Full Review | 2018 Winnebago Era 70M | The Only Class B with a Slideout and Dry Bath!
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- The Era 70M is one of only a few class B vans with a dry bath and the only class B on the market with a slide-out!
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Like all Eras, the 70M comes with the 3.0L V6 Mercedes Sprinter diesel engine with a 5 speed automatic transmission that delivers 188hp and 325 lbs-feet of torque. This is the upgraded Mercedes chassis that has all the Mercedes safety features including: lane keeping, cross wind and blind spot assist as well as collision detection, automatic high beams and windshield wipers. This is 170inch wheel-based Sprinter chassis which means you also get dually rear wheels and Winnebago has also opted for the extended length chassis which means that the 70M's length is 24' 3" - 1.5 feet longer than the standard length 170inch wheel-based Sprinter chassis so it's definitely one of the longest class b vans available on the market today. You'll be taking up two standard parking spaces with this coach.
This is not a 4 season coach. There are water lines and holding tanks exposed to the outside and none of the water lines are wrapped in heat tape nor is there an option to add heat pads to the holding tanks. You will need to winterize this coach.
On the inside there is one layout option with your lounge/bedroom up front, your galley along the passenger side and your bathroom in the rear. The galley is well equipped with a 3 burner propane stove (one of the largest in its class although there is no induction option), a stainless steel sink, a large compressor refrigerator with a separate freezer, a convection microwave, plenty of storage and a flush mount counter extension. The bathroom is a 3 piece dry bath which means the shower is separate from the rest of the bathroom. This is one of only a few class B vans that boasts a dry bath. In your lounge a pedestal table can be setup and when the cab seats are swiveled around you have seating for 4. But the major attraction in this coach is that there's a slide out here where the sofa is. Just extend out the wall and drop the sofa electrically to convert your lounge into a bedroom. You have 2 interior decor options: Fusion and Quantum.
As far as the exterior detailing: Winnebago has opted for dark tinted, automotive type windows and minimal graphics which is the trend. The polished, stainless steel rocker panel trim is an upgrade that comes directly from the factory and helps to give this coach an automotive look. There are two exterior color options available: Graphite Grey Metallic and Brilliant Silver.
The 70M comes with some nice standard features including a 2.5kw liquid propane generator, a side screen door, whole coach water filtration, 200w of solar on 2019 model years, multiplex wiring with mobile app controls and a large skylight in the lounge. However one of the biggest upgrades which is available on all the other Era floor plans is missing on the 70M and that's the optional Mercedes direct 4WD chassis upgrade.
The 70M comes with a 1 year 15,000 mile coach warranty and no roadside assistance. And far as price the MSRP for the base model 70M is $143k but as of the date of this video I've seen dealer advertised prices for base model Era 70Ms for $98k.
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I have owned this vehicle since October 2018. In the first year, I put on around 25,000 miles. I love it.
As noted by another person, you didn't show or discuss the trunk area. I find it to be quite handy.
I traded in my 2015 Itasca Navion for the Winnebago Era 70M. There are a number of "surprise and delights" with this floor plan.
As far as quality of cabinetry concerns, I had to replace two drawer latches recently.
The wardrobe I use for clothes. The "pantry" is the bank of drawers/cupboard closest to the rear of the vehicle. The door opens left and makes contents easily accessible from the galley. The other cupboard/drawer opens to the right and creates a nice extended bathroom area for clothes and toiletries.
I really do love the bed and bathroom in this vehicle. The mattress is scary comfortable. Even when I am not tired, I don't want to get up. It's that comfortable.
I haven't found a lane assist feature in my vehicle that you mentioned in the video. I also have not met anyone with 100 W solar or an inverter . I've only seen 200W solar.
Another little detail is the rear mounted spare tire. I don't know if folks care that it is not mounted underneath or that it is an extra thing to deal with for gaining access to the garage on the left.
Oh...and a not-so-delight for me was no gravity fill for fresh water.
Thanks for the review!
We have this exact model/year of van. The only difference is we have the darker interior option. Bought it used when it was 2 years old and had all of 2500 miles on it. Now almost up to 20k. The MB part of the van is rock-solid, pleasant to drive, and reasonably fuel efficient for such a large vehicle. We have averaged about 17 MPG. The systems have also held up well, e.g. the Truma Combi. The only issues have been with stuff that Winnebago actually built themselves. The stapled framing has not, of yet, been an issue. Screws pulling out of cabinet doors and so forth have been a constant issue. I now carry an assortment of small screws in my toolbag on trips. A constant minor annoyance but not a trip killer, and easy to fix with slightly bigger screws and a bit of epoxy. We did have a shower leak when we got it that we had somehow missed during the walk thru (we forgot to look UNDER the van after testing the shower) which I had to fix, but that was probably due to improper winterization by the original owner. Oh, and the OEM LP regulator failed not once but twice, and I've replaced it with a non-OEM unit. I also carry a spare.
