone a rail line
Many rural lines were closed before the publication of the Beeching report.
Were fuel taxes paying for all the roads? not including buses? or were the roads and/or parking receiving additional subsidies?
I don't believe transport should be subsidized at all because such subsidies discourage telecommuting, education and shopping by internet etc. So if we need to get people out of their cars, then we need to tax cars, or motor fuel enough to do so, not subsidize public transport.
Of course many road right of ways are probably 1000 years old, which gives them an advantage in that they don't have to be purchased, so that inherent subsidy needs to be adjusted for.
How about taxing cars and give that money to public transport?
Sadly too toxic for Politician’s of all parties that require motorists votes to get into power.
I think your plans would completely wreak the local economy in many areas. More business would be hovered up by multinational retailers and jobs could easily be offshored.
@@Subvenio bull
@@martinbitter4162 No, tax all transport to fund housing and rural internet.