*Captain America: Civil War* IS SOOOO GOOD! AHHHH
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Omg guys.... THIS IS MY FAVORITE MARVEL MOVIE SO FAR. EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE IS SOOOO GOOD. (Hence the 7 minute review at the end ahem..) but I loved this movie so much and loved every second of watching it. Although it was more on the sad side to watch, it was still done so well in every aspect. If I begin writing about the movie I know I'll never stop so I'll have to cut it here LOL Thank you guys so much for watching and I hope you all enjoy as much as I did. :)
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Just wanted to say, keep the comments CIVIL under Civil War ;) Respect everyone's opinion!🥰 ISSA MOVIE!
Vkunia is so damn pretty, just wanted to say that.
It's civil war. Cap stand will act more toxic with you bcas u mostly sided with tony.. 🤣
Young lady, you will not be complete until you've heard Hans Zimmer's 'Interstellar' score.
Gonna watch/listen right now myself. 😊
Gahhh!!! ... Just a movie?!?!?!?
GET HER!!!!
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I'm in love with aunt Mae 😍
"I remember all of them" is the correct response. He's saying he's haunted by what he has done. He is saying the people he has killed matter, that he is tormented by guilt, and that they are people worth remembering.
Yes yes thank you! I commented something similar to this and it kind of bugs me when reactors criticize Bucky for saying that, because him saying “no” would be bad and just a simple “yes” would be bad. That was the correct response.
Bucky wasn’t kidding either, and we see it in Falcon and Winter Soldier just how haunted he still is.
Glad you said this so I didn't have to post it.
And Rogers was wise not to trust the governments after everything H.Y.D.R.A. had done for decades. He doesn’t want to be anyone’s puppet anymore. It’s not just Tony’s arrogance that clouds his judgment to join the Accords but also his shame and regret. Putting Pepper in mortal danger, creating Ultron to try to prevent another alien invasion, only to nearly destroy the entire planet. It’s always wise to mistrust the governments due to how corruptible and misguided they really are.
@@calvinkopp1735 I was Team Cap the entire movie although I understood Tony’s perspective wholeheartedly. If it had been Pre Winter Soldier Captain, he probably would’ve signed, but seeing something like S.H.I.E.L.D, something Peggy helped create, was capable of being compromised, he completely lost trust in government, and put his faith more in people. It’s pretty tragic but believable. Bucky’s words in Civil War, “It always ends in a fight.”
“What if they send us somewhere we don’t wanna go?”
“What if there’s somewhere we NEED to go and they don’t let’s us?”
God I love that table scene where everyone’s given there input on the accords
And how exactly is the Sovokia accords going to enforce it's control over the Avengers; a group of superhuman individuals? Is there going to be a committee that will argue the merits of a situation, debate back and forth amongst themselves, and come to some majority opinion compromise as to what they will tell or allow that the Avengers can or can't do? Then what? They send a carefully worded memo to the Avengers with detailed instructions? What if the Avengers just say "no"?
@@dongilleo9743 then it would be a crime and they'll lock them up. The accords states that the government will have authority over the avengers, meaning they'll have to answer "yes" everytime
@@SilverCrow0101 I know this is all theoretical, because it's a movie, but if the Avengers have to say "yes" every time they're told to do or not do something, are they still free individuals with individual rights, or just slaves in costumes. What rights do they have? Are they allowed to live freely where they want? Do they have to live in a compound together, under guard? Will the Sokovia accords eventually require that the Avengers be stored away frozen in capsules, like Bucky and the other Winter Soldiers were, only brought out for a mission, and put back in afterwards? It's easy to see that Steve, who actually fought against the Nazis, would be opposed to giving up his freedom like that.
What if the Avengers are given an order they feel is morally questionable, or outright wrong? Do they still have to obey? What if a questionable individual or group gets gets control of the accords, and wants to use the Avengers to achieve a political agenda or wipe out some political opponents?
And then there's enforcement. The Avengers are such that, if working together, I doubt any police force or military could stand against them,or arrest them. Ironman can simply fly away, and Tony has the assets to build comfortable hideouts all over the world. Black Widow is a super spy, who can easily change her identity or hide in plain sight. At the end of Civil War, Steve and his faction of Avengers walk away, drop off the grid, and aren't found until they decide to come forward on their own. Maybe they could all take refuge in Wakanda.
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"are they still free individuals with individual rights, or just slaves in costumes. What rights do they have?" they're free individuals
"Are they allowed to live freely where they want?" yeah, if they can afford it
"Do they have to live in a compound together, under guard? " nah
"Will the Sokovia accords eventually require that the Avengers be stored away frozen in capsules, like Bucky and the other Winter Soldiers were, only brought out for a mission, and put back in afterwards?" Nope
"It's easy to see that Steve, who actually fought against the Nazis, would be opposed to giving up his freedom like that." True
"What if the Avengers are given an order they feel is morally questionable, or outright wrong? Do they still have to obey?" Yes, that's one of Caps problems with it
"What if a questionable individual or group gets gets control of the accords, and wants to use the Avengers to achieve a political agenda or wipe out some political opponents?" Too bad for the avengers
as for the last Paragraph, yes they can all hide, half of them literally did that. Wakanda can't take refuge of criminals, since that could lead to a war, even if they keep it a secret, it would still be a disadvantage to have them.
but you're kinda overblowing Caps problem in Civil War. his problem in the accord is that all actions of the Avengers will be decided by the Government, and in the context of what happened in Winder Soldier, Captain America grew to distrust the government. "The safest hands are still our own" - Capt. Rogers.
i mean both tonys and caps argument is all valid. Tony is that "who will supervise or watch this superhumans or are we sure they are gonna be heroes or villain in disguise"
I think some people miss the part where Cap opens up to Tony and admits he’s open to the idea of oversight. “I’m not saying it’s impossible, but there would have to be safeguards”. So Cap isn’t completely “let me do whatever I want”, he just wants to make sure the Avengers are focused on saving the world and not being used by politicians.
The best method would be the one used in the comics by Stan Lee : The Avengers Charter and By-Laws. Funding by the Maria Stark Foundation, non-profit NGO.
Cap trusted SHIELD. It ended up being the evil empire he tried to give his life to stop. Now he isn't so blindly trusting. Tony has PTSD and guilt from Ultron driving his motives. To be honest I don't think Tony wants to have a philosophical debate or settle in a gray area, he just wants to be told what to do from now on so he can feel better about himself and blame someone else when something goes wrong.
If it's something Ross wants, I hardly trust it, after the crap he pulled.
So many ppl love Tony they just side with him ignoring the consequences and the price you have to give up ..just be told by a bunch of politicians who to fight and where to..a bunch of politicians who turn on a dime from hr to hr ..yeah Tony, let's trust them and let them lead us around.
@@shootingreal5945 Yeah. Tony was being kinda selfish in my opinion. He just didn't want to have the blame put on him anymore, so he decided to sign in order to Make sure the blame belongs to someone else.
Robert Downey, Jr's acting when Tony sees the tape is just fantastic. Such a heartbreaking moment.
Sorry but I gotta say. Bucky saying he remembers all of them is both a good and important thing to say. Firstly, you can audibly hear the pain in his voice. His voice shakes when he says it. He's suffering mentally and is tormented by the memories of everyone hydra forced him to execute including the starks. Yes, Tony may take it the wrong way. But it's the raw, brutal, and emotional truth.