We have friends who bought a slightly used Leisure Unity that was $50k more and they have had way more, and more expensive to fix, problems. IMO don't buy any type of RV unless you are (a) handy, (b) willing to work on things, (c) willing to spend many hours reading the manual and (d) going to use it enough to justify the pile of cash sitting idle in your driveway. Every RV has very complex systems and a lot of "stuff" packed into a tight space. Mess up on a system and you may have a very bad and expensive experience. Neglect maintenance same thing. Relying on a RV shop to fix all the "little things" that can/will go wrong in such a complex vehicle will be very expensive and time-consuming. The friends with the Unity are not handy, don't like to read the manual, and have to do a 120 mile round trip at $6/gallon now just to get it to a dealer. I've never had ours to a dealer, done every repair myself.
Valuable comment on the stick framing and staple construction. I appreciate this level of analysis...Thank you.
Very welcome!
Great review. I rented one of these Era coaches a few years ago. I was told it was almost brand new and over the course of the 10 days I had it, it gradually fell apart. Screws just falling out of MDF (you could tell someone impacted them in or let them over tighten with the drill), squeaks and rattles while driving, cabinet doors out of alignment. Wouldn’t buy one but would rent again
Once again I like your unbiased reviews and delve “behind the scenes”. The more of your reviews I watch the happier I become with my Leisure Wonder RTB. 😀
Thats a wonderful coach
Given the short amt of time I spend in the bath vs living areas, I'm one who would choose the wet bath to have a dedicated sleeping area. Plus "pantry/wardrobe" is a no as well. Great review tho!
Great review. And I saw a review some time ago of another Winnebago RV (it was probably yours) at a trade show in which the ceiling upholstery was coming down and fixtures were already broken, and you may have mentioned staples then too. I think that level of quality explains why these things only have a one-year warranty. Love the huge bathroom and slideout, but I wouldn’t touch this thing.
What I want is a Pleasure Way RV with this Winnebago bathroom and the Roadtrek electrical system, and I want it for $130k taxes included. 👍👍
Well, a man can dream.
that would be an awesome rv!
@@Ultramobility Agreed. Pleasure Way quality with Roadtrek electrical and underhood generator and from-the-factory automotive windows! I'm in!
Agreed, shame on Winnebago for thinking they can put cheap crap to hide build quality. 1 year warranty on a $100+ coach, what a joke. Way to NOT stand behind your product Winnebago. How about doing it right instead of trying to fool consumers? CEO or upper management should try travelling in one for an extended period of time -then see if they stand behind their name.
Now you’re talking... that would be an awesome built.
Your own vehicle always seems the best of the blend. It feels open and bright.
Is there any reasonably priced that aren’t stuck framed ? Wow I’m impressed with your honest reviews Ty
Hi Neil, thanks for another great review. If I were to spend that much money on an RV, stick framing and cheap staples behind the panels are unacceptable at this price point. Winnebago, really?? Your high end $100k+ RV "appears" beautiful but the build quality just wont last and Winnebago's ONE year warranty says it all. I'm not a fan of the slide out- more things that can break and we all know repairs on a Mercedes coach are not cheap. The slide out not depoyed =no walkway and driver seat cannot extend. Thankfully Winnebago moved the TV, the last model with TV on counter was an epic fail so good they made the adjustment. A 23 foot Class B is just way too much rig for me and parking would be a constant inconvenience. Thanks again Neil. I appreciate quality and this coach doesn't cut the mustard for the long haul.
Cynthia - really glad that you find my videos of value. I try to report things in an unbiased and fair and balanced way. for some people the stick framing and staples won't be a problem and for others it will. my job I guess is to simply report it which most other reviewers here on youtube don't. thanks for watching!
