Great Video. Helped me a lot setting up. Is it possible to have a separate FX instance and route send to other instances or do you have to have the effects in every instance?
In my latest template, I have groups of instruments in my Logic template (Strings, Winds, Brass etc) and have FX Busses for each group of instruments. I try to keep all FX in my DAW, but this is personal preference!
Great start up videos, very clear and easy to follow. Thanks, made my life a lot easier. Any chance you can do some on some on Cubase itself, come to Cubase from Logic and instructional videos on a new system are always handy and appreciated.
I love Cubase but not being able to apply sends to MIDI channels makes this a massive pain in the ass. I’m using a few main reverbs and need a different amount applied to each of my instruments-this means VEPro either only has 1 instrument per group tab or for every MIDI channel I have to create an audio output channel to apply the sends to. Either way it’s cluttered and disorganized.
Maybe the REAL ONLY ONE tutorial (this and the previous about the hardware side) about how to setting up a VEP network! TNX man! Yeah... i have a lot of questions... but just picking up the most important ones for my studio project that involve - over the use of a master PC and 2 or 3 slaves (i have the EW Composer Cloud too but also a lot of other libraries on Kontakt and a lot of other synth plugins) - even the use of a Waves SoundGrid system for running a lot realtime fx plugins (mostly Waves) AND, for this purpose, a dedicated audio interface (Apogee Symphony with 32+32 I/O). So the questions are 1) the MIDI (or MIDI over USB) connection(s) with your master keyboard or other midi controllers are on the MAIN computer or on the SLAVES? 2) the FX plugins need to be installed on the SLAVE like the instruments plugins? 3) If you have plugins that need an iLock (type II or III) usb key do you need to have 2 of them (for the MASTER and the SLAVE) like the Steinberg usb key? 4) in YOUR rig the audio interface is installed on the MASTER pc or on the SLAVE? 5) the SoundGrid system needs 3 components to work: a) the pc with the installed plugins ( the SLAVE with the server part of VEP); b) a SoundGrid server that is the unit that offload the pc for the pluging processing (and i think this must be installed via cat5 ethernet on the SERVER pc too); c) AND a specific audio interface compatible with the SoundGrid system (the Apogee i mentioned before) for the realtime no-latency processing (specs sayz less than 0.8ms!!!). So i think that even the Apogee audio interface need to be installed on the SERVER. But... if the MASTER pc needs and audio interface too (for recording and playing on Cubase)... so i need 2 audio intefaces (one on the MASTER for all the VST instruments plugins) and the Apogee on the SERVER for the audio tracking with realtime fxs (for the mics and all the "real" instruments)?. I'm a bit (actually A LOT) confusing about this setting! 6) you say that you build templates with undred of tracks... so what are the specs of the SERVER pc to do this? I think that because all the hard work is done by the servers so they must be the most powerfull pcs... not the MASTER pc. It is correct? Apologize for my bad english and for so many questions... but hey... now you are THe MAN about DAW network! ;-) Tnx in advance. Cheers.
This is gr8.., thanks for the guide.. Do u knw the way of doing same with the efx as insert point like the waves studiogrid. That would be help for may users who have laptop or older CPUs.
Great stuff! So, how does steinberg's VST System Link work? I'd like to understand because knowledge is power. And, I would like to be able to see and understand the differences for myself.
Thx a lot for your Tutorials I’ learning a lot once more great job Thx. Can you tell me please how do you connect your system to the sound card. I‘m trying to connect a MacBook Pro with a PC. My sound card is a RME. If I connect the Pc ( slave ) and the Mac I have a lot of crackles.
Crackles can be caused by several things, my best guess would be your latency settings - try using a higher latency in your audio settings. What DAW are you using?
OK So you want to try increasing your buffer size and see how you get on: Go to Devices > Device Setup. Choose VST Audio System on the right. Make sure your interface is selected in the drop down menu at the top. Select your interface under VST Audio System from the list on the right. Click Control Panel. Choose your buffer size from the drop down menu.
Yeah it works on Logic too! - It works on all Major DAW's, with that said, please check to make sure it's compatible with your system before you buy it :)
I received a template in which there are already 45 contact players, I can connect them to the program viena ensemble pro?..if it can be done you can't help tell how to do it thank you very much.Sorry for the mistakes, I'm just using Google Translate.
Nice tutorial! But how could I learn cc control with my DAW controller through the ethernet? Before I just opened the VST interface in my sequencer, right click any faders or knobs and got control with.
thank for your tutorial,it was a good help for me.I'm a protools 12 and reason 9 user. Concerning protools it's not a problem to cennect with VEP but for reason I don't know how.Maybe you can have a solution
yes I use the rewire. After installing VEP on my system I can find , inside reason , vienna input.It means that reason recogniize VEP or somes of its components.
