It's good to see a Star Trek that shows the main character's progression toward Captain. The writing is fantastic, showing Burnham's struggles and flaws throughout her journey.
@@MathMatt17 Janeway aside, Cornwell and Ross did have some badmiral moments. Vance is pure dadmiral. Additionally, Oded Fehr rocks in almost everything I have seen him in.
Maybe I don't understand she has done nothing to prove herself as a leader. This is as dumb as putting an Ensign in 2 command.. this why they need a Navy consultant on the show. If was on discovery I ask for a transfer. I was just thinking about Wanda Vision and how almost a billion viewers watch it I bet STD doesn't have a 1/2 million viewers.
Admiral Charles Vance, if he was real hed be my #1 admiral or my fleet commander. And also i am recruiting for starfleet starting monday october 11th. This is a lifelong project to last 2000 years
This admiral is awesome he just forgave the rules they broke all the good captains have to break rules to save the universe and im happy burnham has a high up friend and ally in the federation
I do appreciate being shown some of what it takes to become a captain in a fashion other than an exposition dump. That said I hope that characters such as Gen, Bryce, the 2nd doctor, Owosekun &ct get character development since Burnham will have to delegate problem solving to the crew.
I ask strictly because I stopped watching around midway of season 2. Has that happened to date? Have the other officers on the bridge had any sort of character development outside of their names?
Burnham and The Discovery are heroes in two timelines. They saved their home timeline from control and put back together the Federation, defeated the Emerald Chain, found the Burn and a new source of dilithium. I love all Star Trek series had hero captains. Discovery had a bunch.
I think as Star Trek fan we are so use to a singular captain and their development as such, so discovery among many other flaws didn’t allow us to travel with just want captain
Billions of people watched Wanda Vision and STD only as half a million viewers. And they gave Alex Kurtzman a raise. This isn't about quality or anything else related to having a good product. Something else is going on someone at CBS ia getting a paid off. Nothing else makes sense
I think they just put that in there for a S4 set-up. Not dead. Yet. But I'm guessing there's gonna be a conflict wherever they are and Vance has to make decisions he doesn't want to or Michael is making the right decisions but he's emotionally compromised.
Did anyone else get emotional when she walked around the chair and then sat down with hesitation? Michael and Benjamin worked so hard for their Captaincies
It may have ended up being over-reach, but I would like to have seen her reach for that little welding imperfection or whatever, that every captain's chair is supposed to have - you know the one she told Tilly about.
Actually, it turns out Paul was mad at himself because, Booker who can also access the spore drive was the one who save Hugh and Adira, his family and it made him felt helpless.
That's part of the appeal of this series. Kirk, Picard, Janeway, and Archer were all Captains from Episode 1 of their respective series. This series shows Burnham's progression toward Captain. The only other main occurrence of this in a series was Sisko, who started as a Commander.
@@davidcolaco8355 I think the only reason Sisko was still commander even though he was a ship and in charge of a station. Is because the Defiant is officially designated as an Escort vessel due to its small profile and not a mainline ship. Because of this it probably served the role of frigate and usually any officers with either rank of Lt. Commander or Commander would command such a ship. Its the reason Worf took command the Defiant during the battle of Sector 001 in first contact or in the frontlines while Sisko was in DS9 or Starbase 375.
2nd favorite captain...Burnham...Michael Burnham. “Let’s fly”. Best catchphrase I’ve ever heard; just how she said it was awesome. That new uniform definitely makes her look commanding
Probably the third best Captain of the Discovery! Saru didn't do a bad job of that! And Chris Pike was the best. Let's fly! Is her order to get out there. Thataway!
I guess it's takes no leadership skills and a felony on your record plus constantly disobeying orders plus a lot crying and hugs with the most unstable person I have ever seen in Star fleet in this universe Dr Phil could be captain of a Star Trek.
Disney let out some numbers on Wanda Vision four billion viewers these are the ones that paid. STD doesn't even have a 1/2 million viewers this includes overseas. This is your favorite captain right well it's not my place to tell you what I like. Enjoy your show maybe the rest of us don't understand why.