2018 Winnebago Era 170x(70x) Review:
First, I will tell you I love this van. I am writing this essay to hopefully inform people and provide some insights into my experience with this RV, and to aide in your purchasing decisions. Despite the negative parts of the review, This RV has been an incredible experience and my family has had countless memorable experiences, plus it allowed my father to travel with us for the last 5 years of his life. That being said, I feel I have owned and experienced this RV long enough to write a comprehensive review that might aid others in their purchase decision. The first thing I will tell you about considering purchasing one of these or something similar is that things WILL break. Winnebago does not use the highest quality parts on all things. But I will tell you, DO NOT purchase the extended warranty unless you live next to the dealership. The benefit to Winnebago using some cheap parts is that they are cheap to replace and almost everything is fixable yourself or by a basic handy man. And there is a youtube video to teach you how to replace or fix almost anything. For the most part, it has not been worth it to have the warranty because, to travel hours to a dealership and have someone follow you and leave the RV there for 2 months, then get a ride to pick it up, and they don’t even cover all the broken parts for reasons they don’t even have, just isn’t worth it when I can order the part for $60-$100 and change it in 30 min with one screwdriver. My first repair was the water pump died after 2 months. It was clearly a faulty pump cause these pumps are made well and can run dry. I called the pump manufacturer and talked them into mailing an exchange rather than go all the way to dealership. They obliged my request and I changed it out in maybe 30 min and it has never malfunctioned again. BTW, a new pump was only $60 if I had to pay for it. Most serious repairs will have to be done wherever you are and it will never be near a dealership. Example, I filled up with propane at a shady place and they loaded my tank with a lot of oil which blew out my regulator and propane was leaking and had to shut down the tank. I took it to a middle of nowhere repair shop for truckers and he drove out to get the part and fixed it within 2 hours and it was $190. HAD to get fixed immediately because we needed heating system and generator to operate. So clearly warranty work is usually not possible when traveling and dealership appointments usually take 3 months to get…. if I was willing to drive hours to Atlanta to get to the dealership. Clearly anyone would pay the $190 for a 2-hour repair and call it a day. I did attempt to use the warranty once. Big trip around the country in 2021 with a bunch of guys. Window cranks stripped everywhere leaving me to tape widows shut. Sewer line cracked, bathroom fan burnt out, GFI outlet that powers all outlets took a dump. Someone put wet wipes in toilet and destroyed macerator. Almost every cabinet had issues with staying up or broken latch that holds door/cabs shut broke. Electric side of heating system stopped working (30amp GFI under bed died for no reason). Electric bed motor went out of whack. Even BOTH exhaust pipe mounting straps failed for Sprinter and Generator. Had to temp strap up with plumber’s strap. I had finally accumulated enough issues to bring it for a big warranty repair and thought maybe I might get my $7k worth of extended warranty back. Well, first, the warranty company only covers what they decide to cover and most of it is parts only, not install. Long story short on this… Total repair cost at La Mesa was $4,500 and warranty covered all but $2000. They even covered the macerator. But the out of pocket was still huge and it took 3 months. The sewage hose they replaced… they replaced the original 10 foot hose with a 3 foot hose that can’t reach anything and charged $108 (not labor) for the 3 foot hose. I just finally found a Proper 10 foot replacement on amazon for $30 and installed myself. I was getting by with an oversized rigged hose till I finally found the correct size replacement. It was not standard for this RV. They never fixed exhaust pipes. Both La mesa and Mercedes said my repairs were more solid than the original parts. Not so happy about the compliment. My understanding is that the rubberized straps are important for avoiding reverberation noises radiating through the frame. But I haven’t noticed them as of yet. I didn’t push the issue because their straps clearly do not last anyway. The window cranks are a night mare. Use them and they will strip. They cost a fortune to replace at dealership. You can buy cranks at Winnebago parts website for $80 each and a you tube video shows you how to change it in 30 min. there are cheaper Chinese copies that are $20 on ebay and other sites. DO NOT BUY THEM. They will strip immediately. Total scam. The $80 Winnebago part is the only decent replacement and the holes are not tapped. You will need a tapping bit to thread the hole for install. It was not difficult. Take 1 screw to auto parts store and they will get you the right tap. Long story short, Warranty is not worth the money unless you live near dealership. Most repairs cost less than the gas to get there. On the Mercedes side of things, I have had only one problem in 6 years. Throttle calibration system died. Only one year warranty on sprinter so it cost me $2400 to fix. Was a huge pain because it kept putting the RV in limp mode. Other than that, original battery JUST died on me a week ago. Lasted 6 years which is unbelievable. DBL coach batteries died and were replaced a couple years ago. Lasted maybe 4 years and were $400ea to replace at local mechanic’s shop. I have the 4x4 sprinter 3500 turbo diesel and I travel almost all in the mountains and this thing has done stuff you would not believe. Off-roading to cabins in the mountains, turning around at dead end on cliffs, getting out of