Hey thx for this, great info...When you record into the main DAW are you recording audio or midi? Is there a way to record both so you can make changes? Thanks!
hi thanks good video just have two question. will i need two elicenser one for each computer if so why? and does each computer share the same ip address and will any ip address work?
Hey, thank you. I do wish you had been a bit straighter in your presentation and taken it more slowly however. Don't be nervous thinking that you're being boring. Not everyone knows Cubase, not everyone knows East West.
I have bad experiences with using VEPro 5 and 6 between 2 macs - MacPro and Macbook Pro. Much easier and much stable, and not complicated is installation of simple ipMIDI soft (20 ports of MIDI over LAN), additional interface audio or digital output from slave comp. That's it. On slave comp. you run host app (like RAX, V-stack etc.) or directly standalone VST. For example opening standalone Kontakt you can use 64 for independence instr. If you need more - simply run second instance of Kontakt.
Great video man! I've got a question for you. I have been battling with these whole VEPRO (Slave) / DAW (Main Machine) Dynamics for quite some time. I can't optimize my performance (VEPRO shows 33%-42% even when nothing is playing). I have a large template - iMac retina 5k main and PC Octacore 64GB, SSDs etc etc.. My question is - Right not I have 2 big Instances into one server project (which it was called vframes and Metaframes before VEPRO6). Do you think I will get better performance by using 10+ separate instances (ie. splitting up my two big instances into smaller chunks)? What do you recommend? I'm also not sure what to do with the multi core threading setup in VEPRO... I really appreciate the help. Thanks a lot! PS: I just got Cubase Pro 10, migrating from Logic X
Hey Gabriel, thanks for your comment. Firstly you will find that cubase will handle it much better than logic. I'm not sure why, but I have found logic crashes and struggles to handle VEP much more than cubase. That isn't a knock on Logic, I use it daily! - also, I find that if you have your buffer set to "none", it uses a lot of resources when idle. I would say get into the habit of increasing the buffer, even if it's only for playback! I have tried both many instances and a few instances in my project and I didn't really see a huge difference in performance. Hope this helps!
Great instruction thanks so much! This is very helpful! What are the specs used for your slave PC. Do you recommend 32Gb RAM? What about the hard drives? 7200RPM cheaper than SSD of course, but you sacrifice r/w speeds. Would a RAID 5 be of value in the slave setup?
32gb of RAM would be plenty, I'd always recommend SSD where possible, however if you don't have the budget the I'd say make sure your drives are internal rather than external by USB. Not sure if raid 5 would help!
Hi there, thank you for this two tutorials, very helpful! I've a question about mixing. What if I wish mix inside Cubase? Can I get separate audio inputs for each instrument that is running in the server? I have an Apogee Ensemble audio device connected to my MBP with an UAD satellite both connected via Thunderbolt. I wish I can mix in Cubase and not in the Vienna Mixer. How does it work for routing each audio channel to my DAW?
Marco Viale: Do the following in Vienna Ensemble: - Select the bus/channel (that you want to mix in Cubase) > - Go to Channel menu > - Insert Input>> _Your_channel_name_ >> _Your_channel_name_2._ Now you have a new channel coupled with the original one. - may help to assign the same OUT to the added channel and the original bus/channel/track, (e.g. out1 / out 2). Given that you set your MIDI routing stuff correctly in both Cubase and Vienna, this should create separate out channel in your DAW's mixture, hopefully without the need to do extra stuff:) Worked for me in FL and I believe it will work in Cubase b/c it's Vienna dependent.
I just bought a Vienna Key (looks the same) which I plan to transfer my Vienna licenses to. I'll keep my Steinberg key on my master with the Cubase license. Hopefully it works.
Hello, thank you very much for these tutorial videos that help us so much to the people that we started. I have some doubts, I work with iMac 27 "5k 3.5GHz and 32GB Ram (2014) as Master and Cubase Pro 9.5 and VePro 6 and iPad with Lemur, now I have bought another computer i7-8700k 3.7GHz 64Gb Ram to support the weight of the softwares that will be the slave computer and with windows 10 64 bits, and my doubts are, I have an e-Licenser USB key that I suppose will be valid for the second license of VePro 6 on the slave computer and I have to buy another software from Cubase Pro 9.5 whole? and in the slave computer with Windows (Cubase, VePro 6, Kontakt 5 and all the softwares that I install), I will have to download them for windows? I bought another screen, if it is going to be a slave computer, I connect it directly to the master computer (iMac 27) Thunderbolt 2 to Display Point 1.2 or to the slave computer? The connection of the computers I have put them as you said, via Ethernet with the Swicht Gigabit device. Now I am full of doubts I hope you help me understand this new work philosophy. Thank you very much.
fausto gomez gonzalez for Cubase you will need a second elicense key and you just have to transfer the cubase license to the new one to use on your main machine. With your other plugins such as Kontact etc, you should put them on your slave machine, if you have a license for those it should work on both windows and mac. With your screen, I would use a second screen on the main computer and connect to the slave with teamviewer. Hope this helps!
