Thanks for making this video! Recently had my mower serviced for the camshaft recall and was wondering what was involved. My mower seemed to be functioning properly, but I still decided to have the recall work done anyway. This is a major goof for the Honda company and a lot of work to replace the camshaft. I don't feel confident I won't have other issues related to the repair such as oil leaks later on. I probably would have a used a torque wrench when reassembling. That said, there doesn't seem to be much tool clearance around some of the fasteners for ordinary torque wrenches.
This guy really seems to know the steps to complete this job, but his attention to detail is very bad. No torque wrench on engine internals is a no-go, "I just go till it feels good", did a terrible job of cleaning surfaces prior to reapplying silicone and I bet if you took the head back off you'd find the oil channel blocked (at least partially) by silicone even though he used a screwdriver to remove some extra (when it gets tightened back down it'll squish back in, didn't clean the connecting rod and head bolts prior to reinstall (just love loctite over oily bolt threads, drops the rocker arm pin in the dirt on the mower deck twice and doesn't bother to clean before installing. I hope this isn't your mower, and I'd rather do this myself than let him fix my $1K mower. Seems like a really nice guy, but needs to pay better attention to the details. I did like the way he kept the connecting rod cap in the same orientation and being careful on the timing.
I really appreciate y'all's thorough video! Questions: 1.) Are you positive that is the correct part # for the camshaft? ...because when I looked up on Honda's part list the part # I'm seeing is 14100-Z9M-000. 2.) My mower has electric start, and I know there are several different selections so maybe that's the difference? 3.) I definitely don't want to get another defective camshaft...so how can you tell the difference on the new non-defective camshaft vs. the defective one? Hopefully Honda threw all the defective camshafts away. 4.) If there is a visible difference between the non-defective camshaft (so I will know for sure before putting a defective camshaft back in) ?... then can you or someone please post pics? Thank You!
Honda Service Bulletin (LAWNMOWER #35) Dated July 31-2023 Revised Jan 10-2024. Part number 14100-Z9L-000 is for HRN216 Part number 14100-Z9M-000 is for HRX217K6
I had this done to mine and now there is a light blue smoke every time I start it up or engage the blade. It does clear up but kind of concerning because it’s only a year old
Yes! I just went to my local dealer to buy a new mower HRX217HYA. I could only put a deposit on the unit. They are doing recall work as they are purchased. Unfortunately it’s a 2-3 week lead time for their shop to take care of it, 😢
The decompression metal tab inside the plastic camshaft was manufactured with the wrong tolerance, causing injuries when using the pull start. Also, electric start models wouldn't turn over, causing more problems to the starter.
Yes, you are right. When Tecumseh went out of business and Briggs had to restructure, Honda manufactured the best walk behind mowers of its time. Stihl is now looking to buy out some mower companies, i.e., Ferris.
The new Stihl zero turns are manufactured by Ferris. They just paint in Stihl colors and badging. Snapper & Simplicity are discontinued. I think Briggs will be selling out to Stihl.
@@duanesliftedtrucks Interesting speculation or do you have any inside information? That would be epic- Toro, Stanley, MTD. Maybe Jacobsen will jump back in.
I don't have any inside information. Have a look at my Stihl zero turn videos, and you can see it's a Ferris. Stihl wants that gas power mower market bad, so I definitely see them buying into this market and purchasing a good quality company. The service dealers are already in place and ready to go. We lost our Ferris dealership a few years ago bc another competitor stopped us. Now we can work on them again and order parts.
This is very funny or traject depending on your point of view. I never considered Honda's to be legitimate mowers in the first place, and couldn't understand why anyone took them seriously or bought them.
Honda mowers are actually top quality mowers. If you ever get to use one, it feels different when the motor is running. There's a certain vibration that you feel in a good engineering way. Very user-friendly. Honda, however, has discontinued making mowers. They will still make engines for now.
In this video, there is a mechanic performing the cam replacement and person filming. I was learning how to perform this cam procedure from my college. We have a good relationship doing these small engine videos.
