PIONEER DJ PLX-1000 CAN YOU MIX ON THEM WITH REAL VINYL LETS FIND OUT WITH ELLASKINS DJ TUTOR
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- PIONEER DJ PLX-1000 CAN YOU MIX ON THEM WITH REAL VINYL LETS FIND OUT WITH ELLASKINS DJ TUTOR
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Yes bro! For people who don’t know this man.... Johnathan is one of CZcams’s original dj gear reviewers from way back in the day, when CZcams was in its early years. Man is a legend!
Good to see you’re still doing your reviews, mate!
😎👍🏻
Mate I remember watching him when I was first getting into DJing wen I was 16 I'm now 35 with children class comment mate
And his quality is still that of the 90's aswell! So retro.
If you can learn to mix on budget belt drives from the early 90s like myself, you can learn to mix on anything.
Compleatly true, the first decks I learnt to mix on were beltdrive Soudlab DLP 32s. Extremely hard work 😅
@@damianwhite9384 Yeah mine were a pair of belt drive Soundlabs. I forget the model though. I do remember having to give it a push to start and use a light touch or the needle would bounce 😁 fun times though
Belt drive turntables won't last long if You use them like that!
True my old disco 2000 were belt drives. I’ve recently got some reloop 8000 and to be honest, I’ve found them difficult to mix on. On technics the pitch seems to keep the speed more constant. The reloops I’m forever adjusting during a mix. Seriously thinking about going back to technics.
My first decks was also a pair of soundlabs, I seem to remember on the back it had a 3/4" headphone jack input, which if was plugged in would make the patter spin in reverse at 33 or 45 depending what was selected. Never really knew what it proper intentention was for. Also, pushing down on both 33 and 45 buttons made the turntable behave differently.
nice to see ya still djing and shit... your tutorials made me a perfectionist with mixing man,,, hands down the best teacher imo. fifteen years, twenty years later... loving it man. thanks!
I totally love the Pioneer PLX 1000's. Very consistent speed.
Great for doing gigs, and extremely sufficient for home use.
Love to hear your opinions
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I learned to mix on belt drive turntables, think they were some cheap Stageline's, over 20 years ago. So if I could mix and learn on them, these would be no problem for mixing.
i learned how to mix from you years ago. circa 2008. glad to see you still kicking it !
A buddy of mine has them and I use them Everytime he books be for a vinyl gig. They work great. I have no problem using, recommending them, or even buying them myself.
I had a pair of belt driven decks back in the day with a rotary pitch. Absolutely woeful but once I got technics it seemed so much easier.
I literally bought this exact set up to learn how to dj with vinyl (same mixer as well). Can't wait to set it up and start learning!
I'm wanting to the same. how is it going for you? do you preffer the vinyl to the controller ones? thanks!
@@Baker19911 I've never used a controller before so couldn't tell you! but I think the tables are amazing, highly recommend. Mixer is good but def more of a beginner thing.
@@Heights22
That’s good though, you gotta learn the fundamentals before exploring the new features
I even find the 500s fine to mix on. Only find the tone arms a bit on the lightweight side. Dont do scratching so not a big issue for me.
I love the way you xplaine things,always in a way that i actualy get.ive turned to a lot ov your vids to answer a lot of my curiositys & i have come a long way in the last couple years. Ive got a pair of 1210s,a mixer & an amp. no laptop no digital kit at all & if im honest i will not go there either.keep the little tips & advice coming my friend.i do practice & i do enjoy.👍👍
Sold my Technics 1210 mk5, worst decision ever, would love some new 1210's but way too expensive :(
managed to pick up a set of mk2s on ebay recently. 1100 for the pair in amazing condition. there's plenty for sale in really good nick. yes more expensive than a set of the oem digital turntables but totally worth it. i sold my 1210s 10 years ago and regretted it ever since. so happy to have gotten a set again
I bought a pair of mint 1210’s mk5. £1400 but worth every penny to me. The mk7’s are just not technics
Yeah indid this,had brand new silver mk5’s after uears of second hand ones and sold them anout 12 years ago.