Yeah provided it's a Windows OS. All of my libraries are on a server running Windows server 2012, and whilst vsl support initially told me that it's not officially supported, it has worked without a single issue for me :-)
Not particularly, it’s essentially like having another computer on windows. server edition is just optimised for high performance! Everything would work exactly the same as in the videos here, just the desktop loos a bit different! :)
Nicely done; well worth the wait! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Thanks! :)
Dude I’ve been looking for this information for so long, thanks!
Great Video. Helped me a lot setting up. Is it possible to have a separate FX instance and route send to other instances or do you have to have the effects in every instance?
In my latest template, I have groups of instruments in my Logic template (Strings, Winds, Brass etc) and have FX Busses for each group of instruments.
I try to keep all FX in my DAW, but this is personal preference!
One word D-Esser!
Please do a REAPER version. Thanks
Great start up videos, very clear and easy to follow. Thanks, made my life a lot easier. Any chance you can do some on some on Cubase itself, come to Cubase from Logic and instructional videos on a new system are always handy and appreciated.
thanks well explained
Thanks you! :)
Awesome tutorial! Is there a way you can explain step by step how to synchronise Vienna and Digital Performer? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for tutorial
Thanks for that video! How do you record processed stems back into cubase?
Very Great Info, thank You for this!
Thank you! :)
Thank you. Brilliant. The missing link!
Good job on video I will subscribe
How to connect two pcs.. About the ip address😊
Great Video!!!
Great! can you please show how much latency you have? and do you need an internet switch too or a single router is fine? thanks :)
You can use the router if it's close by. The only reason I use a switch is because the router is far away!
I love Cubase but not being able to apply sends to MIDI channels makes this a massive pain in the ass. I’m using a few main reverbs and need a different amount applied to each of my instruments-this means VEPro either only has 1 instrument per group tab or for every MIDI channel I have to create an audio output channel to apply the sends to. Either way it’s cluttered and disorganized.
Maybe the REAL ONLY ONE tutorial (this and the previous about the hardware side) about how to setting up a VEP network! TNX man!
Yeah... i have a lot of questions... but just picking up the most important ones for my studio project that involve - over the use of a master PC and 2 or 3 slaves (i have the EW Composer Cloud too but also a lot of other libraries on Kontakt and a lot of other synth plugins) - even the use of a Waves SoundGrid system for running a lot realtime fx plugins (mostly Waves) AND, for this purpose, a dedicated audio interface (Apogee Symphony with 32+32 I/O). So the questions are
1) the MIDI (or MIDI over USB) connection(s) with your master keyboard or other midi controllers are on the MAIN computer or on the SLAVES?
2) the FX plugins need to be installed on the SLAVE like the instruments plugins?
3) If you have plugins that need an iLock (type II or III) usb key do you need to have 2 of them (for the MASTER and the SLAVE) like the Steinberg usb key?
4) in YOUR rig the audio interface is installed on the MASTER pc or on the SLAVE?
5) the SoundGrid system needs 3 components to work: a) the pc with the installed plugins ( the SLAVE with the server part of VEP); b) a SoundGrid server that is the unit that offload the pc for the pluging processing (and i think this must be installed via cat5 ethernet on the SERVER pc too); c) AND a specific audio interface compatible with the SoundGrid system (the Apogee i mentioned before) for the realtime no-latency processing (specs sayz less than 0.8ms!!!). So i think that even the Apogee audio interface need to be installed on the SERVER. But... if the MASTER pc needs and audio interface too (for recording and playing on Cubase)... so i need 2 audio intefaces (one on the MASTER for all the VST instruments plugins) and the Apogee on the SERVER for the audio tracking with realtime fxs (for the mics and all the "real" instruments)?. I'm a bit (actually A LOT) confusing about this setting!
6) you say that you build templates with undred of tracks... so what are the specs of the SERVER pc to do this? I think that because all the hard work is done by the servers so they must be the most powerfull pcs... not the MASTER pc. It is correct?
