Steven Pinker: Human nature and the blank slate
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- www.ted.com Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate argues that all humans are born with some innate traits. Here, Pinker talks about his thesis, and why some people found it incredibly upsetting.
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0:33 Blank Slate
1:27 Reasons to doubt blank slate
5:46 Political appeal of blank slate
11:27 Arts
18:27 Parenting
I was adopted and found out recently i have an older brother, him and i are very alike and have wives with similar personalities.
I was adopted (I was 3.5 y.o.) too and all the time since my childhood I felt that I was different from my family....from the way I was perceiving my adopted family's "morals - behavior - ethical" norms and requirements. As a child I couldn't explain my difference the way I was looking at the world and the way it worked for me. But now I know....I got something "before" I came to this world which was leading and still leads me through my life in my own way.
@@alecwolf1443 What do you mean? Because your comment is synonymous to the family I grew up in, as the last born.
"Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free." Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
Over the course of thirty years I have delivered about three thousand babies and cared for many of them and their families as a Family Doctor as they grew up. I have found that it was easy to assign one of five personality types to each one within a minute or two after delivery and that these persisted. The types were Calm and Curious, Comfort seeking (cuddly), Angry, Fearful or Suspicious. Enjoy your parenthood. You're pretty much stuck with what you start with.
How bout some credentials to go along with this unsubstantiated lark?
@@KingMinosxxvi well his name is 'Dr.RobMD' and he's saying he delivered babies, so I would assume is a medical doctor who specialized in Obstetrics and Gynecology by a residency and potentially a fellowship following. sometimes the context clues are right in front of ya dummy
@@jakebarnett8837 Um ..................NO that's not a substantiation. Pretty much anyone could the name doctor ROB. Do you think I am King? Furthermore, even if it were true that this dingle hopper was actually a doctor there would be know what to substantiate his claim that he somehow instantly new their personality from the start. Did he mark it down and then continue to not said personality as they grew up. Are these things say mentioned in a journal somewhere? So please DUMMY STF up
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My mother firmly believed in the blank slate for all of her children, including the adopted ones. What a f’ing nightmare.
how does that turn into a nightmare ? Genuinely curious
@@jabir5768 it means that she believed that a child was NOT born with a personality , and it was her job to instill one. If her child did not conform to her wishes, then the child must be defective
If you believe that children are infinitely malleable, you’ll try to mold them into a shape that pleases you but does not fit them. That’s bad enough if your children somewhat resemble you, but if they’re adopted they’ll never be able to fit the mold and will suffer for that failure. Putting “tabula rasa” into the hands of a narcissist is giving them a tool of endless abuse.
@@fmapls I see. Sorry you had to go trough that
@@fmapls You mother is nothing compare to my father, he is the believer too: there is no such thing as "I don't understand text books and teachers."
The father of The Blank Slate: Bad scores in school doesn't mean you lack intelligence, because everyone can be anything, bad scores just mean you are lazy at study.
What a nightmare.
The research that's been done on family environment typically doesn't include extreme cases of abuse, neglect, etc. so the answer is we don't know what would happen to those babies (Pinker admits this in the Blank Slate). All psychologists have learned is that in the fairly normal range of family environments there appears to be only small effects on personality.
I am a therapist and incorporate evolutionary psychology in my work with people. In my field 90% of therapists treat the symptoms and will ask you "how do you feel about that.. but do we ever ask why are we predisposed to have severe emotional states like depression? What were the conditions of early humans which may have caused them depression and predisposed us? When people make these connections it can sometimes help them in their recovery. Evolutionary psychology should be mandatory in all psychology programs. Pinkert is my intellectual hero!!!!
