My take on the “WOKE” Harley drama. I am taking a BIG risk, please watch entire video!
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Woke is putting people in positions they dont deserve over people that do. Because of race or gender. My take on it,like it or not.
Thank you for your comments. However, just because you are choosing a different definition for the word, does not mean that that’s reality. I can’t arbitrarily choose what the word hamburger means. And words do mean specific things. If you want to communicate with other people, accuracy is the key to get understanding conveyed. and unless you were under 18 years of age, there’s no possible way that you can believe that women in minorities deserve the way they’ve been treated and the opportunities that they’ve been limited to.
Yet, you probably don’t have a single example of this happening. You’re simply parroting mass media and creating your own narrative.
@@Rollanotheronemyfriend What you’re describing is more along the lines of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) hiring, which is not the same as being “woke”.
@@TB7-X alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination is "Woke" I apologize for my mistake. I don't keep up with the B's and sometimes get them confused.
Evil is evil, if your neighbor is evil, it is a Christian's duty to call it out.
You have a lot of audacity to think that you are the one that gets to label what is evil.
Thank you for watching.
Thanks For Speaking The Truth... I've Scrolled Up And Down You-Tubes Time Line, Trying To Find Content Like Yours In Regards To This Harley Drama... People Take Words And Terms Like "Woke" And DEI And Crowbar Thier Own Definition Into The Original Definition... I Really Enjoy The Harley Culture, And Is Very Happy To Be A Harley Enthusiast... I Will Continue To Support The Brand As Long As They Make Great Bikes And Not Promote Any Racist Agendas 💯... I Agree With Everything You Said.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I do appreciate you.
@@simplybeingshipley Hell Yeah!! People Are Crazy Out Here... There's Nothing Wrong With Being Diverse.... And Woke Means Being Aware... Again These People Are Crazy HD Or Nothing 💯
I thank you for speaking your mind... and telling the TRUTH 💯
Thank you!
First I do think your point of view is anecdotal. Living in California and working at Harley I’d say at least half the riders that came in were something other than white, and we had entire clubs of women who came in regularly. Was there someone racist in the bunch? Probably but nothing that stood out.
So do you have a take on harley moving more and more operation to Thailand?
I’m currently in Colorado, but from Texas. The stereotype is really strong in both places when it comes to Harley, and clearly it’s still strong online. I do have some thoughts about Thailand, but I’m still thinking it through. I want to make sure I’m considering all angles before I weigh in
To me it’s all very simple. Be kind to everyone you encounter and stop being ignorant and scared of folks who don’t act or look like you. I’m a straight white Anglo male, but I’m educated and have been exposed to every culture and folks with a variety of sexual preferences. Darker folks inhabited these lands before your ancestors arrived and LGBTQ folks have been around since the Roman Empire, and probably before. It’s easy to discriminate and hate from afar (e.g. online or within your circle of friends), but sit down and have a drink with those you THINK you don’t like and I guarantee your view changes. It may be one of the “other” people who save’s your kid’s life one day. You still going to hate “them” after that?
Lastly, not buying a Harley is not going to hurt anyone but you. Harley will survive no doubt, but you’ll miss out on many years of riding enjoyment because of your ignorance. Are you seriously going to allow Harley’s effort to be more inclusive determine the type of motorcycle you love and ride? Do you think someone will see you on a Harley and think you’re gay simply because of Harley’s effort to be more inclusive?
Thank you for your well thought out comments
On a side note...I bought the jacket and the harley both secondhand so harley has never really benefited from me. I think the only actual harley dealership parts I've bought are two smoked taillight lenses. I'm not calling for anyone's extermination but I like my free speech too... and support yours. That don't mean I'm obliged to approve and support it though. That goes against what I believe. These companies main consumer base is straight males and always will be and most straight males won't buy into any of that lgbt agenda.
Respectfully, I disagree. Especially the main consumer base part. The reason Harley has been struggling the last couple decades is because of focusing on that customer base which is dwindling. Ride safe.