@@jameskirk8539 the charges were dropped at the end of season 1 and before she was an xo who may have had a post traumatic episode when she encountered the Klingon ship
Thank you Bridge of Gay Haircuts and Black Feminist Neurodivergent Excellence for saving Starfleet and getting your own goddamn ship. Also the way Book looks her with utter respect and devotion. Gahhh. I love this show.
I would like to know what makes Burnham qualified to be a captain. Seriously what are her credentials and qualifications? She graduated from the Vulcan Science Academy, as did Spock, however Spock went to Starfleet Academy, I’ve taken the time to look into this Micheal has NOT attended the Academy. Therefore she shouldn’t be allowed to hold rank in Starfleet at all, much less a command level officer. Some could argue T’pol also did not graduate but remains as a second officer aboard the NX. This is a true argument, however, T’pol resigned and joined Enterprise on what was likely a one way trip, Archer kept her a first officer because of her knowledge of the area, skills as a scientist and he TRUSTED her. She had proven herself capable of following orders, Micheal has disobeyed direct orders on several occasions, one of which resulted in war. She appears to have given a commission as a favor to Sarek rather than earn it on her own merits, which would explain her…proclivity to doing as she pleases rather than follow the chain of command. I know a little of what happens in season 4 and she is responsible, whether you like it or not, of allowing Book and Tarka to destroy the DMA controller A. and B. allowing her ship to be hit by a salvo of torpedoes because she “knows Book and he wouldn’t hurt her or the ship”. She deliberately put her personal relationship before the well-being of the crew, she doesn’t deserve the chair because she doesn’t respect the chair.
She originally appears as the First Officer of USS Shenzhou under Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh) until she commits mutiny, for which she is stripped of rank and sent to prison for life. Burnham is later recruited by Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs) on USS Discovery as a science specialist after serving only six months of her sentence, with Lorca viewing Burnham as an asset in the war against the Klingons. (borrow from wikipedia)
@@katherinewolfe eventually this will take time I haven't even found a location yet and trust me I've been on maps for 1 year trying ro find a location.
Let's Fly... is that the best you could do? Really, Let's Fly. Maybe a play off the song i believe i can fly by R Kelly. I'd rather her say Hit It. Pike had the best warp order.
I don't think someone who is convicted of mutiny and deserves to be captain. I'm not going be negative but how does someone who doesn't follow orders get promoted to Capt. And everything she has done too this point could have been solved with someone with common sense.
@@jameskirk8539 And how many Starfleet captains do you think ended up getting promoted despite not following orders constantly? Kirk was promoted... so was Sisko... both chose to IGNORE orders on more than one occasion and both were promoted regardless. Starfleet tends to reward unconventional behavior... which among other things includes being able to do things your own way and questioning things. It was also mentioned that Starfleet doesn't just want people who blindly follow orders. Also, on Burnham's 'mutiny'... that didn't really amount to anything. She never started the war with the Klingons... the Klingons started the war first. While its accurate that Burnham did effectively mutiny... her actions were singular and she didn't get far at all. In fact, Georgiou stepped onto the bridge and put Michel in the brig before she could do anything. Up until that point, Burnham was pretty much a model officer for the most part... and she DID generally follow orders SINCE she mutinied onboard Disco... so...
@@deksroning125 It's pointless to to argue further. Given the same circumstances in today's Navy Michael Burnham would not be remotely considered for a promotion. I happen to serve my country I can without a shadow of a doubt Michael Berman has no leadership skills. But you can't possibly understand that unless you where in the military. If I was a crewman on discovery I ask for a transfer.
@@deksroning125 And here's is something else you might understand I don't care about race or gender but I just hate Michael Burnham not the actress the character. Just the sound of voice irritates me. Maybe this is someone you can understand. TNG average 10 million viewers STD just gets 1/2 million viewers so I am not the only one who doesn't care to get a STD
Honestly, I'm surprised she wasn't made a captain since episode 1 of season 1, seeing how she's such a "perfect" Mary-Sue. Edit: It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It's about how she's a poorly written character, who's automatically the best at everything.
I don't buy this really... They seem to be taking a DS9 approach to storytelling with the character and her rise to Captain. Captain Sisko wasn't a Captain until the end of Season 3. I expect by season 6 none of the episodes will make sense on their own.