@@davidcunningham9282 I have had my 1210’s MK2’s since 1997, my wife always told me to set them up and never sell them. We have finally moved into our new house after so many years and made a small studio for them, with her office in there aswell. I feel in my early twenties again lol
@@dustingofthedecks it's amazing isn't it. i'd gone 12 years without mixing on turntables and only just got a set of 1210s a few weeks ago. i'm mixing for hours on end. sneaking quick mixes while i'm supposed to working n everything 😂
dj-ing is a skill/craft that takes years of practice, it definitely doesn't have anything to do with balancing mercury 🤣 DJing is about syncopation of audio, matching two of the same beat and monitoring audio via the neural pathways of the brain. 👍 Once you learn the fundamentals of Audio beat matching you can then hone your craft.
Good video elleskins, I’ve got a pair , excellent for mixing , just as good as technics . No problem holding a mix and staying in time .
I must have been too arrogant or impatient with the ball of mercury analogy back then however it does prove a beneficial point and can admit you are not only ahead of the curve, you are ahead of your time.
In dj terms in South Africa we call that train wreck a horse race😂😂😂😂😂
Why? That's lame and makes no sense. "Train wreck* is just fine, no need to add anything else.
so many conflicting opinions on digital pitches. some people say it's impossible to do long mixes without having to constantly ride the pitch fader and others seem to have no problem with them. i was going to buy a set of reloop 7000s a couple of weeks back and ended up going for the trusted technics mk2s. cost me a few hundred quid more but at least i know there's no issue there
You are among the best vinyl DJ educators on CZcams. Thank You! So cool and informative.
Saying the higher the pitch adjustment (8/16/50) percent, means the smaller the movement required is not strictly true.
Pioneer PLX-1000 and a Hanpin deck like dozens of others, and as such, the pitch adjustment is digital ie it moves in steps.
This means there is no way of making each step any smaller, what it actually means is, at 8% adjustment, you might have a 0.2% (just as an example, this might be 0.1% or 0.3%), adjustment per 'steps' in the pitch. At 16% adjustment, each 'step' in the pitch slider's adjustment might be 0.4% and at 50% setting, each step might be 0.6%.
There is no way to minutely adjust the pitch in 0.1% steps, no matter how small amount of movement you adjust the pitch slider, the steps are always there because it is a digital adjustment, and anything digital moves in steps.
On a Technics Mk2, M3d, or Mk4 turntable, the pitch adjustment is analogue and is just a voltage, so there is an infinite amount of adjustment, there are no 'steps'.
Your view is opposite to that of JustTechnics channel. My experience is as follows. I've bought a PLX 1000 and I've compared them to my old SL 1200 MK2. While aesthetic and torque of the former are invaluable, I must say that the precision of PLX 1000 is lower than that of my old MK2. With the term "precision" I mean two things: 1) Wow & Flutter of PLX 1000 lies between 50 and 100 percent more than that of MK2, based on comparable measurements (whose absolute value might be debatable, but the relative on is undoubtedly fair); 2) Pitch granularity is finer on MK2 than on PLX based on the ability to match a precise beat sampled using a digital metronome. Conclusion: I am up to sell my PLX 1000.
Modern turntables for DJ use have digital controlled pitch speed, like on the PLX-1000s. Unlike analog pitch control, the speed is more accurate and consistent between models. Older turntables with analog pitch control would have minor variances between identical models. That’s why back in the day you can sometimes have two brand new (turntables that everyone used) and have one slightly faster at +8%.
Digital pitch speed reduces those variances. A loose way to look at it is, imagine having quartz lock accuracy at the entire +/- speed spectrum. I say loosely since actual quartz accuracy actually reduces wow and flutter.
Unfortunately, it’s also been highly controversial to the purists about having digital pitch control on an analog device because they claim you lose the resolution. But last I checked, DJs aren’t measuring their bpm inaccuracies by the 0.00001% variances. They just want the rotation speed to remain as consistent as long as possible for those 32 to 64 bar transitions. Anyways, great video!