Definitely true, but this would lead to inequality by nature. Which is something most humans can't accept due to our emotions. Read the Apology by Socrates (Plato), emotions and ideologies will get you killed for speaking the truth, despite any and all evidence
Steven Pinker gives several reasons for the appeal of the 'blank slate' idea. I would add another (which I don't think he covered directly). The notion of the blank slate is very validating to those who work in the 'caring professions'. I include in that teachers, psychologists, welfare workers, 'social engineers', etc. - not to mention every mother (or primary parent) who ever lived. We all like to think that our interventions make a difference. But I suspect outcomes are more to do with nature - and less to do with nurture - than commonly thought. Perhaps parents of troubled youth could give themselves a break.
Robert Plomin has a debate explaining how parenting matters but it doesn’t make a difference
Funny how CZcams suggested this 2008 presentation now, 10 years later. Thank you, it was interesting and still holds truth to this day.
Actually, it's from *2003*, according to the title near the start of the video.
the moment he said "common sense" is the moment you know what kind of speech he's giving.
More important than ever with James Demore being fired for basically saying the same thing.
Yup. And he even provided ideas on how Google could attract more women, despite not thinking it was necessary from an ideological point of view.
More important than now?
I followed James Demore firing closely and found it rather abhorrent. Now, after seeing Gemini AI disastrous release, I am looking forward to the downfall of Google. Their issues are deep and systemic at that company.
I wish there were more of these talks available to us, on more topics. He discusses so many different things in his books--naming, for example, is fascinating.
More from TED would be nice. The quality is surprisingly good in nearly all of their videos, and not just for Pinker.
One of the interesting things I took away from this is that, although he says that genetics is a major factor in determining personalities, the wiring in the brain can be affected by the conditions in the womb, which means that nurture influences nature. There's is also plenty of evidence showing that nurture turns genes on and off that also impact personalities and that people with certain personalities are predisposed to certain lifestyles I think you can never discount the impact of nurture
nonchalantd Think you can't deny either at all. That's what he's arguing against. The total reliance on nature. But good comment
Nurture arises from nature more than vice versa
This is really excellent. I love the sheer common sense and good humour of this intelligent man. I love his observations about the decline of art convergent with the non recognition of human nature. Brilliant!
That information in regards to Book Sales it's something I'm a bit fascinated with. I was under the misconception that reading in general was on the decline.
Thank you for that... That helps me make the decision I was toiling with for the past few years... I will indeed write a book, several perhaps.
"the arts are in decline" ROFL, man people never cease to amaze me with their lack of perspective. I like Steven Pinker, he's got academic balls; unafraid to actual tell it how it is, and, especially, how it isn't.
That sentence by Judith at 17:12 is a work of art in and of itself.
The findings on twins is beyond interesting.
How funny is this? I can't fall asleep because I'm reading his book The Blank Slate... and just as I decide TO TAKE A BREAK from reading him, he shows up on TED with this talk!
Fascinating material, enough to keep anyone up at night trying to make sense of it all.
Blank slate: - Equal and Sameness. We are equal but not the same, we ought to judge each one as an individual not as a group.
Inspired Topics : - Elite Arts, Criticisms and Parenting.
Behavior: - Culture and Man's outcome. Thank you Stephen Pinker.
Mr. Pinker's argument makes sense to me. My brother and I were born 19 months apart and raised in the same home yet we are now different people as adults. If we were blank slates we should have turned out more similar.
I have recently been reading The Sense of Style for a technical writing course, and I am impressed by Mr. Pinker's writing skill. He is an excellent speaker as well. Thank you, TED, for hosting this video.
A lot can happen in 19 months and parents usually parent differently with each child and sometimes things aren't in the same place between the parents and then there are the life events for each of you that you don't even know about and,what happens at school etc. In other words don't be too sure.
I find the evidence against a blank slate to be very compelling. Siblings often are quite different in terms of personality, habits, hobbies and such despite their very similar upbringing. As opposed to separated identical twins who are raised separately but end up being very similar adults. The conclusion here is that nature definitely seems to prevail over nurture.
Of course parents can direct their kids into certain paths of development but I think it's not much more than slight course adjustments. Parents often believe they imprint their personal values onto their kids but it seems much more likely that those values simply arise mostly from genetic inheritance. And that should actually be a relief to most people because it actually removes a lot of the pressure we often feel when raising our kids to be good citizens. They probably already are if you are. :)
If genetics is the deciding factor then choosing the right partner in life is probably the best way to also later raise the kind of children that you want.
