Secretly The Best Italian Nation For Blobbing - EU4 1.35 Savoy Guide
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- This is a guide for Savoy in Europa Universalis IV.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Opening moves
04:58 First wars
07:38 The Shadow Kingdom
09:32 Weakening Venice
10:08 Conquering Genoa and Sardinia
12:43 Burgundian Inheritance
16:02 Conquering Florence
18:11 Reconquering Sicily and getting Naples
19:36 Building a second London
22:48 Conquering Rome
24:01 What to do next and forming Italy - Hry
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I hate how accurate you are
(about 2 mins in): Oh, so THAT’S why AI Savoy nearly always ends up excommunicated near the start of the game
bit of a recommendation for who isn't afraid of trying the same thing with an OPM; saluzzo is a really fun way to form Sardinia Piedmont aswel and they have some pretty dang good national ideas including starting with -15 ae impact and 10% inf combat and a bit later in the ideas 10% morale and15% movement speed.
recommended start is either restarting until you can use burgundy to beat up savoy.. or just tough it out; you should be able to get allies against savoy.
I had an incredible game as savoy where I got the burgundies succession AND randomly pu on Poland in 1485, after a succession war against Hungary I managed to catch Austria in a war against the ottomans, and allied a few electors, Austria was allied to the rest, and dismantled the hre
I love Savoy. The first time I formed the Roman Empire was starting with Savoy, very fun game
I still support the Cyprus into France run, however, since I’ve done it myself I think maybe I gotta start suggesting some other nations, for this one I gotta suggest the palatinate, it’s got an incredibly dynamic start and is one of the best choices for forming Germany. Start by rivaling Mainz, Ansbach, and wurzburg, conquer aschaffenbrug and humiliate them, then conquer wurzburg and fulda, stealing bamberg for yourself, who you’ll be able to integrate in 1454 regardless of when you get them, and then kill ansbach, taking Bayreuth to complete the road to amberg mission, and either taking ansbach, leaving it for later, or vassalizing them if they have cores in ingolstadt and ingolstadt is not already under pu. You’ll be easily able to score alliances with Austria and burgundy, and I suggest allying a couple of other electors so you can complete the crown of Bohemia mission and pu them, after puing Bohemia and maintaining atleast one elector alliance you should be able to keep emperorship until ae becomes too much or you decide to convert (I recommend staying catholic regardless of the historical flavor of reformed in the palatinate) can do a great hre game or Germany game as you border France and can score huge alliances. For the Germany path I recommend espionage ideas and for hre I recommend diplo first, both picking up innovative, religious for the second idea groups, and the rest is up to you, quantity if you aren’t emperor, offensive or quality if you are etc.
Oh, btw, originally I wanted to make guide for Bavaria starting as Palatinate. It's easy to culture shift to Bavarian, and annex whole Bavaria without making unnecessary PUs (unlike other Bavarians) + you can get Bohemia.
Montferrat is a mighty start in Italy as well. Savoy has a high likelyhood of being rivalled by Burgundy and Austria which means a guaranteed chance to be the largest royal marriage partner of Burgundy in 1444 as well as being allied to the Emperor at game start. Forming Sardinia Piedmont for the missions while keeping the starting national ideas means you can have Byzantium as your end game tag as well (So long as you can maintain your weak Palaiologos dynasty).
Fun video. Haven't played in Italy myself, but it seems like a fun challenge.
It is surely a good guide for less experienced players, but if you more experienced, you can play a bit differently at the beginning.
1. Support pope Felix V, the 10% moral are huge and you can get rid of the excommunication by buying indulgences instantly.
2. Dont make Geneva a march, you can keep them loyal by developing their lands or placating the ruler and it will save you a couple of years to integrate them.
I want to see this game go even later-loved watching this video
Administrative efficiency is different from ccr. Ccr reduces coring time and mana cost. While the former reduces warscore cost and mana cost.
makes ccr more important
Yup, my mistake, confused the terms. Though admin efficiency should reduce coring time, it's influenced by any coring cost reductions, if I'm not mistaken.
@@CoolBonobo unfortunately admin efficiency does not do that
The thing I dont like about getting Burgundy is the damn " oh, no, Dutch revolt " -> * move capital to netherlands * being the easiest way to avoid problems, it feels so easy
Agree, but I guess it's necessary to not trigger Dutch Revolt in already Dutch nations, otherwise they would fix it.