Apologize for my bad english and for so many questions... but hey... now you are THe MAN about DAW network! ;-)
Tnx in advance. Cheers.
This is gr8.., thanks for the guide.. Do u knw the way of doing same with the efx as insert point like the waves studiogrid. That would be help for may users who have laptop or older CPUs.
Great stuff!
So, how does steinberg's VST System Link work? I'd like to understand because knowledge is power. And, I would like to be able to see and understand the differences for myself.
Thx a lot for your Tutorials I’ learning a lot once more great job Thx.
Can you tell me please how do you connect your system to the sound card.
I‘m trying to connect a MacBook Pro with a PC. My sound card is a RME.
If I connect the Pc ( slave ) and the Mac I have a lot of crackles.
Crackles can be caused by several things, my best guess would be your latency settings - try using a higher latency in your audio settings. What DAW are you using?
My DAW is Cubase 9.5 Pro t
OK So you want to try increasing your buffer size and see how you get on:
Go to Devices > Device Setup.
Choose VST Audio System on the right.
Make sure your interface is selected in the drop down menu at the top.
Select your interface under VST Audio System from the list on the right.
Click Control Panel.
Choose your buffer size from the drop down menu.
Thanx, great video! I'm planning to replace an old i7 iMac with a new one. Could I use the old as a Vienna Ensemble Pro Server for Logic as well?
Yeah it works on Logic too! - It works on all Major DAW's, with that said, please check to make sure it's compatible with your system before you buy it :)
I received a template in which there are already 45 contact players, I can connect them to the program viena ensemble pro?..if it can be done you can't help tell how to do it thank you very much.Sorry for the mistakes, I'm just using Google Translate.
Nice tutorial! But how could I learn cc control with my DAW controller through the ethernet? Before I just opened the VST interface in my sequencer, right click any faders or knobs and got control with.
thank for your tutorial,it was a good help for me.I'm a protools 12 and reason 9 user. Concerning protools it's not a problem to cennect with VEP but for reason I don't know how.Maybe you can have a solution
I'm not sure VEP is compatible with Reason, I think your best bet would be to use ReWire with Pro Tools if you want the Reason sounds in your project!
yes I use the rewire.
After installing VEP on my system I can find , inside reason , vienna input.It means that reason recogniize VEP or somes of its components.
Odd, perhaps it's worth contacting VSL support, they are very responsive and have been a huge help for me in the past :)
yes good idea ,thanks
you should delete first the master bus?
how can I add a third slave computer? which one will become the server then?
Hey thx for this, great info...When you record into the main DAW are you recording audio or midi? Is there a way to record both so you can make changes? Thanks!
Everything is done in MIDI as you would normally :)
Hi, great video. How can you stay connected to your master computer and be online? Double LAN cable?
Hey, thank you! - it has to go through the router to assign and IP address, so you should still have internet :)
Buy a cheap switch gigabit
hi thanks good video just have two question. will i need two elicenser one for each computer if so why? and does each computer share the same ip address and will any ip address work?
Hey, thank you.
I do wish you had been a bit straighter in your presentation and taken it more slowly however.
Don't be nervous thinking that you're being boring. Not everyone knows Cubase, not everyone knows East West.
I have bad experiences with using VEPro 5 and 6 between 2 macs - MacPro and Macbook Pro. Much easier and much stable, and not complicated is installation of simple ipMIDI soft (20 ports of MIDI over LAN), additional interface audio or digital output from slave comp. That's it.
On slave comp. you run host app (like RAX, V-stack etc.) or directly standalone VST. For example opening standalone Kontakt you can use 64 for independence instr. If you need more - simply run second instance of Kontakt.
Great video man! I've got a question for you. I have been battling with these whole VEPRO (Slave) / DAW (Main Machine) Dynamics for quite some time. I can't optimize my performance (VEPRO shows 33%-42% even when nothing is playing). I have a large template - iMac retina 5k main and PC Octacore 64GB, SSDs etc etc.. My question is - Right not I have 2 big Instances into one server project (which it was called vframes and Metaframes before VEPRO6). Do you think I will get better performance by using 10+ separate instances (ie. splitting up my two big instances into smaller chunks)? What do you recommend? I'm also not sure what to do with the multi core threading setup in VEPRO... I really appreciate the help. Thanks a lot! PS: I just got Cubase Pro 10, migrating from Logic X
Hey Gabriel, thanks for your comment.