Everything humans does is essentially a part of their nature. You can't just cherry pick a certain aspect of their behavior and call that "natural" or "nature". It's all of it, both good and bad. Then you can argue that there are some bad traits to that "nature" or there are some good traits, and point them out, but essentially every little single thing we do is a part of our "nature". This is how we are designed, and it's very complex, it's something we won't understand anytime soon.
That means your experiences are different from your brother,have you been to all the places that he had been,have you talked to all the people that he talked?people and places influence us.
I think Pinker is one of the smartest researchers working today and one of the most intellectually honest. I don't have the background to know if he is right or wrong, but his braveness in studying things like, say race or gender, and calling it how the data shows rather than adhering to dear (but possibly wrong) cultural ideas is refreshing. In this sense, there is no predetermined result, but listening only to the data which I think yields much better science.
I graduated in psychology and I have to say that at least where I studied we lack a lot of what steven pinker says. Really great presentation, this is closer to science over what social Science has been doing. All political and pettiness guiding everything.
Could you elaborate on your experience studying psychology? I'm interested in how & what they teach
& Do you not consider Social Science Science or just generally poorer in quality
still over reliant on indirect measures, still lacking experimental design,
Sounds like you had a crappy program. Unfortunately that is common. I studied psychology at the University of Minnesota which is one of the best institutions for psychology research in the world, and outside of Psych 101, everything I learned more or less matches up with this video. Granted I did focus on cognitive psychology which dives much more in depth into nature vs nurture than a lot of other psychology subdomains.
@@philj9594 what jobs or what can you work as if you have a degree in psychology?
Everybody gangsta til the TED logo blows out their eardrums.
lol
"Blank Slate" and "How the Mind Works" are two of my favorite books. "Stuff of Thought" was pretty good too. I tend to agree with Pinker's points.
Always interesting to hear Steven talk . . .
Hugh Fathers thank you so much for sharing this! Steven Pinker is, as you mention, always interesting. As an artist and psychologist, I particularly enjoyed his comments on art and parenting.
What Pinker says seems quite obvious to me. Is it really so controversial to say that people are born with certain innate abilities and dispositions? I do have reservations about his dismissal of the role of the parents in affecting the development of their children to this extent - that if parents are abusive to thier children, those children will probably be damaged in one way or another. They will have a greater tendency to suffer from depression, anxiety, and other psychological problems and will be more likely to engage in anti-social behavior than children who are not abused. Human nature is not just a matter of genetic programming. Genes play an active role in human behavior, they are not mere blueprints. Genes are activated and de-activated in response to environmental factors. Therefore, these environmental factors are very important in determining human behavior. I think it is misleading to talk about "human nature" as if it is something fixed and immutable when human behavior is so clearly dependent upon the interaction of genetic endowment and enviromental conditions.
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+Steven Yourke I agree, it's time to pull out the Astrology charts...
+Steven Yourke He would have to agree with you. Development is always a combination of genetics and environmental influences.
I don't know if u really got the jist of it....your saying the negative morals of the parents affect the kids " negatively"... well duh ! Maybe watch it again ... that's not the point of what he is saying
Pinker says the contrary,environment has no effect on personality or intellect.
19:15 - 20:42
He really should have give more detail this..
I guess that's why he wrote a book.
It is just obvious to me that we are born with some inbuilt individual talents and vices. The best we can do is to find as early of possible our individual strengths and weaknesses to see what endeavors goes "against our grain" and smoothing our natural rough edges. Comparatives with other people are almost always bound to be unfair.
Everyone is born with an individual talent, and I think the education system should be better at pointing them out, and then exploiting them for society to progress further towards the right direction.