It kills me how they ruined the chance for Sonequa’s Michael to be accepted by the fan base in the first season. She’s a fantastic actress but writers messed it up. Gave her a man’s name, a cringe half Vulcan accent that never sounds natural, and shoehorned her backstory into established Trek lore, becoming Spock’s “secret adopted sister that he never mentions because it’s classified”..
I agree, the woke liberals including the showrunners just label everyone as racist if you call out their bull@@@@ but I'm huge fan of Sisko and Janeway. I clearly have no problem like most people having a black female lead/Captain but her backstory and the character is dog s@@@.
@@BishopWalters12yeah I admit their attempt at maximum diversity just felt like an over the top effort at checking all the boxes in one show. it’s easier to focus on that since the show fell short in just about every area with a few exceptions. Poor character development and chemistry, and generally the worst writing in Trek history. The writing was super pretentious plot wise.
I just wish Georgiou was able to see Michael finally get her captaincy.
Yeah... both Georgiou...
Maybe not Emperor (and she called herself Emperor, not Empress), certainly Captain Georgiou would be proud.
Congratulations Michael Burnham for the captain chair! 💚
3:32 ,,Let's Fly!🖖😉"
This moment I will remember forever😁😁
It's good to see a Star Trek that shows the main character's progression toward Captain. The writing is fantastic, showing Burnham's struggles and flaws throughout her journey.
I think youre the first person who's openly said that. Its definitely not wrong.
HAHAHA! The you don't know good writing lispy soy boy.
LOL
Well said and she came along since season 1
@@Jeroscoperight? what a bravery
"Let's fly!" to me is a tribute to Doug Jones. Doug went to Ball State University (my alma mater) and the school slogan is, "We Fly!"
that's a bit of a stretch
i was always expective vance to end up being a bad guy, but im pleasantly surprised to see he turned out to be a good admiral
I'm a big fan of Vance. He joins a list of other cool admirals, like Cornwell, Ross, and Janeway.
@@MathMatt17 Janeway aside, Cornwell and Ross did have some badmiral moments. Vance is pure dadmiral. Additionally, Oded Fehr rocks in almost everything I have seen him in.
Finally I thought it would take another season for her to get into the chair for good
Maybe I don't understand she has done nothing to prove herself as a leader. This is as dumb as putting an Ensign in 2 command.. this why they need a Navy consultant on the show. If was on discovery I ask for a transfer. I was just thinking about Wanda Vision and how almost a billion viewers watch it I bet STD doesn't have a 1/2 million viewers.
Star Trek Discovery? They should have called the series Star Trek Burnham.
She was little miss Perfect, saving the day all the time.
Excellent scene! Congrats Michael! Also poor Vance!
Admiral Charles Vance, if he was real hed be my #1 admiral or my fleet commander. And also i am recruiting for starfleet starting monday october 11th. This is a lifelong project to last 2000 years
@@cotysalisbury861 🥴
This admiral is awesome he just forgave the rules they broke all the good captains have to break rules to save the universe and im happy burnham has a high up friend and ally in the federation
not just any high up friend she has the commander in chief as a friend as that is who the admiral is
Kirk was a rule breaker also and he was heralded as one of Star Fleet's greatest captains and a menace to the temporal division.
I do appreciate being shown some of what it takes to become a captain in a fashion other than an exposition dump.
That said I hope that characters such as Gen, Bryce, the 2nd doctor, Owosekun &ct get character development since Burnham will have to delegate problem solving to the crew.
Indeed. I'm interested in Dr. Pollard's story. Lts. Bryce and Rhys have been extras, more or less. I'd like to see more of them.
I ask strictly because I stopped watching around midway of season 2.
Has that happened to date? Have the other officers on the bridge had any sort of character development outside of their names?
Impressive and well done. Thank you for the odyssey. I love it. 🥰
Burnham and The Discovery are heroes in two timelines. They saved their home timeline from control and put back together the Federation, defeated the Emerald Chain, found the Burn and a new source of dilithium. I love all Star Trek series had hero captains. Discovery had a bunch.