OMG ...... So glad I grabbed 217 with the 190 engine 3 yrs. Ago .... That has to be one of the worst places to get into for repair..... It's gonna cost Honda big bucks to fix these. When I see the plastic gears inside a $1200. Machine it does kind of piss you off... Look..... If people are paying 1200, add a 100 and use quality metal parts... You try to buy Up and you're not getting the quality ....!?!?? Wtf ? Honda better pass these costs right down to whatever crap 3rd. Party parts manufacturer they used ... And right at the end of a solid long Gas Lawn Mower run ..... Sad....
It's not the gears or teeth it's the hole that is in the plastic gear/cam which the metal decompression pivots in. The hole is too small when it was made by the outsourced manufacturer. The decompression sometimes will not pivot back to release the compression. The other manufacturers are blaming the metal tolerance of the decompression pivot, which is too big. Honda has a good fix to the problem. It's too bad that Honda will no longer manufacture lawnmowers.
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Thank for your nice comment. I really appreciate it.
If you turn the crank, you can get a 1/4" torque wrench in there real easy. Torque is 9ftlbs.
Thank you very well done !
Thank you too!
Thanks for making this video! Recently had my mower serviced for the camshaft recall and was wondering what was involved. My mower seemed to be functioning properly, but I still decided to have the recall work done anyway. This is a major goof for the Honda company and a lot of work to replace the camshaft. I don't feel confident I won't have other issues related to the repair such as oil leaks later on. I probably would have a used a torque wrench when reassembling. That said, there doesn't seem to be much tool clearance around some of the fasteners for ordinary torque wrenches.
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you better clean it better than that use brake clean or carb clean to get off oil film is correct way to do it
Right? That's also waaaaaay too much sealer as well.
Good mechanic.
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TY for tip to remove flywheel.
You're welcome. Now you never have to use a puller. Sometimes, a puller will break the flywheel
The pushrods aren't interchangeable unless you plan on regapping the valves afterwards....
Yes, you're right. We regap each one.
Thanks for the video and explanation! Can you do the Toyota Tacoma rear axle recall now? 😉
This is a training video
This guy really seems to know the steps to complete this job, but his attention to detail is very bad. No torque wrench on engine internals is a no-go, "I just go till it feels good", did a terrible job of cleaning surfaces prior to reapplying silicone and I bet if you took the head back off you'd find the oil channel blocked (at least partially) by silicone even though he used a screwdriver to remove some extra (when it gets tightened back down it'll squish back in, didn't clean the connecting rod and head bolts prior to reinstall (just love loctite over oily bolt threads, drops the rocker arm pin in the dirt on the mower deck twice and doesn't bother to clean before installing. I hope this isn't your mower, and I'd rather do this myself than let him fix my $1K mower. Seems like a really nice guy, but needs to pay better attention to the details. I did like the way he kept the connecting rod cap in the same orientation and being careful on the timing.
Honda lawnmowers are great to work on, and they run forever. This one was probably #150
I think this is his first BBQ on these. But he's getting it done.
The man doing the work has no gloves. The boy filming is wearing gloves. 😂
He wears gloves now on every job. Thanks to Lowe's.
The man is Donavan, and he can fix any mower or equipment. He is an amazing mechanic, gloves or no gloves hands down he is the best.
Does Honda have issues with other camshafts
I really appreciate y'all's thorough video! Questions:
1.) Are you positive that is the correct part # for the camshaft? ...because when I looked up on Honda's part list the part # I'm seeing is 14100-Z9M-000.
2.) My mower has electric start, and I know there are several different selections so maybe that's the difference?
3.) I definitely don't want to get another defective camshaft...so how can you tell the difference on the new non-defective camshaft vs. the defective one? Hopefully Honda threw all the defective camshafts away.
4.) If there is a visible difference between the non-defective camshaft (so I will know for sure before putting a defective camshaft back in) ?... then can you or someone please post pics?
Thank You!
Honda Service Bulletin (LAWNMOWER #35) Dated July 31-2023 Revised Jan 10-2024.
Part number 14100-Z9L-000 is for HRN216
Part number 14100-Z9M-000 is for HRX217K6
So crankshaft comes out at the top also? That's easier than gcv ones.