Tony do all good. Bucky must to die. He know, Cap know, but lie to Tony. Guilty!
"He's like Terminator over here, but evil."
Sarah Connor would like to have a word with you.
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Lmao!
A machine is not evil or good...it is programed
She obviously meant the T2 terminator. 😏
@@Mundo_do_Ray Terminator isn't entirely a machine, is he?
Chadwick Boseman did this and his entire run in the MCU while suffering from the cancer that would eventually kill him.
Rest in Power, dude.
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Actually not true for civil war, he was diagnosed in 2016, civil war was filmed April-august 2015
@@themostawesomeistguy Having gotten diagnosed in 2016 doesn't automatically mean Chadwick was absolutely cancer free in 2015.
@@ItsMeBarnaby Get a job, bum.
@@themostawesomeistguy Cancer takes years to develop and diagnose. Its very rare to find out right when the cancer first forms. Colon cancer (what he died from) normally develops over an average span of 7 to 10 years.
The line that bucky says "i remember all of them" is said with pain in his voice imo.
So it paints a picture where Bucky probably has nightmares reliving the terrible things "he" did in the past.
So he is constantly tortured by these things, which is terrible since he didnt actually commit them. As in he wouldnt have done them (obviously he did it physically, but cause he was mindfucked)
You're 100% right, his PTSD is shown in parts in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show on Disney+
Yes, saying he's haunted by what he's done has far more impact than saying they were just nameless faces.
@@Gengrel ah yes, haunted is the correct word. I was struggling phasing the situation in my original comment ahah
Fax
He may not have done them consciously but he did do them. U can’t remove the action just because. To us we can understand as a watcher who is not effected. But u can’t tell someone who lost family to those actions to not feel a certain way about it.
When she says it's nice to see Steve and Tony as friends, but you know what's about to happen...
She said quite a few lines in this one where I was thinking... "oh boy"
Lol! I was like, 'Aww, bless her!'
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I love how both sides aren't 100% right or wrong - both are shades of gray - which is why it's so heartbreaking. A fantastic film!
Spot on. Anyone banging on about how either side was right is kinda missing the entire point
Agree with that. Nobody really wins here
Except that Steve was actually just wrong. His pride and arrogance, his honest belief that he was right, they blinded him. He should have signed.
The Accords were never about control, they were about responsibility. By signing, they would not give up their right to choose when and where to engage, or when and where not to. The UN couldn't enforce that if they tried, and everyone involved knew it. No, signing was about acknowledging that their actions could and _should_ be open to oversight and judgement by the people of Earth. That if they made mistakes, they submitted willingly to the justice of the world's people.
Steve was too arrogant. He held no trust that anyone other than him could possibly have been right. It got personal and he got wrong. Had he joined, he and Tony could have presented a united front. They could have gone in to get Bucky as a team, together, with authorisation, with the soldiers restricted to non-lethal. Bucky would have willingly submitted to be confined while a proper investigation took place, which would have meant better conditions and no access for Zemo to set him off. Hell, Steve could probably have personal guarded him.
Steve was wrong and I'm tired of people pretending he wasn't.
@@icedreamer9629 you are way wrong, and tired of pretending otherwise. Steve is acting rational. The accords were emotion based which is never the way to go. Steve has experience with entities becoming corrupted. But, hey, if you are willing to be a slave for someone else, that's you but stop pretending others should be forced because of your guilt and misconceptions.
@@icedreamer9629 Tony was overreacting out of guilt. His weapons hurt people, he created Ultron who destroyed Sokovia. He wanted the best, but due to ego he kept trying to control everyone. As for Steve, he'd been through the Winter Soldier incident. He was used by a government system that used deceit and manipulation and threats to control people, even without Hydra's influence.
You have a right to your opinion, but those who say both men were both right and wrong, aren't wrong.
I've seen a lot of reactors confused about the orange slices line. They were a common thing that moms would take turns to bring for us at halftime for sports like soccer when I was little
I think it was also a running gag from Ant-Man or Rudd's personal experience.
It's both that and a running gag from Ant-Man, but also because they've made it canon that shrinking/growing with Pym particles for a prolonged period of time lowers your electrolyte balance, which orange slices are good for bringing back up quickly.
Pro Football players eat orange slices on the sideline during games. It minimizes bruising, aches, & pains in the muscles and joints.
Also he just needed some sugar, going Gi-ant-Man burns a fuckton of calories. Yes that is an official ISO prefix.
Also works for headaches
I love how Scott puts on a mature, professional voice when talking to Captain America. Such a suck-up! :)
We Scotts will follow cap to hell and back and ask for seconds!
"Here's your shield, Captain America!"
@@dupersuper1938 Exactly! That line is so chipper and I'm-a-hero sounding! So proud to help Cap!
I heard someone say this once, I’m not how true it is though:
“We all would like to be a Steve Rogers, but we are merely a Scott Lang. Steve Rogers, the ideal and supposedly perfect person in the MCU. Scott Lang, the tries their best, makes mistakes, no where close to perfect.”
@@paulonius42 I enjoyed the mirroring of Peter wanting to impress Stark while Scott's all about impressing Cap, and during the same fight.
Scarlett Johansson's stunt double is Heidi Moneymaker and appears as one of the five Winter Soldiers in the training scenes
I believe Anthony Mackie's stunt double at the time was also one of them.
Is moneymaker really her last name?
They're all various characters stunt doubles. It's a nice little touch.
And yes, that's her real name.
She and her sister are great stunt doubles, including doubling for Jennifer Lawrence in The Hunger Games series.
I see a lot of reactors when Tony asks Bucky if he even remembers them, to which Bucky responds, “I remember all of them.” criticize Bucky for saying that, but they fail to see the tragedy in those words. Bucky remembers every single person he’s killed as the Winter Soldier but was not in control of his actions. The faces haunt him and we see how it impacts him later in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Great reaction, can’t wait for you to be caught up.
I had this exact thought, and I don't understand how some people don't realize this; what do they think he meant by saying that?
@@drayman101 glad I’m not the only one. Haha
Yeah, I can't remember who it was but they thought Bucky was taunting Tony by saying that. Its even worse because a conscious part of him was watching the brain washed version of himself commit all these terrible things in the name of Hydra and he was helpless to do anything about it.
@@joits yeah definitely not… haha I love Bucky, even though he was nerfed in TFATWS 🤦🏽♂️
@@drayman101 same. I never realized so many people didnt understand that lmao
This movie was felt like an Avengers sequel. It had new characters, conflict, tension, a misterious enemy, different sides and very memorable scenes
It kinda is like an avengers movie honestly but it’s not them assembling but the dismantling of the avengers
And they would be both on Steve’s side. So no chance for Tony at all.
Facts. If spiderman knew what the fight was about (like he finds out in the comics) he would have been on Cap's side too
yeah if someone was like "I'm going to have an Avengers marathon" they would be pretty lost without this movie.
I thought most of us just call it Avengers 2.5?
I like that both sides have right and both side have wrongs in the argument. You can understand both.