@@Danskadreng Unfortunately that's just not true. It is enitrely possible to have no talents at all and there are millions of such people in our world. Now, technically, you could perform mental gymnastics to assign a talent to 100% of the global population, but definitions don't care about your own personal semantic interpretations. This is one of the many reasons why I believe a universal basic income should be a basic human right and is the only way to live in an ethical and fair society.
And by "departmental", I'm not postulating or relegating it to any specific function but the overall neurological connections.
PS: I mentioned the twins because it's an example of the subdivision that you and I were talking about. Other than bias, I'm not sure what you were trying to dispute that for or what you meant by the disputation.
The twin studies are the method used for methodically studying such heritability on the genetic level.
Steven Pinkner is great. I really want to read more of his stuff.
Mankind can never move forward until we come to grips with not who we are but what we are.
Critters on a rock floating in an unimaginable nothingness as far as we are concerned. It's to damn far to go have any fun. We're stuck here on this rock looking at each other. And we don't like it.
@@duster0066 Overpopulation is the biggest problem facing humanity at present. Well said.
Muy bueno, y al plantear la idea del cambio de perspectiva de la belleza me hizo recordar a Roger Scruton sobre el tema.
Was this powerpoint done in Windows 95?
Yes. This presentation is from 2003. Not very surprising then.
I am such a fan of Steven Pinker! I'm reading The Language Instinct right now and really enjoying it. Plus he's Canadian :).
In hindsight it wouldn't necessarily improve their chances of inheriting it anymore than if 2 members of the same had bred (& now that I've actually reread your statement, I remember why it was I agreed with you, it was because you were referring to heritability) but upon reviewing my last statements, it'd more likely make the offspring even more intelligent for the reasons Pinker is describing (50-0-50), plus there would be 2 sources as oppose to 1 leading to greater departmental intelligence.
love the song at the end...
Honestly I think both nature and nurture play a role in a persons development and personality. I’m not sure if it’s 50/50 for both nature and nurture, there’s so many different debates and opinions, and this argument has been going on for years. Plus, human behaviour is so complex that I don’t think we will ever know for sure how much of a person is nature and how much is nurture.
Can we have better updated resolution of the lecture? Please......
Thank you so much for your bravery. People like you help me realize I'm not insane. You're much better then Chomsky...
Doesn't take a lot to be better than Chomsky, but yes, Pinker is great.
+Dexter Lecter I don't think Steven Pinker would follow your logic, somehow.
***** In which way? I'd disagree on many grounds. His logic and reasoning is very similar to my own.
+Dexter Lecter he's a dummy lol Chomsky is an actual scientist
Chomsky made important contributions to understanding the nature of grammar, e.g. in "Language and Thought" and "Language and Mind," two books he published in the '60s. Although his universal grammar thesis is now viewed with skepticism, no one doubts that all human languages share many features and a common mechanism of childhood acquisition. It was his injection of Marxist politics into the mix which ruined things.
Who else is here because you can’t afford college so you have to self educate?
I went to college but am self educated. I spent all my time in the library and did till Internet came along. Library and inter library loans are what you need
Elite white folks like Pinker perpetuate the myth, the big lie about progress. That we could create a perfect society. That human endeavours can make the world a better place while all evidence shows that it's become far worse. Simple folks seem to love Steven Pinker and his bourgeois eloquence, in place of the facts, reality and the sufferings of millions of human being that rises every year every day. His analysis is unplugged from reality. And remember that Enlightenment gave Jacobians, Utopia and Fascism too.
Samrat B Samrat B
That's true depending on the level of optimism bias, but then again there is also bias to just expecting the worst of everything before it shows that it's not as bad as it looks (personally I don't believe in a perfect society/utopian outlook either).
At the end of the day, our worldview development, personal background, and the ability to absorb information into our brains are some of the ways that help define what our reality is, so personally I plan on looking at the world realistically and while recognizing that there is indeed a lot of bad, ignoring the good would end up being unrealistic too.
@@Scarshadow666 As you say "ignoring the good would end up being unrealistic too" I am in agreement.
