Gozney Arc XL VS Ooni Karu 16 | 16 inch Pizzas
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2024
- In Depth Comparison on the max temp, heat times, how well they cook 16 inch pizzas and more.
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Wow, what a great comparison between these two ovens. Thank you for spending the time to make this video, I'm interested in the Gozney Arc XL and this has proven extremely useful to me.
Glad it was helpful!
First time watching one of your videos. Exactly what I was looking for! Graphs, stats, photos, all the info I was looking for! I couldn't find anyone else talking about the recovery time which is a big deal for me. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
This is by far the best channel here ! Cheers from Quebec !
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Thank you
Man I'm loving your channel, hope you the best. Best Pizza oven reviewer for me.
Thank you. That means a lot.
great video, solid review and love the details.
Much appreciated!
Very helpful video - thank you!
Glad it helped
that review completly flippt my choice between those two ovens. i was set on the karu 16 mostly because of the door because where i would use it its windy. it seems like the arc xl with an additional bought door might be the game.
awesome review!
I would agree. I have been working with NU2U products and there will be a door soon for the Arc XL
@@somedadscook Any update on the door for the XL? Thx!
Like your video’s. Have you considered the Solo Pi pizza oven for one of your comparisons?
Great review man!!! Are you doing these reviews for Hobby? Very detailed, professional video, great Pizzas. I bough the Gozney last week
Really good video - very informative!
How about the Dome vs the Arc XL ? What one would you pick out the two ?
That's a great question. The dome is 2.5 times more money than the Arc. If you aren't going to cook with wood or do some steam injected baking, I would go arc xl. But to be honest I cook on my dome most the time right now because it's natural gas and hooked up to the house.
I was watching your video and your frustration with the flame turning off on the Karu were spot on. I am having the same issues and its frustrating.
I have the Karu, and the only time the flame went out is when I left the top on the chimey or if the vents weren't open properly. Your Piezo needs to be alligned with the metal so it can get a spark. I'm pretty sure the piezo just needs to be adjusted. I like the Arc because flame is on the side, it's more portable, better recovery time, and the knob is in the front. One con I see with the Arc is the flame is so close to the floor that cooking larger pizzas would be more challenging than it is in the Karu. Living in MN it gets extremely cold and windy, that door has been a pro, especially cooking other types of food. I think the Arc is a slightly better option, but I wouldn't sell my Karu to get one. I'm completely satisfied with the end result with the Karu. With the door closed I get to 850ish in around 30-32 minutes.
well done on the data - liked and subscribed :)
Thank you
As you may know, on the Karu, you can partly close the chimney baffle and ceiling vents (even when using gas). I have them slightly closed and the oven is noticeably quicker to heat/reheat. Did you have them fully open for your tests? Great video, thanks for doing it!
Great comparison. I have the Karu and have to manually light each time and have occasional outages. Honestly, my bigger issue is that despite having a knob that suggests flame adjustment, there is only a few mm distance between low and high. Confirmed with Ooni this is as designed; you aren't supposed to adjust the flame other than high/low, though a careful hand can get some control. Does the Arc's gas knob allow for more control? I'd also be interested to see a propane usage comparison between the two over the same amount of time. Thanks!
Great feedback. The arc does allow a good range of temp. I have cooked several different pizzas at different temps in it
I love these honest not bought reviews
Thank you so much
Same! Awesome info.
I had the same issues with my ooni karu 16 that you had. The problem with the gas burner not lighting is probably due to the ignition being to far away from the rest of the burner. It seems like the gas burner has a lot of production issues since so many people complain about the same things. I sold my ooni karu and bought the gozney arc xl for all the reasons why you disliked the ooni karu. The door and the temperature control in the back were too annoying for me. Great video en review btw, looking forward to your other videos!
Thank you. I appreciate it!
Also had the same issue with the Karu. However adjusting the position of the ignition a little by hand did the trick for me. Takes some playing around.
For the shutting off part, also had this and it drove me crazy. Properly cleaning the thermo couple solved my issue, for now at least (been a couple of months now and plenty of bakes)
All that being said, I am considering replacing it with the Arc XL as well. 😬😄
Awesome comparison @somedadscook, really insightful!
When you did the recovery test for the arc, did the internal temp go down much?
Thanks a lot by the way exactly what I'm looking for to see if I'm buying the arc!
It didn't drop much. Maybe a few degrees.
Amazing video!
Thank you
I love your review. Please add for the next video some timestamps!