One thing that's often overlooked is that Bucky is the personification of the worst result of the accords/Tony side of the argument. He has no will and is the tool of powerful governing bodies. No free will himself. If the people controlling Bucky are good, then he does good. If they are I'll intentioned he's doing bad.
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EXACTLY! Tony’s judgement became askew, just like how he accused Steve of being. When in fact Steve was seeing the bigger picture of government control.
Also, Zemo’s manipulation of the whole situation had the same effect on Tony that the brainwashing Hydra did to Bucky had, to a certain extent.
This is an excellent point. I had never noticed that before.
This's a fairly disingenuous strawman. It's overlooked because it's wrong. Amendments could have been made the Accords, also none of them are brainwashed sleeper agents. There's a lot more nuance to it than this weird take.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, especially only after this movie, but I think the movies definitely try to show that Steve is in the right. It's why this is a Captain America movie, it's why Natasha lets him and Bucky escape at the final moment, and it's why they have Tony lose control at the end. Tony has a good heart but he's operating on emotion. It may make sense that the Avengers need some kind of oversight, but he's acting on his own feelings of guilt. And Steve is arguing that they do have oversight - themselves. We know they're good people with the best intentions. You even argue that when Ross is first going after them, before Tony comes out in favor of the Accords. Steve's experience is telling him that another institution stepping in to take control of their power is not necessary and may lead to harm. And I think he's right.
This definitely isn’t something that people get an opinion on. Cap is right, iron man is wrong. Freedom is right and slavery is wrong. Couldn’t be simpler
In the real world I'd be 100% on Tony's side, but in the MCU, where *every* large organization is inherently evil, I'm Team Cap all the way.
Especialy when you can look up what the acords actualy state and their not ethical and are not wven constitutional they wouldnt legaly be enforcwble thats how bad they are
Team Cap! He will always stand for what is right, not what is easy.
Couple of things... First an observation. Tony is saying they need oversight after being told that someone innocent died during their fight in Secovia (? spelling), yet he was the one who created Ultron without oversight. Tony creates almost all the problems Tony faces, so maybe only Tony is the one who needs oversight.
Second, a question. Why do Clint and Natasha have to sign the accords when they are not supers? Does every special forces soldier need to sign the accords?
"He's like The Terminator, but evil". 😄. *Sends V a copy of original Terminator movie*
We're barreling straight toward it, friends. Everything about this movie is great. Introduced to Spidey and Black Panther. The big rift in the Avengers. The airport scene. AND THE HUMOR! Just a masterpiece.
Agreed, also the villain got what they wanted in a way as well.
Also, the irony of watching scenes with a reactor who may or may not get the movie references... (I am glad that she did.)
The humor is part of the reason the movie is mediocre
@@chrismoore4724 Of course you have a Batman 2022 picture....
@@CaptainAmercia So just because I don't like Civil War I'm a DC fanboy?
26:00 for that line I do want to defend Bucky here. He 'remembers all of them', which means every one of them, every deaths, haunts him. He saw himself kill those people without any control over it. And he remembers it all. That's some serious PTSD my dude
Which reminds me of a certain MCU superhero we've seen of late on Disney+...
Cap knows that if he signs the accords he would keep his word and have to follow what they say, whereas Tony knows that the second he wants to go off book he will do it in a heartbeat (which he does in this movie). That is why I can never take Tony's side. He fights so hard and tears the Avengers apart for something that he would just disregard whenever he disagreed with it.
I cant take his side because the acord is ilegal and unconstitutional
'Fine for thee, but not for me,' is very much how Tony lives.
@@LordVolkov No it isn't.
He didn't go off the books. He literally went to either bring Steve and Bucky in, or obtain information that would exonerate them. Actually watch the movies.
Avengers fight... they save a 1000 people, 100 get killed.... put yourself in place of the families of the ones who were killed. Cap talks about seeing the other person's pov... he fought with Tony coz he saw Bucky's pov... well can't he see the pov of the families of the dead. Tony was right, they needed limits even if they break the pact in the future... but they needed to sign it to bring everything at peace in that particular moment...And also about Wanda, she needs limits in particular coz firstly she doesn't have that good of a control on her powers and the most important thing, she gets influenced by emotions too early... We've seen it before, people instigate her little bit and she looses it... she needed a boundary
Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Civil War, are probably my favorite MCU movies not counting the Avengers. Also, Thor Ragnorak too
SAME
Welcome to the club man! 👊
@@LukNwa lmao
"He's like Terminator, but evil...."
Yeah, you should definitely watch that movie.
I find that most people think they're remembering Terminator when theyre actually thinking of T2. T2 was definitely the better and more memorable of the two, but still Ive seen the two get confused a lot.
@@ImOnlyChasingSafety959 I'm not sure I'd agree that it's necessarily better. I think it definitely comes down to genre-preference. T1 is horror, T2 is action. Most people who like horror prefer T1, and most people who either don't like horror or just prefer action prefer T2.
For my money, as someone who prefers horror....T1 is absolutely the better film.
The Sokovia Accords always seemed like a rash reaction where no one really looked at the long term consequences, only the short term benefits. Plus the UN has a difficult enough time agreeing on anything to begin with. Giving them oversight over a group of enhanced people who have undoubtedly saved the world countless times, would only neuter the effectiveness of the Avengers. Not to mention it was shown in Winter Soldier that Hydra had not only infiltrated SHIELD, but also the US government, it's not farfetched to think they also would have people in the UN. It always struck me as odd that Tony wouldn't think of these things. That's why I've always sided with Cap in this movie. He's just trying to get to the bottom of what actually happened and help his friend along the way.
Actually we can blame Sokovia on Tony, since he was the one who created Ultron in the first place. Otherwise the city wouldn't have been elevated and all those people killed.
One could argue that Tony is projecting his own sense of guilt on the entire team.
And the fact that Tony doesn’t even believe what he’s preaching. Right after the accords were ratified he went and blackmailed a minor into fighting without having signed the accords…
@@GabrielTorres-ib4cg when in the movie were the accords signed? The original signing was bombed. So when did they go into effect?
Look at the major events the MCU had faced to this point:
1. Invasion: New York. The fault of SHIELD, the first organization to control the Avengers. 100% not the Avengers' fault.
2. Sokovia, OK, Tony (and, to a much lesser extent, Bruce) needs to own this one, which is all the more reason I don't want his opinion on the direction the Avengers will take.
3. HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD: The fault of SHIELD, the first organization to control the Avengers, and the mysterious "World Security Council,". 100% not the Avengers' fault.
And they want to give control of the Avengers to the UN, an organization that literally couldn't agree that fluffy puppies are cute if the fate of humanity rested upon it. Really?
In the real world, I could never sleep knowing that the Avenger's weren't under control. In the MCU, Tony couldn't be more wrong if his superhero name was Mistaken Man.
@@matthewkreps3352 I assume you mean by the UN? I've always assumed off-screen delegates met at another location and took the vote.
This is hands down my favorite MCU project. Regardless of whose side you're on, their respective solo movies explain why they've made these decisions to whether abide by new regulations or stick to their guns. It's also an interesting development for both leads--Captain America, the boyscout, is now the rogue, and Iron Man, the rogue, is now the boyscout.
Say rather Tony the rebel has become the face of the establishment.