Maybe that's why it's not very popular. I just want to be there for the cancellation party. This is not Star Trek it very was.
I think as Star Trek fan we are so use to a singular captain and their development as such, so discovery among many other flaws didn’t allow us to travel with just want captain
@@antman4671 on top of that, it fixates on just one character and completely disregards the rest of the bridge crew. Except for Saru......
@@dark_ops1651 yeah the original series all did good jobs to highlight everyone including randoms
Billions of people watched Wanda Vision and STD only as half a million viewers. And they gave Alex Kurtzman a raise. This isn't about quality or anything else related to having a good product. Something else is going on someone at CBS ia getting a paid off. Nothing else makes sense
I kinda got the vibe from this scene that Vance's family might be dead
I think they just put that in there for a S4 set-up. Not dead. Yet. But I'm guessing there's gonna be a conflict wherever they are and Vance has to make decisions he doesn't want to or Michael is making the right decisions but he's emotionally compromised.
Did anyone else get emotional when she walked around the chair and then sat down with hesitation? Michael and Benjamin worked so hard for their Captaincies
Yes.
Both started wars XD
That moment was everything for me. After everything she faced it all culminated in that moment. It was perfect.
Same here. Discovery, like every other Star Trek series, has its problems, but I like the show.
It may have ended up being over-reach, but I would like to have seen her reach for that little welding imperfection or whatever, that every captain's chair is supposed to have - you know the one she told Tilly about.
Uniforms look nice
Let's fly.
Oof after season 4 I’m glad these uniforms didn’t stick
Good scene
I can see booker joining the federation endangered species department of the federation i hope he runs that department one day
"Time is a luxury (we/you) don't have." Nice Easter egg, I haven't known until now... 😄
She looks good in red
She is no Janeway.
The special effects look good.
Love the let’s fly !!! You go sista
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🛸🚀 Let's Fly
Discovery was really good. Really, really good. "Picard" was ...
Wish her friend and mentor was here to see her be promoted the captain she revolted against vs the Klingon’s forgot her name
It was Phillipa Georgiou had to go back a couple episodes and watch lol
Stements is still a little angry with her
Everything seems to be okay now in season 4... was kinda hoping for a bit of tension, but the season only had 13 episodes...
Actually, it turns out Paul was mad at himself because, Booker who can also access the spore drive was the one who save Hugh and Adira, his family and it made him felt helpless.
Michael still made a promise to go back to the planet safe her friends. They needed to take back the ship first.
This best moments I will never forget an this words what she says I will remember forever✌️.
2:24-2:26 Captain on the bridge
3:32 Let's Fly!🖖😉
What season and episode is this scene?
@@cydddricc Season 3 episode 13, title episode,,That Hope is You,Part 2"
Wooow amazing!!!!
Bisa adain give away nih .. 🎉🎉🎉
Burn ham as captain. My Guess tilly will be second in command permanently too
Unless gets command of new ship in season 4 with so many worlds re joining the fleet size will grow back to 23 rd or 24th century levels
It's about damn time!! Who number #1?
I'm assume Tilly would still be her No. 1.
Captain Suru is number 1
That's part of the appeal of this series. Kirk, Picard, Janeway, and Archer were all Captains from Episode 1 of their respective series.
This series shows Burnham's progression toward Captain. The only other main occurrence of this in a series was Sisko, who started as a Commander.
Sisko, even as a commander, had his own ship and station. He was only promoted to captain almost halfway through the dominion war.
@@davidcolaco8355 I think the only reason Sisko was still commander even though he was a ship and in charge of a station. Is because the Defiant is officially designated as an Escort vessel due to its small profile and not a mainline ship. Because of this it probably served the role of frigate and usually any officers with either rank of Lt. Commander or Commander would command such a ship. Its the reason Worf took command the Defiant during the battle of Sector 001 in first contact or in the frontlines while Sisko was in DS9 or Starbase 375.
A little different, since he was the top dog in command of DS9 when he took over, even with the rank of commander.