I had this done to mine and now there is a light blue smoke every time I start it up or engage the blade. It does clear up but kind of concerning because it’s only a year old
It is easy when the mower is new
Yes, working on new mowers are much easier than old worn out ones.
is this still an issue in april 2024?
Yes! I just went to my local dealer to buy a new mower HRX217HYA. I could only put a deposit on the unit. They are doing recall work as they are purchased. Unfortunately it’s a 2-3 week lead time for their shop to take care of it, 😢
Does this apply to all 217 models?
Only if you have the new style motor not the older ones there cam is in the front
What exactly was wrong with the original camshaft?
The decompression metal tab inside the plastic camshaft was manufactured with the wrong tolerance, causing injuries when using the pull start. Also, electric start models wouldn't turn over, causing more problems to the starter.
@@duanesliftedtrucks dang thanks for the awesome reply. So aside from this these engines if maintained properly should last a long while I assume.
Did you put anti seize on blade adapter?
Yes, we do put anti seize on the blade adapter.
@@duanesliftedtrucks y'all work on trucks besides mowers?
Yes, we do customizing them and lifting them.
Honda became better than briggs. Basically any part can be replaced including the cylinder
Yes, you are right. When Tecumseh went out of business and Briggs had to restructure, Honda manufactured the best walk behind mowers of its time. Stihl is now looking to buy out some mower companies, i.e., Ferris.
@@duanesliftedtrucks Maybe Stihl could buy out Honda's mower business. I doubt if B&S is willing to sell Ferris, one of the best commercial mowers.
The new Stihl zero turns are manufactured by Ferris. They just paint in Stihl colors and badging. Snapper & Simplicity are discontinued. I think Briggs will be selling out to Stihl.
@@duanesliftedtrucks Interesting speculation or do you have any inside information?
That would be epic- Toro, Stanley, MTD. Maybe Jacobsen will jump back in.
I don't have any inside information. Have a look at my Stihl zero turn videos, and you can see it's a Ferris. Stihl wants that gas power mower market bad, so I definitely see them buying into this market and purchasing a good quality company. The service dealers are already in place and ready to go. We lost our Ferris dealership a few years ago bc another competitor stopped us. Now we can work on them again and order parts.
Can you pull off fuel hose w/o removing the pain in the ass clips?
I use a fuel line removing tool, pulling the clips off with the hose. I don't reuse the clips, and there's no leaking.
Truly bush-league work. So much wrong with the reassembly.
Like what Karen
This is very funny or traject depending on your point of view. I never considered Honda's to be legitimate mowers in the first place, and couldn't understand why anyone took them seriously or bought them.
Honda mowers are actually top quality mowers. If you ever get to use one, it feels different when the motor is running. There's a certain vibration that you feel in a good engineering way. Very user-friendly. Honda, however, has discontinued making mowers. They will still make engines for now.
If they stop making the damn things out of plastic and they won't wear out.....
Honda ceased all push mower production last year. No worry's
It takes 2 people to replace the cam
In this video, there is a mechanic performing the cam replacement and person filming. I was learning how to perform this cam procedure from my college. We have a good relationship doing these small engine videos.
OMG ...... So glad I grabbed 217 with the 190 engine 3 yrs. Ago ....
That has to be one of the worst places to get into for repair..... It's gonna cost Honda big bucks to fix these.
When I see the plastic gears inside a $1200. Machine it does kind of piss you off...
Look..... If people are paying 1200, add a 100 and use quality metal parts...
You try to buy Up and you're not getting the quality ....!?!?? Wtf ?
Honda better pass these costs right down to whatever crap 3rd. Party parts manufacturer they used ...
And right at the end of a solid long Gas Lawn Mower run ..... Sad....
It's not that bad. It takes about an hour to complete. Honda is very fair to the authorized dealers who are involved with this recall.
Plastic gears. JUNK from the factory.
It's not the gears or teeth it's the hole that is in the plastic gear/cam which the metal decompression pivots in. The hole is too small when it was made by the outsourced manufacturer. The decompression sometimes will not pivot back to release the compression. The other manufacturers are blaming the metal tolerance of the decompression pivot, which is too big. Honda has a good fix to the problem. It's too bad that Honda will no longer manufacture lawnmowers.