I'm a straight male and I do not see my sexuality as something to which the whole world must conform. I think all people should be treated decently and that is really all that "WOKE" means.
As adults I don’t care what you do … as long as you don’t push your lifestyle on me …when it affects children it’s over….. there is no place for children to be confused…or sexualized
I do appreciate your comments. I also think that there may be a little misunderstanding with the way that you ended your comment. Nobody is going to try to change your children. However, speaking from a background of having a child psychology degree and a double minor and social work and criminal justice, I can tell you that, humans are wired differently and are unique from any other human. If your children are born a certain way then they’re born a certain way. There’s nobody that can change them no matter how much they try. Also, in case that you need some supporting evidence of this all you have to do is google chromosome Combinations for sex genes. Not just XX or XY
@@robertjeffery6100 There is room for children, and adults to be confused, just as you’ve been confused about feelings and emotions many times in your life. Depending on who you are and how you were born, you’ll be confused about things that other people aren’t confused about. I think it’s important to respect these people’s feelings and listen to why they feel the way they do.
Haha I was gonna wear my nice harley jacket on a Minnesota to Tennessee trip at the end of this month but now I'll be wearing my Icon jacket instead. I'll be on a 99 valkyrie tourerer... also own a pre woke 93 heritage but I've kinda sworn off buying parts from harley till I see where all this CEO, dei, lgbt stuff is headed.
It appears if you did not watch the video all the way through. By the way Honda has had those WOKE values since the 70s, and is just about the most inclusive company that makes motorcycles.
@@simplybeingshipley I'll have to do some Honda research. Thanks for the info.
Thank you so much for such a good video. It needs to be heard.
@@mauricemidgley2862 thank you for watching and commenting! I do appreciate it
Thanks for this, a well reasoned and thoughtful piece. I agree with every word you said. To my mind anyone who uses the term 'woke' in this derogatory fashion immediately disbars themselves from having a relevant opinion on any subject.
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most qualified applicant should get the job. period. stepping even a little bit of that path has gotten us where we are.
i dont care if you are male or female, white, black, yellow green or purple.... the job should go to the person most capable of "flying the plane"
That is exactly the point. Up until now we’ve never followed that policy. Even when the law said so we’ve never followed that policy. It’s time for a change. Thank you for your insight and agree with me.
@@googoo-gjoob I agree, but we don’t like in a vacuum, and people and companies weren’t actually hiring the most qualified person for the job beca of their race, ethnicity, or sexual preference/lifestyle. I agree with you, but it’s an imperfect world and subject. I think it’s almost impossible to make hiring perfectly fair. There’s just too many factors and dynamics.
You’re wrong. DEI means that you have to hire based on race and sexual orientation just in the opposite. Choosing an employee based on their skin or other characteristics other than merit is discrimination no matter who it is. DEI is literally written in the many company charters we didn’t boil it down to that, they did.
Thank you for the comments. You are wrong. You are wrong in the sense of what DEI is. It is the enforcement of what has been the law for a long time. It prevent you from hiring somebody that is less qualified just because they’re white. Why isn’t that the racist, homophobes, or bigots always assume that the best person for the job is the white man? Because that’s what continues to happen.
By the way, I took a look at your page. Seems like your big Star Wars fan. You do realize that Star Wars universe from day one has been.”WOKE”? Do you see any female leaders of any importance in the empire? You noticed that the empire is 99% white male correct? It’s the rebels that are diversified. That’s one of the points that George Lucas is trying to make. I guess you missed it.
Having female leaders isn’t woke. It’s being a society based on merit. It is already codified in law that you can’t discriminate on basis of race, religion, gender, or any immutable characteristic. We don’t need DEI. I have personally been passed over for jobs and promotions in favor of those less qualified (i.e. not having as many years of experience, training, certifications, etc) just because the other applicant was a woman. I see it all the time in engineering especially. There aren’t as many women in the field so they often move up the ladder faster to satisfy DEI. People should be hired as though there were no characteristics other than merit. Nothing else should be weighed or cared about. I don’t disagree with women having the same rights as men, I disagree with preferencial treatment for any group.