It's certainly a way better heroes-vs-heroes movie than Dawn of Justice was. That said, I'd rather not have any more of these.
@@Nergalsama01 Oh, Dawn of Justice is rock bottom compared to this. PS, I'm a DC fan.
@@jarekgunther So am I. I have admittedly less experience with DC compared to Marvel, but I want good movies from both companies.
I actually strongly agree that going from Winter Soldier to this makes sense for Cap. The lesson of Winter Soldier should be ”powerful organisations shouldnt be allowed to do whatever they want without oversight. Because they eventually become corrupt” not ”we should be allowed to do whatever we want, No matter What any Government says. Because the safest hands are our own. And we need to be stubborn like Peggy say. What do you mean Peggy was one of the founders of SHIELD?”
I have to admit seeing Cap sent back to fight the confederacy would be pretty wizard.
I left a comment saying that I need that movie!
There was a comic about that. Steve Rogers is a Union soldier and gets his powers from a Native American ritual which causes a spike in interest in Native culture while Bucky gets his face burned off and starts the KKK. Fun times.
And the same people that call themselves 'patriots' would whine about the entire time.
This movie sets the stage for so much to come... the rift in the Avengers, a couple of future antagonists, the beginning of a certain relationship, and the course of Bucky's immediate future... not to mention introducing Spidey and BP. So pivotal!
It also pays off predictions from earlier movies.
The 'young' Tony at the beginning was close to what he looked like. I remember him from movies like 'Johnny be Good' and 'Back to School' as well as others from back when he was an up and comer.
He also appeared with James Spader (Ultron) in Less Than Zero.
Back To School + Weird Science...
Man, that final moment of Steve vs. Tony still gets to me. In that moment, Tony really thought Steve would kill him, and honestly, that's the main reason Steve wins. Tony could have guarded the reactor and kept fighting otherwise.
I think it was just instinctual self preservation and Steve reacted quickly enough to end it in the best way possible.
Yes, Good point to mention. People tend to judge others by how they themselves think. Tony was out to kill Bucky, so he thought Cap might go that far as well. Cap used that thinking to his advantage.
Sure
I think this is a good thing to note. Tony was out for blood. Cap was trying to stop the fighting.
“If you go back and look at the sequence, just about everything Cap does, every move he makes, is to disable.” - Joe Russo
Cap ‘wins’ because he majorly handicapped Tony by ripping his helmet off first. With Tony now *_extremely_* vulnerable, he will instinctively guard his face, leaving the reactor exposed.
If you look back at Spider-Man vs Bucky and Falcon, Bucky isn’t so much shocked his punches was stopped cause black panther did it too his shock was Peter’s voice and realizing he almost punched a kid with his full super soldier strength and a robotic arm.
Orange slices: good when you've over exerted yourself. I think it's kind of a soccer mom type thing, orange slices after a game.
Traditional refreshment during game breaks. He was calling a time-out.
Pro Football players eat orange slices during games too. It minimizes bruising and pain in the joints & muscles.
Orange slices are also pure sugar which is something ants like, too.
While Tony and Steve have always annoyed each other because they have clashing personalities, you can tell they always respected each other. Even in the first Avengers movie when Tony keeps teasing Steve for being so straight laced, he then says to Loki describing Steve 'there's a living legend that kinda lives up to the legend'
And in Infinity War Steve tells Ross that “Earth just lost its best defender.”
In regards to Tony going to space to fight. Good stuff, always mutual respect.
That motorcycle grab is such an underrated epic moment. Gives me chills still. The Russo brothers are incredible directors.
Edit: Plus that helicopter pull, amazing.
Tony Stark:
- Develops Weaponry
- Creates a highly weaponized armor suit that can fly
- Creates AI Assistant
- Crates a more highly weaponized armor suits that can fly
- Creates an army of self-controlling suits
- Ceates a "Indestructible" AI Hero infused with the power of a whole Infinity stone
Also Tony Stark: can't grasp the simple concept of Mind Control
Steve and Tony both had accurate points. Steve was right when he said they might be kept from helping people who needed them, and Tony was right in saying they should get on board before they get something worse than the Accords pushed on them.
The biggest instigator was time. They were given three days notice on the Accords, no doubt intentional on Ross' part to make it as hard as possible for them to argue their case to the U.N., given his dislike of powered people in general. Then, Peggy passes. Right after, the U.N. is attacked. Steve goes to bring Bucky in safely, then that all falls apart. They literally had no time to just sit and talk about anything. It was one sucker punch after another.
Tony also handled Wanda wrong. He outright called her a weapon of mass destruction, despite the fact he literally made Ultron. Tony has a problem with over-correcting. When he does something wrong, he goes too far trying to set things right. He easily could have spoken to Wanda himself and told her it wasn't safe for her to leave, because people would try to instigate a fight with her to make her use her powers and turn her into a villain. He didn't do that.
As for Steve and Sharon, another CZcams channel put it best. He's finally decided it would be nice to have something for himself. A life, a relationship. No, they didn't have a lot of chemistry, but Steve had shown interest in her before. He asked her out in Winter Soldier, but then things went sideways, so he does like her.
I think Ultron was Wanda's doing she purposely lead Tony to create Ultron.
I always blamed her.
@@ThePunisherisme She didn't lead Tony to that. He was the on so obsessed with a 'suit of armor around the world' and 'peace in our time' that he actively hid what he was doing from everyone but Banner.
@@TimedRevolver remember the mind stone if it wasn't for Wanda Ultron would be like Jarvis. Since Wanda saw Tony's he let Tony take the scepter
@@TimedRevolver bro Wanda literally gave him the idea of creating Ultron.Even if she didn't,she definitely boosted his desire to create Ultron.Still wanda's fault.PS-Also i don't like her in general.Love Tony though,he's the goat.
True but Tony's reasoning was more realistic than cap's so I'm on Tony's side.
LOL, Tony is LITERALLY trying to murder Bucky and you're like, "Aww, don't hit Iron Man!"
Bruh did you not watch the part where Bucky killed his parents???
@@mikeseiber5791 In a fictional world where you can be mind controlled, are you actually responsible for something you had no conscious ability to control?
@@mikeseiber5791 And?? They're just supposed to let him kill Bucky?
@@mikeseiber5791 Hydra killed his parents.
@@mikeseiber5791 We know Bucky wasn't himself.
In the end, T'Challa did what Tony could not. He didn't give into his compulsion for revenge for the death of their parents.
thing is T'challa was lied to etc by his friend who knew everything etc also the way in which thier parents died is different
Tony had been under a great amount of stress for a very long time starting with his PTSD in IM3. When Black Widow & Cap found out in CA2 that Hydra had killed Tony's parents, it seems they both agreed not to tell Tony because they felt Tony was already near a breaking point. He might have crossed a line while they were all hunting Hydra agents (ending in A: Age of Ultron).
At the end of this movie, Cap literally not only saved Bucky, Cap also saved Tony from becoming a murderer. Tony's mind was set for revenge, just like Zemo's. Black Panther's mind was there too, for a little while.
@@NateL1992 To me this is one of those things that have to be pieced together for it to make sense.
We know Black Widow is an expert in psychological profiling (from IM2, Avengers, etc.). We know that until Shield's collapse (in CA2), Shield kept a psychological profile on all the Avengers the best they could, including Tony. Therefore, Black Widow had to be involved with those Shield profile updates.