Well said! And for those belt drive purist can’t even mix on tape decks, but always knock on direct drive vinyl DJ’s! These belt drive dj’s don’t know how to play an instrument! 🙄
the issue with the digital pitch as i'm aware is that the minimum incremental move is not as low as an analogue turntable resulting in more riding the pitch fader which was the single factor that made me go for a set of used 1210s over any of the oem digital turntables
@@davidcunningham9282 This is the issue I’m having with the plx1000. Half the time the pitch adjustments are too much in either direction. I was thinking of returning them for a pair of Reloop 7000mk2 but I’m guessing the pitch issue is with them all?
@@thevinylshack9452 yeah my understanding would be that since all of these turntables are using the super oem parts you're going to have the same issue regardless. The only difference being the build quality in which case the reloop seems to be the best option. I think if you're just running dvs it's not a problem but for real vinyl you'll have to keep riding the pitch. I picked up a set of mint 1210 mk2s for 1200 recently. I know that's a lot more than the reloop but seems the only way round the pitch issues. Can't find any info as to why no one is making turntables with analog pitches any more but I can only assume it's cost
The mk2s cannot be matched,I had m3d's and they haven't a patch on the mk2s...chalk and cheese
Seems quite easy actually…..
to you of course it does.
😉 👏
You're a legend mate, just starting to get onto djing on vinyl and your videos have been informative. Cheers
sneak did a mix on these and was riding them pretty hard but got it done
I have this vision of your house. A set up in every room. Great video.
these PLX-1000 decks are OEM from Henpin factory. The same chinese home od Reloop 6000/7000/8000, Stanton 150, Omnitrnic 4250 and few more cheaper ...
It's Hanpin not Henpin. The other thing is that it may be from the same factory but it depends on what deal does a brand with the manufacturer have and how rigorous the quality control is. So even if the Pioneer has the same parts used in cheaper models it's likely that they are of higher quality.
@@byniasofficial2567 but plx1000 worx exactly the same like reloop 6000/7000, Omnitronic dd4250 and others ... the same motor, tonearm etc. Just details are different, like case which looks like technics 1210mk2..
@@lcaise I just said that despite same parts the quality control on Pioneer line might be better. In fact Pioneers are slightly more expensive than Reloops. The RP6000 and Omnitronics you mentioned are no longer produced btw. Im not defending Pioneer Id go Reloops 7000 for hobby turntablism. More features for less money.
@@lcaise i hear you and i have 2x pairs of mk2s and mk5s. I tested reloop vs plx i can say plx feel much better for a weird reason and hold the pitch almost like mk5s . Better than non well calibrated mk2s and 10x better than reloops. Which yeah only the motor seems to be the same the rest parts and manufacturer calibrations are supreme. Also build quality is excellent
@@raven-jz6cv lot of plastic but plx1000 are quite ok
Hi Jonathon.. Been following you for probably over a decade now.
Bedroom and party house dj only, so stuck with vinyl all these years.
Finally got shut of old decks and bought these same decks early 2020. Got a say they feel like 1210s but with more torque.
Would love to see you do some more videos using vinyl again- inspire the up and coming DJs to try some old school stuff perhaps.....
Keep up the good work pal.
Dionysus😀
Kid Crème doin my own thing 🔥
One more nice video. I am owner of plx 1000 and I love them but all the time I am thinking to keep them or sell them for the Mk7.
I really want your true answer.
Invest in a set of original GOOD 1200 mk2 and never look bk
@@ellaskins thanks for your answer. I have one new sl 1210 only 4 audiophile use.i will look for another one.you helped me a lot.i didn't wait for that answer. You have change the way I was thinking
@@ellaskins I do mixes on Both ,Mk 3D on the left and Plx-1000 on the Right ,the Fader is smoother on the Plx and the Cables are Higher Quality,to me the Plx takes it ,because pitch Fader is smooth as Butter and those Pitch Variables come in handy
Some dj’s who are pure decks Veterans when it comes to Djjing….Say the PLX 1000 decks are much better than Technics…..i was thinking about getting Some Tech’s Too, and Say i am Crazy…..🤷🏿♂️🤔😃i thought i would be Upgrading but i guess not?????!