ditches… this thig has done it all at 24 feet long and its remarkable. It has only been serviced maybe 3 times at Mercedes. At 45k miles and still on original breaks which just got inspected and aren’t even close to needing replacement. On 2nd set of tires which were only $250 each. Always travel with replacement door and cabinet latches. They are plastic and they will break and you either have to pull over and fix it or tape it shut or you can’t drive. If you have kids, they will slam the doors and cabinets and bust the latches. Par for the course I guess. Never try to use bathroom exhaust fan while driving. It will just strip fan blade off motor and blow smell into cabin. The power management system does NOT operate on generator, only on land hookup. So, if you run AC and try to use microwave while driving, be prepared to have to pull over and crawl under RV, remove case cover and reset breaker manually (which you can not find without La-mesa tech telling you exactly where it is). But on that subject.. I called them when it happened and they walked me through every single step of getting it working again. Literally told me to stick my hand down in there and I would feel a breaker and to flip it. Couldn’t see it. But he was right and got me back up and running. Recently my roof top AC blade snapped off and wrecked the entire unit. La-mesa just put in a new upgraded AC that is lower profile, blows harder and colder and is super quiet. Best upgrade ever! Scott at the new la mesa in Davie hooked it up big time. I did not want to deal with the warranty process which would have taken forever and still not cover labor so I just paid it out of pocket. $4k but now there is NO super loud AC and sleeping is wonderful. New AC also has smarter computer the manages the switch settings to avoid blowing GFI. Also new AC is so strong we no longer use Mercedes AC. Next project is to upgrade the Gen from the 2500 to the physically smaller, quieter, more fuel efficient 3600. The ultra quiet 2500 is NOT quiet. That is just bogus info. The newer 3600 is silent from what I have heard and will allow us to microwave and run AC together without blowing circuit breakers. I change gen oil myself now. It takes no time at all and only requires like a cup of oil. Not worth taking to mechanic. I have 720 hours on it and it still runs like a champ. I change the oil every 200 hours. I change oil on Sprinter every 10,000 miles even though it says every 16,000. Even Mercedes dealer will tell you every 10k is a better idea. On my latest trip, it began to drip sewage which got stinky. Turns out the 2 rubber couplers holding a pipe in had rotted. I got 2 new 3 inch couplers at hardware store and changed myself. Was messy but repair was easy and any plumber could fix easily. Also, recently all the writing is peeling off the light buttons. The warranty wont replace them and they cost over $100 each. I just replaced the main panel and the rear panel. still have to replace the galley light switch panel and the awning control panel. They just look like nameless white buttons now. So, I hope you appreciate this review. Anyone dropping $200k+ on an RV should have a realistic idea of what to expect and the work involved. Clearly other manufactures make higher quality products but I am still very happy with my Winnebago Era 170x/70x.
after a year of studying class B's and as much as I love this Rig... It is Too BIg & I do not have enough stuff to fill it either - a very nice Rig for 2 people. * Pleasure way and the Travato 59g seem to be better suited for me. It is a balancing game of compromises, as no Rig is perfect. :)
100% agree! Thanks for the heads-up on the staples & sticks.
Agreed. Something with MSRP almost $150K should have cheaply/poorly built cabinets
I bought a 2016 Winnebago ERA 70XL and had nothing but build quality issues the first 8 months. LED lights failed many times, faucet fell out of the galley sink, generator issues, propane issues, too many to name. I had to replace the macerator hose after 1 year of use. The staple to trim wood failed in a couple of places. The MB Sprinter chassis was great. Plenty of power and great fuel economy. The wet bath was ok. I traded it in March 2018 for a THOR Siesta 24 SS on the same MB Sprinter chassis. Only a few minor issues that were repaired quickly. What a difference in technology in just 2 years. I now have a dry bath, solar power, more room to sleep 5 with two slide outs. I would not recommend Winnebago at this point. Their customer service was lousy. Thor customer service has been great.
Paul Wadley - I have a similar history. My Winnebago had dozens of plumbing and electrical problems, then flooring issues because of the water damage. Finding pipes that came apart because they were not sealed, electrical wires loosened by driving vibrations, all on a new coach scared me. Winnebago fixed a few things, but refused to redo the plumbing on the entire unit because there had only been eleven pipe separation failures. That was on my dime, and even though I provided them with photos of the pipes I found without any sealant or glue (acid? That blue stuff). The electrical problems were also due to rushed installation, again some warranty repairs but the refit was at my expense. I sold it and never looked back. So many ruined vacations.
Okay I get it with the quality issues. But the trade makes only sense to you. One thing is a stealthy, discreet van the other thing an ugly monstrous semi-integrated camping cabin.
Looked at one of these at an RV dealership. There was an awful lot of broken things in it, like that fold up counter extension. For the price of this thing, I would avoid it. It's pretty, but as you said, all glossy front with problems lurking behind ready to make your 2 year old expensive RV a maintenance nightmare.
Dry bath is like a dream in a van
I agree with you, the dry bath is a saver, but does not overcome the poor building quality of the cabinets.