Black Widow (BW) had to have had some insight about Tony's mental state from IM3. She also always considered Tony too unstable to be Avengers material from the beginning.
Since the Avengers had been hunting Hydra agents, it is fair to see why Black Widow would have felt it to be risky to tell Tony "We are hunting the organization that killed your parents, Tony. Try not to seek revenge or get reckless."
Combine that with what Wanda had told Cap about Tony's decision making being similar to Ultron's (in Avengers 2), we can see why both Cap and BW could still not fully trust Tony enough to tell him.
I would like to believe that both Cap & BW wanted to wait until Tony was less stressed out / less erratic / less reckless before revealing the truth of his parents death. Personally speaking, I think Tony attempting to commit murder actually proves Cap & BW were correct to withhold the information.
@@dunringill1747 sadly not many people try to understand these points about Tony, Steve and Natasha.
But Cap is also the reason things went as far as they did. In the end, no one actually sat down and talked about it like adults.
@@mechanomics2649 Well, that's the entire debate, isn't it? If they were all adults then we wouldn't have a movie. I will argue that the movie isn't perfect and has some weak plot elements to it. So we are left with discussing how Tony's mental state drives the story arc and how can we make that sound organic.
It's about timing. It makes sense that finding out the way he did should make Tony furious with Cap & sick to even look at Bucky. However, furious enough to attempt murdering Bucky? That takes some emotional instability. Tony being unstable isn't Cap's fault.
"If only Cap & Nat allowed Tony time to process his grief." They would first need to feel comfortable that the time was right to tell Tony his parents were murdered. Hence the story arc. It's not like Cap and Nat could have predicted Zemo & his elaborate plan coming in first to send Tony over the edge.
On that point, Zemo is fortunate Cap & Nat didn't tell Tony and allow him to process the murders. If they did, then it would have completely taken away where Tony could be furious with Cap. Cap said "I didn't know it was him." Cap & Nat only knew Hydra committed the Stark murders. Cap did not know brainwashed Bucky was the tool used.
With regards to the Sokovia Accords, Cap is right. Governments in the MCU are terribly corrupt. Hydra had Shield under its control. Secretary Ross is the one that created The Hulk and pursued him recklessly. Giving him the policing power over the Avengers?! Bad idea. There's no one that could be trusted more to decide things like this than Steve Rogers. He always does what's right. Tony is just trying to get rid of his guilt since he created Ultron. But as a narcissist, he can't accept his sole role in this and projects it onto all the Avengers. The only Avenger that really needed to be kept in check was Stark himself.
Even in our world I wouldn't trust the UN for anything significant. Iran & Russia are on the Human Rights Council for crying out loud.
Since when do we let dictators or criminals vote on what the Avengers are allowed to do?
In this sense, the MCU is like life. Centralized power ALWAYS ends up in the hands of the corrupt, which is why the US Constitution limited federal power so much. Sadly, we've let it gradually grow to a leviathan that would make the founders weep.
Exactly right. And Tony seemed to understand that in IM2, when the government tried to take his tech. And he seemed to understand it again in Avengers, when they tried to nuke New York. But he seems to forget that here. Tony is always portrayed as the highly rational, unsentimental engineer. But in this movie, he's written as an emotional, petulant child.
And Ultron wasn't even entirely Tony's fault - he was operating under the influence of Wanda's mind-control, which in turn was because of Hydra.
@@sifumode9460 depends on the founders you asked. It was always a debate on how to balance jurisdiction and power.
Well, I'd say that Wanda shouldn't be left to her own devices either...
The webs that Spider-Man shoots from his web-shooters don't last long. They dissolve in about an hour or two.
True if I remember correctly in the comics Parker made them biodegradable
Have to admit, Cap time traveling back to the American Civil War could be an awesome movie.
In most versions, Spider-Man's webs dissolve on their own in about an hour. Usually only someone with his level of strength or greater can break them. Otherwise, they just turn into goop and then nothing. Idk how it works with organic webs like Tobey Maguire's version though lol.
Zemo, who is played masterfully, is the 2nd most successful villain at defeating the Avengers. And he's only a man. Just a man with some military training. Pretty impressive.
In my humble opinion ...Tony was 1000% wrong about the accords and about buck. The secretary had no right to preach to the avengers since he was part of the same group of people who fired a nuclear missile at New York and its civilians in "The Avengers". That being said this is one of the best Marvel movies. Cap is my favorite hero and you one of my most favorite reactors of all time.
Basically any idea that Ross likes is probably wrong. Between the nuke in the first Avengers and the stuff he did in The Incredible Hulk it's clear this is not a man who makes good decisions. Safe bet is gonna be to do the opposite of whatever he supports.
I love how Steve and Tony are both right and wrong when it come to the Accords and still to this day i still can't choose who i genuinely side with.
This is a brilliant MCU movie but it isn't in the top 3....they are still to come....it's about to get sooooo much better
"You know if they find out he's here, they'll come for him."
This line was a non-specific foreshadowing of...someone/thing else. 😉
"I don't understand the basis for them arresting Cap"
he just beat the shit out of about a dozen cops while aiding the escape of a wanted fugitive
He took them down in the most non lethal way. Bucky was the one beating them into a pulp, which considering what they were there for he had every right to do so
@@icegodsavior8885 Well, next time you are going to be arrested, try to put down the officers with gently non-lethal punches and kicks, i'm sure everybody will understand you,
@@juanausensi499 The point of my comment was to correct some misinformation.
@@icegodsavior8885 Understood. Thanks.
The ending of this between Zemo and T'challah is absolutely one of my favorite MCU scenes. And stealing cars is very much a Cap move in the movie from the 90's and I'm glad he's doing it again.
Keep it up Vicky, the MCU will keep getting better and better as you go on. Good luck 🌟⭐️🌟🌟💯💯💯!
Personally I can't side with Stark in this conflict.
Firstly, as the plot progresses, he relies less on facts and more on emotion, until he gets to a point where he is attempting to kill a war victim for something the man was forced to do. Steve was also acting emotionally but his choices had more basis in the facts of the crisis.
Stark almost murdered an Innocent man and the governments would have applauded him instead of making him atone.
However, his worse crime is regarding Spiderman. Parker is undertrained, having only a civilian education. This is someone you protect and remove from danger. Stark instead chose to bring a civilian into a conflict. He also indoctrinated the poor kid by withholding the proper explanation of the crisis and instead feeding him Starks own beliefs alone.
Roger's wasn't perfect, but he only took trained and talented individuals who wanted to be there for their own beliefs. Stark tricked a civilian into almost helping him run down and murder a victim of mind control.
Agreed.
Stark, like in most of the MCU movies, is also incredibly self-centered, even here. He's trying to pressure Steve and the others into agreeing with the accords not because it's what's best for the Avengers, but because he himself feels guilty, just like he ended up creating Ultron because he felt guilty/scared.
He's making these huge decisions that'll affect everyone, but never asks for anyone else's opinions or input. He makes it all about himself, thinking he knows best and that he has all the answers.
Yeah Tony turns into a straight up government shill.