Firstly you will find that cubase will handle it much better than logic. I'm not sure why, but I have found logic crashes and struggles to handle VEP much more than cubase. That isn't a knock on Logic, I use it daily! - also, I find that if you have your buffer set to "none", it uses a lot of resources when idle. I would say get into the habit of increasing the buffer, even if it's only for playback!
I have tried both many instances and a few instances in my project and I didn't really see a huge difference in performance.
Hope this helps!
Please do a loGic Pro X version
What is the latency, can you control it?
Great instruction thanks so much! This is very helpful! What are the specs used for your slave PC. Do you recommend 32Gb RAM? What about the hard drives? 7200RPM cheaper than SSD of course, but you sacrifice r/w speeds. Would a RAID 5 be of value in the slave setup?
32gb of RAM would be plenty, I'd always recommend SSD where possible, however if you don't have the budget the I'd say make sure your drives are internal rather than external by USB. Not sure if raid 5 would help!
Hi there, thank you for this two tutorials, very helpful!
I've a question about mixing. What if I wish mix inside Cubase? Can I get separate audio inputs for each instrument that is running in the server? I have an Apogee Ensemble audio device connected to my MBP with an UAD satellite both connected via Thunderbolt. I wish I can mix in Cubase and not in the Vienna Mixer. How does it work for routing each audio channel to my DAW?
Marco Viale:
Do the following in Vienna Ensemble:
- Select the bus/channel (that you want to mix in Cubase) >
- Go to Channel menu >
- Insert Input>> _Your_channel_name_ >> _Your_channel_name_2._
Now you have a new channel coupled with the original one.
- may help to assign the same OUT to the added channel and the original bus/channel/track, (e.g. out1 / out 2).
Given that you set your MIDI routing stuff correctly in both Cubase and Vienna, this should create separate out channel in your DAW's mixture, hopefully without the need to do extra stuff:)
Worked for me in FL and I believe it will work in Cubase b/c it's Vienna dependent.
instrument vst only?
I don't understand why you would require a cubase protection dongle for the slave since VEP does not use Cubase? Am I missing something here?
VE Pro uses the Steinberg dongle to hold the license :)
It would have been better if it were ilok. Wouldn't have had to go out and buy another dongle! Too many dongles!!!!
@@AtomicAudioOfficial 3 dongles taking up valuable space ..ugghhh
@@engx3733 Yep, I do love the new iLok Cloud though, certainly the way forward :)
I just bought a Vienna Key (looks the same) which I plan to transfer my Vienna licenses to. I'll keep my Steinberg key on my master with the Cubase license. Hopefully it works.
Hello, thank you very much for these tutorial videos that help us so much to the people that we started. I have some doubts, I work with iMac 27 "5k 3.5GHz and 32GB Ram (2014) as Master and Cubase Pro 9.5 and VePro 6 and iPad with Lemur, now I have bought another computer i7-8700k 3.7GHz 64Gb Ram to support the weight of the softwares that will be the slave computer and with windows 10 64 bits,
and my doubts are, I have an e-Licenser USB key that I suppose will be valid for the second license of VePro 6 on the slave computer and I have to buy another software from Cubase Pro 9.5 whole? and in the slave computer with Windows (Cubase, VePro 6, Kontakt 5 and all the softwares that I install), I will have to download them for windows? I bought another screen, if it is going to be a slave computer, I connect it directly to the master computer (iMac 27) Thunderbolt 2 to Display Point 1.2 or to the slave computer? The connection of the computers I have put them as you said, via Ethernet with the Swicht Gigabit device. Now I am full of doubts I hope you help me understand this new work philosophy. Thank you very much.
fausto gomez gonzalez for Cubase you will need a second elicense key and you just have to transfer the cubase license to the new one to use on your main machine.
With your other plugins such as Kontact etc, you should put them on your slave machine, if you have a license for those it should work on both windows and mac.
With your screen, I would use a second screen on the main computer and connect to the slave with teamviewer.
Hope this helps!
Ok, i will try it. Thanks!!!
Can you run VEP on a server ( File Server) that holds all your sample Libraries?
Yeah provided it's a Windows OS. All of my libraries are on a server running Windows server 2012, and whilst vsl support initially told me that it's not officially supported, it has worked without a single issue for me :-)
Guess I needed a better understanding of windows server O.S...do I need to set it up as a file server..?
Not particularly, it’s essentially like having another computer on windows. server edition is just optimised for high performance!
Everything would work exactly the same as in the videos here, just the desktop loos a bit different! :)
Hi. Can you automate FX plugins from your slave machine? Thank you.
I have been told that this is possible however I have never tried it!
Thank you for your answer. Cheers! :)
Vienner?? Is it not spelled ViennA?