However, since 'The Bad' or the Worse has taken control much of humanity and human society - We cannot just Hope. Like the academic, writer Chris Hedges recently pointed out "You cannot use the word hope, if you are not going to resist"
Adios Have A Nice Day!
Samrat B I agree that hope isn't the only thing to work with and that brainstorming solutions to problems is important, what I was talking about was the outlook on how humanity being taken over by the Bad or Worse would depend on what somebody's individual perspective of what Good or Bad is, and would fall into speculative territory that has been in the realm of philosophy debates for a long time (as most Good vs Evil debates/conflicts tend to be).
Just suggesting to see if that outlook would be created based on any kind of fallacy and/or bias and whether it can be addressed as such.
Most of this is coming off of what I've learned from various social science/neuroscience/psychology books and class courses (such as Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking: Fast and Slow") , but I'll admit I'm no psychology professional/major so I recommend doing any extended research with what I typed above. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We believed strongly in the blank slate as psychologists in the 70s onward...this is why we advised the Us government to poure billions of dollars into programs such as Headstart...we believed we could engineer IQ via such programs we soon found we couldnt. Social engineering has wasted huge amounts of money with almost no results. We meant well, we wanted all people to be equal ...they are not . Of course we knew people had varying IQs. But we wanted so much to buy into the ugly duckling theory ..that we could sprinkle education dust, self esteem affirmation training, everyone gets a prize cause no one special, certain children and adults are gifted due to reprehensabile "privilege"...fairy dust in front of children and they would blossom like flowers. Not so much. All those years I was a contrarian...speaming up about what I knew to be true re the measurement of IQ...guess what I was called? Classist, sexist (against my own gender), racist.....I retired early at 50 and never looked back...I had FREEDOM to speak my mind. I have grandchildren whomhave been told I am those things by their schools, teachers, amd scocoety...I must say THAT part of it was not fun. I have lost lifelong friends as wokeism has taken more and more hold of American society. I know what it must have felt ike to be Galileo. Sybil Francis PhD clinical.psychologist and professor
A perfect example is the Buffer brothers. They were separated young but both of them ended up introducing fighters before fights.
The ideal experiment would involve feeding in the same simulated stimuli to multiple children from birth, and comparing their responses to over time. Anything short of that (like comparing siblings, twins, etc) is just not good enough to make a conclusion with significant confidence.
I think today's artists have a rapidly expanding set of mediums available to them. There is also an increase in techniques and tools available to create art. This expansion of what/where/how art can be produced is a possible explanation of why some of it seems less "great" - and consequently, artists photographing unique stains are simply getting comfortable with the medium right now. Given more exposure to and familiarity with the new tools/techniques will over time yield "greater" results.
Talks do not get any better than this. Perfect. Thank you, TED, and thank you, Dr. Pinker.
That's exactly what Mr. Pinker is trying to say in this video. He suggests that we *inherit* much more from our birth parents which molds us into who we are, rather than the idea that we *learn* more from our parents/guardians which mold us into who we are, which is true to an extent, but we definitely inherit more personal traits than we learn.
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So interesting, I could listen to him, on and on and on...
How does that follow from Pinker's talk?
Wow, its been over 20 years since the Blank Slate came out. Surely society has come to accept the conclusions put forth by Mr. Pinker.. Surely..
This is a great book-worth some re-reading and critical analysis. I'm now reading "words and rules" by pinker...also enjoyable.
@MaxWeberz That's not the only thing he ignores. There's been criticism of computational theory of the mind for a long time. And he's still taken it in as the tacit hingepoint in his argument for theory of the mind, along with his language of thought.
I was reading about philosophy and humanity, and one of the chapters were about how the old art is dying, is like modern "popular" artists try to make things ugly and non sensical on purpose.
Has anyone noticed that lately on youtube all commentors are not reply-able to? When one replies recently, his reply simply vanishes. But only sometimes.
Is there a checkbox in one's youtube profile that disables "accept replies"?
You're correct: genetic traits have mostly to do with predisposition. Environment is the key factor for individual development.