I disagree because you can always have them fixed with a good carpenter when they start to show wear and tear but where in the hell will you be able to find a dry bath? I see this van for a couple who travels cross country for vacations, visiting relatives or events but not campers.
@@evamaria644 I absolutely agree with you, Marie. Cabinets are easy to repair. Now, if those cheap cabinets are an indication of other build quality issues, then that of course would be cause for concern.
all the cabinets are made of particle board. The screws strip out due to vibration and the screw holes turn into puvlerized sawdust. VERY bad
great intro and thank you for showing us the bed put together. I wonder if you ever have a bed with safety pillows, for grandchildren at the age of 4. I have never seen a childs bed on any of these vans or a "pillow guard" bed for children
Just stumbled across your channel (in my "recomendeds"), and watched a few of your reviews. Very surprised (and very pleased) to see that you are actually *reviewing* these RV's and not just simply listing all their features and then saying that they are all wonderful (as I am seeing so many other RV "reviewers" do). Subscribed, please keep up the good work!
Make the sink in the bathroom a fold-down and put in a dirty laundry hamper and a washer dryer single combo
Such an honest review, thank you!
and thank you for watching R Anthony!
For 2019 build the lack of lithium batteries and heavy duty inverters is probably not something I would consider. Running everything of battery power is much more convenient in the long run. Multiple charging options are also important factor. Electronic cooking, heating, lighting and cooling is the way of the future in modern travel vans.
Thank you! Never would have thought about that. :-)
Thank you for the review. Will be watching for more..seems the engineer designed for eye candy, which does get your attention. Then getting to the nuts and bolts and others experience's giving the real story, has changed my mind for this brand. Appreciate all the info.
Really great review Neil.....I’m well aware of winnebagos lack of quality....I want to love this but I can’t.we bought a travato 59k about 8 months ago and good thing Annie is handy because we’ve had to repair countless things ourselves.....refrigerator issues twice......awning repaired...the drawers had to be rebuilt....the generator had issues just to name a few .....also had to put insulation in all over because it has none.maybe after we fix everything I can love it again but I don’t think Winnebago will be in any future coach we buy....and as a couple of grannies new to the rv world we always thought Winnebago was a good name...once everything is repaired I think we will have a good rv but it has been way more work than expected.not sure what our next move will be....considering a coach house platinum 2 .i really wish you would review them as a b plus.keep up the good work ! Ruth
How disappointing. You put down 6 figures only to be strapped with repair costs on a new rv. Winnebago should be ashamed.
The Leisure Travel Vans in my opinion is the best Class B van. I have seen every Class B out there and they win with the best modern design. The Unity with the Murphy Bed slide out is my favorite. You can also pick from many different design builds. Their Vans are going to set you back $150,000. Not cheap but if you have the funds I would buy a Leisure Travel Van. They also have a great dry bath. Their build quality is top notch
thanks for sharing your thoughts dphotos. hope to see you in an LTV soon if you're not already in one!
I would have to agree with your conclusion to consider purchasing this. If anything, the dry bath is possibly very much worth the lack of quality in the cabinetry. And you can always replace that in the future.
Nice video. Maybe B isn't for us. C are more home like.
So many people are going to buy this rig and after a few trips will realize their mistake . Hopefully your review will help them . Everyone purchasing any kind of RV needs to get the salesman away and pretend they are actually using the van .Building the bed and laying in it to simulate sleeping etc... I love how you show the rig warts and all .
Agree! A dry bath is a must in my opinion.
Great video!
Chinook bayside has a dry bath. I would LOVE to see a review on the bayside. Please consider
Free Spirit from LTV has a slideout too & is way better than winebago! Nice review ,keep the good work you you do
yep it was discontinued a few years ago. it was the free spirit ss and it was the ORIGINAL! Winnebago "borrowed" heavily from it when LTV exited the class b segment in 2014.
I wish they still made the Free Spirit.
The thing about Winnebago, is that they are a large production RV maker. From their smallest Class B to their luxurious $450,000 Horizon Class A, every single one of them (and I have looked, at RV shows) have a lot of staples. Not only in the cabinetry, but in wall paneling as well... the staples covered by a thin decorative vertical strip. But it's relative. To get a quality-built Class A, you may pay double, or even three times, what the Winnebago costs. For Class B's, to have every feature you want, you need to go to Advanced RV and custom-order your own. But it will cost double the price of a new Winnebago Era.
new boldt doesn't use staples! there were listening to us!
Excellent HONEST review!!!!!!!!!
Looks like a longer, cheaper version of Leisure Travel Van’s 2016 Sprint SS. Having a Winnebago with cupboard problems.
Great review. Love the floor plan, but I’ll pass up on the staple and glue concept.
good call.