We’re talking in circles now. White men have always been preferred. Regardless of what the law has said minorities and women have always been passed over. Are you under the impression that it’s always white men that are the most qualified? Because then your true bias comes out.you’re using the argument that is created equal to support unequality. at this point, you need to get more education on the subject that you’re talking about.
I’m a rocket scientist, you Neanderthal. Look, I can insult people too. I said that I (and many people I know) have been passed over in favor of people that were quantifiably less qualified in every way because of the premise that they need to be “fair” to minorities. I don’t think white men are more qualified. I know many black, Hispanic, and Asian men and women that are better engineers than I am by far but I also know many women and minority engineers that can’t even use the software needed to do the job that keep getting promoted simply because of their immutable characteristics to satisfy the woke DEI powers. If you can show me an instance of true discrimination where someone was passed over because they weren’t white, I will march right along side you demanding they be boycotted into oblivion. Discrimination is evil no matter who it is against. I want the world that Martin Luther king jr.. wanted. I want my children (and myself for that matter) to be judged based on their character rather than the color of their skin. I want DEI to DIE and for us to become a society that sees a man as a man and NOT as white or black. I want to be able to be proud that I am descended from Vikings, knights, and revolutionaries without being judged for it. My family fought to separate from England, then they fought to end slavery. The key to ending discrimination isn’t by telling everyone we are going to go out of our way to hire minorities. It’s by not caring who we hire so long as they are the best at the job. I don’t care what color they are or what political, religious, or other persuasion they belong to. If you are the best you should get the job. It’s that simple. DEI creates a metric that has to be met. It says that you have to hire so many of this minority and that minority. That’s not how it should be. Fewer women become engineers. It’s not because of discrimination. It’s simply because men and women are different and, on average, women don’t like it as much. That’s not to say that women can’t be as good, as stated above I know female engineers that are incredibly talented. It just means that if you make a quota to have as many women as men in engineering, you have a very small pool to pull from. Because of that, you will get less qualified individuals more often. I think you should take a statistics class. Though I think you’re missing several prerequisites.
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Thank you for your comments
I have always tried to be the , treat other people the same way you wish to be treated kind of fella , but over the past 10 years or so its become a challenge , the morale compass of the West is absolutely under attack , cheers
Thank you for the kind comments. I appreciate your feedback. Just as a quick interjection I don’t want anyone trying to dictate my moral compass. Live and let live.
@@stevejonescriticalthought7633 History has shown that a society’s morals can and do change over time. Shifts in cultural, religious, political, and social dynamics often influence what is considered morally acceptable in any given period. Here are some notable examples:
- Slavery and Racial Equality
- Women’s Rights and Gender Roles
- LGBTQ+ Rights
- Religious Tolerance
- Environmental Ethics
These examples illustrate how societal morals are not fixed but are subject to change as values evolve, influenced by new knowledge, movements, and changing social dynamics.
@@TB7-X Thanks for the break down ,Im 62 years old , these examples will never change common sense core values , yes can be influential , but everyone of us has something called a conscience which is a naturally occurring built in right wrong meter lets say , some people not so much
Well said
Thank you for the encouragement!
I define "woke" as generally supporting progressive social trends. As for Harley Davidson, why should we as consumers care if HD and its employees are having a corporate guidance discussion about Diversity, Equity and Inclusion? Its a thing these days, some of it silly and some is important. We should not get triggered by it and indulge in cancel culture ourselves. Live and let live
Thank you for your balanced comments
If you want more subscribers:
1. Trim your videos down to around 5 minutes because I rarely check out 20 minute videos - that's a commitment for most folks in this ADHD society.
2. Get to the point and answer your title because people tune in based on your title. Then go into details supporting your point. Rambling on without getting to the point causes people to stop watching.
3. There's no "nuance" to "get woke go broke." We have become divided, but woke companies won't get a dime out of me.
4. Women & minorities shouldn't get special treatment because then you're not treating people based on merit and you're just creating unfairness at the other end. It's sexist and racist to think they need help - it implies that they're weaker. If they're as capable as white men (which you believe, right?), then they can overcome any obstacles on their own.