I meant which subject is movie and which is the tabloid and critique. Map it
Ah, I see. In that case, if we're likening subjects to different forms of media:
1. **Physics** could be seen as the "movie" because it aims to uncover the fundamental laws governing the universe, presenting a structured and systematic understanding of natural phenomena.
2. **Humanities**, encompassing fields like literature, philosophy, history, and art, could be likened to "gossip columns and critiques." This is because humanities often involve subjective interpretations, diverse perspectives, and discussions that may not have clear-cut answers, similar to the exploratory and sometimes speculative nature of tabloid gossip and critiques.
So basically as per your mapping can it be said literally that science movies like iron man or Jurassic park or avatar fit the bill for physics
Yes, that's a fitting analogy. Movies like "Iron Man," "Jurassic Park," and "Avatar" often incorporate elements of science, technology, and physics into their storytelling, albeit sometimes with fictionalized or exaggerated aspects. These films can be seen as representations of scientific concepts and principles presented in a more accessible and entertaining format, akin to how physics seeks to understand and explain the natural world.
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@mightyafrowhitey I think that's a misdirection. People often confuse 'open-mindedness'. It means open for consideration without pre-judgment, not open to acceptance without any judgment. If it doesn't please the senses via human nature, people will reject it: beauty, aesthetics, symmetry, meter, etc. Modern movements (elite, by definition) moved away from these themes to unconstrained ones, and nobody likes them. That's not closed-minded pre-judgment; it's legitimate post-judgment.
how about Epigenitics? do they have an impact on our behavior?
this is so relevant today
I enjoy waching Steve Pinkers lectures.You can be agree or disagree with him but he gives good arguments.
when you exhaust everying single action and preference that someone does you are bound to find some similarities between any two person. The question is if these similarities listed in the beginning of the presentation are the rare ones that do match?
Wow I didn't realise there was actually alot of contention against this.
Great talk, have to read this book
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@MaxWeberz, Epigenetics has the same conclusion as Pinker... not only genetics plays an important part of who you are but the development of cells will vary even among twins... which is what Pinker mentioned in this very precise video. Second, he never said we are all biologically-driven savages, he said heredity plays a huge role in our personality, but other things such as culture and peers also have minor effects
...., in essence there is no perfect copy of anything.
How do I cite this in APA format?
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I wouldn't know that till I talked to him.
What does he say at 8:44? English is not my first language.
The idea that humans can be a blank slate is one of the most absurd arguments of our current society
I am more than halfway through "The Blank Slate" and it is interesting. I do have a gripe with this statement on page 128: "anyone who believes in an immaterial soul is certainly not going to believe that thought and feeling consist of information processing in the tissues of the brain." This seems to sugguest that you have to either believe in neuroscience or an immaterial soul. However, the two are NOT mutually exclusive unless a person is an extreme Cartesianist, Anyone agree?
that quote at the end damn.
I'm saddened because his final statement is being quite ignored and rather people seem increasingly insistent on silencing unpopular views that are rooted in rigourous scientific studies.
What is the argument presented by Stephen Pinker? I didn't catch what he's actually trying to prove!
I liked - but wheres the beginning?
Steven Pinker is a sage of our time. The way he presents his findings is second to none...
Everett, how dare you! ;-) I enjoyed this book very much. What don't you like about it?
I wish I could talk to him personally, because I don't really agree with a lot of what he's saying. Perhaps I missed some stuff though.
nothing is more powerful than the sum of all your past "nurturing" much more powerful than the nurturing you receive in the immediate/present
Species develop from unique traits being perpetuated, which then form the basis for future mutation. It's the mating pool's average traits, not the individual's, that fuel evolutionary change.
How did Stephen Jay Gould reconcile the identical twin studies with his belief that the human brain is capable of a wide range of behaviors but is predisposed to none?
Did he knew it?
True. How can media and elite left ignore that ID Twins have astonishing similar IQs just the major Races to some degree?