I didn’t know Osiris was in Star Trek
Good one :-)
“I understood that reference…”
2nd favorite captain...Burnham...Michael Burnham. “Let’s fly”. Best catchphrase I’ve ever heard; just how she said it was awesome. That new uniform definitely makes her look commanding
Probably the third best Captain of the Discovery! Saru didn't do a bad job of that! And Chris Pike was the best. Let's fly! Is her order to get out there. Thataway!
I guess it's takes no leadership skills and a felony on your record plus constantly disobeying orders plus a lot crying and hugs with the most unstable person I have ever seen in Star fleet in this universe Dr Phil could be captain of a Star Trek.
Disney let out some numbers on Wanda Vision four billion viewers these are the ones that paid. STD doesn't even have a 1/2 million viewers this includes overseas. This is your favorite captain right well it's not my place to tell you what I like. Enjoy your show maybe the rest of us don't understand why.
@@jameskirk8539 the charges were dropped at the end of season 1 and before she was an xo who may have had a post traumatic episode when she encountered the Klingon ship
LOL, you must be Gen-Z
When I first saw Michael, I kind of expected her to yell, “Rhonda ed.”
Excellent... only one white guy in the whole bridge crew... and he's not even straight. Way to go Discovery!
Who is her first officer?
Warp drive, quaint
who is 1st Lt?
P.s. i am also recruiting starting monday, as well.
Beware of Section 31 in your proceedings.
@@pucochamp this is a lifelong project but im pretty sure that they will understand
Here fishy fishy
2:17 Does anyone know the name of this soundtrack?
The season 3 soundtrack hasn’t come out yet :(
my guy i'm back. Jeff Russo finally released the soundtrack. I believe the music you're looking for is the last one in the album. :)
@@dark_ops1651 Can I just say this is very Starfleet of dark ops to have returned to a previous comment 🥺😁
@@Sarah_Kinz thank you for your kind words 🥺
Thank you Bridge of Gay Haircuts and Black Feminist Neurodivergent Excellence for saving Starfleet and getting your own goddamn ship. Also the way Book looks her with utter respect and devotion. Gahhh. I love this show.
I love that this comment turns all the crying about diversity and Mary Sue's on it's head. 😅👏
I would like to know what makes Burnham qualified to be a captain. Seriously what are her credentials and qualifications?
She graduated from the Vulcan Science Academy, as did Spock, however Spock went to Starfleet Academy, I’ve taken the time to look into this Micheal has NOT attended the Academy. Therefore she shouldn’t be allowed to hold rank in Starfleet at all, much less a command level officer.
Some could argue T’pol also did not graduate but remains as a second officer aboard the NX. This is a true argument, however, T’pol resigned and joined Enterprise on what was likely a one way trip, Archer kept her a first officer because of her knowledge of the area, skills as a scientist and he TRUSTED her.
She had proven herself capable of following orders, Micheal has disobeyed direct orders on several occasions, one of which resulted in war. She appears to have given a commission as a favor to Sarek rather than earn it on her own merits, which would explain her…proclivity to doing as she pleases rather than follow the chain of command.
I know a little of what happens in season 4 and she is responsible, whether you like it or not, of allowing Book and Tarka to destroy the DMA controller A. and B. allowing her ship to be hit by a salvo of torpedoes because she “knows Book and he wouldn’t hurt her or the ship”. She deliberately put her personal relationship before the well-being of the crew, she doesn’t deserve the chair because she doesn’t respect the chair.
She originally appears as the First Officer of USS Shenzhou under Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh) until she commits mutiny, for which she is stripped of rank and sent to prison for life. Burnham is later recruited by Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs) on USS Discovery as a science specialist after serving only six months of her sentence, with Lorca viewing Burnham as an asset in the war against the Klingons. (borrow from wikipedia)
@@mavericksc0703 technically, that was Mirror Lorca
You must be a trump supporter
What happened to Captain Saru?
Saru went home with SuKaul to help him readjust to Kelphia (spellin off). He also became an ambassador. They talk about it in Season 4.
Yes. You may all say this is FAKE. But it IS ACTUALLY REAL. I am founding starfleet and the federation of planets starting Monday October 11th 2021
Where are you, and have you filed any paperwork? If you're serious I will help.
