yeah Leffen's also always been really good at punishing/edgeguarding Marth even when he's been losing to M2K/Zain/Luna/etc. He's super good at sharking Marth, for instance. I think it's his neutral that sometimes needs to be tightened up in the matchup
Thanks, I didn't know that. So would it be true that crouching is better if you don't know how they're going to get up, but shield grabbing is equally good if you already know it's a getup attack?
Zain beat Leffen the last time they played at SnS3 , people might've expected it to happen again. Also at the time of this tournament he was 4th best Marth main, 2nd best solo Marth, and 22nd best player in the world
Ight I wasn't sure if you were commenting on our signs in support of Leffen and taking that as we were hating on Zain. This is the first time I've ever heard of people hating on Zain btw
RAZRDROID apparently you do genius. Negative af you’re probably a miserable ass human being who has to hate on others to help themselves feel better shit skrrrt you thought dawg.
I will admit, I have been conditioned from the years of Ken and M2K's dominance to always root against Marth. I can't hate on Zane though. He's bringing back a character we haven't really seen much of since 2015. Marth's matchups are dynamic and fun to watch, so props to him.
Big leff been in tha LAB
Leffen's punish game and edgeguarding against Marth is the best among the fox mains.
i'm a m2k fan but leffen did 3-0 him last time they met, leffen grinded the shit outta the marth MU after getting destroyed over and over by m2k lol
yeah Leffen's also always been really good at punishing/edgeguarding Marth even when he's been losing to M2K/Zain/Luna/etc. He's super good at sharking Marth, for instance. I think it's his neutral that sometimes needs to be tightened up in the matchup
Leffen read Zain like a book. Zain has to learn how to adapt.
This comment has aged beautifully
@@blakeswanson1322 now Leffen has to learn to adapt. And he's done so by switching off Fox for Marth.
Lmao @ the 60-40 sign
that shit eating grin at 5:22 lmaoo
I know the opposite is said frequently, but fantastic commentary gentlemen 👍
The Leffen Shine 5:21
Topdeckkek give it some time and it'll be the mango shine in no time
2:34 looking like PPMD at apex 2015
lol and leff knew it too
5:21 That Leffen Shine, tho.
first stock on fd is this pp?
Are they playing in a church?
.... well there are gods in melee, aren't there?
It’s a chapel.
What’s the purpose of going for a cc grab on Fox’s getup attack like Zain does in game 1, instead of a shield grab?
It covers if the fox rolls because you can dash straight out of crouch. If you shield and wd out it's too slow
Thanks, I didn't know that. So would it be true that crouching is better if you don't know how they're going to get up, but shield grabbing is equally good if you already know it's a getup attack?
Yes. Crouch is for covering everything. However, if you've got a solid read on their getup attack, shield grab is good too
Big LEFF the GOAT
100% 60-40
Giga leff gg's
8:17 Middle sign is a brave man
2 of those games actually are Zain
Kind of sad he was nervous and ....not quite sure but he was 3 stock ahead leffen
8:10 bro you can’t put up the “marth fox is 60-40” sign after leffen 3-0’s the 2nd best marth in the world + 9th best player in the world at the time
Zain beat Leffen the last time they played at SnS3 , people might've expected it to happen again. Also at the time of this tournament he was 4th best Marth main, 2nd best solo Marth, and 22nd best player in the world
Waff is an A's fan??
Zain was a little sloppy at some crucial moments, but he'll be back stronger
HingleMcCringleBerry26 his neutral isn't really good
Kev San he has a sick dash dance but sometimes he can be a little preemptive
@@GoDzAppReNTiiCe thoughts on his neutral now?
Took 3 whole years for Zain to lose on FD twice in a row again
Huge props to mang0 for doing that to Zain that to when he's way better
Damn so many Zain haters lol. Keep feeding him he'll just get better
Everytime someone gets good, people hate them, it a part of the path to success loll remember how they all hated leffen?
We're not Zain haters, we're just really big fans of Leffen (especially me, which is why I wear his jersey to every tourney I go to that he's in)
Vanderhoffenmeister lol Im also a big Leffen fan, but that doesnt make me hate Zain. If anything they ultimately make each other better players.
Ight I wasn't sure if you were commenting on our signs in support of Leffen and taking that as we were hating on Zain. This is the first time I've ever heard of people hating on Zain btw
he did
marth fox is 60-40 :)
Glad Leffen beat this Bollywood actor
RAZRDROID don’t hate, appreciate
ivan manzanares i don't hate
RAZRDROID apparently you do genius. Negative af you’re probably a miserable ass human being who has to hate on others to help themselves feel better shit skrrrt you thought dawg.
ivan manzanares ? It's a reference to a tweet that Zain made. Get the fuck out and do your research before you make yourself look stupid
Luross skrrrt the fuck outta here dawg who the fuck asked you.
How did this fox beat this marth isn't marth the best?
Will KA that's not how it works
Soooooo marth isn't the best?
No. Doesn't matter anyway.
Anyone care to explain why people hate Zain? I don't like how he plays the game, but is he a bad guy outside the game?
No, he's super nice. People just hate getting dash dance grabbed by Marth, and Zain's fucking good at it. lmao
I will admit, I have been conditioned from the years of Ken and M2K's dominance to always root against Marth. I can't hate on Zane though. He's bringing back a character we haven't really seen much of since 2015. Marth's matchups are dynamic and fun to watch, so props to him.
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