@AndroidPolitician The Gabor Mate, James Gilligan and Robert Sapolski school of thought. Also the the most balanced because it recognises genetic predisposition but *not* predetermination. Behavior is cultivated by environment, and any abhorrent behavior can be dormant without stimuli or rectified by nurturing social conditions. Great section in Zeitgeist: Moving Forward on these men if you haven't seen it.
Pinker is right about the academic humanities. They tend to focus way too much on grey areas, and then generalise from those grey areas. They can't see the forest for the trees.
Having said that, not all their work is useless.
That's true, unless people find ways around their limitations, which is a another issue. For example, blind people have graduated from professional school because they can read braille. Without the invention of braille, this might not have been possible.
Finally the answer I required. Psychology is another imperial discipline like Economics.
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Memorizing facts like VIBGYOR or the planets aids in foundational understanding within astrophysics, while applying psychology might not offer relevant insights for these specific topics. Rote memorization supports clarity and focus within the realm of scientific inquiry, while psychology is more applicable within its own domain.
Great book.
I absolutely agree with you. I think political correctness is a terrible idea.
this would change how far from a star a habitable zone like ours would be from the sun, not IF there was a habitable zone.
gravity can be shifted up and down the scale and it would mostly just balances the strong nuclear force in almost all regards. there are bounds but they are by no means so extreme as he implies. all this would change is how many stars there are, how far the planets reside from there stars etc etc. we would have FEWER stars (or more) but it's not like we would have NONE
Do you look at curemcy and human nature?
im goin to have to buy this book
Let's suppose that genes are determining at least partially how responsive we are to the environment and how much we absorb from it...
noone in their right minds, especially in this day and age, is saying its all nature, or all nurture aka blank slate
just finished listening to a very cool series of lectures by sapolsky from stanford on human behavioral biology
a good way to show that these short videos like this one can seem kinda cool, sure are entertaining, but you probably have to devote at least a good 20-30 hours on lectures to get a much better picture, if you really care, and if you really dont like self deluding etcetc
Thanks, I'm reading it. It's good
I paused the video too quick - I agree with the assessment that culture and chance play big roles, I agree that genes play some part (not as much as many think, though, given the nature of inherited protein-makers can manifest), but I do stand by his interpretation that equated to no role for parenting. I would like to see him take into consideration family systems.
21:02 I assume these studies don’t include extreme differences in parenting like parents who play favourites or physical abuse.
Well according to Pinker, there isn't. But of course, I think he doesn't account for a lot of stuff. Like how two events are never exactly the same, so when he talks about how kids have different temperaments, how can he ever put two children in the same exact spot and expect the same results? Even depending on how each individual parent and affect how a kids temperament is determined. Pinker still needs to do some work it seems. I wish I could talk to him in person to challenge his finding
@daimonmagus I completely agree.
I wish he would of defined what he meant by similar. He said they shared certain behaviors, but most people do. He probably defined those things in the book.
Jonathan manning If you are referring to the part where he shows the brain scans, he clearly says that he's referring to the density of grey matter.
I was just talking about the part were he defined similar as behavioral traits separated twins shared, but if you go out intentionally looking for them, it would be easy to find in any two individuals of the same culture (I would imagine, but could be wrong)
Is it just me or did anyone else find this book to tell them what they already know? There wasn't really anything in it that i wasn't mildly aware of. It didn't contain a breakthrough idea, for example. Moreover, i wish he actually shared his opinion on the topics that he discussed, such as when he was talking about Free Will.
Thanks!
@daimonmagus I don't get this comment, or why people thumbed it up. What judgmental unscientific conclusions did Pinker come to? He argued that the decline of the arts is due to their lack of appeal to human nature, and that parenting is not as important a factor in children's behavior once genes are taken into account. Both of these are based on psychological research. The video you linked is by Stefan Molyneux, who is not a qualified psychologist, and a questionable character at that.
Steven Pinker is a great individual- he's the ideal future of humanity.
Have you read his book? I believe his book would answer your challenge.