Tony's main motivation to join the accords is out of fear. Understandable but I am team Cap because sometimes people try to take your freedom using fear as a tool to do so.
Coolest thing about this film, Steve and Tony were both right, while also both being wrong. The correct position was somewhere in the middle. To me its very reflective of todays political climate.
The action and humor is top notch, and I hate to tell you this. While every movie after this keeps getting better and better. The MCU hasn't even begun messing with your heart yet.
What political climate are you in? As far as the US goes, the correct position is not in the middle and hasn't been since at least Nixon.
When Steve and Tony are saying, "He's my friend. "So was I." I honestly preferred the version in the trailer rather than the movie.
In the trailer, both men are injured and torn up at how Zemo has succeeded in splitting the Avengers from within. When Tony responds with, "So was I," you can see he is crying because he is legitimately heartbroken over all of this. Everything they had been through together; founding the Avengers, New York, HYDRA, Sokovia, Ultron. He doesn't want to fight a trusted friend, but Cap defending the man who brutally murdered his parents (mind controlled orders aside) is considered an act of betrayal that he never saw coming.
In the movie, he looks so furious that it takes away the impact of the heart break.
"He's like terminator over here, but evil"
You've never seen The Terminator have you?
My first guess was she's only seen the second.
Cap breaks the head of the iron man suit before breaking the power source, he was still being a friend. He broke it off so tony wasn't stuck inside with the power gone. I would think he could run out of oxygen cause of the suit not having power.
yep. notice that the first thing Tony did when Rhodey plummeted was take his face plate off
22:00 The joke is that Big Mode _really_ burns through energy. So he feels like he ran a dozen marathons.
The green in the blue of his eye is a reference to hulk because hulk serum was supposed to replicate caps but it failed
No it wasn't. It was a reference to Nazi ideology.
It's always odd to see people react to these actors de-aged when i was alive when they actually looked that way lol
PS when bucky says he remembers all of them he means he's haunted by everyone he was forced to kill and the guilt of what he did
Being forced to do something horrible against your will and always remembering it. One would think a female would be the first to get the symbolism . . . .
Right? I’m solidly old enough to remember watching RDJ at tbt movies back in ye olde eighties. They did a pretty bang up job de-aging him to how he looked at that age. Not perfect, but impressive nonetheless.
@@TheSirUno You can definitely see Weird Science RDJ in the BARF face 🤣
@@terrylandess6072 She’s team Tony get over it.
To be honest, Tony had his reasons in the final fight in civil war. His parents were killed, and he just found out after he tried to trust cap and bucky again.
That could've been avoided if cap had told Tony before this. It would be a hard pill for Tony to swallow, but it wouldn't have the outcome it did in civil war.
“She saved his life! Amazing! What a close call!”
Vicky, tons of innocents died in that explosion.
"Tons of innocents" would have died either way. Cap was surrounded by them when the bomb went off.
@CYB3R2K30 yep. Almost every reactor I've seen watch this movie celebrates Wanda until the moment Steve calls for Fire and Rescue assistance.
Marvel dropped the ball a bit, there... Probably in the name of preserving that almighty PG-13 rating.
When Tony asked Bucky "Do you even remember them?" And Bucky responds with "I remember all of them"
At that moment, Bucky doesn't hide from what he's done, even in the face of death. Every person he's killed weighs heavily on his conscience, and it's his responsibility to carry every single one. He'll never put it down, even when it might save him.
Given his super serum and time spent frozen, Bucky will carry them for a long time indeed.
Yeah, tactically the wrong thing to say at that moment, but morally (and strategically, though that's not the impetus) so very right.
Too many films between now and infinity war!
Also, cap is right.
Tony is acting irrationally, letting the death of a kid at "his" hands guilt trip him into STILL wanting to put a suit of armour around the world and where nobody gets hurt.
Tony is too afraid of being responsible for his actions when things go bad, which is why he'd rather defer to others.
Cap is mature enough and has the integrity to accept the consequences of things going bad, not just the good.
That's why Cap's really the leader. He doesn't believe in not helping. He wouldn't be able to just sit by if governments with ulterior motives and agendas prevented them from helping. And I believe that neither would Tony. He would just flout the rules still. All the glory none of the responsibility. Gets to blame someone else if things go bad.
A good leader isn't judged by good outcomes, but how they handle the bad ones.
Tony took a hit, and instead of getting back up, he ran and hid. Unwilling and unable to accept the weight of his own actions if things go bad and he's the one who decided to act, so he's fine with the idea of someone else deciding for him.
And his parents, that part is just him lashing out. If he had succeeded, well...
It might shock you to know that there are movies that have come out before this one. It isn't a standalone movie. It wasn't "letting the death of a kid at his hands guilt trip him". There is a lot more going on than that.
No, Cap is not right either. A paramilitary group of enhanced individuals can't go parading around where ever they feel like it whenever they feel like it with no oversight and no one to answer to.
Hey V! I just wanted to explain the line about "a little green, in his blue eyes".
The incredible Hulk, in this timeline, was tricked into working with hydra, who was trying to remake Captain America's super serum.
Bruce banner got injected with the serum, and when the lab had a meltdown, Bruce got hit, and transformed into the Hulk. Hulk's eyes are glowing emerald green.
And to explain why Hulk is Hulk, and Cap is Cap.
Remember what the doctor said: "what's good, becomes great. What's bad, becomes worse."
The Nazi guy was corrupt, and desired power, he got power, but his body was corrupted.
Cap was just, kind, and desired to protect the innocent. He became powerful and perfect.
Bruce Banner was indecisive and admitted to having alot of anger problems. When he transformed, he became the most powerful avenger of the group, but he could never use that power willingly, because his anger was what turned into the Hulk.
Not to mention that Thaddeus Ross made Bruce Banner a fugitive from the US military and wanted to weaponize the Hulk.
OMG, Vkunia's reaction during Antman's surprise, was AWESOME!!!
Keep your videos coming!
Really providing the positive vibes throughout my week!
Everybody argues over team cap vs team tony, when the real villain was the selfishness of people. Love the video Vicky
The reason for Sharon’s speech (which is a slight rewrite of a famous Captain America comic speech) was to set the stage for the conflict between Cap and Tony.
Cap sees that signing the accords and bowing to pressure would end in the avengers being used by politicians, and most likely as weapons. They’d have to stand by and watch as people were hurt, cities attacked, etc based on the politics of the moment. They might be ordered to attack someone or something that didn’t deserve it, because of the politics of the moment.
Tony lost sight of that because of his own trauma and guilt. His position is understandable, but it’s the wrong one. History has proven time and time again that governments can’t be trusted with too much power, and the avengers have too much power to trust to the government.
Cap and the people that followed them understood that they could not compromise as Tony wanted. To do so would ruin the avengers, and make them weapons of governments. Tony and the other avengers should have stood up for what’s right. Governments of the World can’t control the avengers unless the avengers allow it.
And in the end segment, I also understand Tony’s rage. But his desire to kill someone who was literally mind controlled into murdering his parents is also clearly the WRONG position in the conflict. His emotions are understandable, but holding Bucky to account and killing him is wrong, selfish, and short sighted. Unfortunately, that’s true of a lot of Tony’s decisions and motivations, which is what makes him such an interesting contrast to more traditional heroes.