What do you mean?
Dry bath!!!! Awesome!!!!
I like the floor plan of the model you reviewed here but I would change a lot still. With the bathroom in the rear I wish they would have had huge rear windows in the back just makes those tiny RV bathrooms less claustrophobic when the door is shut. In the front I prefer two forward facing captains chairs or if there is a couch for it to be a little wider, enough to lay down on. Unity has a cool dual captain chairs with a Murphy that folds down over them. And I think the captains chairs face sideways like the couch but they can rotate or swivel. As far as the middle I would like to see more open space. I like it when the driver can easily see to the back of the RV on both sides. The kitchen side is good but the dresser and frig block that view..
Great review. Your addressing the finer points of the RV were very helpful. Would have liked to address any other Winnebago RV on a sprinter chassis with cabinets not stapled - a issue you addressed.
I believe all winnebago era's utilize stick framing and staples.
Amazingly thorough review. It’s like I was there. Great review of size details and manufacturing process. Great advise
Another HONEST review! Thank you! Any other comments re noise while driving? I've heard a slide out can be noisy. Also that they can leak rainwater inside unless there is a "tent" over the slide when extended.
Era owner following problems
1. three water leaks one serious
2. cabinet doors are pressed pulp, tend to fly
open and screws strip out
3. excellent bathroom
4. screen on main door fell apart can't be fixed
5. rear storage has cheap walls, screws stripped out under weight of a hose
6. stitching split on bed after 6 months
7. very nice paint
8. 18 mpg good driver
Note a Kenwood receiver wil fit in dash with Metra kit
Agree with your review but for me it is an avoid because of the stick building.
Peter - Stick built means a wood frame and supports. This is a metal framed vehicle with metal frame supports. The cabinets are wood... is that what you are referring to?
That galley countertop is a good use of space.
Thanks Neil another honest review
Great review! Your honesty was refreshing and much needed.
What a sad thing for this RV frontrunner manufacturer to use shoddy build techniques. When they charge $700 for a ladder, which is more than the Pentagon pays, and 1200 for a roof rack, they should build sturdy cabinets!
This is why I want to build my own van. Toilet or not, I want quality in every single detail. No need to compromise, pay much more, and get much less.
glad that you appreciate my honesty. not everyone does - especially the rv manufacturers ;-)
Neal,
We love your work. Your approach to reviewing would be welcomed for the class “C” world as well. The acknowledgement of “Stick and Staple” construction is helpful to us and should be a red flag to Winnebago.
Thank you,
The Malmberg's
Love the dry bath and the slide.
Hi! I notice this video is five years old now. I was wondering if you or anyone else could comment on how well this model has held up over time. Thanks.
i don’t think they make this model any more but if any one has one maybe they can comment on how well it has held up.
Terrific review
I notice in nearly all such reviews, the seating for "taller" people is mentioned. However, what about us shorter, older folks?? I've noticed that most construction is designed for men drivers. 5'2" is pretty much average for older women.
Great review. But is there a tutorial l on the working components in the RV?? More detailed info about the control panel. The manuals are confusing it best. I didn't know if winnebago had a complete delete walkthrough and usage of all the different features and functions. Thanks...JR
Great Video. I agree completely.....while I love the dry bath and layout.....I'm inclined to pass because of the build quality. No place for staple and stick build. Looks great out of the box but doubtful to hold up long term. Thanks again.
Very helpful. Especially knowing about stick/frame construction. I'd really love a 24 or 25 ft with a queen size murphy bed in the rear and a slide for the galley/lounge area. But for now I'll stay with my 31' Flair.
This is a very thorough review. Thanks
you're welcome! thanks for watching!
Can you do a review on the Arriva?
It looks like a leak on the floor from the slide @6:58. Slides can be weather nightmares. And if I'm going with a class B, it is to have the metal shell of a van around me. No fiberglass shell please!
0:41 - vital to include the rating standard for the televisions screen on the layout plan of your new camper.
Winnebago's to me are the best ok I agrees stick framing is not a great foundation, but I can tell you Winnebago stands behind what they make better anyone else (imo) they were old school when I was a kid in the 70's lol so they know what they are doing. With that said im not sure why you would give up so much for a dry bath when a wet baths today give you plenty of room to stand ok its not home but you don't have to sit on the john to shower anymore ! thanks
12:00 = HAVE TO HAVE THE SLIDE OUT TO DROP THE BED... SO PASSING CARS CAN SLAM INTO YOU???
I asked about the pure 3 directed at a LARGE Winnebago dealer. Note they mentioned View and not ERA in their reply. This question was from a Travato pure 3 GL/KL video:
"Thank you. Are there plans to move this technology over to the Mercedes platform? Specifically the ERA and Revel platforms.