Great feedback
Hola. Excelente review. Te escribí de latino América y tu canal está excelente te felicito. Podrías hacer una comparación entre el Arc o Arc XL v/s Ooni Koda 16? Muchas gracias. Nuevo suscriptor!! Saludos!!
They need something like a heat or flame shield for the arc xL to prevent burning. Excited to see your 16 inch ny style review on the arc xl. Thank you
Am actually talking with NU2U about making one
@@somedadscook would definitely buy one
2 questions
1/ the burnt paint on the Gozney (either side if the black grill). Was this due to a power testing or it happens just deal with it.
2/ door or no door, maximum temperatures, time to reach cooking temperature etc, how much does this effect the energy rating and consumption of the gas bottle. ⛽ will buying propane be more expensive?
Don't forget Ooni sells a slotted pizza door for the Karu that you don't have to open. I love cooking with wood, so I would choose the Karu 16 again over the Arcxl. But I absolutely detest the knob in the rear. BTW, I've never experienced my flame going out my karu 16 or 12 while using gas, and I've own the 12 for years and the 16 since it came out. I will get the Dome when I decide to upgrade.
I think worth noting that propane is substantially hotter burning that natural gas. While convenient, when it comes to a pizza oven that is hard to make up. 1cuft of natural gas generates 1012 BTU's vs propane generating 2520 BTU's.
I should have mentioned that I appreciate the review!
Thank you. Ooni was able to figure it out on the Koda 16. It gets up to quicker than both of these ovens. But you are right
@@somedadscook Maybe due to the U shaped burner that is far larger than either of these ovens?
I have an Ooni Karu 16 and have had the same burner issues. I’ve even had a discussion online with one of the owners of the company and all she does is make excuses and act like you don’t know what you’re doing. They sent me a new knob because the original basically melts on the inside and ends up, not turning the actual metal piece that adjusts the flame. I told her the propane burner is a defective product and then she ends up not responding. I have had it for almost 2 years now and I have gotten pretty used to it and am able to turn out really good pizzas on it but if I had to do all over again, I would never buy another Ooni product.
Thank you for your reviews! Can you compare Gozney Arc XL VS Glowen Raptor pls?
I will look into it
Not available in North America. I have asked them directly.
For pizza catering and 50-60 pizzas, 11-12 inches, do you recommend two Gozney Arcs or two Gozney Roccoboxes? Which one better maintains temperature stability, and which one recovers temperature faster? From your experience?
That is a great question. I am working on getting all of this data on the roccbox right now. Should be able to say in about a week.
Great review! Whats the name of that company that does the door accessories .. sorry I didn’t catch that
Thank you. NU2U products
Gozney is overall better in most ways. The only downside with Gozneys is that you can’t replace the stone yourself which sucks.
You can take out the stone on the Arc/xl. But the others that is true
This is the video i was looking for! Just got the karu but started looking at the arc. The dome is just too big for me. As i haven't opened the karu it's going back and I'm getting the arc!
How much cook time do you get on the gozney arc xl with the propane tank?
The Karu has an optional open door/window solution, so that it basically becomes a koda16 (for gas only). I use my Karu for charcoal and wood, that’s why I bought it in the first place. I do have the gas burner too, but prefer wood. With wood, the heat source is on the floor/over the pizza while it’s only above/slightly in front with gas. Wood/charcoal also easily push the temp 500+ (non-retarded units :P) if that is your thing (I cook mine at 400)
Gozney Arc vs Gozney roccobox??? For pizza business!
Working it. Should be it in the next week or two
Po recenzijama ovaj drugi je bolji…
Thanks, that was really interesting, and much more valuable for its independence.
I am waiting patiently for someone to compare the XL with the basic Arc (has anyone had the plain Arc yet?) My expectation is that the Arc will be rather quicker to temperature than the XL (using less propane - could check usage with a weigh scale), while being usefully more roomy than a Roccbox for “12 inch” Neapolitans.
For sure the XL is the way to go for larger, thinner and crispier pizzas cooked at a lower temperature, but I figure that the smaller Arc might be the better choice if Neapolitan is your main aim.
One question I haven’t seen addressed is how long the things take to cool down to the point of safe portability or even applying the cover. (My Koda 12 cools rather quickly.)
It would also be reassuring to have confirmation that the long Arc-ing flame wasn’t very susceptible to the effect of wind.
Yes, the weather here in the UK can change quickly but I wasn’t intending to have to build a covered outdoor kitchen!
I have had both, still have Arc.
Here’s my contribution to all of those with the Karu 16 and flame going out. The issue is the thermocouple…it’s too far from the small hole on the side of the burner where a small flame comes out, sometimes especially when flame is on low, the flame doesn’t touch the thermocouple and it shuts off the gas flow. Just take a small plier and bend the thermocouple closer to the hole on the side so up and right if looking from above and issue solved.