@@katherinewolfe eventually this will take time I haven't even found a location yet and trust me I've been on maps for 1 year trying ro find a location.
"Let's Fly" that sounds to corny dude
Let's Fly... is that the best you could do? Really, Let's Fly. Maybe a play off the song i believe i can fly by R Kelly. I'd rather her say Hit It. Pike had the best warp order.
Michael Burnham should’ve been Captain since Season 1!
I don't think someone who is convicted of mutiny and deserves to be captain. I'm not going be negative but how does someone who doesn't follow orders get promoted to Capt. And everything she has done too this point could have been solved with someone with common sense.
@@jameskirk8539 she taught Spock everything he knows about his humanity!
@@jameskirk8539 And how many Starfleet captains do you think ended up getting promoted despite not following orders constantly?
Kirk was promoted... so was Sisko... both chose to IGNORE orders on more than one occasion and both were promoted regardless.
Starfleet tends to reward unconventional behavior... which among other things includes being able to do things your own way and questioning things.
It was also mentioned that Starfleet doesn't just want people who blindly follow orders.
Also, on Burnham's 'mutiny'... that didn't really amount to anything. She never started the war with the Klingons... the Klingons started the war first. While its accurate that Burnham did effectively mutiny... her actions were singular and she didn't get far at all. In fact, Georgiou stepped onto the bridge and put Michel in the brig before she could do anything.
Up until that point, Burnham was pretty much a model officer for the most part... and she DID generally follow orders SINCE she mutinied onboard Disco... so...
@@deksroning125 It's pointless to to argue further. Given the same circumstances in today's Navy Michael Burnham would not be remotely considered for a promotion. I happen to serve my country I can without a shadow of a doubt Michael Berman has no leadership skills. But you can't possibly understand that unless you where in the military. If I was a crewman on discovery I ask for a transfer.
@@deksroning125 And here's is something else you might understand I don't care about race or gender but I just hate Michael Burnham not the actress the character. Just the sound of voice irritates me. Maybe this is someone you can understand. TNG average 10 million viewers STD just gets 1/2 million viewers so I am not the only one who doesn't care to get a STD
Honestly, I'm surprised she wasn't made a captain since episode 1 of season 1, seeing how she's such a "perfect" Mary-Sue.
Edit: It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It's about how she's a poorly written character, who's automatically the best at everything.
She had to hover before she could fly ya know. Cant make it look too easy
She committed mutiny season 1. So how was she perfect? I'm so sick of these racist/sexist trek fans. I'm pretty sure Gene Roddenberry would be too.
I don't buy this really... They seem to be taking a DS9 approach to storytelling with the character and her rise to Captain. Captain Sisko wasn't a Captain until the end of Season 3. I expect by season 6 none of the episodes will make sense on their own.
The Mary Sue gets promoted
It kills me how they ruined the chance for Sonequa’s Michael to be accepted by the fan base in the first season. She’s a fantastic actress but writers messed it up. Gave her a man’s name, a cringe half Vulcan accent that never sounds natural, and shoehorned her backstory into established Trek lore, becoming Spock’s “secret adopted sister that he never mentions because it’s classified”..
I agree, the woke liberals including the showrunners just label everyone as racist if you call out their bull@@@@ but I'm huge fan of Sisko and Janeway. I clearly have no problem like most people having a black female lead/Captain but her backstory and the character is dog s@@@.
@@BishopWalters12yeah I admit their attempt at maximum diversity just felt like an over the top effort at checking all the boxes in one show. it’s easier to focus on that since the show fell short in just about every area with a few exceptions. Poor character development and chemistry, and generally the worst writing in Trek history. The writing was super pretentious plot wise.
There walks the GREATEST CAPTAIN IN THE HISTORY OF CAPTAINS.
And we all know why...
L
Bud light say we need a GBW so find one!!!
Yawn
Gotta say, that is one ugly ship.
Nope
Agreed!
TOO WOKE!!!
Woke Star Trek sucks
Woke Star Trek SUCKS!!!
Dei captain
Finally, we have gone where NO WOMAN ♀️ has gone before. The Little Mermaid 2023 previews, I shed no tears 😐 this one...Boo hooing 🥲💯