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Good morning! Thanks for your note... there are no plans to move this into View or Revel at the current time. Over time as technology prices drive down over a longer term horizon, this could be more manageable in terms of cost."
It’s a shame they have such poor build quality, I think your rating is spot on however as it is a unique layout that may be perfect for some. I am not crazy about the lack of space when the slide is in, eliminating the side door access. Also don’t like the potential issues from having a slide, one more failure point and leaks. One of the reasons I like class B rigs is smart space utilization without the hassle of slides.
Thank you so much as usual for a great review! We're one of those couples who are constantly debating the wet vs. dry bath issue in Class B's! The "boss" has a lot of influence with her relatively stubborn opinion,... please don't tell her I'm outing her!! ;-)..., with her love of a dry bath!! Me, on the other hand, can go in either direction. I think our dream would be to somehow set up a dry bath as in the Pleasure-Way XLTD within one of these standard width rigs... Not sure if this is possible, but hey!, I can dream!! Cheers to your wonderful videos!!
I love the concept or a dry bath but for me I never use the shower. maybe if I had a dry bath I would use the shower... thanks for sharing!
Perry,
Check out the Coach House Arriva. Twin beds like the PW XLTD, a dry bath in back and build quality far beyond Winnebago.
@@christophermack6422 Thank you sir! I'll certainly check the Arrival out!
Keep in mind that showering without hookups is... interesting. I’ve only used two wet baths. 1. Cramped, and moving around was a lesson in patience, just not fun. 2. There was a larger standing area and a very small but functional sink. The extra space made showering as easy as any dry bath shower.
I loved this review, very classy and very professional! This was top notch. This is like the Motortrend of RVs! Very well done!
For you women who still have menstrual cycles, this is a game-changer especially if your menstrual is heavy! MEN JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND why we refuse to go to certain places or stay long hours at an event during that time of the month. A man who considers his woman's need would buy this van or one like it.
I personally hate the bed I would like it better if they could have made the bed sideways, therefore, the bed could be down without the slide. I would gladly give up the stove for that, which I don't think many people use unless they're camping. I see this van for someone like me who rather not be bothered with planes and drive to a meet in another state or cross country. I like being self-contained, therefore, a bathroom is very important to be.
I'd rather get permission to pull into a companies parking area when I arrive and sleep there and not have to worry about traffic or hotel shutters to get me to a meeting on time especially in California and New York or Atlanta for that matter. I'd rather bring a folding table and chairs with me and open that in the lounge area for entertaining rather than have guest sat on that uncomfortable couch.
I don't know why they can't do it like Leisure way murphy bed. I'd rather have a fold-down desk built into my murphy bed so I can work while someone else is driving. Also, as a stand-alone murphy bed, it could easily substitute for a filming area for CZcamsrs, especially if they use a green screen with the slide-out it's much easier to film inside the van.
The weather doesn't always agree with us so should we have to forgo a filming segment because of the weather, no we substitute it with green screen. I think people have to keep in mind that this is a vehicle and vehicles shakes and rattles as years go on. For most people, this isn't their home. I think you should test drive the vehicle on the highway and if it is noisy and rattling then you shouldn't buy it but if not then consider it as a regular vehicle with upkeep you will have to maintain at some point down the line.
really interesting and valid points in this comment Marie Evans. Thanks for sharing those thoughts with me and others!
@@Ultramobility Thank you, do you have a link to the other vehicle you mentioned in the video because I can't find it perhaps, I'm spelling it wrong and thank you for the video.
Awesome, I didn’t know they had a van with a slide out option. I wonder of they have a slide out that will fit in a parking spot
That couch is a dealbreaker for me
Its comfortable lol Its like he was trying to make it look not comfortable. lol
Once they add the lithium option available in the Travato, I'd be interested.
hopefully they will but no word yet.
Word thats awesome
On every Winnebago I have viewed there are a lot of stains on the floor.
Love your honesty!
Always!
The View is fab you got it wright
So well done!
Nice review Neil, like always 👍🏽😁👍🏽😁
I've always felt if you need a slide out, you are starting with a unit that is way too small for you to begin with.
Great review!
Staples & stick framing is such a disappointment. The rear bath should be available more than they are. Thanks for the review!
I wish it was clearer why you would avoid this model? Is it solely becuase the cabinets have staples instead of screws? Seriously? I understand screws in solid wood would have been a better choice. Or does the 4x4 mean that much to you? I don't understand why only the "bathroom" saves it as a model to considered? Sincerely appreciate the valuable info you presented but a little bit more clarification on why you would avoid it would have been even more helpful? Thanks!