Any issues with a 16 in h pizza burning on the side of the burner? It appears to be very close?
Not so far. But you do have to watch it. A flame tamer would be nice. But I am trying out different 16 pizzas now and will keep you all updated
You can't come to the conclusion that one burner is hotter than the other by just doing a side by side comparison of the doors open. Oven shape, insulation, material, etc also affect how quickly it heats up. I still appreciate you doing the comparison.
Thanks for the feedback. But that's also why I do the heat distribution test.
It’s strange - I have the Karu 16 - and my experience is not the same , my flame has never gone out (natural gas) - and my temperatures are hotter and retention was less time , maybe I got lucky with my unit
I have a ooni koda 12 with the burner attachment. It is awesome but I am curious to see how the Gozney ovens perform for myself. Arc xl one day maybe.
My Arc Xl on low was about 550 starting on low and 1000 on high. However I got mine to 950’s in about 1/2 your time. Over an hour seems very long. Strange. I bet with a door it will be 10 minutes vs 30. I have cooked many things in it including rack of lamb to perfection. The XL is probably the best “sort of portable” pizza oven I have used.
Great feedback. I am testing to hear to time again today in my garage with it cracked open a little. That way it's a more controlled environment.
@@somedadscook let me know how it goes. Mine is outside and I am usually 50-60°F on the stone when it starts up. For every 10 degrees colder I figured it’s about 40 min so that may be why we were so far off. What temp was your stone when you started?
I bought the Karu 16 , I never had any issues the flame going out , and my temperature does not take as long as your comparison
How long did yours take usually?
Ooni has massive flame issues in a slight breeze when using gas version outdoors
How? Just close the door
Could we record a slightly deeper analysis of the Gozney Arc for commercial use, including stone temperature measurements, when baking 10-15 consecutive pizzas? Recovery time for stone temperature, unofficially talked about 3 minutes... Is the Arc manufacturer planning to reduce the large front opening or add some kind of door?
Roccobox vs Arch for small pizza ceteting?
all the Karu's are designed as a wood burning oven first and gas burning second. technically gas works but it doesn't work great. their burners tend to burn the toppings and undercook the crust. it's especially true for the Karu 12 burner
Kodas are way better gas ovens than the Karu. that being said, Karus are the best wood burning portable ovens on the market. On wood, it easily goes up to 1000F within 30-40 mins.
btw, you probably have the most detailed comparison videos on YT. I really love how you let the data speak for itself.
Not true for the 16. Even with gas, the stone gets insanely hot compared to the 12. Actually, it can get too hot.
The Arc shows already some discolouration on the right hand side.
Can it be cleaned or is this a permanent burn-in?
Great video and comparison!
It can be cleaned just like the dome
@@somedadscook Great to hear. Thanks for your feedback!
Roccobox vs Arc XL??
Excellent video very informative, for me The Roccbox all day long for price point, very versatile and portable. Cheers from California
Glad it was helpful!
Wow my burner on my Karu 12 has the same issues. Hard to ignite. My burner will not stay on unless it’s at full blast. Wild to hear the more expensive Karu has the same issues. Since upgrading to the Roccbox I never have had an issue with the burner. I hope you do Arc vs Roccbox next 👍🏼
Working on getting the data now
I’m pretty sure natural gas burns at a much lower temp. Thankyou for making these comparison videos!!
Thank you!
The temp is held better from the side to side arc like all the Italian pizza ovens. The ooni heat is pointed right at the opening which is ridiculous.
Great point
Thanks!
Thank you so much.
ooni haz new one coming this summer , its huge...
Ooh. Can't wait
I’ve replaced the Ooni Pro burner twice already. I’m done with Ooni!
what about those "brown" spots above opening in the Arc? i thought that thing in the middle was supposed to prevent them?
what about stone maintenance? if you mess up in ooni karu (toppings burning on stone), when you are baking next time, you just turn it and high heat will clean it. can you do this in arc too?
Yes you can burn off the stone. Already had to do it
I've owned an Ooni Koda 16 for almost 4 years now, it's a great oven but I'm just switching to the Arc XL now I think it's killing every oven from Ooni hands down in terms of quality, price etc..
So far it has been a great oven
You should Google the Ooni Koda Max 24. It hasn’t even been officially announced yet. But info and pics have leaked. 24” stone and burners on both sides that can be independently controlled.