I love that speech Zemo gives when Black Panther confronts him. You get to see why he did it, and even understand him a little. And the craziest thing is, he kinda won. Sure, nobody on the Avengers died, but he caused a rift so massive half of them went into hiding. Can you name another villain up to this point that has managed that?
That, and so many other reasons, is why this movie will always have a special place in my heart.
You make reactions look easy and your commentary and style are so engaging. E.g. “ Cap will be the ultimate pong player” is just comedic genius. Lol. Luv it!
Steve choosing Bucky over the shield is so fucking important and amazing, i love that moment so much.
I can't rewatch this movie bc it hurts too much, so i usually just rewatch the incredible airport fight scene.
I am full on team Cap in this one and not bc i am team Bucky (come on, he wasn't in control) yes Steve should have told Tony but Bucky is his closest friend his home so of course he would do whatever it takes to protect him. But the accords are ridiculous and horrible (and illegal btw, Tony's lawyers could have easily gotten the avengers out of them but Tony was too filled with guilt and self hatred after that woman cornered him and guilt tripped him, so he didn't think it through)
Amazing movie and so complex
Well, he remembers all of them because he is haunted by them, but again you will find out more about that later. You are probably one of the few who came out of this movie (that i know of) who sided with Stark in it. Surprising to say the least. :)
A lot of lady reactors side with Stark 😏 Bias is a hell of a thing.
Not surprising given her history of siding with entrenched power/wealth in past reactions
Steve and Tony's friendship really kinda reminds me of myself and one of my friends. We're both frequently arguing back and forth and roasting each other, but at the end of the day, we're friends for a reason.
If you think about it, Bucky responding the way he did was a bit intentional. There's that scene where Tonay asks him if he remembers and he responded that he remembered them all.
It would have been smart to respond another way, but if you go back and watched the first Captain America and refresh yourself as to who Bucky is as a person, you have to believe that all those memories of killing all those people are eating him up from the inside. So, the way he responds is because the guilt in him makes him think that it probably would be the best for Tony to exact at least a fraction of justice by killing him. He fights against Tony because he knows that Tony is probably too good to kill him in cold blood, so he's giving him the excuse to kill him in self defense.
Thank you for this. Most people forget that Bucky was a good guy, and hero for Steve during WWII.
And I always felt the same way, that Bucky and Steve were not only trying to defend themselves, but trying to keep Tony from becoming a murderer.
However, Bucky also felt like he deserved to die, when Steve tells him what he did all those years wasn’t his fault, Bucky replies with
“I know, but I did it.”
Lots of good stuff in this movie.
@20:06, that’s what made Spider-Man so unique - he is a kid. Prior to his debut teenaged superheroes were always sidekicks to the main hero. But with Spider-Man he is a kid with an insane amount of power.
Fun fact: in the original comics Bucky was Captain America’s teenaged sidekick.
He was later retconned to secretly be a highly trained wet works operative who “did the dirty work Captain America couldn’t personally do”
really bugs me that this version of Spiderman is a completely worthless coward...
@@Spottedfeather
@@thomashiggins9320 How am I a troll, a-hole ? Iron Man and Captain America ARE worthless cowards. Iron Man because he's basically hitler, wanting superheroes to registers with the government just because of who they are. Captain America, because he didn't tell Tony that Bucky killed his parents because he wanted to protect his friend.
And Spiderman is a worthless coward because he was helping Tony.
How does any of this make me a troll, a-hole ?
One of the saddest films of the MCU. Our favourite heroes are fighting each other and shes like: YEEEEEEAAAAH!!! I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!!!!😂😂😂
26:28 There are 2 Baron Zemos in the comics. Heinrich Zemo was a Nazi scientist who created a hardened glue weapon during WWII but during a fight with Cap his mask got glued to his head. In the present day Heinrich died in a rockslide during another fight. His son Helmut Zemo is the second one and at first wanted revenge but later tried to become a hero. This film's Zemo is Helmut.
Helmut Zemo, the first villain to actually succeed in his mission to destroy Avengers.
This is a good movie to rewatch once you watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier, it gives more depth to Buckys line about remembering everyone he's killed.
The beauty of this movie is that it doesn't simplify the tension in black and white terms, but rather in realistic ideological and personal conflicts. It's always a source of contention of who's side is right, just like in real life. Brilliant writing.
Except Captain America is clearly right every step of the way
Cap in the movies seems about as strong as Spider-Man in the comics, so it makes sense that him and Bucky could run at at least 100mph if not more
In some of the comics, the spider that bites Peter is a continuation of the super soldier program that created Cap, so it makes sense they are about the same strength wise
That’s definitely not the case. Comic Spidey is way stronger than his MCU counterpart, who in turn is way stronger than Cap. MCU Cap is based off the Ultimate’s universe in terms of strength (and costume design).
Love the fact that Steve Rogers, no matter the difficulty. It was never to kill. Only to immobilize.
Other than the big hitters still coming up, this was the Marvel movie I was most impressed with. The Captain America films are my favorite.
Considering Tony created Ultron and caused the deaths of so many in Sokovia. He's in the wrong here, his guilty conscience is driving him and he sold everyone out for what he thinks is protection. Steve knows first hand the dangers of trusting people that all have their own agendas is wrong and easily corruptible.
Vision's powers are not really fully described, but the chief among them is his ability to control his density. So he can become so non-dense that he can pass through solid objects, or increase his mass until the floor is unable to support him. That's what Wanda did, she hijacked his density power and increased his density so much that not only was he no longer strong enough to stand up, but he fell through the floor.
When Tony was mopping up the messes he helped create on his own, it was all good. Once he dragged everyone else into those messes, that's when it all fell apart. And whether he's just rolling his eyes at Cap or conspiring to create Ultron or blasting Sam in the chest, he has this penchant for impatience and not listening to anyone else which always ends badly.
Re the spider goop: at least in the funny books, it degrades on its own pretty quickly. I presume Peter has a solvent for it, since he created the fluid.
Youre probably the first reactor I've watched that so clearly sides with Tony's side, and I found it particularly interesting... Everyone is allowed their opinions obviously, but I cant understand how signing up your free will to make choices can ever be considered the right side.
Great reaction nonetheless keep them coming
Laws are "signing up your free will". Freedom for the sake of it is not freedom for everyone. Someone is going to pay for it.
Steve was and is always in the right. Tony's ego always makes him take decisions that aren't the best. Epic narcissism is not a good quality and Tony is the poster boy for epic narcissism.
Agreed. We've seen in several movies how the people in charge have been ready to nuke New York, and we know, that both senators, vice-presidents, the secretary of defense and other high placed people are infiltrated by Hydra. And they wanna put those people in charge of The Avengers? No thank you.
And Rogers was wise not to trust the governments after everything H.Y.D.R.A. had done for decades. He doesn’t want to be anyone’s puppet anymore. It’s not just Tony’s arrogance that clouds his judgment to join the Accords but also his shame and regret. Putting Pepper in mortal danger, creating Ultron to try to prevent another alien invasion, only to nearly destroy the entire planet. It’s always wise to mistrust the governments due to how corruptible and misguided they really are.