In terms of vinyl analogue sound, do you prefer Pioneer 250M DJMk or DJM Mk2??? thanks
How to they compare to RP7000 Mk2?
Yo!!! Ellaskins i has learned alot from you My bro And Dj Tutor….🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hi mate I’m thinking about getting some plx 500s or reloop 2000 mk2s purely because they don’t have digital pitch I want something as close to a 12:10 mk2 as possible. Am I making the right move please mate ?
please try Technics MK7 I would love to hear your opinion. Thank you
The mk7's good for mixing but SHIT quality mate
Mk7 it's plastic trash
hello ,
is the plx 100 robust like the technics 1200? chers from bs argentina
shazam still finds it
Do you prefer these decks or 1210's?
I think I see a video of his on this topic
Would you recommend it over the rp7000?
What about mk7? Is It better than plx1000?
Thank you in advance :)
They both made in the same factory but plx have the edge overall in final finishing. They seem to be holding the pitch tard better. And are heavier (which is a good thing) i am very happy with em next to my 2 pairs of mk5s and mk2s technics and the murderous black scheme is sexy. If you do long house and techno mixes i would suggest mk7s by far tho plx do very good also. But have in mind the mk7s aint made in japan no more and pioneer is not low end is a very good high quality deck.
Great video. How would you compare them to technics?
Very close but not quite as good
thank you sir
*Barely touches the knobs & Immediately balances the beats*
Me: Yeah this dudes a pro.
Ngl the twist to speed it up was heavy af, way too noticable
Question you have two records one starts playing you want to mix the other record with the one is playing what is the moment of mixing them together ? listning to the record that is playing ..
On standard 4/4 time signature, bar 1/ beat 1
Pioneer Great Turntable, sir is it made in China ??
it's not +8 equal 8bpm, it's about 15 bpm, if you have a track at 120bpm, at +8 it will be about 135bpm
8%=8bpm if its 100bpm record....so at 120 8% increase will be 9.6bpm.
I am a newbie when it comes to mixing with vinyl, how would these compare to the plc 500s? would the 500s be okay for a beginner or a waste of money?
Reloop mate if you squeeze that little extra
If you can get a good deal on a pair of used 500's since you are just starting out go for it....But if you can spend the extra money and buy the 1000's- technic1200's or even rane you will be glad you did :)
Anyone here got these PLX1000 and have trouble keeping them beat matched? I don’t rate these decks at all but wonder if it’s the world of digital pitch control or these are just shite?
I have a pair of PLX 1000’s and I’ve also noticed the same issue on display units.
For arguments sake, let’s say we are mixing two identical tracks with the exact same BPM and the pitch is locked correctly so that both tracks are in perfect sync....Whenever I‘m pitch bending, mainly when nudging the platter/ vinyl forward to beat match, the tracks will temporarily be in sync, but then the platter falls back maybe half or a quarter of a beat so that results in you nudging forward more and more.... almost like you’re fighting to get the track up to the beat. This is also visible on the strobes.
Lets say we are at 0% pitch, the strobes are dead centre and still... to nudge it forwar, the strobes move further clockwise, but after a few seconds, they temporarily begin moving slightly counter clockwise. It just seems so annoying. And it’s happened on every unit I’ve tested.
they arent up to the job
Digital pitch are terrible compared to the old analog pitch control ! Look at technics mk5Gs they had digital pitch control and there a nightmare to use compared to 1200-1210 .
This or the reloop 7000?
Probably the Reloops. They’re basically the same but the Reloops have a few extra features like reverse, torque adjust & brake speed adjust. They’re cheaper too 👍
@@lustforlow-end6022 they are cheaper because they have grounding issues and pioneers not
you never get +\-6 we need a firmware hack for digital pitch's to make it happen.
dj danny d
Digital pitch controller, ugh! Hanpin motor, ugh! These decks are great if you are a cut and scratch DJ however, if you are a club mix DJ avoid. Look for decent set of mk5's. Last of the Technics with analogue pitch controller.
Also avoid GR's, Mk6 and mk7
They are awful,I've mixed on technics,vestax,put these just don't hold well at all. Really don't.
A true craftsmen never blames his tools
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