5. Most people pick the side of decency and tradition but still don't have a problem supporting LGBT folks right to do what they want - it's when they start exposing kids to inappropriate sexual details and choices is what most decent folks have a problem with. What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their home is different than wearing a shirt with a flag that is essentially celebrating what many people consider a mental disorder or behavior stemming from childhood psychological trauma.
6. We need to all get along and help each other. Playing favorites because of perceived past wrongs or perceived current imbalances is only going to make things worse. We need to come together, not drive ourselves apart.
Thank you for the comments. The advice at the beginning are definitely take to heart. Everything else I completely disagree with. Respectfully. White men have had to overcome obstacles. Everybody else has overcome obstacles and white men the problem. You’re blind if you don’t see that.
@@simplybeingshipley no problem. You're totally entitled to your opinion. I mostly understand why you think the way you do and try not to be dismissive just because I disagree. It's good to try to understand other people's points of view. I may be blinded by something but always try to consider other opinions. That's why I watched your whole video, even though I disagreed with a lot of what you said. You seem like a nice guy who just wants to do the right thing. I'm a father too and I'm all about fairness too. So I understand helping a weaker kid. But I don't think gender or race makes us weaker. And seems kind of insulting to say women and minorities need special help. Everyone is good at something. Also, non-caucasian people are 90% of the planet so I wouldn't call them the minority. Most problems seem to be class related around the world. But hey, I could be wrong.
@@anony_mouse1 thank you for the discourse. I do appreciate it.
Well this was the most well thought out and reasonable video I have seen on this subject so far. While there are some "woke" policies that I don't agree with, I do agree with most of your arguments on how minorities, women and other marginalized groups have not had the same opportunities in this country.
Needless to say, I will not be selling my Harleys and will still be wearing my H-D T-shirts. Of which I have way too many. 🙂And I'm not concerned that someone will be saying I'm gay because I ride a Harley. Nor will I feel like I'm displaying a rainbow flag just because I'm riding a Harley. And OMG, someone might ask why I don't just get my bike painted pink!! Just some of the weird comments I've seen on some of the other CZcams vids. Some of the reactions I've seen to this woke backlash are just WOW!
Thank you for the encouragement!
Excellent, comments on this subject matter. I appreciate the time and effort you taken t0 educate all of us. I ride a bmw motorcycle and I have always had a feeling there is a underlining cancer with the harley culture. Thanks for keeping it real..
@@geraldfrazier6375 thank you for your comments and for watching!
Four minutes in and you're still rambling. Terrible way to start a video
Thank you for the comment
I never did understand this whole 'woke' controversy. What is wrong with being inclusive???? I'm afraid religion has it's hand in all of this. Shame.
Agreed
No, what the problem with the wokeness agenda is they want to castrate your kids ,let men use the women's restrooms. Let cross dressers teach your kids. Look it up ,it's all out there for public information.
You right . When you got to the part where you said "I'm Queer." I cut it off.
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You leaving the video because he expressed this is a strong sign you’re ignorant.
You would be miles ahead if you just kept your mouth shut. I doubt anyone truly cares what you think, we all have opinions. I’m a current and 3rd time owner of a HD, I will deal with my feelings about the company’s social direction in my own way. I don’t need to explain or tell the world how I feeeeel about it.
Looks to me like virtue signaling anyway. Your intuition was correct, so you’re probably not shocked getting a punch up beside your head.
Number one. This is entertainment. You can flip the channel. Secondly I doubt you can back up your words. You clearly don’t know me. Third, only impotent people threaten others with violence through social media. Go away.
My my, the sensitivity. A bit slow too. The punch beside the head was obviously figurative. If you claim to be entertainment Mr. Mellencamp then stick to entertainment otherwise get off the stage.?
@@jacksidney3907 please keep commenting so my algorithm increases. I love to come out ahead because of other people’s ignorance.
I care what he has to say. So go deal with your feelings.
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