I wish we could get you to do some Class A gas reviews, of Tiffin Allegro Open Roads and Newmar Canyon Stars. How about it?
I agree. Would love to hear about some small Class A rigs, and the pros and cons vs. similar size Class B+/C
Hello, sir. Just watched your video and loved it. Found it very informative. We’ve just started our research about rv’s and am leaning toward the Sprinter but we’re also exploring class c rv’s. So, do u have a video on the Coachman 32’ Leprechaun ? I saw one not too long ago and kinda liked it. If not, could I plz do one. We’re using your videos as part of our research process.
Glad it was helpful!
Did Winnebago have problems with this rig...haven’t seen anyone emulating the slideout.
A thoroughly honest review. A breath of fresh air and we thank you. We currently own a 2018 Roadtrek and are interested in trading for something with a slide that is well though out. This is not. The dry bath is a big plus but for us it is the only plus.We really enjoyed your review and we thank you. Niki and Jack
why does not winnebago make the 25 ft Reyo anymore that was one of the RV I was interested in and liked was it not a well liked RUV? was it a poorly made RUV and people just didn't like it?..I cant find any answer to these question. Our local dealer here in Fairfield Ca is not much help, actually in VV, and the other dealers want to sell me a class B which is to overpriced for me. thanks for your help.
Surprised they'd build such a cramped, cost-cutting design on that chassis
Yep, only "Consider" errr...."considering" the sticks & staples construction and the meager 1 year warranty. If they're cutting corners on the build quality you can see, it makes you wonder where else they're doing it.
HI. Ive been Following your videos, as Ive been immersing myself in an RV education, and buying process. Thanks so much for what you do.
Ive have question as what the difference might be between the 70M and a 170 M model that I have found. A 2018
ask away pamela. the winnebago 70m is the same as the 170m. winnebago made a 70c which was the precursor to the 70m and also had the slideout but it had a few things that are different particularly the way the bed came down.
@@Ultramobility ...I assume it didnt improve the tightness at the entryway ;)
A dealer just returned my call in regards to their $101,999 asking. As I had just watched your negotiating video, the conversation was "classic". In my case, I never gave him my number. Sounds like their holdover may remain on the lot :)
hold out for sub $100k pricing!
total novice but are there mechanicals that can be removed in the rear so that you could put an opening like the coachman arriva for pass through?
Good reporting!
thank you
Hey Neil great as always, but you said the arriva by coach house was the only other class b with dry bath
but you did a review i thought on the ltv unity that also have a dry bath along with the flex so not sure what you meant.....please let us know about all the class b's with dry bath in the comment reply.....thanks again
Yep you’re right I should’ve clarified that I meant class B camper vans. There are many classes and class B plus RVs and most of them have dry baths.
Just wondering how does it compare to the passage by Midwest .great video
not show us about king bed yet oh well, but the wrong place pic of RV map not same
Terrible slideout placement.. i love the van but disappointing in the space to walk and the drivers seat when slideout in.. it needs to be moved or switched with the kitchen side. Love the bathroom
Unity offers a slide.
Are there other 4x4/Off-road Class B comparable to the Winnebago Revel? Is there something bigger than the Revel in the realm of middle-class people (not like the ones that cost $250K-$1M)
Great review. What do you see when you open the rear doors? Is there storage space of any kind?
yes I realized too late that I should have shown that. There's a bit of standup storage. not much. there's a Rubbermaid rack system for hanging stuff.
@@Ultramobility Thanks Neil. I've tried to find a good review of the coach house. Mostly just photos tours. Thanks
Nope. No slides for me. Just asking for problems especially with build issues and short warranty
yep.
The sliding design is not that great and a inconvenience if you a doing a lot of traveling with multiple stops every day. That said if you plan to stay in one location for more then a few days or even a week long stop I see no problem.
I Have a 2016 winnebago 170X with 20k miles on it and its falling apart piece by piece, the cheap wood construction is awful. The overhead bin broke and fell on my head when I was driving on the highway!(super dangerous).It seems like everything is just slapped together cheaply. My coach has been repaired over 15 times in the last 2 years and we only use it for road trips, no camping. Think twice before you buy a Winnebago ERA.
Thanks
Neil, Correct me if I'm wrong, but are "fusion" and quantum" Leisure Travel Vans color designations? Is this a joint project or subsidiary vehicle? Yes curious, the 70M looks a lot like the Unity Murphy bed model.
I don't think so? LTV has "Bianco White and Grey" for cabinets and "Fog", "Pebble" and "Coal" for upholstery...
@@Ultramobility Of course you're right, I've been binge watching so much that all of the manufactures and models are blurring together! Thank you for your response and clarification.