I turned their provinces into states and accepted the Dutch cultures in my current game as someone had suggested you do in the forums I got no revolts and instead my income and manpower skyrocketed
I love that Savoy just accidently become HRE. The kings of German are now also the kings of Italy haha.
Great video bro
It might be worth it to do a little crusading detour and conquer Cyprus and the holy land. The mission that gives you claims on Cyprus also gives you permanent +2 missionary strength, but you need to flip protestant/reformed or have the Pope like you.
2:03 You shouldn't be afraid to go with the Anti-Pope option, as you can simply buy an indulgence to remove your excommunication. In return, the modifier you get for morale (+10%) is quite good, and will last until your ruler's death.
Interesting, I thought the event excommunicates you no matter what. Thanks for the advice!
It does... but buying an indulgence removes any excommunication you have; so gaming the system by declaring for the Anti-Pope and then immediately buying an indulgence for "forgiveness" works.
Personally when I play savoy, I'd never ally burgundy. Instead take even one province and culture switch to burgundian culture for their 1st reform (I don't like burgundian inheritance, feels cheaty for me). With that reform You get +2 diplo relations. +1 from national ideas, +1 diplomatic +2 merc/diplo policy, +2 from strong duchies.
12 diplo relations in early game. Play as HRE alternative with vassal swarm, PU master or diplomatic hegemon that can ally everyone :D
Id go after Provence first before France and Burgundy partition it between them, which usually happens much sooner than in this playthrough. Aix is a really influencial province in the Genoa trade node you want for yourself. Much more valuable for the long run than a temporary alliance with France which will break later on anyways. You can also feed your ally Burgundy the provencial lands in Lorraine to connect it.
Spending your AE outside the HRE at the start is also more efficient cause conquering in Italy will cost far less AE once it drops out of the HRE.
True, depends on the game though. Sometimes France can interfere with your plans by allying Genoa/Aragon, in such cases it's better to save the alliance to not fight France early on, it's possible to conquer Provence later. Though it's true that if the opportunity presents, there is no reason to not conquer Provence
@@CoolBonobo Fair enough. That makes sense.
My next challenge in EU4 is a WC/1Faith. I’ve been trying a mix of things and kinda settled on doing an Italy-Roman Empire WC. After trying Florence and Naples, getting to 1500 and questioning the rest, I gave Savoyna to and have been having quite a game.
Large Burgundian Inheritance, trouncing Austria to keep the lowlands. Succession War for France. I have Byz and Bulgaria, moving in to the Mamluks. Only need Roma to form Italy, but waiting for the Admin Efficieny from missions. I got de Trastamara on my throne and missed a chance to claim Spain, but will do so the next opportunity. All of this before 1530.
Saluzzo is good for this kind of campaign, because of its AE reduction in ideas. If you stack it you can conquer a tremendous amount of land without coalitions.
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Burgundy gets permaclaims on switzerland after integrating nevers so they might break the alliance... this offcourse has to happen to me
Yeah, it's a little bit luck dependent, but mostly it should be fine. It's impossible to predict how AI behaves unfortunately, even with claims they might not break alliance.
I also like Milan to Sardinia Piedmont to Italy (or Germany)
Yeah, Sardinia Piedmont is great to form as ANY nation nearby, its mission tree is really good for permanent bonuses
I love ur accent bro where u from?
Ukraine
reason I belive that you didn't get the debuff is due to the fact you own florence I belive.
I rember seeing somthing about needing some italian citys to not get the debuff
Maybe they've changed that, but previously it was tied to your tag and religion, not provinces you own.
ur hre emperor, no rome debuffs
not how that works
i think if you had more than 25% in the war against saluzzo, then they wouldn't be able to call in burgundy even if you ended the war against milan first
I think that still happened once with me, despite warscore part. Not 100% sure, but better to not risk it.
The best Italian nation now (after Domination especially) is Savoy-flip French culture (with mission)-kill France-become France-unite Italy.
You cannot form Italy since France is an end game tag.
dont swap to french culture from mission, just unite italy and eat france normally then form france, so you can blob faster in italy without culture ae penalty. works better because there are only a few french culture nations besides france
or you can go full schizo mode and form england -> angevin with skipping france formation since you can pu france and go for england
I mean... makes sense. They did it historically...
:)
Naples is fastest to unify Italy
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Secretly 😂 , nice joke )
Well, not really secretly, but Savoy (not Sardinia-Piedmont) is criminally underrated. Milan, Florence, Papal State, and Naples are a lot more popular to unify Italy.
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