19:52 This is quite subtle (well, kinda not subtle at all), but notice that not only does Spiderman *catch* Winter Soldier's punch, but also twists it down to the side while admiring it, with Bucky having a "What the actual f*ck?!?" look on his face. He doesn't even register any pain from the hit either, nor is he moved back from a literal full force, full body punch from Bucky. The reason for that is that Spiderman, in almost any incarnation, is among the top 20 to 30 strongest superhumans that have ever existed. It's only his moral code ("With great power comes great responsibility") and the fact that he's all around a good guy that keeps it in check.
In the Marvel universe (comics and movies), Spidey is canonically stronger than Thor or Hercules, physically, and is almost on par with The Hulk. His punching force carries up to 40 tons per square inch, and he has demonstrated it by punching through several inches of armor in one hit, and has even been able to dent adamantium, which is second only to vibranium (Cap's shield and Black Panther's suit are vibranium, Wolverine's skeleton/claws and Silver Samurai's armor are adamantium). His lifting strength is unknown, but in the comics he has been shown having difficulty somewhere in the range of 75 tons, but is perfectly fine lifting 50 or so tons without breaking a sweat. Spiderman is *ridiculously* strong, but with a great moral compass and the fact that he still believes in the good of mankind despite all the horrible things that happens to him and his.
I think it's a sign of how great this screenplay is, that some reactors are firmly on Tony's side, some are firmly on Cap's side, and some sympathize with both of them equally.
Cap: "Rumlow's got a biological weapon!"
Vicky: "Is that Bucky? It's Bucky, isn't it?"
Team Cap all the way. Tony is projecting his own guilt at having created Ultron. Superheroes are effective precisely because they are not bogged down by politics and bureaucracy, and are pure of heart. If Tony feels he needs to be babysat in order to be Iron Man, then he SHOULDNT be Iron Man.
Tony was all the way right too stupid. Tony wanted tl safe the earth he saw the Alien army Thanos army in space he can't even sleep at the night due to that terrible scene. That's why he created ultron. If i had killed your mother and father and i was in front of you what shall you do. Stupid
Tony Stark feels responsible for Sekovia because he is the cause of it. After the events in the first Avengers, he realized that the world needed more protection. So he built Ultron. In a sense, though, he felt that he didn't want to build weapons anymore, so he would build a shield. Ultron backfired because Tony forgets that the greatest present danger to people, is people. Ultron recognized this and set about his mission. In essence, rather than empowering peace, Tony got ready for a war that, ironically, he was not ready for! So, it was more out of guilt than pathos that he wanted everyone to sign the accord. Roger, on the other hand, knew first-hand what "always following orders" can lead to. More than that, he knew how corruptable governments and military forces can be (from WWII and Hydra, and from events in Winter Soldier.) Even in SHIELD, it was Hydra giving the orders in the end, which is why Steve and Sam had to finally bring the organization down. Of course Steve, Sam and others didn't want to sign the accord. Both Tony and Steve wanted to do what is right, both wanted to follow their conscience. And in the end, the very end, both "agreed to disagree" and work together when they need to.
"Has anyone got any orange slices?" Paul Rudd adlibbed that line, and later said he was thinking about when he was a kid after a sports match they'd have snacks like orange slices for all the kids.
I know bucky wasn't himself but man I would probably react like Tony did ,especially after discovering that they kept it a secret from you. The rage and sadness in that moment would probably enable you to do anything regardless if it is actually right.
Zemo turned Tony into a weapon. Just like Hydra did with Bucky.
Both were mentally manipulated into taking an innocent life 😔
Problem with Tony's zealotry about the accords is that he was basically projecting his own guilt. Nobody died in Sokovia because the Avengers did damage trying to stop Ultron; they tied in Sokovia because Tony invented Ultron in the first place. The only one that ever needed an adult in the room as a check on him was Tony. Team Cap all the way.
Team Tony all the way.
Free-range border-crossing vigilante superheros would be very problematic in the real world. We tend to idealistically align with Steve because we know they are the good guys, but in reality the accords would be imposed from minute zero, no options.
They are just an unsupervised army that answers to no one. Imagine the situation with any army trying to do the same.
Caps note at the end makes him think they're okay. But Tony is still feeling those emotions and does still in later movies
No, young Tony was not CGI. They put RDJ in the Delorean from Back to the Future, brought back the 21 year old version, had him do the scenes, and sent him back.
It was much cheaper thsn CGI since the time machine was paid for already.
Spidey's webbing dissolves after an hour.
can we not ignore the fact that Bucky was forced to commit these atrocities against his will and remembers every single one of them? He's a slave to his own brainwashing and torment and Cap is just trying to help him because that's what friends do for each other when they are suffering.
Tony did have a huge Ego on this. He feels that every death, every accident is his fault when it really isn't. He can't be everywhere at once and he can't save everyone, something that he's going to have to get square with someday. Because of this guilt his ego is carrying, he imprisoned his friends, submitted to having his superhero duties only relegated by the government, and didn't see the positives of how many lives he did save before being put in check. I see he feels he has a responsibility to the world, but he also has a responsibility to himself and those around him, and that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Ultron & the Sokovia disaster were Tony's fault. He invented Ultron, and that led to the widespread destruction & death. QED.
@@Caseytify Wanda pushed Tony into it.
I remember the time around when this came out Most people sided with Tony, I always thought that Steve was the most relatable person in the movie, as most people admired the responsibility for ton signing the accords, I always thought of it as tony practicing (Damage Control), even when it came to the plot of the movie, people sided with tony for his anger towards a guy who's mind was being controlled, while I still related to Steve, Yes, I would have kept that secret from tony! why you ask? My answer is the last fight scene, it shows how much of an irrational emotional response tony had... Coming from the same person who created AI...
I'd just call it inconsistent writing. Tony's character is completely changed in this movie. He was always a rational, scientific, unemotional person. Here, he becomes an emotional, petulant, child throwing a temper tantrum.
Tony being the one whose movie started the MCU combined with the fact he's that mid-late 00s flavor of "cool a-hole" that edgelords love made him more of a fan favorite than he has any right to be. He's a whiny man-baby who is responsible for the death of thousands but people act like he's some tragic softboi that needs a blanket and a cuddle. Gag me.
@@PhilBagels Tony's one of the most emotionally messy and un-disciplined people in the MCU. He was a irresponsible, spoiled party boy in IM 1 whose neglect in oversight over his company led to terrorists killing thousands of innocent people. In both IM 2 and 3 he's in constant hysterics- throwing a party where he gets drunk, fires weapons in a crowd, and publicly urinates himself (IM2) and giving the villain his home address and publicly challenging him to attack, which nearly gets his gf killed (IM3) AoU had Tony's ego blown up to such a degree that it led him to irrationally create an AI that nearly destroyed the world because he thought he was some kind of savior.
@@PhilBagels Tony stark, rational, unemotional, scientific... wait you mean the guy who publicly revealed where he lived live on TV, as a casual meetup location with a terrorist, and then got surprised by the attack on his (at the time) residential house, putting the woman he supposedly loved but was being too nervous to marry in danger? Makes sense!
Just a reminder that bucky is supposed to have killed JFK but in the X-Men movies magneto is supposed to have tried to stop the JFK assassination, meaning there could have been a movie where bucky had to fight magneto
There could still be since everything is canon now apparently