This might be the oven to beat. Should be out in June for $999. While that’s a lot of money. A 24” stone in an oven not much bigger than a koda 16s a game changer
@@Bigheadedwonyeah I've seen that leak, but honestly looks massive I don't think it will fall in the same category as Koda 16, Karu 16 and Gozney Arc
@@FabioRadwan It fits on the medium Ooni table, which is 23x31" and price wise it's $200 more than the XL which is 200 more than the Koda 16. It's definitely not for everyone. For people who make a lot of pizzas, you could do 2 at a time and never have to wait for the stone to get back to temp. Or you could do 4 with a normal wait.
And Ooni does a few 20% sales a year or they have their 20% upgrade if you own an Ooni already. So people should be able to get this for the same price as the XL pretty easily.
I still want an Arc XL and will end up getting one down the road.
I have an Ooni karu 16, love the dual fuel. That said with the new Gozney offerings I’d push almost anyone in that direction. Cost is the only issue I see.
Great feedback
You should Google the Ooni Koda Max 24. It’s supposed to come out this summer. Some info and pics were leaked.
24” stone and burners on each side that can be controlled independently. The fact you could easily make 2-4 smaller pizzas at the same time. Or one huge one should be nice.
I was all set to get one of these but I saw the Ooni leak and am waiting for that. To be able to make a 18-20” NY pizzas or up to a 24” in an oven that’s not much bigger than a koda 16 is crazy.
Will be out in June for $999. Not cheap but this is an impressive looking oven.
@@Bigheadedwon that koda max looks pretty interesting. Just going by the pictures I saw I was hoping it would be taller. Honestly I’m probably 50/50 on pizza type cooks vs other stuff.
I will continue with my karu. Gozney don't send to my country but we have a ooni local store. I use wood some times propane gas. Don't know if is a future issue with the gas burner but i have to say for now mine work great and turn on with the botton. The door ooni can be change with the other half door. I fully agree with the gas turn on botton in the back is a problem 😠. Now we have to wait for the Ooni anwser so i better wait. 😂😂
Apart of this i like one thing and was see you talking about other style like New heaven actually i am doing some style note to expand knowledged.
If i wrote something wrong my bad english is not my first lenguaje😅.
Ooni makes a great oven. Koda 16 was my work horse for years
@@somedadscookNice, both brand are great. I considered Gozney before Ooni, their designs are good and have many good things, but that shipping issue is not logic because Puerto Rico is part of US 🙄, then i found a store with Ooni stuff and everything here so great deal. I pick the Karu for space and versatility without that probably I should buy the Koda 16. Plus Karu have the certification of AVPN home so this was another reason for those who care about associations.
the winner for me is the Ooni Karu 16. Guys my reasons were you can always add fuel even though it drops below the Gozney Ark. Look, when I make pizza at home. I do my stretching and toppings with about 7mins anyways so yeah..
I liked it better when I can carry and move the Ooni without worrying lifting the opening area. That's just my opinion.
Great feedback
It’s obvious his going to say the Gozney is better , his got one in his kitchen in the background 😂
ARC > Karu…
For most situations I would agree
Gozney is WAAAYYYY better
Your gas man can easily drill out your orifice so the Arc can run on natural gas. It's really pretty simple.
There’s no comparison, Gozney Arc is a Ooni killer.
Wow, your reviews are really well thought out. I've been using a Weber Kettle with Pizza option for several years but don't find any flavour benefit to wood-fired pizza. I can easily crack 500c but it's a scary amount of fire and heat in a kettle (although, it does make great Neapolitan or NY style (at lower temps)). I don't taste any flavour benefit to burning wood from at those temps. As such, I'm considering the two makes/models you reviewed but am also curious about the Everdure or Halo?
Although you are not an affiliate or paid by either company, did they provide you with these? The Arc XL was not released until march 6 so if you got this early it was given to you by Gozney…
Nope. Picked it up at my local ace hardware.
After the Koda 16, won't buy another Ooni product.
Why not compare to the Ooni Koda 16 which is $599? Wouldn't that be the more equitable comparison given they're both single-fuel propane ovens? And anyone who thinks this and all the other 'influencer' Gozney 'reviews' aren't biased is kidding themselves. Read a transcript of any of these videos and they'll read like Gozney ads. Watch for all the other Grozney product in the background. I'm likely to buy an Arc XL as a second oven for another location to complement my Ooni Koda 16 so I'm not suggesting the Grozney's aren't good ovens. But man, they're hitting media HARD and giving away MILLIONS in inventory to these content creators.
I wish I got all that stuff for free. I have reached out to gozney and asked if they would send me stuff but they declined after seeing the size of my channel.